49ers extend QB Smith's contract (1 Viewer)

[Sigmund Bloom]

Under contract through 2010 now

Hmmm... I remember when the Texans committed to David Carr after new offensive guru Gary Kubiak was coming to town following a string of bad OCs. Now its playing out with Martz and Smith. Any reason to think Martz will be more successful with Smith than Kubiak was with Carr?

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Under contract through 2010 now

Hmmm... I remember when the Texans committed to David Carr after new offensive guru Gary Kubiak was coming to town following a string of bad OCs. Now its playing out with Martz and Smith. Any reason to think Martz will be more successful with Smith than Kubiak was with Carr?

Not a great analogy- two different QB's, two different coaches, two different systems. Carr simply never improved from his second year.

 

[Junta]

Under contract through 2010 now

Hmmm... I remember when the Texans committed to David Carr after new offensive guru Gary Kubiak was coming to town following a string of bad OCs. Now its playing out with Martz and Smith. Any reason to think Martz will be more successful with Smith than Kubiak was with Carr?

Not a great analogy- two different QB's, two different coaches, two different systems. Carr simply never improved from his second year.

Wasn't it going to cost the 49ers same either way? Would not have made sense to pay him and cast off without at least seeing how he competes for job under Martz. They are playing it up to some sort of committment but it really doesn't mean much other than he gets one last chance

 

[JAA]

Smith was a Spread guy in college. Martz isnt a WCO guy. Not sure where Smith's career is headed, and yes I own him in at least 1 dynasty league

 

[garyd]

Under contract through 2010 now

Hmmm... I remember when the Texans committed to David Carr after new offensive guru Gary Kubiak was coming to town following a string of bad OCs. Now its playing out with Martz and Smith. Any reason to think Martz will be more successful with Smith than Kubiak was with Carr?

Not a great analogy- two different QB's, two different coaches, two different systems. Carr simply never improved from his second year.

Ummm...it's a perfect analogy. Of course they are different QB's, coaches and systems. But the organizational situations they were/are in are exactly the same - number 1 overall draft picks who disappointed in the first few years, then offensive gurus are brought in to rehabilitate their performance and significant financial commitments were/are made to both QBs BEFORE the results of the rehabilitation were/are known. We now know the ultimate results of Carr's situation - failure. The question is what will happen in Smith's case? Unfortunately I think it will not end well...doesn't seem like either party is a good fit for the other.

 

[Banger]

Under contract through 2010 now

Hmmm... I remember when the Texans committed to David Carr after new offensive guru Gary Kubiak was coming to town following a string of bad OCs. Now its playing out with Martz and Smith. Any reason to think Martz will be more successful with Smith than Kubiak was with Carr?

No. Smith will be out by midseason, either by injury or due to his continued poor play.

 

[derek19]

Martz turned a bagger into a superbowl champion so I guess anything is possible...

 

[mcd]

I always hate when a QB is drafted, with talk that it will take a few years to develop, & then the team gives up on him halfway through the process. Smith was showing good progress under Norv Turner & was set back when Turner left at the last second to Coach the Chargers. Smith is still an extremely young QB who has had to work in a terribly conservative system. Who knows if Martz can turn him around again, but I certainly wouldn't hold last season against Smith. My personal opinion was that Smith never did have the talent that most #1 picks have, but he is still the youngest starting QB in the league & could develop into a nice starter.

 

[Max Power]

Smith was a Spread guy in college. Martz isnt a WCO guy. Not sure where Smith's career is headed, and yes I own him in at least 1 dynasty league

Don't you need WRs with Talent to run the spread?

 

[jurb26]

As a Smith owner in one dynasty league I'm happy about the signing and certainly not ready to dig his grave just yet. However, I'm still left asking myself who this guy is supposed to throw the ball to?

 

[derek19]

As a Smith owner in one dynasty league I'm happy about the signing and certainly not ready to dig his grave just yet. However, I'm still left asking myself who this guy is supposed to throw the ball to?

As of right now they have Bruce, Battle, djax, Jason Hill, Ashley Lelie. There are some rumors Antonio Bryant wants to return to the 49ers.

