8 team league strategy? (1 Viewer)

[humpback]

Of course this team has potential, I didn't mean that it doesn't, but I just think quite a few things have to fall your way in order to be competetive. I like Calvin just as much as the next guy, and he obviously has a chance to be the #1 WR this year, but it's kind of hard to expect that right now. He wasn't even top 20 last year and he's missed some time in 2 of his 3 seasons so far. I know things look better for Detroit now, but it often takes a while for things to gel, so I expect some more growing pains. I think Stafford will be pretty good, but let's be honest- he was pretty dreadful last year, and he couldn't make it through the season healthy either. I think it's more likely that Calvin ends up as the #5-#10 WR this year, and that puts him at the bottom of #1's in this league. I own Crabtree as well (dynasty), but I'd be very happy with a top 15-20 season this year.

Rodgers is great, but again, there are a lot of good QB options. If he is as dominant as last year, that will be a good pick, but if he only finishes 1 or 2 points per game better than guys like Peyton, Brees, Schaub, Brady, and Romo (even Favre), then it will be a bad pick. I own Finey, love him, but same deal- would you honestly be shocked if he's "only" the #3 TE this year, with several guys right behind him?

I do like Mathews, but you'll be fortunate if he's a top 10 RB this year (and he doesn't hit the rookie wall right when you need him in the FF postseason). Really, I wouldn't be shocked if none of those RBs finish in the top 12 this year, and I would be shocked if more than 1 did.

I just did a 10 team redraft (I don't really like 10 teams even, but just did it with some friends), and here are the RB combo's-

CJ, Best, T. Jones, McGahee, Slaton, Gerhart

AP, Forte, Felix, Portis and LT

Rice, Wells, Charles, Caddy

MJD, Grant, Spiller, Reggie

Gore, Greene, Stewart, Harrison

Turner, Mathews, Jacobs, Sproles

Benson, Addai, R. Brown, D. Brown, Hightower

SJax, Moreno, McCoy, Forsett, McFadden, Hardesty

Mendy, M. Bush, Lynch

DeAngelo, Pierre Thomas, Foster, MBIII, Bradshaw

I'd probably take 9 out of these 10 combo's over his (and this was 10 teamer instead of 8). I'm only guessing, but it's likely his RBs are among worst in the league. He's going to need Rodgers/Finley to go absolutely nuts in order to make up the difference.

If you look at his roster, I think he has 3 top 10 seasons by all of his players combined (a couple more for Welker if it's a PPR). I'd like it a lot more if it were a dynasty, but I just think too many things have to fall into place immediately for this team to win next year.

 

[Vicktimized]

Of course this team has potential, I didn't mean that it doesn't, but I just think quite a few things have to fall your way in order to be competetive. I like Calvin just as much as the next guy, and he obviously has a chance to be the #1 WR this year, but it's kind of hard to expect that right now. He wasn't even top 20 last year and he's missed some time in 2 of his 3 seasons so far. I know things look better for Detroit now, but it often takes a while for things to gel, so I expect some more growing pains. I think Stafford will be pretty good, but let's be honest- he was pretty dreadful last year, and he couldn't make it through the season healthy either. I think it's more likely that Calvin ends up as the #5-#10 WR this year, and that puts him at the bottom of #1's in this league. I own Crabtree as well (dynasty), but I'd be very happy with a top 15-20 season this year.Rodgers is great, but again, there are a lot of good QB options. If he is as dominant as last year, that will be a good pick, but if he only finishes 1 or 2 points per game better than guys like Peyton, Brees, Schaub, Brady, and Romo (even Favre), then it will be a bad pick. I own Finey, love him, but same deal- would you honestly be shocked if he's "only" the #3 TE this year, with several guys right behind him?I do like Mathews, but you'll be fortunate if he's a top 10 RB this year (and he doesn't hit the rookie wall right when you need him in the FF postseason). Really, I wouldn't be shocked if none of those RBs finish in the top 12 this year, and I would be shocked if more than 1 did.I just did a 10 team redraft (I don't really like 10 teams even, but just did it with some friends), and here are the RB combo's- CJ, Best, T. Jones, McGahee, Slaton, GerhartAP, Forte, Felix, Portis and LTRice, Wells, Charles, CaddyMJD, Grant, Spiller, ReggieGore, Greene, Stewart, HarrisonTurner, Mathews, Jacobs, SprolesBenson, Addai, R. Brown, D. Brown, HightowerSJax, Moreno, McCoy, Forsett, McFadden, HardestyMendy, M. Bush, LynchDeAngelo, Pierre Thomas, Foster, MBIII, BradshawI'd probably take 9 out of these 10 combo's over his (and this was 10 teamer instead of 8). I'm only guessing, but it's likely his RBs are among worst in the league. He's going to need Rodgers/Finley to go absolutely nuts in order to make up the difference. If you look at his roster, I think he has 3 top 10 seasons by all of his players combined (a couple more for Welker if it's a PPR). I'd like it a lot more if it were a dynasty, but I just think too many things have to fall into place immediately for this team to win next year.

