70 Percent of Ground Beef at Supermarkets Contains ‘Pink Slime’ (1 Viewer)

[Chaka]

Anybody get sick from it?We eat proteins, fats and carbohydrates. I've lived in countries where they eat liver, kidneys, entrails, sweetbreads, heart, tripe and other offal. It was good nutrition, for them.So it is in hamburger. Anybody get sick from it?Or do you think meat comes from veggie farms?

Not getting immediately sick does not mean it's healthy. Generally speaking organ meats are extremely nutritious and healthy.

 

[GregR]

This is gross, but how is it due to deregulation?

It might be more accurate to say that it's due to regulation rather than to deregulation.Under common law principles, I think it would be a tort to add a cheap filler to something being sold as 100% ground beef. (There's still a question of whether pink slime should be categorized as ground beef or a filler, but I'd trust a judge to make that call more than I'd trust a bureaucrat since judges are harder to buy.)

But often worth the extra cost.

 

[DiStefano]

This is gross, but how is it due to deregulation?

It might be more accurate to say that it's due to regulation rather than to deregulation.Under common law principles, I think it would be a tort to add a cheap filler to something being sold as 100% ground beef. (There's still a question of whether pink slime should be categorized as ground beef or a filler, but I'd trust a judge to make that call more than I'd trust a bureaucrat since judges are harder to buy.)

But often worth the extra cost.

Yes, because you don't usually have to provide a director's job when they finish their stint.

 

[pantagrapher]

I've lived in countries where they eat liver, kidneys, entrails, sweetbreads, heart, tripe and other offal. It was good nutrition, for them.

Sounds like every fine dining restaurant I've ever been in.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

The pink slime does not have to appear on the label because, over objections of its own scientists, USDA officials with links to the beef industry labeled it meat.

I don't think you know what "deregulation" means.Edit: The term you're looking for is probably "regulatory capture," which is an entirely different issue than deregulation.

 

[ivnabru]

So we can't tell the difference in taste and the health factors are pretty much the same? What's the problem? You can take my pink slime from my cold dead hands!

 

[Parrothead]

So we can't tell the difference in taste and the health factors are pretty much the same? What's the problem? You can take my pink slime from my cold dead hands!

I see what you are doing here

 

[shadyridr]

So government officials are corrupt and it's the fault of corporations?

Fixed.

Wat

Pink slime filler

 

[kentric]

Makes me that much happier that we use venison as our #1 meat source.

Same here, but with Possum. Once you get the little bits of gravel out of the little suckers they're very tasty.

 

[ericttspikes]

The “pink slime” does not have to appear on the label because, over objections of its own scientists, USDA officials with links to the beef industry labeled it meat.

I don't think you know what "deregulation" means.Edit: The term you're looking for is probably "regulatory capture," which is an entirely different issue than deregulation.

Fair enough. I've also heard the term "Stealth Deregulation", the enacting of regulation to weaken government rules that protect consumers, environment, etc. The practice of handing over regulatory agencies to the industries it's meant to regulate has been going on for a while. The fox watching the hen house mentality.I think it's an interesting debate and can understand both sides. There are plenty of people who don't want any regulators of anything, like Ron Paul. I think it's a fine line and do believe there probably is a bunch of unneeded red tape that hinders development and growth, but find it especially perverse for private industries to get their guys on the inside for taxpayers to pay their salaries and in turn have protections weakened for monetary reward.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

The practice of handing over regulatory agencies to the industries it's meant to regulate has been going on for a while. The fox watching the hen house mentality.

Exactly, and this is a really good reason for why regulation often isn't as good an idea as it might appear on paper. In some cases -- possibly this one -- it's actually counter-productive.

 

[Chaka]

So we can't tell the difference in taste and the health factors are pretty much the same? What's the problem? You can take my pink slime from my cold dead hands!

Not sure why you think that. Just because it doesn't cause you to drop dead immediately does not mean the health factors are the same as 100% ground beef.

 

[Godsbrother]

So we can't tell the difference in taste and the health factors are pretty much the same? What's the problem? You can take my pink slime from my cold dead hands!

Not sure why you think that. Just because it doesn't cause you to drop dead immediately does not mean the health factors are the same as 100% ground beef.

