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cantstop1999

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thats what about we are looking at in the 6 hole.

westbrook- injury is a big concern, also last year was really his 1st monster year.

r.johnson-consistant but not explosive.

gore - he is incredible but on a bad team,but they made improvements.

addai- great player but, coaching staff likes using 2 backs this could hurt his touches and would mean not a good first rounder.

what do you guys think ? as of now im leaning toward gore .

 
If Gore's not in your top 5 pls post them. We all know the top 3, but let's see your other 2.

Dynasty or Re-draft??? PPR??

There's a thread w/ links to recent drafts that will give you some relevant info on P1.

 
If Gore's not in your top 5 pls post them. We all know the top 3, but let's see your other 2.Dynasty or Re-draft??? PPR??There's a thread w/ links to recent drafts that will give you some relevant info on P1.
Gore is not in my top 5. I don't really understand the hype for him this year. Last year was a classic case of "overachieving" in my mind. He had a handful of huge plays that helped his totals, and I don't really see him as a true big play RB. I have to believe the passing game will make some improvement. You also have to look at Gore's injury history.Factor all these things together and I'll be taking Westbrook, Rudi, Alexander, Addai ahead of him for sure. And, possibly a Willie Parker, Travis Henry, or even Ronnie Brown (who could be a nice value this year.).
 
If Gore's not in your top 5 pls post them. We all know the top 3, but let's see your other 2.Dynasty or Re-draft??? PPR??There's a thread w/ links to recent drafts that will give you some relevant info on P1.
Gore is not in my top 5. I don't really understand the hype for him this year. Last year was a classic case of "overachieving" in my mind. He had a handful of huge plays that helped his totals, and I don't really see him as a true big play RB. I have to believe the passing game will make some improvement. You also have to look at Gore's injury history.Factor all these things together and I'll be taking Westbrook, Rudi, Alexander, Addai ahead of him for sure. And, possibly a Willie Parker, Travis Henry, or even Ronnie Brown (who could be a nice value this year.).
Another facor is that Norv Turner is gone and that doesn't help Gore. But I'd still have him well ahead of Rudi, Parker, Alexander & Henry.As for the original question, Addai might be safer due Westbrook's injury history but in a PPR league Westbrook's PPG will be around RB3. Just something to think about.
 
If Gore's not in your top 5 pls post them. We all know the top 3, but let's see your other 2.Dynasty or Re-draft??? PPR??There's a thread w/ links to recent drafts that will give you some relevant info on P1.
Gore is not in my top 5. I don't really understand the hype for him this year. Last year was a classic case of "overachieving" in my mind. He had a handful of huge plays that helped his totals, and I don't really see him as a true big play RB. I have to believe the passing game will make some improvement. You also have to look at Gore's injury history.Factor all these things together and I'll be taking Westbrook, Rudi, Alexander, Addai ahead of him for sure. And, possibly a Willie Parker, Travis Henry, or even Ronnie Brown (who could be a nice value this year.).
Another facor is that Norv Turner is gone and that doesn't help Gore. But I'd still have him well ahead of Rudi, Parker, Alexander & Henry.As for the original question, Addai might be safer due Westbrook's injury history but in a PPR league Westbrook's PPG will be around RB3. Just something to think about.
rudi has 1 of the most consistant numbers,
 
If Gore's not in your top 5 pls post them. We all know the top 3, but let's see your other 2.Dynasty or Re-draft??? PPR??There's a thread w/ links to recent drafts that will give you some relevant info on P1.
Gore is not in my top 5. I don't really understand the hype for him this year. Last year was a classic case of "overachieving" in my mind. He had a handful of huge plays that helped his totals, and I don't really see him as a true big play RB. I have to believe the passing game will make some improvement. You also have to look at Gore's injury history.Factor all these things together and I'll be taking Westbrook, Rudi, Alexander, Addai ahead of him for sure. And, possibly a Willie Parker, Travis Henry, or even Ronnie Brown (who could be a nice value this year.).
Another facor is that Norv Turner is gone and that doesn't help Gore. But I'd still have him well ahead of Rudi, Parker, Alexander & Henry.
"Well ahead?"I suppose I can see why someone would have him well ahead of Henry, or Parker, but not the other two. And, actually, I don't see why they would have HIM well ahead, but I can see why there might be a descent gap between Alexander/Rudi and Henry/Parker.
 