He's swinging the bat, no doubt. I just disagree that a team is awful because it lacks guys who have a lot of skins on the walll. Johnson, to me, is a slam dunk top 10 wr in that offense with his skills -- last season I chalk more up to having absolutely nothing around him than anything. As far as the rushing corps: I'm not a big Spiller fan. But Mathews and Foster are fine bets to finish in the top 12. When was the last time a Norv Turner rusher didn't do so? Foster looks to be in a plum situation to score 13 or 14 times.I guess I'm saying, sure, Rodgers and Finley might not destroy everyone in their wake, but they should at least present an advantage over most teams. And unless Mathews or Foster completely bust, they should keep this guy relevant at the very least at RB. I think coming out of draft day, most people would probsably rank his RBs low on the food chain, but that position is so fickle anyway and both of those guys are a rare commodity in that they'll get tons of touches. All the while he's covered at QB, TE and WR. Not the best team I've ever seen, maybe, but not awful.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Okay, cool. And I have to admit that overthinking is something I do in general way too much , so it is always good to get an outside perspective. Also, you are that adamant about CJ over AP at 1, eh?

Yeah. Peterson makes me wary. His performance dropped a lot last year, enough to make me wonder if he was hiding an injury. Also, Minnesota's offensive line is hugely overrated at this point, and I don't think Brett Favre manages to recapture the magic from last season (which means fewer TDs to go around and more defensive attention on Peterson). All in all, they're little things that wouldn't prevent me from drafting Peterson in the top 4... but which would prevent me from drafting him at #1 overall.

My concerns are similar. I have this feeling that the Vikings are not gonna recapture the magic of 2009 this season, and Peterson only had three 100-yard games last year. Factor in a possibly lesser offense resulting in less scoring chances, his fumbling problem, his YPC being down, and their line not being as good, and he just scares me a bit (as far as taking him first). I have a slight concern about CJ, as I think there is no way he does that again this year, but I still think he is a safer pick. He should still be good for big yardage and double digit scores, which makes him a better number 1 pick.

 

[humpback]

He's swinging the bat, no doubt. I just disagree that a team is awful because it lacks guys who have a lot of skins on the walll. Johnson, to me, is a slam dunk top 10 wr in that offense with his skills -- last season I chalk more up to having absolutely nothing around him than anything. As far as the rushing corps: I'm not a big Spiller fan. But Mathews and Foster are fine bets to finish in the top 12. When was the last time a Norv Turner rusher didn't do so? Foster looks to be in a plum situation to score 13 or 14 times.I guess I'm saying, sure, Rodgers and Finley might not destroy everyone in their wake, but they should at least present an advantage over most teams. And unless Mathews or Foster completely bust, they should keep this guy relevant at the very least at RB. I think coming out of draft day, most people would probsably rank his RBs low on the food chain, but that position is so fickle anyway and both of those guys are a rare commodity in that they'll get tons of touches. All the while he's covered at QB, TE and WR. Not the best team I've ever seen, maybe, but not awful.

I think Calvin is a likely top 10 WR, but not a slam dunk. Even if he finishes high, you have to remember that he drafted him as the #2 WR at #9 overall. If he finishes as the 5th or 6th WR, which is more likely than #1, then that wouldn't have been good value with the pick. Same with Finley- he drafted him #25 overall, I'm assuming as the #1 TE. There's a pretty good chance that one or more TEs will outscore him, and several others may finish only 1 or 2 points per game worse that were drafted several rounds later.I own Foster as well, but the Texans have had 1 RB rush for double digit TDs in their history, and that was back in 2004. Expecting him to score 13 or 14 times is asking for a LOT. The last time a Norv Turner RB rusher didn't finish in the top 12 was last season, lol. I like Mathews as well, but he is a rookie and isn't used to putting up with the rigors of a 16 game NFL season. I know, LT has been great for years, but LT isn't just any RB. I think he has a decent shot to be top 12, but again, that's bad when your best RB is a #2 RB for your league.He took Rodgers as the #1 QB, Calvin as the #2 WR, and Finley as the #1 TE (I'm assuming). Unless these guys really outperform just about everyone else at their positions, there isn't much upside with these picks, but a lot of downside. I think he's at a big time disadvantage at the RB position, and his WRs are probably middle of the road. I think relying on so many young unproven guys in a redraft is asking for trouble. I don't have a problem with the Rodgers pick, but being the first or second guy to take a WR or TE is very risky, especially when there isn't a clear cut advantage there.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I think Calvin is a likely top 10 WR, but not a slam dunk. Even if he finishes high, you have to remember that he drafted him as the #2 WR at #9 overall. If he finishes as the 5th or 6th WR, which is more likely than #1, then that wouldn't have been good value with the pick. Same with Finley- he drafted him #25 overall, I'm assuming as the #1 TE. There's a pretty good chance that one or more TEs will outscore him, and several others may finish only 1 or 2 points per game worse that were drafted several rounds later.

The way I see it, a guy doesn't have to finish exactly where you drafted him in accordance with others at his position to get good value out of him, 100% of the time. For example, say I take Chris Johnson first, and he goes for 2,000 total yards, 13 TDs, and finishes as the 3rd best RB. Would you say I didn't get proper value for him? I would say I did, since he still finished high enough to be a high first round pick.