My problem is that it has been disclosed on the package. When you go to the grocery store and buy a package of ground beef you expect that the only thing in it is beef that has been ground in a grinder. Adding anything, including pink slime, and not revealing it on the package is (or should be) fraud.

 

[ivnabru]

So we can't tell the difference in taste and the health factors are pretty much the same? What's the problem? You can take my pink slime from my cold dead hands!

Not sure why you think that. Just because it doesn't cause you to drop dead immediately does not mean the health factors are the same as 100% ground beef.

Pink slime in beef is basically just the trimmings right? Isn't it good to use the whole cow? They could throw hooves and fur in there and as long as it tasted the same I wouldn't care. Of course I eat beef maybe once a month.

 

[Flying V]

The “pink slime” is made by gathering waste trimmings, simmering them at low heat so the fat separates easily from the muscle, and spinning the trimmings using a centrifuge to complete the separation. Next, the mixture is sent through pipes where it is sprayed with ammonia gas to kill bacteria. The process is completed by packaging the meat into bricks. Then, it is frozen and shipped to grocery stores and meat packers, where it is added to most ground beef.

Hard to believe all that expense and effort makes for a cheaper bottom line.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I agree with everybody else saying that this is really all about fraud. If I go to the store to buy a package of pink slime, I want to know that my slime hasn't been contaminated by with ground beef.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Mmm Soylent Pink

 

[kface]

Government could be so helpful if only someone would step up and get big business out of it. It seems to me most regulations/deregulations nowadays are the bequest of government and really end up just being stupid legislation. I look at the recent spate of 'ag-gag' laws that are coming out...

 

[renesauz]

This is gross, but how is it due to deregulation?

It might be more accurate to say that it's due to regulation rather than to deregulation.Under common law principles, I think it would be a tort to add a cheap filler to something being sold as 100% ground beef. (There's still a question of whether pink slime should be categorized as ground beef or a filler, but I'd trust a judge to make that call more than I'd trust a bureaucrat since judges are harder to buy.)

Based on the procedure described...isn't it still beef?It sounds gross, but I don't get the outrage...it's certainly no worse than the crap in hot dogs and sausages.

 

[renesauz]

So we can't tell the difference in taste and the health factors are pretty much the same? What's the problem? You can take my pink slime from my cold dead hands!

Not sure why you think that. Just because it doesn't cause you to drop dead immediately does not mean the health factors are the same as 100% ground beef.

My problem is that it has been disclosed on the package. When you go to the grocery store and buy a package of ground beef you expect that the only thing in it is beef that has been ground in a grinder. Adding anything, including pink slime, and not revealing it on the package is (or should be) fraud.

WOW...did you actually read how it's made? IT IS STILL BEEF!

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

/Homer Simpson/

mmm pink slime.....

/Homer Simpson/

 

[Clinton]

Makes me that much happier that we use venison as our #1 meat source.

Same here, but with Possum. Once you get the little bits of gravel out of the little suckers they're very tasty.

I'd love to try some. You hunt your own?

 

[footballnerd]

According to this documentary its thanks to Earl Butz and the Farm Bill of 1973. Beef these days comes from subsidized corn with little (nutritional) value but to make food cheaper for americans. add that to the being a huge percentage of what our USDA beef is fed in their huge animal confinement facilities, it makes the quality of beef cheap and substantially fatty compared to grazing cows (and pink slimy apparently). on top of that these cows never would survive on this feed if it weren't for the mercy of the slaughterhouse, they need to be juiced up with hormones and anitbodies so they can even live that long. but hey, the american family's percentage of their income spent on food has never been lower, thanks to government subsidized corn. King KORN!!. If you don't think "cheap" and "more" are two words valued (subsidized) by the USDA, seek the words of Earl Butz.

Grass is more nutritional than corn?

documentary explains how the genetic hybrid corn used now for animal feed (and high fructose corn syrup) is stripped of all its genetic nutritional value to produce huge yields per acre over quality. pretty interesting.