 

[gianmarco]

As a Smith owner in one dynasty league I'm happy about the signing and certainly not ready to dig his grave just yet. However, I'm still left asking myself who this guy is supposed to throw the ball to?

As of right now they have Bruce, Battle, djax, Jason Hill, Ashley Lelie. There are some rumors Antonio Bryant wants to return to the 49ers.

Add Gore and Davis, probably the top 2 targets over all those WR's.

 

[Max Power]

As a Smith owner in one dynasty league I'm happy about the signing and certainly not ready to dig his grave just yet. However, I'm still left asking myself who this guy is supposed to throw the ball to?

As of right now they have Bruce, Battle, djax, Jason Hill, Ashley Lelie. There are some rumors Antonio Bryant wants to return to the 49ers.

Are you happy with that corps?

 

[Max Power]

As a Smith owner in one dynasty league I'm happy about the signing and certainly not ready to dig his grave just yet. However, I'm still left asking myself who this guy is supposed to throw the ball to?

As of right now they have Bruce, Battle, djax, Jason Hill, Ashley Lelie. There are some rumors Antonio Bryant wants to return to the 49ers.

Add Gore and Davis, probably the top 2 targets over all those WR's.

Personally I'd wait to see how Davis gets used before I get too excited... I'm sure Martz is smart enough to get Davis involved, but he can also be very hard headed and might not want to alter the offense.

 

[Tommy Collins]

Shaun Smith >>>>> Alex Smith

 

[Mr. Peterson]

All this talk about A.Smith and nothing about S.Hill. I have heard reports that he will get a fair chance to compete for the job. He looked much better than A.Smith ever did in essentially his first year getting a chance.

Will the job automatically go to Smith because of his 1.1 contract? Or could Smith actually outplay Hill and get his job back?

 

[Max Power]

All this talk about A.Smith and nothing about S.Hill. I have heard reports that he will get a fair chance to compete for the job. He looked much better than A.Smith ever did in essentially his first year getting a chance.

Will the job automatically go to Smith because of his 1.1 contract? Or could Smith actually outplay Hill and get his job back?

I think so. If anything GM's hate to admit they were wrong with 1.01

 

[MAC_32]

Shaun Smith >>>>> Alex Smith

What does the Browns' starting NT have to do with Alex Smith?

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Shaun Smith >>>>> Alex Smith

What does the Browns' starting NT have to do with Alex Smith?

I think he meant Shaun Hill.Edit to add that I know you already knew that....

 

[Blackjacks]

Shaun Smith >>>>> Alex Smith

I don't know about Shaun Smith but I do like Shaun Hill>>>>>Alex Smith

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Shaun Smith >>>>> Alex Smith

I don't know about Shaun Smith but I do like Shaun Hill>>>>>Alex Smith

See, that's what I mean. Alot of people agree that Hill looks to be a much better QB that Smith yet it seems like people are giving into the thought the job will be Smith's to lose.Why's that? I thought Hill looked fantastic.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Passing yards by QBs through age 23:

1	Drew Bledsoe		  10556 2	Peyton Manning		 7874 3	Dan Marino			 7294 4	Fran Tarkenton		 6903 5	Joe Namath			 5599 6	Bernie Kosar		   5432 7	Norm Snead			 5263 8	Ben Roethlisberger	 5006 9	Alex Smith			 467910   Bob Griese			 4478

Four HOFers, a fifth HOFer five years after he retires, a SB champ that might make the HOF, two four-time Pro Bowlers, Bernie Kosar and Alex Smith.

 

[Raider Nation]

Passing yards by QBs through age 23:

1	Drew Bledsoe		  10556  2	Peyton Manning		 7874  3	Dan Marino			 7294  4	Fran Tarkenton		 6903  5	Joe Namath			 5599  6	Bernie Kosar		   5432  7	Norm Snead			 5263  8	Ben Roethlisberger	 5006  9	Alex Smith			 4679 10	Bob Griese			 4478

Four HOFers, a fifth HOFer five years after he retires, a SB champ that might make the HOF, two four-time Pro Bowlers, Bernie Kosar and Alex Smith.