 

[groomsie]

You guys are giving me some interesting ideas to mull over. I am in a keeper league weighted heavily toward touchdowns and have kept C.Johnson for a 12th round pick. We just reorganized and the league is 8 teams. I have the 4th pick and was planning on take A.Johnson first. However, my final analysis last night surprised me to find that while AJ is a good pick, A.Rodgers may be better. I've always been known as a heavy RB drafter so taking a WR first would make people think I'd had a few too many to start--if I took a QB first they'd cut me off and call a ride for me. Other players kept:

QB --> Schaub, Rivers

RB --> Gore, Rice, Mendenhall, Moreno, Benson, Stewart (I have CJ)

WR --> Marshall

So, as you can see 2 of the top 7 are gone at QB, and I expect AP & MJD to go before me. Another player will also go and it could be Rodgers (we live in Wisconsin), but I'd guess Turner or Brees given who it is drafting. Given the lay of things I figured I could take AJ in the first and then probably target another WR (CalJ, Austin, Wayne, or White not necessarily in that order) in round 2. I think it possible that Romo may be there in round 3.

Given that, I still think taking WR makes more sense than QB, especially where I have a stud RB locked. But you have given me material to mull over...

 

[humpback]

I think Calvin is a likely top 10 WR, but not a slam dunk. Even if he finishes high, you have to remember that he drafted him as the #2 WR at #9 overall. If he finishes as the 5th or 6th WR, which is more likely than #1, then that wouldn't have been good value with the pick. Same with Finley- he drafted him #25 overall, I'm assuming as the #1 TE. There's a pretty good chance that one or more TEs will outscore him, and several others may finish only 1 or 2 points per game worse that were drafted several rounds later.

The way I see it, a guy doesn't have to finish exactly where you drafted him in accordance with others at his position to get good value out of him, 100% of the time. For example, say I take Chris Johnson first, and he goes for 2,000 total yards, 13 TDs, and finishes as the 3rd best RB. Would you say I didn't get proper value for him? I would say I did, since he still finished high enough to be a high first round pick.

I agree with this in a dynasty, but in a redraft, it's a bit more cut and dried. In your scenario, who has the advantage, you with CJ or the two guys who used a lower pick but who got better production? You obviously would've been better off selecting the two RBs who finished ahead of him with that pick. It's about having an advantage, and everytime one of your draft picks underperforms his draft slot, you lose the advantage and other teams gain it. You may not have gotten bad value, but at least 2 other teams got better value, and that's a decent % of the league in an 8-teamer. It's possible several owners got better value, depending on how far back their RBs finished and how much lower they were drafted (see below).Also, it's not so much what place they finish in, it's more about how they finish relative to the other players at their position. Finley could end up as the #1 TE, but still be a bad pick if he's only 20 points higher than the #6 TE that was selected 8 rounds later. That's not enough of an advantage to warrant using the #25 overall pick on him.

Whenever you're selecting a player #1 or #2 overall at their position, there isn't a lot of room for error. Rodgers has the best chance of "not disappointing" IMO, but I don't think Calvin and Finley are likely to justify their draft position. There is a lot more downside than upside there, the risk/reward doesn't add up IMO.

 

[SSOG]

He took Rodgers as the #1 QB, Calvin as the #2 WR, and Finley as the #1 TE (I'm assuming). Unless these guys really outperform just about everyone else at their positions, there isn't much upside with these picks, but a lot of downside.

He took ________ as the #1 __, _________ as the #2 __, and ________ as the #1 __. Unless those guys really outperform just about everyone else at their positions, there isn't much upside with these picks, but a lot of downside.You could fill in the blanks however you want and that statement remains 100% true. So... what, are you advocating not being the first or second person to draft anyone at any position? If you had the #1 overall pick, would you just pass twice so you could take the third RB off the board to increase your upside and lessen your downside?

 

[Big Rocks]

Anybody have any completed 8 team drafts that they would like to share?

 

[firstseason1988]

I didn't look at others responses, but I play in an 8 team league every year. RBs are easy to come by, the tiers of WRs are spread out. Grab top WRs and you will be money, pleny of RBs to go around, get a top TE and don't be scared to grab a top QB but don't overpay, I mean consistent, I would say Rodgers, Brees and P Manning you know will produce, if they are gone... wait until much later.

 

[SSOG]

Anybody have any completed 8 team drafts that they would like to share?

Does anyone know how to export a list of drafted players from the DD and post it on the forums? I'd be happy to share my keeper draft if there was some way to do it other than typing it all out manually.

 

[jwb]

He took Rodgers as the #1 QB, Calvin as the #2 WR, and Finley as the #1 TE (I'm assuming). Unless these guys really outperform just about everyone else at their positions, there isn't much upside with these picks, but a lot of downside.

He took ________ as the #1 __, _________ as the #2 __, and ________ as the #1 __. Unless those guys really outperform just about everyone else at their positions, there isn't much upside with these picks, but a lot of downside.You could fill in the blanks however you want and that statement remains 100% true. So... what, are you advocating not being the first or second person to draft anyone at any position? If you had the #1 overall pick, would you just pass twice so you could take the third RB off the board to increase your upside and lessen your downside?