 

[DiStefano]

According to this documentary its thanks to Earl Butz and the Farm Bill of 1973. Beef these days comes from subsidized corn with little (nutritional) value but to make food cheaper for americans. add that to the being a huge percentage of what our USDA beef is fed in their huge animal confinement facilities, it makes the quality of beef cheap and substantially fatty compared to grazing cows (and pink slimy apparently). on top of that these cows never would survive on this feed if it weren't for the mercy of the slaughterhouse, they need to be juiced up with hormones and anitbodies so they can even live that long. but hey, the american family's percentage of their income spent on food has never been lower, thanks to government subsidized corn. King KORN!!. If you don't think "cheap" and "more" are two words valued (subsidized) by the USDA, seek the words of Earl Butz.

Grass is more nutritional than corn?

documentary explains how the genetic hybrid corn used now for animal feed (and high fructose corn syrup) is stripped of all its genetic nutritional value to produce huge yields per acre over quality. pretty interesting.

You just lost the argument. Hyperbole sucks, sometimes.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

This is gross, but how is it due to deregulation?

It might be more accurate to say that it's due to regulation rather than to deregulation.Under common law principles, I think it would be a tort to add a cheap filler to something being sold as 100% ground beef. (There's still a question of whether pink slime should be categorized as ground beef or a filler, but I'd trust a judge to make that call more than I'd trust a bureaucrat since judges are harder to buy.)

Based on the procedure described...isn't it still beef?

I don't think it qualifies as ground beef. To me, ground beef consists of primal cuts of muscle meat (round, chuck, etc.) that has been minced in a meat grinder. Not trimmings requiring industrial extraction methods and industrial chemicals as part of their processing. Your mileage may vary.

 

[NCCommish]

According to this documentary its thanks to Earl Butz and the Farm Bill of 1973. Beef these days comes from subsidized corn with little (nutritional) value but to make food cheaper for americans. add that to the being a huge percentage of what our USDA beef is fed in their huge animal confinement facilities, it makes the quality of beef cheap and substantially fatty compared to grazing cows (and pink slimy apparently). on top of that these cows never would survive on this feed if it weren't for the mercy of the slaughterhouse, they need to be juiced up with hormones and anitbodies so they can even live that long. but hey, the american family's percentage of their income spent on food has never been lower, thanks to government subsidized corn. King KORN!!. If you don't think "cheap" and "more" are two words valued (subsidized) by the USDA, seek the words of Earl Butz.

Grass is more nutritional than corn?

documentary explains how the genetic hybrid corn used now for animal feed (and high fructose corn syrup) is stripped of all its genetic nutritional value to produce huge yields per acre over quality. pretty interesting.

You just lost the argument. Hyperbole sucks, sometimes.

That isn't hyperbole at all. Millions of acres of corn are grown each year that are entirely unsuitable for food until it is processed. The farmers can't walk out their door and pick a cobb to eat. That's reality so maybe it's you who lost something here.

 

[footballnerd]

According to this documentary its thanks to Earl Butz and the Farm Bill of 1973. Beef these days comes from subsidized corn with little (nutritional) value but to make food cheaper for americans. add that to the being a huge percentage of what our USDA beef is fed in their huge animal confinement facilities, it makes the quality of beef cheap and substantially fatty compared to grazing cows (and pink slimy apparently). on top of that these cows never would survive on this feed if it weren't for the mercy of the slaughterhouse, they need to be juiced up with hormones and anitbodies so they can even live that long. but hey, the american family's percentage of their income spent on food has never been lower, thanks to government subsidized corn. King KORN!!. If you don't think "cheap" and "more" are two words valued (subsidized) by the USDA, seek the words of Earl Butz.

Grass is more nutritional than corn?

documentary explains how the genetic hybrid corn used now for animal feed (and high fructose corn syrup) is stripped of all its genetic nutritional value to produce huge yields per acre over quality. pretty interesting.

You just lost the argument. Hyperbole sucks, sometimes.

I'd advise you look further than just my brief summary, my words don't do the research justice

 

[shadyridr]

So we can't tell the difference in taste and the health factors are pretty much the same? What's the problem? You can take my pink slime from my cold dead hands!

Not sure why you think that. Just because it doesn't cause you to drop dead immediately does not mean the health factors are the same as 100% ground beef.

My problem is that it has been disclosed on the package. When you go to the grocery store and buy a package of ground beef you expect that the only thing in it is beef that has been ground in a grinder. Adding anything, including pink slime, and not revealing it on the package is (or should be) fraud.

WOW...did you actually read how it's made? IT IS STILL BEEF!

treated with AMMONIA

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

This is gross, but how is it due to deregulation?