And with career totals of 19 TDs & 31 INTs so far, Smith is on pace to mirror Namath's HoF credentials.

 

[FUBAR]

Passing yards by QBs through age 23:

1 Drew Bledsoe 10556 2 Peyton Manning 7874 3 Dan Marino 7294 4 Fran Tarkenton 6903 5 Joe Namath 5599 6 Bernie Kosar 5432 7 Norm Snead 5263 8 Ben Roethlisberger 5006 9 Alex Smith 467910 Bob Griese 4478Four HOFers, a fifth HOFer five years after he retires, a SB champ that might make the HOF, two four-time Pro Bowlers, Bernie Kosar and Alex Smith.

and how many of those played 3 years before their 24th birthday?Drew Bledsoe had 100 less yards in his 2nd season than Smith has in his career.

Smith has had one season with more than 1,000 yards passing.

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.

 

[CalBear]

Shaun Smith >>>>> Alex Smith

I don't know about Shaun Smith but I do like Shaun Hill>>>>>Alex Smith

See, that's what I mean. Alot of people agree that Hill looks to be a much better QB that Smith yet it seems like people are giving into the thought the job will be Smith's to lose.Why's that? I thought Hill looked fantastic.

Because the 49ers management and ownership are a bunch of self-important morons who make the common management error of pouring more investment into their bad decisions.

 

[JKL]

Passing yards by QBs through age 23:

1	Drew Bledsoe		  10556  2	Peyton Manning		 7874  3	Dan Marino			 7294  4	Fran Tarkenton		 6903  5	Joe Namath			 5599  6	Bernie Kosar		   5432  7	Norm Snead			 5263  8	Ben Roethlisberger	 5006  9	Alex Smith			 4679 10	Bob Griese			 4478

Four HOFers, a fifth HOFer five years after he retires, a SB champ that might make the HOF, two four-time Pro Bowlers, Bernie Kosar and Alex Smith.

And with career totals of 19 TDs & 31 INTs so far, Smith is on pace to mirror Namath's HoF credentials.

The fact that he is only 9th on this list, while starting parts of three seasons, is not a good thing. Smith will be 24 years old this year, most quarterbacks are rookies at age 23, so he is still not that much older than a drafted rookie. If he were in the draft this year, but you knew now what you know about his starting career to date, where is he drafted? I think outside the first two rounds for sure. And though his age is a mitigating factor on his behalf, I don't see much historical precedence for success.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

hopefully teams use Alex Smith as yet another example of why to never draft a QB thats been in a Spurrier's/Meyer's/June Jone's/ type funky spread offense. What those Coaches teach/call in college for their QB's ruins them for the NFL. Tebow to be next bust picked in 09' or 2010

 

[FUBAR]

hopefully teams use Alex Smith as yet another example of why to never draft a QB thats been in a Spurrier's/Meyer's/June Jone's/ type funky spread offense. What those Coaches teach/call in college for their QB's ruins them for the NFL. Tebow to be next bust picked in 09' or 2010

Smith <<< Tebow, and they're not even similar.

 

[Biabreakable]

Doesen't Martz run a spread offense?

I think the extension of Smiths contract probobly just makes it more cap friendly for them. I don't really see it as renewed commitment to Smith.

 

[silvergold]

I was surprised by this as well. I can really see him being cut at the end of the year.

say all you want about smith's yearly statistics, the thing i don't see from him, as a 49ers fan, is that ability to take over a game. I'm not looking up the statistics but he rarely throws for over 200 yds and has never hit 300 in three seasons in a terrible division where he plays the rams and cardinals twice a year. He looks slow, lethargic and seems to have trouble making a decision. He made shaun hill look like John Elway....that tells you a lot

 

[-jb-]

