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5th/6th Rd. Wr's (1 Viewer)
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
I think PPR or no PPR will impact things for these guys . . .
MaclinStevie Johnson (one of those unheralded first-option WRs that will get a lot of targets. He's quietly averaged 80 receptions, 1000 yards, and 8.5 TDs the past two years and is getting better at his routes - also, not much competition)
Decker
Bowe
Desean Jackson
rocketsauce
Footballguy
PPR:
Decker
Maclin
Stevie
Bowe
Desean
I think Decker is gonna be money in the bank, even if Peyton isn't 100% old Peyton. He's looking for him a lot in preseason, especially when his primary reads aren't open. Maclin plays in a high-powered offense, and has shown he can have big blow up games as well. Stevie should get his in Buffalo, and I don't think the defense will be as good as advertised, leading to plenty more shootouts. Bowe plays on a run-first team that is going to try to play dominant defense. He can't beat good secondaries, but will occasionally take advantage of weaker Ds (when his team is trailing) - too messy for me. Desean is a one trick pony, the secret is out, he won't catch it in traffic. He'll catch a few (5, tops?) long TDs, so if that's your thing, take him. I think Decker & Maclin could be a WR2, but are great WR3s. Stevie is a great WR3, while I'd prefer for Bowe or Desean to be my WR4.
Decker
Maclin
Stevie
Bowe
Desean
I think Decker is gonna be money in the bank, even if Peyton isn't 100% old Peyton. He's looking for him a lot in preseason, especially when his primary reads aren't open. Maclin plays in a high-powered offense, and has shown he can have big blow up games as well. Stevie should get his in Buffalo, and I don't think the defense will be as good as advertised, leading to plenty more shootouts. Bowe plays on a run-first team that is going to try to play dominant defense. He can't beat good secondaries, but will occasionally take advantage of weaker Ds (when his team is trailing) - too messy for me. Desean is a one trick pony, the secret is out, he won't catch it in traffic. He'll catch a few (5, tops?) long TDs, so if that's your thing, take him. I think Decker & Maclin could be a WR2, but are great WR3s. Stevie is a great WR3, while I'd prefer for Bowe or Desean to be my WR4.
jaylasoul14
Footballguy
Bowe (top 3 ceiling)
S Johnson (no competition)
Decker (very talented/ manning)
Maclin
D Jax
S Johnson (no competition)
Decker (very talented/ manning)
Maclin
D Jax
pantherclub
Footballguy
I dont think there is any way Bowe will fall to the 5th.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
In his four healthy seasons, Bowe has ranked 24, 16, 2, and 20 in 0 PPR leagues. Sure, I'd like him as my WR4, too, as that means I would have one killer WR corps.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Bowe
Maclin
Decker
Stevie Johnson
Desean
Maclin
Decker
Stevie Johnson
Desean
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Lot of people down on DeSean. Interesting. One rough year really puts a guy in the fantasy doghouse.
jurb26
Footballguy
I was shocked to see his ADP was about 6th this past weekend as I prepared for one of my drafts. I wasn't risking things though so I took him in the 4th. Bowe has no business being available in the 6th IMO. Of the guys listed I'd place them;BoweMaclinS. JohnsonV. JacksonD. JacksonDeckerI actually took Bowe and Maclin at 4 and 5 this past weekend in a PPR league.
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Zackattack
Footballguy
I grabbed Bowe at 6.4 in a competitve draft the other day. Maclin made it back to me in the 7.7 spot! I was quite excited! This is a $250 league so the competition is solid not great. I was suprised. .5 ppr league.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
really? first I herd anything about Stevie J having an issue with the groin. They are not working him as hard in practice but he was full go in the games if IIRC
bengalbuck
Footballguy
I don't quite get all the Bowe love. He's a solid guy and a fine pick in the 5th. But WR is really deep this year and he doesn't stand out over the other guys available in the same range. He's held out of training camp and is likely to be behind the curve (and more prone to an injury). He's on a run first offense that is talking about running 500+ times. He has a bad QB. With the reported progress of Baldwin and return of Moeaki (along with 2 good receiving RBs), I don't expect him to get a ton of targets and he's never been a huge reception guy.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Stevie JohnsonJeremy MaclinDwayne BoweAntonio BrownVincent JacksonMiles AustinEric DeckerReggie WayneDesean JacksonIn that order.