That's exactly what I was thinking - it made no sense. I mean, is he suggesting that I'd be happier with picking RB7 in the first, and having him perform at RB7 than I would be taking qb1 and having him perform as qb2? At the turn, I was faced with essentially Calvin/Fitz, Dwill/Turner, Rodgers/Peyton/Brees (who would all certainly go in the second or before my pick in the third). I personally saw Matthews closer in value to those two RB's than what would be left at wr/qb at the end of the third, and knew I could have him in the third. I didn't see another WR I liked as much as Calvin, nor another qb that I liked as much as Rodgers. If I miss on those, fine, but I'm puzzled that anyone would be so adamant that a RB (Turner or Dwill) was a mortal lock as a superior pick over Rodgers or Calvin... I really, really think not. I've generally drafted this way in this redraft for four years now, and have 2 titles, a second, and a third to show for it. In this 8-team league, starting by filling those 4 positions with who I feel are top players that year is waaay more important than VBD. In fact, the one year I finished third, I deviated and went wr/rb/wr/rb/rb, got "great value" with those last two RB's, and got killed at qb and te all year (I was lucky to finsih third). Outright conceding positions (especially "start 1 positions") loses in this league. Having studs at the top of each position with a "decent" second guy at wr/rb is the way to go. Very interesting thread.

 

[humpback]

He took Rodgers as the #1 QB, Calvin as the #2 WR, and Finley as the #1 TE (I'm assuming). Unless these guys really outperform just about everyone else at their positions, there isn't much upside with these picks, but a lot of downside.

He took ________ as the #1 __, _________ as the #2 __, and ________ as the #1 __. Unless those guys really outperform just about everyone else at their positions, there isn't much upside with these picks, but a lot of downside.You could fill in the blanks however you want and that statement remains 100% true. So... what, are you advocating not being the first or second person to draft anyone at any position? If you had the #1 overall pick, would you just pass twice so you could take the third RB off the board to increase your upside and lessen your downside?

Not what I mean- why do you think I said I understand the Rodgers pick, but not Calvin or Finley? Rodgers was the #1 QB last year and he outscored all other QBs by a good amount. He's the #1 QB on most people's lists and in ADP. Calvin is the #4 WR and Finley is the #3 TE in ADP right now. He reached for these guys, selected them higher than their ADP, and at positions where there is less of a variance even if they do outperform their ADP.What I'm saying is, I don't have a problem taking a guy #1 or #2 overall at his position if the situation dictates it. If a guy is clearly the #1 or #2 at his position, and/or there is a significant expected drop off in production after that player, then it makes perfect sense. Rodgers fits the bill. Calvin and Finley do not. They are actually expected to do worse than where he selected them, and the players behind them aren't expected to produce that much less than they are.

 

[humpback]

He took Rodgers as the #1 QB, Calvin as the #2 WR, and Finley as the #1 TE (I'm assuming). Unless these guys really outperform just about everyone else at their positions, there isn't much upside with these picks, but a lot of downside.

He took ________ as the #1 __, _________ as the #2 __, and ________ as the #1 __. Unless those guys really outperform just about everyone else at their positions, there isn't much upside with these picks, but a lot of downside.You could fill in the blanks however you want and that statement remains 100% true. So... what, are you advocating not being the first or second person to draft anyone at any position? If you had the #1 overall pick, would you just pass twice so you could take the third RB off the board to increase your upside and lessen your downside?

That's exactly what I was thinking - it made no sense. I mean, is he suggesting that I'd be happier with picking RB7 in the first, and having him perform at RB7 than I would be taking qb1 and having him perform as qb2? At the turn, I was faced with essentially Calvin/Fitz, Dwill/Turner, Rodgers/Peyton/Brees (who would all certainly go in the second or before my pick in the third). I personally saw Matthews closer in value to those two RB's than what would be left at wr/qb at the end of the third, and knew I could have him in the third. I didn't see another WR I liked as much as Calvin, nor another qb that I liked as much as Rodgers. If I miss on those, fine, but I'm puzzled that anyone would be so adamant that a RB (Turner or Dwill) was a mortal lock as a superior pick over Rodgers or Calvin... I really, really think not. I've generally drafted this way in this redraft for four years now, and have 2 titles, a second, and a third to show for it. In this 8-team league, starting by filling those 4 positions with who I feel are top players that year is waaay more important than VBD. In fact, the one year I finished third, I deviated and went wr/rb/wr/rb/rb, got "great value" with those last two RB's, and got killed at qb and te all year (I was lucky to finsih third). Outright conceding positions (especially "start 1 positions") loses in this league. Having studs at the top of each position with a "decent" second guy at wr/rb is the way to go. Very interesting thread.

Like I said, I didn't mean to bash your team or strategy, just giving my observations. It's entirely possible that you made good picks depending on the circumstances, but it doesn't appear so based on adp or projections. Of course, if Calvin and Finley blow away their projections, you'll probably be the one laughing in the end.I'd be interested to see your draft results and/or team rosters, but understand if you don't want to post them.

 

[Vicktimized]

He took Rodgers as the #1 QB, Calvin as the #2 WR, and Finley as the #1 TE (I'm assuming). Unless these guys really outperform just about everyone else at their positions, there isn't much upside with these picks, but a lot of downside.

He took ________ as the #1 __, _________ as the #2 __, and ________ as the #1 __. Unless those guys really outperform just about everyone else at their positions, there isn't much upside with these picks, but a lot of downside.You could fill in the blanks however you want and that statement remains 100% true. So... what, are you advocating not being the first or second person to draft anyone at any position? If you had the #1 overall pick, would you just pass twice so you could take the third RB off the board to increase your upside and lessen your downside?