It might be more accurate to say that it's due to regulation rather than to deregulation.Under common law principles, I think it would be a tort to add a cheap filler to something being sold as 100% ground beef. (There's still a question of whether pink slime should be categorized as ground beef or a filler, but I'd trust a judge to make that call more than I'd trust a bureaucrat since judges are harder to buy.)

Based on the procedure described...isn't it still beef?

I don't think it qualifies as ground beef. To me, ground beef consists of primal cuts of muscle meat (round, chuck, etc.) that has been minced in a meat grinder. Not trimmings requiring industrial extraction methods and industrial chemicals as part of their processing. Your mileage may vary.

I think if you're going to add pink slime, maybe you can call it "hamburger meat." I just don't think you can tall it "100% ground beef."

 

[netnalp]

I buy steaks and roasts and grind them to make my own ground beef. I got tired when the ground beef I'd buy at the store seemed to have a 1/2 inch layer of fresh red ground beef laid on top of older ground beef that has turned brown or grayish. They shouldn't be allowed to sell packages of meat that have been ground on different days.

Read the book, The Jungle to learn how meat was before regulations. Really nasty stuff.

 

[Borat]

So government officials are corrupt and it's the fault of corporations?

 

[parasaurolophus]

If it is safe and helps keep the cost of ground beef down I don't see the big deal.

 

[Borat]

If it is safe and helps keep the cost of ground beef down I don't see the big deal.

A certain percentage of the beef is allowed to be rat feces. It's a small enough percentage that it's still considered safe. Still on board?

 

[Jobber]

According to this documentary its thanks to Earl Butz and the Farm Bill of 1973. Beef these days comes from subsidized corn with little (nutritional) value but to make food cheaper for americans. add that to the being a huge percentage of what our USDA beef is fed in their huge animal confinement facilities, it makes the quality of beef cheap and substantially fatty compared to grazing cows (and pink slimy apparently). on top of that these cows never would survive on this feed if it weren't for the mercy of the slaughterhouse, they need to be juiced up with hormones and anitbodies so they can even live that long. but hey, the american family's percentage of their income spent on food has never been lower, thanks to government subsidized corn. King KORN!!. If you don't think "cheap" and "more" are two words valued (subsidized) by the USDA, seek the words of Earl Butz.

Grass is more nutritional than corn?

documentary explains how the genetic hybrid corn used now for animal feed (and high fructose corn syrup) is stripped of all its genetic nutritional value to produce huge yields per acre over quality. pretty interesting.

You just lost the argument. Hyperbole sucks, sometimes.

That isn't hyperbole at all. Millions of acres of corn are grown each year that are entirely unsuitable for food until it is processed. The farmers can't walk out their door and pick a cobb to eat. That's reality so maybe it's you who lost something here.

There are many documentaries which touch on this subject. Two off the top of my head are King Corn and Food, Inc. What little beef we do eat at my house is grass fed organic.

 

[DiStefano]

According to this documentary its thanks to Earl Butz and the Farm Bill of 1973. Beef these days comes from subsidized corn with little (nutritional) value but to make food cheaper for americans. add that to the being a huge percentage of what our USDA beef is fed in their huge animal confinement facilities, it makes the quality of beef cheap and substantially fatty compared to grazing cows (and pink slimy apparently). on top of that these cows never would survive on this feed if it weren't for the mercy of the slaughterhouse, they need to be juiced up with hormones and anitbodies so they can even live that long. but hey, the american family's percentage of their income spent on food has never been lower, thanks to government subsidized corn. King KORN!!. If you don't think "cheap" and "more" are two words valued (subsidized) by the USDA, seek the words of Earl Butz.

Grass is more nutritional than corn?

documentary explains how the genetic hybrid corn used now for animal feed (and high fructose corn syrup) is stripped of all its genetic nutritional value to produce huge yields per acre over quality. pretty interesting.

You just lost the argument. Hyperbole sucks, sometimes.

That isn't hyperbole at all. Millions of acres of corn are grown each year that are entirely unsuitable for food until it is processed. The farmers can't walk out their door and pick a cobb to eat. That's reality so maybe it's you who lost something here.

There are many documentaries which touch on this subject. Two off the top of my head are King Corn and Food, Inc. What little beef we do eat at my house is grass fed organic.