I was surprised by this as well. I can really see him being cut at the end of the year.say all you want about smith's yearly statistics, the thing i don't see from him, as a 49ers fan, is that ability to take over a game. I'm not looking up the statistics but he rarely throws for over 200 yds and has never hit 300 in three seasons in a terrible division where he plays the rams and cardinals twice a year. He looks slow, lethargic and seems to have trouble making a decision. He made shaun hill look like John Elway....that tells you a lot

i think this is partly smith and partly nolan. steve young was on knbr and mentioned something i thought summed it up very well. he said through all of the pounding of the system into his head, alex seems to have lost the fundamental prupose of the qb job - advance the ball. yes, you should go through your reads, yes, you should focus on the overall game plan, but at some point you just need to move the ball, system/plan be damned.it will be interesting to see how martz uses him. martz has mostly had pocket-passers over the years, and it seems smith does better rolling out. if martz can recreate marshall's role with gore, and can get smith to trust in his dump valve, things may turn out okay.

 

[silvergold]

I have no doubt that bringing nolan in was a huge mistake for smith's development. Nolan comes from a system where if they offense ends up with 120 yards of offense in a game...it's a great game.

I do think all factors were against smith developing, there is no doubt. But at the same time he didn't show anything and i think he may be done career wise.

I don't think he will do well in the martz system. it's a three step, five step, zip the ball out of there, make quick reads kind of system....

smith is better, as you said, rolling out and buying time so he can plan his dinner, make a grocery list and then throw the ball for 3 yards and have it be incomplete...

 

[-jb-]

smith is better, as you said, rolling out and buying time so he can plan his dinner, make a grocery list and then throw the ball for 3 yards and have it be incomplete...

 

[toxicbees]

In Alex's last 12 healthy starts, the Niners are 7-5. Write him off if you want.

 

[Keys Myaths]

In Alex's last 12 healthy starts, the Niners are 7-5. Write him off if you want.

This is like saying Grossman was the MVP in 2006 because the Bears made the Super Bowl.Giving a W/L record for QBs without accounting for talent around them is a massively flawed argument.

 

[massraider]

Smith was a Spread guy in college. Martz isnt a WCO guy. Not sure where Smith's career is headed, and yes I own him in at least 1 dynasty league

Don't you need WRs with Talent to run the spread?

Not really. Unless you think Mike Furrey is a great talent.

 

[CalBear]

In Alex's last 12 healthy starts, the Niners are 7-5. Write him off if you want.

Nice cherry-picking. In Smith's last 5 starts, the Niners are 0-5. Smith himself hasn't had a good game since December 2006. He managed to complete 50% of his passes just twice this year; once 11/17 for 126 yards and no TDs, and once just barely, 22/43 for 190 yards in a 31-10 loss to New Orleans. And this is not a case of the stats lying. He looks bad out there.

 

[toxicbees]

In Alex's last 12 healthy starts, the Niners are 7-5. Write him off if you want.

Nice cherry-picking. In Smith's last 5 starts, the Niners are 0-5. Smith himself hasn't had a good game since December 2006. He managed to complete 50% of his passes just twice this year; once 11/17 for 126 yards and no TDs, and once just barely, 22/43 for 190 yards in a 31-10 loss to New Orleans. And this is not a case of the stats lying. He looks bad out there.

Actually, I'm only counting his first three starts last season, he was hurt in week 4 and was never the same after that.Regardless, I'm not here to defend him, I was basically stating a fact, that the Niners record was pretty good under Smith.

 

[CalBear]

Actually, I'm only counting his first three starts last season, he was hurt in week 4 and was never the same after that.Regardless, I'm not here to defend him, I was basically stating a fact, that the Niners record was pretty good under Smith.

Most QBs have pretty good records when you throw out all the losses.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

hopefully teams use Alex Smith as yet another example of why to never draft a QB thats been in a Spurrier's/Meyer's/June Jone's/ type funky spread offense. What those Coaches teach/call in college for their QB's ruins them for the NFL. Tebow to be next bust picked in 09' or 2010

Smith <<< Tebow, and they're not even similar.

i wasn't comparing Smith to Tebow. just saying Tebow will be brainwashed with horrilbe mechanics/technique just like the rest of the QB's that have played in those systems.

 

[JAA]

Smith was a Spread guy in college. Martz isnt a WCO guy. Not sure where Smith's career is headed, and yes I own him in at least 1 dynasty league

Don't you need WRs with Talent to run the spread?

more along the lines of a mobile QB.