If Gore's not in your top 5 pls post them. We all know the top 3, but let's see your other 2.Dynasty or Re-draft??? PPR??There's a thread w/ links to recent drafts that will give you some relevant info on P1.
Gore is not in my top 5. I don't really understand the hype for him this year. Last year was a classic case of "overachieving" in my mind. He had a handful of huge plays that helped his totals, and I don't really see him as a true big play RB. I have to believe the passing game will make some improvement. You also have to look at Gore's injury history.
You obviously did not watch Gore play at all last year. The only possible knock on Gore right now is a concern about his situation, not him (Turner leaving). The kid is a stud, period.
 
If Gore's not in your top 5 pls post them. We all know the top 3, but let's see your other 2.Dynasty or Re-draft??? PPR??There's a thread w/ links to recent drafts that will give you some relevant info on P1.
Gore is not in my top 5. I don't really understand the hype for him this year. Last year was a classic case of "overachieving" in my mind. He had a handful of huge plays that helped his totals, and I don't really see him as a true big play RB. I have to believe the passing game will make some improvement. You also have to look at Gore's injury history.
You obviously did not watch Gore play at all last year. The only possible knock on Gore right now is a concern about his situation, not him (Turner leaving). The kid is a stud, period.
Actually I saw a lot of Gore last year (for some reason.)I saw a good, not great RB, and I seem to remember a few LONG runs that were more due to poor defense than elite running.
 
If Gore's not in your top 5 pls post them. We all know the top 3, but let's see your other 2.

Dynasty or Re-draft??? PPR??

There's a thread w/ links to recent drafts that will give you some relevant info on P1.
Gore is not in my top 5. I don't really understand the hype for him this year. Last year was a classic case of "overachieving" in my mind. He had a handful of huge plays that helped his totals, and I don't really see him as a true big play RB. I have to believe the passing game will make some improvement. You also have to look at Gore's injury history.
You obviously did not watch Gore play at all last year. The only possible knock on Gore right now is a concern about his situation, not him (Turner leaving). The kid is a stud, period.
Actually I saw a lot of Gore last year (for some reason.)I saw a good, not great RB, and I seem to remember a few LONG runs that were more due to poor defense than elite running.
You and I were watching different games. The games I watched included back to back weeks where he had 60+ yard runs that ended in him being tackled inside the 10 yard line - which is when I traded or him. I also saw a RB that kept drives alive despite Def. not fully respecting the pass. As good a RB as Gore was last year - I'm one of the few people who don't believe it was his ceiling. Let's not forget this was for the most part without V. Davis. (Granted - do we really know who Davis is yet? No. But I do know defenses will have to pay attention to him). I don't think we've even seen the best of Gore. IF healthy - and I'll give you that's a pretty big pink elephant in the corner.

 
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thats what about we are looking at in the 6 hole.

westbrook- injury is a big concern, also last year was really his 1st monster year.

r.johnson-consistant but not explosive.

gore - he is incredible but on a bad team,but they made improvements.

addai- great player but, coaching staff likes using 2 backs this could hurt his touches and would mean not a good first rounder.

what do you guys think ? as of now im leaning toward gore .
If I pick at 6 and Westbrook is there, here's a :goodposting: in advance.
 
If Gore's not in your top 5 pls post them. We all know the top 3, but let's see your other 2.

Dynasty or Re-draft??? PPR??