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Lord Fantasy
Footballguy
I'm with you. Is he even in football shape? Has he seen a playbook? What kind of plans does the new coordinator have for him/other receivers? Not saying he isn't capable of being beastly, but with WR depth I'm looking elsewhere as well.
Saint
Footballguy
Maclin: He's entering his 4th year in the league. Maclin is showing all the right progression in receptions and yards. I think he could be target for a career high season this year. If his TDs go up accordingly, call me crazy but he may end up top 10.
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[*]2009: 3.7 receptions per game, 51 yds per game, 0.3 TD per game
[*]2010: 4.4 receptions per game, 60 yds per game, 0.6 TD per game
[*]2011: 4.8 receptions per game, 66 yds per game, 0.4 TD per game
Bowe: Amazing Bowe has been fairly consistent in his game, but the TDs have varied. 2010 had a career high TDs in 15, but what's more interesting to me is that his receptions per game have been steadily on the rise as well. Now granted there was no Baldwin and Charles last year, that could have helped his numbers go up. My fear for KC isn't so much Bowe's skills, but more along the lines of Cassel's playmaking abilities. I see KC as more of a run first offense rather than pass and in a PPR league, I would rather have the pass happy offense with the Eagles and Maclin. But if Maclin's not there, then I would go with Bowe for some consistency.
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[*]2009: 4.3 receptions per game, 53yds per game, 0.4 TD per game
[*]2010: 4.5 receptions per game, 73 yds per game, 0.9 TD per game
[*]2011: 5.1 receptions per game, 72 yds per game, 0.3 TD per game
D. Jackson: Seems to be more big hitter. Really don't like his decrease in yardage and TDs. Even though he does have rushing stats as well, I like Maclin's increase in receptions and yards each year compared to Jackson. I see Desean doing more of the big play and clearing out the safeties to allow Maclin the underneath. I would argue that Vick is more of a west coast passer with timing underneath routes and the occasional air bomb to Jackson.
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[*]2009: 4.2 receptions per game, 78 yds per game, 0.6 TD per game
[*]2010: 3.4 receptions per game, 75 yds per game, 0.4 TD per game
[*]2011: 3.9 receptions per game, 64 yds per game, 0.3 TD per game
S. Johnson: Kind of see him like Desean. Big play hitter but obviously not as good the last few years. This could be because they do not have a viable #2 receiver at this point. I am looking for consistency for the most part, so I would pass on Stevie and rather have Desean because the Eagles are more pass happy.
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[*]2009: 0.4 receptions per game, 2 yds per game, 0.0 TD per game
[*]2010: 5.1 receptions per game, 67 yds per game, 0.6 TD per game
[*]2011: 4.8 receptions per game, 63 yds per game, 0.4 TD per game
Decker: The stats show you how bad the Denver passing game actually was. It is about impossible to gauge where he should go with Peyton and Demaryius Thomas. He could be a good pick here, but do you really know what you are getting yet? I'm a bit more risk averse and I wouldn't touch Decker here and let someone else fight over him. Frankly Manning has shown some poise, but what happens down the stretch, will his arm and neck hold up? Let someone else gamble IMO.
