5th Pick in a 12-Team PPR: Who Are You Targeting? (1 Viewer)

[Skoo]

Just got my draft slot last night. From mocks it seems like I will most likely be taking Hopkins or David Johnson from the 5 slot. Was really hoping to get a top 3 pick as I wanted to start off with WR, but I also like the looks of my teams when I went DJ-WR-WR.

Curious as to what everyone else is game planning from the 5 slot. I know a lot of people like AJ or Gurley there as well.

 

[smapdi]

I also drew 5th and I am strongly leaning Hopkins right now. This is my first time in this league since its a work league and I didn't start til last October so I'm not sure how the rest of the league is going to draft. 

A RB like Johnson is very intriguing but when I look at points scored and availability, taking 2 stud WR's off the bat and then someone like Shady McCoy in the 3rd as my RB1 makes more sense. 

 

[Milkman]

DJ

 

[ffrookie]

Don't trust Os to get Hopkins the ball so Im thinking either Gurley or AJ (if Dez keeps it up he may start getting close to consideration as well)

 

[FUBAR]

I also drew 5th and I am strongly leaning Hopkins right now. This is my first time in this league since its a work league and I didn't start til last October so I'm not sure how the rest of the league is going to draft. 

A RB like Johnson is very intriguing but when I look at points scored and availability, taking 2 stud WR's off the bat and then someone like Shady McCoy in the 3rd as my RB1 makes more sense. 

If McCoy is available in the 3rd he's going to be on all my teams 

5 is where things start to get interesting.  I think I take Peterson.

 

[shady inc]

i'd take aj green as high as 4th, so would take him 5th if he's there

 

[higgins]

I got the 5th pick in Andy Dufresne's league -- following is how it's worked out so far.

6 pts/TD -- ppr -- start 1 QB, 1RB, 1 RB/WR, 1 WR, 1 WR/TE, 1 TE, 1 DST -- 12 teams.

1.05 -- Gronk, NE TE

2.08 -- Keenan Allen, SD WR

3.05 -- Jordan Reed, WAS TE

4.08 -- Ben Roethlisberger, PIT QB

5.05 -- Demarco Murray, TEN RB

6.08 -- Arian Foster, MIA RB

7.05 -- Steve Smith, BAL WR

8.08 -- Ameer Abdullah, DET RB

9.05 -- Vincent Jackson, TB WR

10.08 -- Clive Walford, OAK TE

11.05 -- LeGarrette Blount, NE RB

....

QB Big Ben

RB Demarco, Arian, Ameer, Blount

WR Keenan, Smiff, VJackson

TE Gronk, Jordan Reed, Walford

With the ability to start 2 TE's I like that I got 2 of the top-3 but my lack of depth at WR could hurt and I'm hoping someone from my RB corps emerges.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

I got the 5th pick in Andy Dufresne's league -- following is how it's worked out so far.

6 pts/TD -- ppr -- start 1 QB, 1RB, 1 RB/WR, 1 WR, 1 WR/TE, 1 TE, 1 DST -- 12 teams.

1.05 -- Gronk, NE TE

2.08 -- Keenan Allen, SD WR

3.05 -- Jordan Reed, WAS TE

4.08 -- Ben Roethlisberger, PIT QB

5.05 -- Demarco Murray, TEN RB

6.08 -- Arian Foster, MIA RB

7.05 -- Steve Smith, BAL WR

8.08 -- Ameer Abdullah, DET RB

9.05 -- Vincent Jackson, TB WR

10.08 -- Clive Walford, OAK TE

11.05 -- LeGarrette Blount, NE RB

....

QB Big Ben

RB Demarco, Arian, Ameer, Blount

WR Keenan, Smiff, VJackson

TE Gronk, Jordan Reed, Walford

With the ability to start 2 TE's I like that I got 2 of the top-3 but my lack of depth at WR could hurt and I'm hoping someone from my RB corps emerges.

This is exactly the problem with taking Gronk in the mid-1st IMO: if your draft happens to be one where elite TEs slip, you really can't take advantage of it. If you can start Reed or Olsen in the flex, that's great, but there are plenty of WRs with ADPs in the mid-3rd who in non-TE premium leagues will put up as many or more points, so you're not really coming out ahead.

And there's not much of a way to know ahead of time ... I've been in mocks where all 3 were off the board by the mid-2nd and others where Olsen made it into the 5th. Think I'm passing on Gronk this year even in PPR unless I'm at the turn or close to it.

 

[lazyike]

I got the 5th pick in Andy Dufresne's league -- following is how it's worked out so far.

6 pts/TD -- ppr -- start 1 QB, 1RB, 1 RB/WR, 1 WR, 1 WR/TE, 1 TE, 1 DST -- 12 teams.