There's a thread w/ links to recent drafts that will give you some relevant info on P1.
Gore is not in my top 5. I don't really understand the hype for him this year. Last year was a classic case of "overachieving" in my mind. He had a handful of huge plays that helped his totals, and I don't really see him as a true big play RB. I have to believe the passing game will make some improvement. You also have to look at Gore's injury history.Factor all these things together and I'll be taking Westbrook, Rudi, Alexander, Addai ahead of him for sure. And, possibly a Willie Parker, Travis Henry, or even Ronnie Brown (who could be a nice value this year.).
Another facor is that Norv Turner is gone and that doesn't help Gore. But I'd still have him well ahead of Rudi, Parker, Alexander & Henry.As for the original question, Addai might be safer due Westbrook's injury history but in a PPR league Westbrook's PPG will be around RB3. Just something to think about.
rudi has 1 of the most consistant numbers,
Consistent is 1 factor but he doesn't rank top 10 in PPR and has been 8, 7, 9 per FBG's the last 3 years. He was ranked RB11 in 2 of my PPR leagues. I can't see going with a borderline top 10 player at 6 when there are better options. This is your RB1 and you need a btter selection IMO.
 
If Gore's not in your top 5 pls post them. We all know the top 3, but let's see your other 2.Dynasty or Re-draft??? PPR??There's a thread w/ links to recent drafts that will give you some relevant info on P1.
Gore is not in my top 5. I don't really understand the hype for him this year. Last year was a classic case of "overachieving" in my mind. He had a handful of huge plays that helped his totals, and I don't really see him as a true big play RB. I have to believe the passing game will make some improvement. You also have to look at Gore's injury history.Factor all these things together and I'll be taking Westbrook, Rudi, Alexander, Addai ahead of him for sure. And, possibly a Willie Parker, Travis Henry, or even Ronnie Brown (who could be a nice value this year.).
Another facor is that Norv Turner is gone and that doesn't help Gore. But I'd still have him well ahead of Rudi, Parker, Alexander & Henry.
"Well ahead?"I suppose I can see why someone would have him well ahead of Henry, or Parker, but not the other two. And, actually, I don't see why they would have HIM well ahead, but I can see why there might be a descent gap between Alexander/Rudi and Henry/Parker.
In PPR league, Westbrook & Gore outscored Parker by 35 pts or 2 pts per game. That's enough of a difference to make the move. In Alexander's last 6 games he avg 17.6 pts per game in PPR and that projects out to 299 for the year. Again better than Rudi.So while I like Rudi, I'm not taking him before RB9 in most cases. His real value is at 1.12 or anywhere after that.
 
If Gore's not in your top 5 pls post them. We all know the top 3, but let's see your other 2.Dynasty or Re-draft??? PPR??There's a thread w/ links to recent drafts that will give you some relevant info on P1.
Gore is not in my top 5. I don't really understand the hype for him this year. Last year was a classic case of "overachieving" in my mind. He had a handful of huge plays that helped his totals, and I don't really see him as a true big play RB. I have to believe the passing game will make some improvement. You also have to look at Gore's injury history.Factor all these things together and I'll be taking Westbrook, Rudi, Alexander, Addai ahead of him for sure. And, possibly a Willie Parker, Travis Henry, or even Ronnie Brown (who could be a nice value this year.).
:thumbup: :) :shrug: two words:Norv Turner. without Turner, Gore's numbers should take a HUGE dip..then there's the injury concerns.I wouldn't rank Gore in the top 10..
 
In PPR, if Westbrook is available at 6 he's your guy no arguments.

In non-PPR, Westbrook is still your guy although you could have an argument for some other players.

 
nygiants56 said:
Grigs Allmoon said:
thecardiackid said:
If Gore's not in your top 5 pls post them. We all know the top 3, but let's see your other 2.Dynasty or Re-draft??? PPR??There's a thread w/ links to recent drafts that will give you some relevant info on P1.
Gore is not in my top 5. I don't really understand the hype for him this year. Last year was a classic case of "overachieving" in my mind. He had a handful of huge plays that helped his totals, and I don't really see him as a true big play RB. I have to believe the passing game will make some improvement. You also have to look at Gore's injury history.Factor all these things together and I'll be taking Westbrook, Rudi, Alexander, Addai ahead of him for sure. And, possibly a Willie Parker, Travis Henry, or even Ronnie Brown (who could be a nice value this year.).
:goodposting: :goodposting: :goodposting: two words:Norv Turner. without Turner, Gore's numbers should take a HUGE dip..then there's the injury concerns.I wouldn't rank Gore in the top 10..
Sig bet Gore ranks in the top 10 in ppr?They are going to keep the same system they had last year. They improved their Def and improved their Wr's, trading for Djax, signing lelie, to help with the passing game. Opposing def's will start to respect the 49ers passing game which will open up holes for Gore. Instead of seeing 8-9 guys in the box, Gore will see 5-7 guys in the box. Is it a bet or no?
 