Sorry, but whenever you say "all" in plant genetics, you're on shaky ground. In fact, many pre-Columbian forms of corn were unsuitable for consumption unless they were processed in some way. Most of them were not "sweet corn" which is the kind you can walk out of your back door and pick and eat.

 

[Chaka]

So we can't tell the difference in taste and the health factors are pretty much the same? What's the problem? You can take my pink slime from my cold dead hands!

Not sure why you think that. Just because it doesn't cause you to drop dead immediately does not mean the health factors are the same as 100% ground beef.

My problem is that it has been disclosed on the package. When you go to the grocery store and buy a package of ground beef you expect that the only thing in it is beef that has been ground in a grinder. Adding anything, including pink slime, and not revealing it on the package is (or should be) fraud.

WOW...did you actually read how it's made? IT IS STILL BEEF!

Did you read how it's made?

 

[Chaka]

According to this documentary its thanks to Earl Butz and the Farm Bill of 1973. Beef these days comes from subsidized corn with little (nutritional) value but to make food cheaper for americans. add that to the being a huge percentage of what our USDA beef is fed in their huge animal confinement facilities, it makes the quality of beef cheap and substantially fatty compared to grazing cows (and pink slimy apparently). on top of that these cows never would survive on this feed if it weren't for the mercy of the slaughterhouse, they need to be juiced up with hormones and anitbodies so they can even live that long. but hey, the american family's percentage of their income spent on food has never been lower, thanks to government subsidized corn. King KORN!!. If you don't think "cheap" and "more" are two words valued (subsidized) by the USDA, seek the words of Earl Butz.

Grass is more nutritional than corn?

documentary explains how the genetic hybrid corn used now for animal feed (and high fructose corn syrup) is stripped of all its genetic nutritional value to produce huge yields per acre over quality. pretty interesting.

You just lost the argument. Hyperbole sucks, sometimes.

No he didn't. Grass is what cows are evolutionarily designed to eat when they are fed corn they get sick and die regardless of where the corn comes from. CAFO cows get so sick they are given regular doses of antibiotics to keep them alive long enough for slaughter. I know you're a big ag guy but I am still waiting for one single coherent argument from you defending your stance.

 

[Chaka]

If it is safe and helps keep the cost of ground beef down I don't see the big deal.

People are consistently confusing something being not immediately poisonous with being safe.

 

[Christo]

If it is safe and helps keep the cost of ground beef down I don't see the big deal.

A certain percentage of the beef is allowed to be rat feces. It's a small enough percentage that it's still considered safe. Still on board?

How much would ground beef cost if the beef producers had to guaranty 100% ground beef?

 

[DiStefano]

According to this documentary its thanks to Earl Butz and the Farm Bill of 1973. Beef these days comes from subsidized corn with little (nutritional) value but to make food cheaper for americans. add that to the being a huge percentage of what our USDA beef is fed in their huge animal confinement facilities, it makes the quality of beef cheap and substantially fatty compared to grazing cows (and pink slimy apparently). on top of that these cows never would survive on this feed if it weren't for the mercy of the slaughterhouse, they need to be juiced up with hormones and anitbodies so they can even live that long. but hey, the american family's percentage of their income spent on food has never been lower, thanks to government subsidized corn. King KORN!!. If you don't think "cheap" and "more" are two words valued (subsidized) by the USDA, seek the words of Earl Butz.

Grass is more nutritional than corn?

documentary explains how the genetic hybrid corn used now for animal feed (and high fructose corn syrup) is stripped of all its genetic nutritional value to produce huge yields per acre over quality. pretty interesting.

You just lost the argument. Hyperbole sucks, sometimes.

No he didn't. Grass is what cows are evolutionarily designed to eat when they are fed corn they get sick and die regardless of where the corn comes from. CAFO cows get so sick they are given regular doses of antibiotics to keep them alive long enough for slaughter. I know you're a big ag guy but I am still waiting for one single coherent argument from you defending your stance.

I hate to puncture your balloon, but corn is a grass.