That's exactly what I was thinking - it made no sense. I mean, is he suggesting that I'd be happier with picking RB7 in the first, and having him perform at RB7 than I would be taking qb1 and having him perform as qb2? At the turn, I was faced with essentially Calvin/Fitz, Dwill/Turner, Rodgers/Peyton/Brees (who would all certainly go in the second or before my pick in the third). I personally saw Matthews closer in value to those two RB's than what would be left at wr/qb at the end of the third, and knew I could have him in the third. I didn't see another WR I liked as much as Calvin, nor another qb that I liked as much as Rodgers. If I miss on those, fine, but I'm puzzled that anyone would be so adamant that a RB (Turner or Dwill) was a mortal lock as a superior pick over Rodgers or Calvin... I really, really think not. I've generally drafted this way in this redraft for four years now, and have 2 titles, a second, and a third to show for it. In this 8-team league, starting by filling those 4 positions with who I feel are top players that year is waaay more important than VBD. In fact, the one year I finished third, I deviated and went wr/rb/wr/rb/rb, got "great value" with those last two RB's, and got killed at qb and te all year (I was lucky to finsih third). Outright conceding positions (especially "start 1 positions") loses in this league. Having studs at the top of each position with a "decent" second guy at wr/rb is the way to go. Very interesting thread.

I've always believed the same: That in a smaller league, the urgency to make sure you get a great RB corps isn't there, simly because you can get good, mid tier guys later on with a great chance of busting into the top 10. Also noting: QBs and WRs seem to be more predictable year to year than RBs. I think in an eight team league, it's actually nice to nail down a stud te and qb b/c it'll give you a pretty decent advantage over at least the bottom half of the league -- which is a step to getting to the playoffs.The counter argument seems misguided. Yes, if Calvin finishes as WR 5 or Rodgers as QB 3, it's disappointing, but you still have a stud. But if Williams is drafted as RB 7 or 8 and finishes as RB 13, then not only is it disappointing, but you've got a mediocre franchise player. You'd need the RB to outplay his position.

 

[PRE42]

Anybody have any completed 8 team drafts that they would like to share?

RodgersCutlerGoreWhiteFosterBestFloydThomasStewartWallaceCrabtreeDezWinlsowCooleyyada yada yada

 

[humpback]

The best way to tell would be to see his actual draft, but here's one I pulled off of another site (all "humans"):

Team 1- CJ, Austin, White, Benson, SS (Car), Foster, Schaub, Flacco, Celek, S. Moss, Portis, Caddy, Aroma

Team 2- AP, Brees, Jennings, Charles, Colston, Finley, Addai, Maclin, Spiller, Wallace, Cutler, Ryan, Royal

Team 3- Rice, Calvin, Mathews, Romo, Gates, Pierre Thomas, Ocho, Nicks, MSW, Forsett, Housh, Tony G, Palmer, Edelman

Team 4- Turner, Fitz, Welker, Boldin, Stewart, Wells, Rivers, Hines Ward, Cooley, T. Jones, Dez, McFadden, McNabb

Team 5- AJ, Greene, DeAngelo, Peyton, Best, SS (NYG), Harvin, Bradshaw, LT, Floyd, TO, Favre, Shiancoe, Chester Taylor

Team 6- MJD, Rodgers, Marshall, Mendy, McCoy, Crabtree, Davis, Garcon, Driver, Reggie Bush, Knox, Kolb, Ricky, Mason, O. Daniels

Team 7- Gore, SJax, DJax, Grant, Brady, D. Clark, Moreno, R. Brown, VJax, Harrison, Slaton, Holmes, Breaston

Team 8- Moss, Wayne, Witten, Jacobs, Eli, Forte, Felix Jones, Bowe, MBIII, Hester, S. Rice, VY, M. Bush

 

[jwb]

He took Rodgers as the #1 QB, Calvin as the #2 WR, and Finley as the #1 TE (I'm assuming). Unless these guys really outperform just about everyone else at their positions, there isn't much upside with these picks, but a lot of downside.

He took ________ as the #1 __, _________ as the #2 __, and ________ as the #1 __. Unless those guys really outperform just about everyone else at their positions, there isn't much upside with these picks, but a lot of downside.You could fill in the blanks however you want and that statement remains 100% true. So... what, are you advocating not being the first or second person to draft anyone at any position? If you had the #1 overall pick, would you just pass twice so you could take the third RB off the board to increase your upside and lessen your downside?

That's exactly what I was thinking - it made no sense. I mean, is he suggesting that I'd be happier with picking RB7 in the first, and having him perform at RB7 than I would be taking qb1 and having him perform as qb2? At the turn, I was faced with essentially Calvin/Fitz, Dwill/Turner, Rodgers/Peyton/Brees (who would all certainly go in the second or before my pick in the third). I personally saw Matthews closer in value to those two RB's than what would be left at wr/qb at the end of the third, and knew I could have him in the third. I didn't see another WR I liked as much as Calvin, nor another qb that I liked as much as Rodgers. If I miss on those, fine, but I'm puzzled that anyone would be so adamant that a RB (Turner or Dwill) was a mortal lock as a superior pick over Rodgers or Calvin... I really, really think not. I've generally drafted this way in this redraft for four years now, and have 2 titles, a second, and a third to show for it. In this 8-team league, starting by filling those 4 positions with who I feel are top players that year is waaay more important than VBD. In fact, the one year I finished third, I deviated and went wr/rb/wr/rb/rb, got "great value" with those last two RB's, and got killed at qb and te all year (I was lucky to finsih third). Outright conceding positions (especially "start 1 positions") loses in this league. Having studs at the top of each position with a "decent" second guy at wr/rb is the way to go. Very interesting thread.