1.05 -- Gronk, NE TE

2.08 -- Keenan Allen, SD WR

3.05 -- Jordan Reed, WAS TE

4.08 -- Ben Roethlisberger, PIT QB

5.05 -- Demarco Murray, TEN RB

6.08 -- Arian Foster, MIA RB

7.05 -- Steve Smith, BAL WR

8.08 -- Ameer Abdullah, DET RB

9.05 -- Vincent Jackson, TB WR

10.08 -- Clive Walford, OAK TE

11.05 -- LeGarrette Blount, NE RB

....

QB Big Ben

RB Demarco, Arian, Ameer, Blount

WR Keenan, Smiff, VJackson

TE Gronk, Jordan Reed, Walford

With the ability to start 2 TE's I like that I got 2 of the top-3 but my lack of depth at WR could hurt and I'm hoping someone from my RB corps emerges.

Sorry but not liking those WRs after Allen

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Live PPR draft last night, guy picking #5 took Gronk as well. Top 4 picks were AB, Julio, ODB, D. Johnson. 

 

[Skoo]

Still struggling with this one....I know everyone is high on AJ this year but the past few seasons have soured me a bit on him. Not his talent, but his situation. While I'm sure he'll have his big games consistency is what worries me.

If the big 3 and DJ are gone I'm gonna have a really tough choice.

Might just go with my boy Allen Robinson (PSU Alum). While the Jags might not be playing catch up as much this year I still think he has room to grow. At the very least I think he has a very safe floor.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I never considered taking Gronk, just screws up the team IME. Our flex is w/r/t but there are so many productive WRs I don't think you should plan for two TEs.

Took Hopkins after the chalk start (AB, OBJ, JJ, DJ.) Went RB-RB after that and TE in the 5th. Totally NOT the game plan going in, in 90% of mocks I had 4 WRs and 1 RB after five rounds, but I just felt like Freeman in the third and Olsen in the fifth were too good of a value to pass on.

 

[maf005]

12 team PPR 1qb 3wr 2rb 1te 1flex(wr/rb/te)

Really liking my "zero rb" draft starting with:

Green (debated between Green and Elliot but ultimately went Green due to increased value of WRs in this format)

Watkins (small chance Sammy would be there in the 3rd but decided to "reach" since he was the highest rated player left on the board)

Hilton 

Fitzgerald (possibly overreacting to John Brown's injury)

L Murray 

Langford

Stewart

Jennings

The rest of the roster is filled with receiving rb types (thompson, simms etc) and high upside WRs (fuller, Rishard Matthews). QB (Stafford) and TE (Clay) don't matter and were last round selections.

 

[BobbyLayne]

12 team PPR 1qb 3wr 2rb 1te 1flex(wr/rb/te)

Really liking my "zero rb" draft starting with:

Green (debated between Green and Elliot but ultimately went Green due to increased value of WRs in this format)

Watkins (small chance Sammy would be there in the 3rd but decided to "reach" since he was the highest rated player left on the board)

Hilton 

Fitzgerald (possibly overreacting to John Brown's injury)

L Murray 

Langford

Stewart

Jennings

The rest of the roster is filled with receiving rb types (thompson, simms etc) and high upside WRs (fuller, Rishard Matthews). QB (Stafford) and TE (Clay) don't matter and were last round selections.

You would have missed all four by one round in my draft yesterday. FBGs ADP, which is consensus from across five sites:

Murray 35

Langford 55

Stewart 53

Jennings 83

You're targeting them at 53, 68, 77 and 92. That might not work out for you.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

I got the 5th pick in Andy Dufresne's league -- following is how it's worked out so far.

6 pts/TD -- ppr -- start 1 QB, 1RB, 1 RB/WR, 1 WR, 1 WR/TE, 1 TE, 1 DST -- 12 teams.

1.05 -- Gronk, NE TE

2.08 -- Keenan Allen, SD WR

3.05 -- Jordan Reed, WAS TE

4.08 -- Ben Roethlisberger, PIT QB

5.05 -- Demarco Murray, TEN RB

6.08 -- Arian Foster, MIA RB

7.05 -- Steve Smith, BAL WR

8.08 -- Ameer Abdullah, DET RB

9.05 -- Vincent Jackson, TB WR

10.08 -- Clive Walford, OAK TE

11.05 -- LeGarrette Blount, NE RB

....

QB Big Ben

RB Demarco, Arian, Ameer, Blount

WR Keenan, Smiff, VJackson

TE Gronk, Jordan Reed, Walford

With the ability to start 2 TE's I like that I got 2 of the top-3 but my lack of depth at WR could hurt and I'm hoping someone from my RB corps emerges.