I go with Rudi or FWP. Either would be a safe pick. Im not 100% sold on Gore, but willingto admit i might be wrong. I learned the hard way, you dont gamble in the first round.

 
In a redraft, it's hard to fault anyone for ranking Rudi Johnson as the 4th RB, after LT LJ & SJ. He is pretty much a lock for 1200yds rushing and 10TD (three seasons of 1300+yd and 12tds running). He won't get you 1800 total yards and 20 TD, but he also won't drop a goose egg and have <1000yd and <6td. Rudi is also going to be 28, and not over 30 like Alexander.

In Cincy, there's no major coaching/coordinator change or new systems, whereas players like Gore & Parker, in the hands of new systems/coaches, have a bit more variability in their output.

Consistency and not having a bust with your 1st round pick is pretty important in a redraft league.

 
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In a redraft, it's hard to fault anyone for ranking Rudi Johnson as the 4th RB, after LT LJ & SJ. He is pretty much a lock for 1200yds rushing and 10TD (three seasons of 1300+yd and 12tds running). He won't get you 1800 total yards and 20 TD, but he also won't drop a goose egg and have <1000yd and <6td. Rudi is also going to be 28, and not over 30 like Alexander.In Cincy, there's no major coaching/coordinator change or new systems, whereas players like Gore & Parker, in the hands of new systems/coaches, have a bit more variability in their output.Consistency and not having a bust with your 1st round pick is pretty important in a redraft league.
I guess you can play it safe but if you take that approach during the draft you might find yourslef with a nice team.......in 2nd place. And if you decide to draft Rudi and you're drafting at 4-6 then you might as well trade down and get an extra pick. But you need to be sure you hit on your 2nd thru 6th round picks in order to make this strategy pay off.
 
My choice for the 6 hole is FWP. Tomlin is going to find ways to get the ball to FWP in open space this season. Last season was just a glimpse into what this guy can do. Yes, he'll have his annual 2 stinkers vs. BAL, but FWP has proven he'll put up big numbers and he's clearly the man at the GL now. Only downside is that he does come out on 3rd down most of the time.

BTW, I would take Gore over FWP, but I have Gore in my Top 5:

LT

SJax

LJ

Gore

Westy

FWP

SA

 
In a redraft, it's hard to fault anyone for ranking Rudi Johnson as the 4th RB, after LT LJ & SJ. He is pretty much a lock for 1200yds rushing and 10TD (three seasons of 1300+yd and 12tds running). He won't get you 1800 total yards and 20 TD, but he also won't drop a goose egg and have <1000yd and <6td. Rudi is also going to be 28, and not over 30 like Alexander.In Cincy, there's no major coaching/coordinator change or new systems, whereas players like Gore & Parker, in the hands of new systems/coaches, have a bit more variability in their output.Consistency and not having a bust with your 1st round pick is pretty important in a redraft league.
I guess you can play it safe but if you take that approach during the draft you might find yourslef with a nice team.......in 2nd place.
You seem to forget that once playoff time comes it's about 95% luck. I made the championship in 4 of my 5 pay leagues last year, and despite having the better team in at least 3, I didn't win a single one of them.
But you need to be sure you hit on your 2nd thru 6th round picks in order to make this strategy pay off.
Well, no kidding. That's true to make any strategy pay off.Like the old saying goes, "You can't win a league with your first round pick, but you can lose it."
 
"You seem to forget that once playoff time comes it's about 95% luck. I made the championship in 4 of my 5 pay leagues last year, and despite having the better team in at least 3, I didn't win a single one of them."

This isn't true. Come playoff time it might be about 95% matchups but not luck. I'll assume you meant to say that despite having the better team DURING THE REGULAR SEASON you didn't win a single one of them but failing to transition your team down the stretch is not being unlucky.