Like I said, I didn't mean to bash your team or strategy, just giving my observations. It's entirely possible that you made good picks depending on the circumstances, but it doesn't appear so based on adp or projections. Of course, if Calvin and Finley blow away their projections, you'll probably be the one laughing in the end.I'd be interested to see your draft results and/or team rosters, but understand if you don't want to post them.

The commish entered the teams manually after the fact, making the draft order is all skewed.eta: I never paid too much attention to ADP except to form basic tiers. I personally had Calvin at #2 wr, Rodgers at qb1, etc. I've been known to reach for guys I like, too

 

[Vicktimized]

The best way to tell would be to see his actual draft, but here's one I pulled off of another site (all "humans"):Team 1- CJ, Austin, White, Benson, SS (Car), Foster, Schaub, Flacco, Celek, S. Moss, Portis, Caddy, AromaTeam 2- AP, Brees, Jennings, Charles, Colston, Finley, Addai, Maclin, Spiller, Wallace, Cutler, Ryan, RoyalTeam 3- Rice, Calvin, Mathews, Romo, Gates, Pierre Thomas, Ocho, Nicks, MSW, Forsett, Housh, Tony G, Palmer, EdelmanTeam 4- Turner, Fitz, Welker, Boldin, Stewart, Wells, Rivers, Hines Ward, Cooley, T. Jones, Dez, McFadden, McNabbTeam 5- AJ, Greene, DeAngelo, Peyton, Best, SS (NYG), Harvin, Bradshaw, LT, Floyd, TO, Favre, Shiancoe, Chester TaylorTeam 6- MJD, Rodgers, Marshall, Mendy, McCoy, Crabtree, Davis, Garcon, Driver, Reggie Bush, Knox, Kolb, Ricky, Mason, O. DanielsTeam 7- Gore, SJax, DJax, Grant, Brady, D. Clark, Moreno, R. Brown, VJax, Harrison, Slaton, Holmes, BreastonTeam 8- Moss, Wayne, Witten, Jacobs, Eli, Forte, Felix Jones, Bowe, MBIII, Hester, S. Rice, VY, M. Bush

You'd have to compare him to teams 4, 7, and 8 I'd say since he was picking late and those are the comparable options. (I say 4 because, to me at least, MJD at 6 is like picking in the top 3 and he obviously didn't have that luxury).Vs. Team 8Rodgers crushes Eli.The Mathews/Foster backfield also is much better.This guy wins WRs by virtue of Wayne over Crabtree, and Moss probably edges Calvin.Finley wins at TE.Team 7:Gore and S Jax win RB pretty easily.He wins at WR with Cal and Crabtree over DeSean and ???Rodgers over Brady, though Brady there is a steal. TE's a push.Team 4Honestly, I like this guys RBs a bit better b/c I'd trust Foster a lot more than Stewart or Beanie. But it's arguable. Fitz, Welker and Boldin vs his guys are arguable again, I like CJ over Fitz, Boldin over Crabby ... Welker and Knox goes to healthy Welker obviously, but I don't really trust him.Rodgers beats RiversFinley beats Cooley.There are also a load of teams I like a lot better than his, because they're headlined by a true stud RB and were able to sit back and pluck guys to add to them from there. But if anything, this just tells me this guy got boned picking 7th in an eight teamer, and he did the best he could to get ahead of the AD/CJ/Rice teams whereever he could.

 

[humpback]

I just posted that draft because it was the most recent 8-teamer (with no computer picks) on the site at the time, not to say all those teams are better than his. But, I do think his would fall in the bottom half of that league. Here's another team drafting from the 8 spot- Rodgers, Turner, Fitz, Colston, Gates, Foster, Addai, Bowe, Floyd, Cuter, M. Bush, Berrian, etc. This is my opinion, but this team has same QB, better RBs, same or better WRs, same or better TE (Finley was taken after Gates in this draft, you could replace him if you wanted), etc.

Again, it's hard to make comparisons without seeing the teams in his league because every league is different. I just think that he would've been better off going with something like Rodgers and Turner, then DJax/Colston/Marshall/Jennings and Mathews, then Crabtree and Gates/Clark/Davis/Finley, then the rest. I think Turner, Mathews and Foster is much better than Mathews, Foster and Spiller. The TE's are virtually a wash this year- Finley's ADP is #44 overall, it's very possible he could've waited until next time around to get him. If not, he would've been able to get one of the others. Sure, he probably loses some going from Calvin to his #1 WR, but I think the RB upgrade will be a lot bigger than the WR downgrade.

I understand drafting at the turn is tough- if you really want a guy you sometimes have to reach because there are so many picks before you pick again. I just think you reached on 2 of your first 4 picks, and I don't think there was a need too. If it turns out you are right and Calvin and Finley were worth reaching for, then you should be good to go. Good luck!