 

[Chaka]

According to this documentary its thanks to Earl Butz and the Farm Bill of 1973. Beef these days comes from subsidized corn with little (nutritional) value but to make food cheaper for americans. add that to the being a huge percentage of what our USDA beef is fed in their huge animal confinement facilities, it makes the quality of beef cheap and substantially fatty compared to grazing cows (and pink slimy apparently). on top of that these cows never would survive on this feed if it weren't for the mercy of the slaughterhouse, they need to be juiced up with hormones and anitbodies so they can even live that long. but hey, the american family's percentage of their income spent on food has never been lower, thanks to government subsidized corn. King KORN!!. If you don't think "cheap" and "more" are two words valued (subsidized) by the USDA, seek the words of Earl Butz.

Grass is more nutritional than corn?

documentary explains how the genetic hybrid corn used now for animal feed (and high fructose corn syrup) is stripped of all its genetic nutritional value to produce huge yields per acre over quality. pretty interesting.

You just lost the argument. Hyperbole sucks, sometimes.

No he didn't. Grass is what cows are evolutionarily designed to eat when they are fed corn they get sick and die regardless of where the corn comes from. CAFO cows get so sick they are given regular doses of antibiotics to keep them alive long enough for slaughter. I know you're a big ag guy but I am still waiting for one single coherent argument from you defending your stance.

I hate to puncture your balloon, but corn is a grass.

Which does not change the fact that cows cannot properly digest it and when they are fed it they get sick and die.

 

[parasaurolophus]

If it is safe and helps keep the cost of ground beef down I don't see the big deal.

People are consistently confusing something being not immediately poisonous with being safe.

I'll take a link to the proof that this is dangerous.

 

[parasaurolophus]

If it is safe and helps keep the cost of ground beef down I don't see the big deal.

A certain percentage of the beef is allowed to be rat feces. It's a small enough percentage that it's still considered safe. Still on board?

 

[Billy Bats]

Safeway has decided to stop carrying the pink slime, as well as other supermarket chains...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/the-continuing-saga-of-pink-slime-second-largest-grocery-chain-in-u-s-says-goodbye-to-finely-textured-beef/

 

[Borat]

If it is safe and helps keep the cost of ground beef down I don't see the big deal.

A certain percentage of the beef is allowed to be rat feces. It's a small enough percentage that it's still considered safe. Still on board?

How much would ground beef cost if the beef producers had to guaranty 100% ground beef?

I don't know, but put me down for 5 pounds a week.

 

[jon_mx]

Once Obama care kicks in with his death panels, it will be soylent green for everyone!

 

[Christo]

If it is safe and helps keep the cost of ground beef down I don't see the big deal.

A certain percentage of the beef is allowed to be rat feces. It's a small enough percentage that it's still considered safe. Still on board?

How much would ground beef cost if the beef producers had to guaranty 100% ground beef?

I don't know, but put me down for 5 pounds a week.

Of course, you're a FBG.But what about the children?

 

[gsmayes]

So people in this thread say regulation is bad because said companies being regulated cheat the system sometimes? Really? That's some impressive mental gymnastics right there. What's your answer then, since these companies clearly don't want to self regulate. Oh that's right, let the market decide, the right's favorite phrase. Well, what if the market can't make an informed decision 90% of the time? Because John Q Public doesn't have the resources to investigate every little thing in their everyday lives. That's why we have the press aka lame stream media, right? Except investigative reporting is expensive and time consuming when no company is forced to grant access. Not to mention the media is mostly owned by giant corporations that also probably have their hands dirty in something else. Hey, I've got an idea! How about we pool our resources, collectively, and get one knowledgeable dude, or maybe a group of dudes. We can call them experts! They can be on that ####, like a boss, making sure nobody is feeding us poison, and I'll have time to go to Timmy's soccer match. Wait a minute...THAT'S THE GOBENMENT! THE GOBENMENT IS BAD! THEY MAKE ME GIVE THEM MONEY SO I DON'T GET POISONED!!!

 

[Borat]

If it is safe and helps keep the cost of ground beef down I don't see the big deal.

A certain percentage of the beef is allowed to be rat feces. It's a small enough percentage that it's still considered safe. Still on board?

How much would ground beef cost if the beef producers had to guaranty 100% ground beef?

I don't know, but put me down for 5 pounds a week.

Of course, you're a FBG.But what about the children?

Didn't realize there were ground up children in the meat.Put me down for 10 pounds a week.

 

[tommyboy]

Just buy 1/4 steer from a farmer and get it butchered yourself