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[*]2010: 0.4 receptions per game, 8 yds per game, 0.1 TD per game
[*]2011: 2.8 receptions per game, 38 yds per game, 0.5 TD per game
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[*]2009: 3.7 receptions per game, 51 yds per game, 0.3 TD per game
[*]2010: 4.4 receptions per game, 60 yds per game, 0.6 TD per game
[*]2011: 4.8 receptions per game, 66 yds per game, 0.4 TD per game
Bowe: Amazing Bowe has been fairly consistent in his game, but the TDs have varied. 2010 had a career high TDs in 15, but what's more interesting to me is that his receptions per game have been steadily on the rise as well. Now granted there was no Baldwin and Charles last year, that could have helped his numbers go up. My fear for KC isn't so much Bowe's skills, but more along the lines of Cassel's playmaking abilities. I see KC as more of a run first offense rather than pass and in a PPR league, I would rather have the pass happy offense with the Eagles and Maclin. But if Maclin's not there, then I would go with Bowe for some consistency.
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[*]2009: 4.3 receptions per game, 53yds per game, 0.4 TD per game
[*]2010: 4.5 receptions per game, 73 yds per game, 0.9 TD per game
[*]2011: 5.1 receptions per game, 72 yds per game, 0.3 TD per game
D. Jackson: Seems to be more big hitter. Really don't like his decrease in yardage and TDs. Even though he does have rushing stats as well, I like Maclin's increase in receptions and yards each year compared to Jackson. I see Desean doing more of the big play and clearing out the safeties to allow Maclin the underneath. I would argue that Vick is more of a west coast passer with timing underneath routes and the occasional air bomb to Jackson.
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[*]2009: 4.2 receptions per game, 78 yds per game, 0.6 TD per game
[*]2010: 3.4 receptions per game, 75 yds per game, 0.4 TD per game
[*]2011: 3.9 receptions per game, 64 yds per game, 0.3 TD per game
S. Johnson: Kind of see him like Desean. Big play hitter but obviously not as good the last few years. This could be because they do not have a viable #2 receiver at this point. I am looking for consistency for the most part, so I would pass on Stevie and rather have Desean because the Eagles are more pass happy.
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[*]2009: 0.4 receptions per game, 2 yds per game, 0.0 TD per game
[*]2010: 5.1 receptions per game, 67 yds per game, 0.6 TD per game
[*]2011: 4.8 receptions per game, 63 yds per game, 0.4 TD per game
Decker: The stats show you how bad the Denver passing game actually was. It is about impossible to gauge where he should go with Peyton and Demaryius Thomas. He could be a good pick here, but do you really know what you are getting yet? I'm a bit more risk averse and I wouldn't touch Decker here and let someone else fight over him. Frankly Manning has shown some poise, but what happens down the stretch, will his arm and neck hold up? Let someone else gamble IMO.
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[*]2010: 0.4 receptions per game, 8 yds per game, 0.1 TD per game
[*]2011: 2.8 receptions per game, 38 yds per game, 0.5 TD per game
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Run It Up
Footballguy
But, thats all wrong... hes a true WR1 on a pass first offense. DJax is barely a WRStevie Johnson
2010: 142 Targets, 82 Receptions for 1,073 yds and 10 TDs
2011: 134 Targets, 76 Receptions for 1,004 yds and 7 TDs
Desean Jackson
2009: 118 Targets, 63 Receptions for 1,167 yds and 9 TDs
2010: 96 Targets, 47 Receptions for 1,056 yds and 6 TDs
2011: 104 Targets, 58 Receptions for 961 yds abd 4 TDs
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thehornet
Footballguy
Saint
Footballguy
Great stat work RunItUp. I didn't look at targets, but focused more on the results. I'd be curious to see how the targets compared for the others. I think the challenge with Stevie is that he IS the guy because the #2 isn't stepping it up, whereas Jackson/Maclin are like 1A and 1B. This means the Eagle duo each have less double coverage than what Stevie has to face.
Run It Up
Footballguy
While looking for more information I found this old Footballguys article: http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/spotlight.php?yr=2012&id=JohnSt00
Maclin is twelfth on that list.
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Judge Smails
Footballguy
how would you rank those guys in non PPR?
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