 

[groomsie]

Drafted last night. 8 team with each allowed to keep up to 3 keepers for up to 2 years, with kept round moving up 2 each year kept. In my case I drafted Chris Johnson in 2008 in 16th (last) round, so this year is my least year keeping him and he is a 12th round pick. Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 D/ST, and 1 RB/WR/TE flex. Scoring is 4 points passing TD, 6 points all other TDs, 1 point for every 50 passing yards up to 250, then a point for every 25 passing yards beyond 250 (ie: 300 yards = 7 points), -1 point for fumbles lost / interceptions, 1 point for every 20 yards rushing or receiving, 2 points FG under 30 yards, 3 points FG 30-50 yards, 4 points FG over 50 yards, 1 point PAT. Defense gets 10 points for shutout, 6 points for allowing 2-6 points, 3 points for allowing 7-10 points, -3 points for allowing 36-42 points, -6 points for allowing more than 42 points, 1 point for fumbles recovered or interceptions, 1 point for sacks, 2 points for safety, 6 points for all D/ST TDs. Oh, and the draft is straight-line (because of the keeper nature, presumably to allow bad teams better picks to get better)

So, enough filler. The picks:

Team 1

Pick Pos Player Team

01.01 QB1 Aaron Rodgers GB/10

10.01 QB12 Eli Manning NYG/8

02.01 RB9 DeAngelo Williams Car/6

04.01 RB14 Shonn Greene NYJ/7

07.01 RB21 Chris Wells Ari/6

12.01 RB31 Ricky Williams Mia/5

15.01 RB46 Fred Jackson Buf/6

03.01 WR9 Larry Fitzgerald Ari/6

08.01 WR15 Chad Ochocinco Cin/6

09.01 WR23 Mike Sims-Walker Jac/9

16.01 WR25 Jeremy Maclin Phi/8

13.01 WR36 T.J. Houshmandzadeh Sea/5

05.01 TE4 Dallas Clark Ind/7

14.01 TE8 Kellen Winslow TB/4

06.01 PK1 Nate Kaeding SD/10

11.01 DEF10 Green Bay GB/10

Team 2

Pick Pos Player Team

04.02 QB7 Philip Rivers SD/10

07.02 QB8 Jay Cutler Chi/8

01.02 RB1 Adrian Peterson Min/4

02.02 RB7 Steven Jackson StL/9

08.02 RB20 Matt Forte Chi/8

15.02 RB57 Toby Gerhart Min/4

11.02 WR5 Brandon Marshall Mia/5

03.02 WR6 Reggie Wayne Ind/7

05.02 WR14 Wes Welker NE/5

13.02 WR28 Dez Bryant Dal/4

06.02 TE6 Brent Celek Phi/8

09.02 TE10 Owen Daniels Hou/7

12.02 PK7 David Akers Phi/8

14.02 PK14 Rob Bironas Ten/9

16.02 DEF2 Pittsburgh Pit/5

10.02 DEF15 New Orleans NO/10

Team 3

Pick Pos Player Team

01.03 QB3 Peyton Manning Ind/7

15.03 QB16 Donovan McNabb Was/9

04.03 RB8 Ryan Mathews SD/10

02.03 RB11 Ryan Grant GB/10

07.03 RB18 Marion Barber Dal/4

14.03 RB67 Julius Jones Sea/5

16.03 RB74 Chris Ivory NO/10

11.03 WR16 Terrell Owens Cin/6

08.03 WR39 Pierre Garcon Ind/7

06.03 WR42 Donald Driver GB/10

03.03 WR65 Vincent Jackson SD/10

12.03 WR102 Sidney Rice Min/4

05.03 TE5 Jason Witten Dal/4

13.03 TE9 Heath Miller Pit/5

09.03 PK5 Ryan Longwell Min/4

10.03 DEF4 Philadelphia Phi/8

Team 4

Pick Pos Player Team

03.04 QB4 Tony Romo Dal/4

14.04 QB11 Matthew Stafford Det/7

12.04 RB2 Chris Johnson Ten/9

06.04 RB12 Jahvid Best Det/7

05.04 RB13 LeSean McCoy Phi/8

10.04 RB42 Jerome Harrison Cle/8

16.04 RB68 Tashard Choice Dal/4

01.04 WR1 Andre Johnson Hou/7

02.04 WR3 Calvin Johnson Det/7

07.04 WR11 Hakeem Nicks NYG/8

08.04 WR18 Santana Moss Was/9

11.04 WR20 Malcom Floyd SD/10

15.04 WR26 Jabar Gaffney Den/9

04.04 TE2 Antonio Gates SD/10

13.04 PK3 Mason Crosby GB/10

09.04 DEF1 New York Jets NYJ/7

Team 5

Pick Pos Player Team

01.05 QB2 Drew Brees NO/10

06.05 QB18 Brett Favre Min/4

11.05 RB10 Rashard Mendenhall Pit/5

09.05 RB16 Knowshon Moreno Den/9

04.05 RB17 Jamaal Charles KC/4

08.05 RB22 Ronnie Brown Mia/5

10.05 RB24 Cedric Benson Cin/6

14.05 RB35 Justin Forsett Sea/5

02.05 WR4 Miles Austin Dal/4

03.05 WR7 Roddy White Atl/8

12.05 WR19 Dwayne Bowe KC/4

05.05 WR27 Steve Smith NYG/8

15.05 TE11 Zach Miller Oak/10