 

[JAA]

hopefully teams use Alex Smith as yet another example of why to never draft a QB thats been in a Spurrier's/Meyer's/June Jone's/ type funky spread offense. What those Coaches teach/call in college for their QB's ruins them for the NFL. Tebow to be next bust picked in 09' or 2010

Spurrier doesnt run the spread.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Passing yards by QBs through age 23:

1	Drew Bledsoe		  10556  2	Peyton Manning		 7874  3	Dan Marino			 7294  4	Fran Tarkenton		 6903  5	Joe Namath			 5599  6	Bernie Kosar		   5432  7	Norm Snead			 5263  8	Ben Roethlisberger	 5006  9	Alex Smith			 4679 10	Bob Griese			 4478

Four HOFers, a fifth HOFer five years after he retires, a SB champ that might make the HOF, two four-time Pro Bowlers, Bernie Kosar and Alex Smith.

And with career totals of 19 TDs & 31 INTs so far, Smith is on pace to mirror Namath's HoF credentials.

The fact that he is only 9th on this list, while starting parts of three seasons, is not a good thing. Smith will be 24 years old this year, most quarterbacks are rookies at age 23, so he is still not that much older than a drafted rookie. If he were in the draft this year, but you knew now what you know about his starting career to date, where is he drafted? I think outside the first two rounds for sure. And though his age is a mitigating factor on his behalf, I don't see much historical precedence for success.

I think age is a strong mitigating factor. I think it was unrealistic to expect a 22 year old on a terrible team to do much, but he did alright in '06. He regressed last year, but the book is far from written on him.

 

[jurb26]

As a Smith owner in one dynasty league I'm happy about the signing and certainly not ready to dig his grave just yet. However, I'm still left asking myself who this guy is supposed to throw the ball to?

As of right now they have Bruce, Battle, djax, Jason Hill, Ashley Lelie. There are some rumors Antonio Bryant wants to return to the 49ers.

Are you happy with that corps?

Not sure if this question was directed at me or derek. I'll respond none the less. No, I'm not happy with those options. Bruce and DJax have had great careers, but they are in the twilight of them. Battle is a situational player. Hill is still an experiment. Lelie a one tick pony. There is no WR1 on this team. Hell, there is hardly a WR2 (do think Bruce can still be that so long as there is a solid WR1 to take pressure off him). Unless Davis breaks out there is nothing to get excited about with that group IMO. Maybe I'm a bit harsh on them.

 

[FavreCo]

Under contract through 2010 now

Hmmm... I remember when the Texans committed to David Carr after new offensive guru Gary Kubiak was coming to town following a string of bad OCs. Now its playing out with Martz and Smith. Any reason to think Martz will be more successful with Smith than Kubiak was with Carr?

Absolutely none. As a matter of fact, Smith will be far worse off now with Martz as OC. This should be the end of Martz as a so called genius also.

 

[silvergold]

In Alex's last 12 healthy starts, the Niners are 7-5. Write him off if you want.

seriously that's a terrible cherry picking of stats there....he's bad.like i said earlier, to me the thing that bugs me the most about him is i haven't seen that spark, that keen abilitiy to pick apart a defense that other new qb's have every once in awhile. the guy is a bad qb in a bad system. yes he is young still but how many years of crappiness do you put up with before that excuse wears thin.

 

[Max Power]

As a Smith owner in one dynasty league I'm happy about the signing and certainly not ready to dig his grave just yet. However, I'm still left asking myself who this guy is supposed to throw the ball to?

As of right now they have Bruce, Battle, djax, Jason Hill, Ashley Lelie. There are some rumors Antonio Bryant wants to return to the 49ers.

Are you happy with that corps?

Not sure if this question was directed at me or derek. I'll respond none the less. No, I'm not happy with those options. Bruce and DJax have had great careers, but they are in the twilight of them. Battle is a situational player. Hill is still an experiment. Lelie a one tick pony. There is no WR1 on this team. Hell, there is hardly a WR2 (do think Bruce can still be that so long as there is a solid WR1 to take pressure off him). Unless Davis breaks out there is nothing to get excited about with that group IMO. Maybe I'm a bit harsh on them.