I ended up taking Gronk at 1.6 in my 10 team ppr draft (6pt passing tds).  I think my team would have been awesome had I shown more discipline.   I think when you take Gronk in the first round of a ppr draft--you are basically forced to take a WR in the second round--which is what you did. I made the mistake of getting tempted by taking Leveon in the second--and because of this--my wr's are pretty bad.  I think that if I had been in your shoes--I think when you take a TE early--you can and should wait on qb. I also think you probably should have waited on a second TE.   If you look at your roster--I think if you replaced Big Ben and Jordan Reed with later round guys like Stafford and Ertz--and added a 3rd and 4th round WR to team up with Allen--you probably end up with one of the better rosters in the league.   My WR corps ended up: Randall Cobb, Doug Baldwin, Larry Fitzgerald, Marvin Jones, T Lockett--which is pretty bad for a 10 teamer.   

 

[Skoo]

Agree that it's a bad idea to take a QB and TE early. You can do one or the other, but if you do both it really puts you behind the 8 ball at RB and WR.

Starting to consider EZE or Bell at #5 if it goes big 3 WR, David Johnson in the first 4.

 

[MattFancy]

Here's my team I drafted Sunday from the 5 spot:

12-team PPR. Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 TE, 3 W/R/T, 1 K, 1 DST. All TDs are 6 points.

QB - Brees (6), Winston (15)

RB - Ingram (2), Forte (4), Yeldon (8), Ivory (9), Powell (11)

WR - Julio (1), Hilton (3), Fitzgerald (5), Lockett (7), MThomas (12)

TE - Bennett (10), McDonald (16)

K - Tucker (14)

DST - Chiefs (13)

 

[Long Ball Larry]

can i ask about number 5 in non-PPR?  Would you have Gurley in the top 5?  I actually prefer him to Johnson, but was also thinking Gronk at number 5.  My guess is that it will go AB/ODB/JJ/Gurley in the top 4 based on my league history.  I have some concern about Johnson just based on lack of track record and I'm not sure I'm all in on Hopkins/ADP/EZE.

At least with Gronk, you know you will get massive production in several games.

 

[MattFancy]

can i ask about number 5 in non-PPR?  Would you have Gurley in the top 5?  I actually prefer him to Johnson, but was also thinking Gronk at number 5.  My guess is that it will go AB/ODB/JJ/Gurley in the top 4 based on my league history.  I have some concern about Johnson just based on lack of track record and I'm not sure I'm all in on Hopkins/ADP/EZE.

At least with Gronk, you know you will get massive production in several games.

I also have the #5 pick in a non-PPR. I don't think I would consider Gronk that high in non-PPR. Sure, he's consistent, but his value to your team isn't as great in a non-PPR league.

For me, I look at it as I'm for sure getting 1 of Brown, Julio, Beckham, Johnson, or Gurley. I can live with 1 of those 5 for sure.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

When figuring out VBD values for my league, I get Gronk as the number 2 player.  It doesn't feel good to me that high, but I am considering . . .

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

When figuring out VBD values for my league, I get Gronk as the number 2 player.  It doesn't feel good to me that high, but I am considering . . .

My objection to Gronk in the mid-1st isn't so much a VBD objection as much as one of roster construction and flexibility. I've mocked it six ways from Sunday both this year and last, and I can't ever get a team I'm satisfied with after taking Gronk in the 1st unless I'm drafting from somewhere like the 11 or 12 hole (and I don't expect him to still be on the board for that long in most leagues). And then there's the problem with locking up your TE slot and missing out on potential steals downstream that I mentioned upthread.

I could maybe, maybe, be talked into Gronk at 5 in full PPR (where zero-RB is a perfectly viable strategy) but no way I'd do it in typical standard-scoring leagues.

 

[bcat01]

Here is my team from the 5th spot in a 10 team league PPR.  1 QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1WR/TE, 1 WR/RB/TE, K, TD

Green Machine

1.(5)DeAndre Hopkins (Hou - WR)

2.(16)Keenan Allen (SD - WR)

3.(25)Jamaal Charles (KC - RB)

4.(36)Sammy Watkins (Buf - WR)

5.(45)Latavius Murray (Oak - RB)

6.(56)Jordan Reed (Was - TE)

7.(65)Giovani Bernard (Cin - RB)

8.(76)Josh Gordon (Cle - WR)

9.(85)Kirk Cousins (Was - QB)

10.(96)Eli Manning (NYG - QB)

11.(105)Rashad Jennings (NYG - RB)

12.(116)Vincent Jackson (TB - WR)

13.(125)Minnesota (Min - DEF)

14.(136)Mike Wallace (Bal - WR)

15.(145)Philadelphia (Phi - DEF)

16.(156)Spencer Ware (KC - RB)

17.(165)Chandler Catanzaro (Ari - K)