 
"You seem to forget that once playoff time comes it's about 95% luck. I made the championship in 4 of my 5 pay leagues last year, and despite having the better team in at least 3, I didn't win a single one of them."This isn't true. Come playoff time it might be about 95% matchups but not luck. I'll assume you meant to say that despite having the better team DURING THE REGULAR SEASON you didn't win a single one of them but failing to transition your team down the stretch is not being unlucky.
Yeah, that's exactly what I meant... ;)
 
In a redraft, it's hard to fault anyone for ranking Rudi Johnson as the 4th RB, after LT LJ & SJ. He is pretty much a lock for 1200yds rushing and 10TD (three seasons of 1300+yd and 12tds running). He won't get you 1800 total yards and 20 TD, but he also won't drop a goose egg and have <1000yd and <6td. Rudi is also going to be 28, and not over 30 like Alexander.In Cincy, there's no major coaching/coordinator change or new systems, whereas players like Gore & Parker, in the hands of new systems/coaches, have a bit more variability in their output.Consistency and not having a bust with your 1st round pick is pretty important in a redraft league.
I guess you can play it safe but if you take that approach during the draft you might find yourslef with a nice team.......in 2nd place.
You seem to forget that once playoff time comes it's about 95% luck. I made the championship in 4 of my 5 pay leagues last year, and despite having the better team in at least 3, I didn't win a single one of them.
But you need to be sure you hit on your 2nd thru 6th round picks in order to make this strategy pay off.
Well, no kidding. That's true to make any strategy pay off.Like the old saying goes, "You can't win a league with your first round pick, but you can lose it."
As long as you believe that it's about 95% luck then there's no need to discuss strategy. As for the quote, anyone that has some experience realizes there's no need to take chances in the first round. Not sure why you think that's the only option after Rudi. :crazy:
 
"I guess you can play it safe but if you take that approach during the draft you might find yourslef with a nice team.......in 2nd place. And if you decide to draft Rudi and you're drafting at 4-6 then you might as well trade down and get an extra pick. But you need to be sure you hit on your 2nd thru 6th round picks in order to make this strategy pay off."

Tell that to the guy in 2006 who had Lamont Jordan, Cadillac Williams, Chris Chambers.. and later thought he had a steal with Kurt Warner as his QB1.

The name of the game is risk management. Some people just go off other people's rankings blindly and will always take that highest guy on the list in the 1st round, without considering maybe those players ranked just below him are more even in rating, rather than "below" him. Some players are more consistent. Some have more upside. Some are injury-prone and/or really old. If you want 800-900 yards and 4td out of your WR3, Eddie Kennison is your man. Just sayin

 
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I can't believe that Portis is not even being mentioned in this discussion.
I can. coming off injury and his backup had some great numbers. From when he (Betts) became a starter late in the season, 5 out of 7 100 yard rushing games. In one of the two he didn't break the century mark, he only got 7 carries. Portis won't be the featured back next year. Probably something like the Priest/LJ split of a few years ago.
 
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I can't believe that Portis is not even being mentioned in this discussion.
I currently have him at #8 (very early list-btw), the injury concerns scare me a little on him. He's a player I'm waiting to here more news about. If healthy, I do think he could very well end up in the top 5. 1. L.T.