I tend to agree. I still hold a little hope that Djax can at least be servicable this season. Bruce has 1-2 years left at most. Battle and hill have shown glimpses, but I don't think either has a very high ceeling. What is the buzz around the team in regards to drafting a WR? 1st rd, 2nd rd?

 

[silvergold]

As a Smith owner in one dynasty league I'm happy about the signing and certainly not ready to dig his grave just yet. However, I'm still left asking myself who this guy is supposed to throw the ball to?

As of right now they have Bruce, Battle, djax, Jason Hill, Ashley Lelie. There are some rumors Antonio Bryant wants to return to the 49ers.

Are you happy with that corps?

Not sure if this question was directed at me or derek. I'll respond none the less. No, I'm not happy with those options. Bruce and DJax have had great careers, but they are in the twilight of them. Battle is a situational player. Hill is still an experiment. Lelie a one tick pony. There is no WR1 on this team. Hell, there is hardly a WR2 (do think Bruce can still be that so long as there is a solid WR1 to take pressure off him). Unless Davis breaks out there is nothing to get excited about with that group IMO. Maybe I'm a bit harsh on them.

I tend to agree. I still hold a little hope that Djax can at least be servicable this season. Bruce has 1-2 years left at most. Battle and hill have shown glimpses, but I don't think either has a very high ceeling. What is the buzz around the team in regards to drafting a WR? 1st rd, 2nd rd?

I think buzz is definately pointing to them going wr in round 1.i think bruce is going to limited playing on grass and i also think he will get hurt very quickly and not end up playing that many games...i like djax. i had him on fantasy team a bunch of years when he was on seattle. i always thought he was good...until he hit the 49ers

 

[sfl49er]

In Alex's last 12 healthy starts, the Niners are 7-5. Write him off if you want.

This is like saying Grossman was the MVP in 2006 because the Bears made the Super Bowl.Giving a W/L record for QBs without accounting for talent around them is a massively flawed argument.

It really isn't a good measure for a QB, but look at Smith's situation; it's very unique: He became a starter right out of college to the worst team in the league; had to change the TYPE of Coordinator in his transition from college to the nfl; has also had to adjust to different passing offenses every year since he came into the league. How about no receivers at the caliber of a TO or Moss in his career, but still fighting for wins. He had to run for his life ON THE FIELD because there was no o-line 2 out of 3 years. I think he did all this before his 24th birthday. WHAT WERE WE ALL DOING WHEN WE WERE 21 AND 22 YEARS OLD? Noone should put Alex Smith down at all because of the past year. Its never good when almost 350 lbs. falls on your throwing shoulder. Give him credit- he's working hard to be a good quarterback at 24. He's definitely a smarter QB after his experiences and Martz will bring out his best this first year. It will be fun watching because Hill is awesome too. They both can win if they have the chemistry.

 

[silvergold]

In Alex's last 12 healthy starts, the Niners are 7-5. Write him off if you want.

This is like saying Grossman was the MVP in 2006 because the Bears made the Super Bowl.Giving a W/L record for QBs without accounting for talent around them is a massively flawed argument.

It really isn't a good measure for a QB, but look at Smith's situation; it's very unique: He became a starter right out of college to the worst team in the league; had to change the TYPE of Coordinator in his transition from college to the nfl; has also had to adjust to different passing offenses every year since he came into the league. How about no receivers at the caliber of a TO or Moss in his career, but still fighting for wins. He had to run for his life ON THE FIELD because there was no o-line 2 out of 3 years. I think he did all this before his 24th birthday. WHAT WERE WE ALL DOING WHEN WE WERE 21 AND 22 YEARS OLD? Noone should put Alex Smith down at all because of the past year. Its never good when almost 350 lbs. falls on your throwing shoulder. Give him credit- he's working hard to be a good quarterback at 24. He's definitely a smarter QB after his experiences and Martz will bring out his best this first year. It will be fun watching because Hill is awesome too. They both can win if they have the chemistry.

Homerism at its best!