2. L.J.

3. Gore

4. S.Jax

5. FWP

6. Westy

7. S.Alex

8. Portis

9. Rudy J

10. MJD

 
In a redraft, it's hard to fault anyone for ranking Rudi Johnson as the 4th RB, after LT LJ & SJ. He is pretty much a lock for 1200yds rushing and 10TD (three seasons of 1300+yd and 12tds running). He won't get you 1800 total yards and 20 TD, but he also won't drop a goose egg and have <1000yd and <6td. Rudi is also going to be 28, and not over 30 like Alexander.In Cincy, there's no major coaching/coordinator change or new systems, whereas players like Gore & Parker, in the hands of new systems/coaches, have a bit more variability in their output.Consistency and not having a bust with your 1st round pick is pretty important in a redraft league.
I guess you can play it safe but if you take that approach during the draft you might find yourslef with a nice team.......in 2nd place.
You seem to forget that once playoff time comes it's about 95% luck. I made the championship in 4 of my 5 pay leagues last year, and despite having the better team in at least 3, I didn't win a single one of them.
But you need to be sure you hit on your 2nd thru 6th round picks in order to make this strategy pay off.
Well, no kidding. That's true to make any strategy pay off.Like the old saying goes, "You can't win a league with your first round pick, but you can lose it."
As long as you believe that it's about 95% luck then there's no need to discuss strategy. As for the quote, anyone that has some experience realizes there's no need to take chances in the first round. Not sure why you think that's the only option after Rudi. :blackdot:
I said once you get to the playoffs it's basically a crap shoot.And, I don't get your Rudi reference... :bag:
 
In a redraft, it's hard to fault anyone for ranking Rudi Johnson as the 4th RB, after LT LJ & SJ. He is pretty much a lock for 1200yds rushing and 10TD (three seasons of 1300+yd and 12tds running). He won't get you 1800 total yards and 20 TD, but he also won't drop a goose egg and have <1000yd and <6td. Rudi is also going to be 28, and not over 30 like Alexander.In Cincy, there's no major coaching/coordinator change or new systems, whereas players like Gore & Parker, in the hands of new systems/coaches, have a bit more variability in their output.Consistency and not having a bust with your 1st round pick is pretty important in a redraft league.
I guess you can play it safe but if you take that approach during the draft you might find yourslef with a nice team.......in 2nd place.
You seem to forget that once playoff time comes it's about 95% luck. I made the championship in 4 of my 5 pay leagues last year, and despite having the better team in at least 3, I didn't win a single one of them.
But you need to be sure you hit on your 2nd thru 6th round picks in order to make this strategy pay off.
Well, no kidding. That's true to make any strategy pay off.Like the old saying goes, "You can't win a league with your first round pick, but you can lose it."
As long as you believe that it's about 95% luck then there's no need to discuss strategy. As for the quote, anyone that has some experience realizes there's no need to take chances in the first round. Not sure why you think that's the only option after Rudi. :thumbup:
I said once you get to the playoffs it's basically a crap shoot.And, I don't get your Rudi reference... :confused:
Rudi was the discussion point earlier. Guess that's not what you were saying and I missed it. Sorry. As for the luck piece, I'm not one to subscribe to that either. I've won quite a few championships and have been witness to many others and they are not usually a crap shoot. They win because they put themselves in a position to win. I've seen luck play a role but it's the exception rather than the rule and that's why I disagree with the notion it's a crap shoot.FWIW-I've seen many on this board say that same thing regarding the luck factor. They're usually on the losing end and that's how they see it.
 
I also like that Rudi had somewhat of a down year to many...low y.p.c and a long run of only 22...but half of his OL was hurt at times and he always has one of the toughest run scheds in the league every year...

Yeah, they lost a few reivers, but who was Housh before Palmer started slinging him the rock...CP is back and healthy...the OL couldn't be worse then last year and Rudi will be Rudi...

 
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Addai #13 RB last year.Addai - 1 game vs. Philly = RB # 28Take him at the 6 hole? :whistle:
Sounds like you're basing this on 1 game. Do you give any consideration as to what has changed? Do this year's circumstances play any factor as to where you might draft him? Where would you draft him, if at all?
 
:thumbup: :unsure: :lmao:

two words:

Norv Turner.

without Turner, Gore's numbers should take a HUGE dip..then there's the injury concerns.

I wouldn't rank Gore in the top 10..
:goodposting: This sounds kind of familiar...

"LJ lost his head coach, O-Coordinator, a lineman, and his FB. His numbers are going to take a HUGE dip. he's not in the top 10..."

:goodposting:

 
westbrook

receptions for big yards

runs for big yards

most important part of the eagles offense

he may not get 20 carries a game with buck and hunt but he doesn't need it when he wheels in 20yd catches for a TD or breaks a 20+ yd rush for a TD weekly

 

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