07.05 TE15 Visanthe Shiancoe Min/4

16.05 PK10 Lawrence Tynes NYG/8

13.05 DEF13 Baltimore Bal/8

Team 6

Pick Pos Player Team

06.06 QB13 Kevin Kolb Phi/8

08.06 QB22 Ben Roethlisberger Pit/5

01.06 RB3 Maurice Jones-Drew Jac/9

07.06 RB19 Joseph Addai Ind/7

02.06 RB43 Thomas Jones KC/4

13.06 RB47 Chester Taylor Chi/8

03.06 WR12 DeSean Jackson Phi/8

04.06 WR13 Steve Smith Car/6

10.06 WR24 Hines Ward Pit/5

12.06 WR33 Derrick Mason Bal/8

05.06 TE3 Vernon Davis SF/9

15.06 TE13 John Carlson Sea/5

14.06 TE14 Greg Olsen Chi/8

11.06 PK2 Stephen Gostkowski NE/5

16.06 PK13 Robbie Gould Chi/8

09.06 DEF5 San Francisco SF/9

Team 7

Pick Pos Player Team

07.07 QB9 Joe Flacco Bal/8

13.07 QB17 Chad Henne Mia/5

06.07 RB5 Ray Rice Bal/8

01.07 RB6 Michael Turner Atl/8

05.07 RB23 Jonathan Stewart Car/6

12.07 RB26 Ahmad Bradshaw NYG/8

11.07 RB30 Reggie Bush NO/10

03.07 WR8 Marques Colston NO/10

02.07 WR10 Greg Jennings GB/10

10.07 WR21 Mike Wallace Pit/5

08.07 WR22 Michael Crabtree SF/9

09.07 WR31 Percy Harvin Min/4

16.07 WR50 Mohamed Massaquoi Cle/8

04.07 TE1 Jermichael Finley GB/10

14.07 PK4 Garrett Hartley NO/10

15.07 DEF23 Carolina Car/6

Team 8

Pick Pos Player Team

03.08 QB5 Tom Brady NE/5

06.08 QB6 Matt Schaub Hou/7

02.08 RB4 Frank Gore SF/9

05.08 RB15 Pierre Thomas NO/10

10.08 RB25 C.J. Spiller Buf/6

08.08 RB28 Arian Foster Hou/7

12.08 RB33 Felix Jones Dal/4

13.08 RB37 Michael Bush Oak/10

14.08 RB40 Donald Brown Ind/7

01.08 WR2 Randy Moss NE/5

04.08 WR17 Anquan Boldin Bal/8

16.08 WR44 Steve Breaston Ari/6

09.08 WR47 Robert Meachem NO/10

07.08 TE7 Tony Gonzalez Atl/8

15.08 PK22 Jay Feely Ari/6

11.08 DEF3 Minnesota Min/4

 

[firstseason1988]

Round 11. Chris Johnson 2. Adrian Peterson 3. Maurice Jones-Drew 4. Ray Rice 5. Aaron Rodgers 6. Peyton Manning 7. Michael Turner 8. Andre Johnson Round 21. Drew Brees 2. Frank Gore 3. Randy Moss4. Calvin Johnson P5. Ryan Mathews 6. Reggie Wayne 7. Shonn Greene 8. Tom Brady Round 31. DeAngelo Williams 2. Brandon Marshall 3. Rashard Mendenhall 4. Roddy White 5. Steven Jackson 6. Ryan Grant 7. Miles Austin 8. Larry Fitzgerald Round 41. Greg Jennings 2. Tony Romo 3. Dallas Clark 4. Antonio Gates 5. DeSean Jackson 6. Marques Colston7. Anquan Boldin 8. Steve Smith Round 51. Chad Ochocinco 2. Matt Schaub 3. Philip Rivers 4. Steve Smith 5. LeSean McCoy 6. Cedric Benson 7. Dwayne Bowe 8. Jermichael Finley Round 61. Arian Foster 2. Vernon Davis 3. Percy Harvin 4. Hakeem Nicks 5. Brett Favre 6. Michael Crabtree 7. Jason Witten 8. Tony Gonzalez Round 71. Jeremy Maclin 2. Wes Welker 3. Jamaal Charles 4. Brent Celek 5. Jahvid Best 6. Joseph Addai 7. Hines Ward 8. Matt Forte Round 81. Pierre Thomas 2. San Francisco 3. Donald Driver 4. Santana Moss 5. New York 6. Minnesota 7. Sidney Rice 8. Pittsburgh Round 91. Donovan McNabb 2. Dallas 3. Vincent Jackson 4. Stephen Gostkowski 5. Malcom Floyd 6. Derrick Mason 7. Garrett Hartley 8. C.J. Spiller Round 101. Johnny Knox 2. Beanie Wells 3. New York 4. Terrell Owens 5. Jonathan Stewart 6. Nate Kaeding 7. Ronnie Brown 8. Mason Crosby Round 111. Mike Wallace 2. Thomas Jones 3. Visanthe Shiancoe 4. Mike Sims-Walker 5. Marion Barber 6. Ricky Williams 7. Pierre Garcon 8.Round 121. Lee Evans 2. Kevin Kolb 3. Robert Meachem 4. Dez Bryant 5. Jay Cutler 6. Knowshon Moreno 7. Matt Ryan Witten 8. Braylon Edwards Round 131. Felix Jones 2. Chris Cooley 3. Eli Manning 4. T.J. Houshmandzadeh 5. Green Bay 6. Ryan Longwell 7. Kellen Winslow 8. Zach Miller Round 141. Matthew Stafford 2. Devin Aromashodu 3. Bernard Berrian 4. Carson Palmer 5. John Carlson 6. Julian Edelman 7. Roy Williams 8. Heath Miller Round 151. Santonio Holmes 2. Devin Hester 3. Owen Daniels 4. Baltimore 5. Philadelphia 6. Joe Flacco 7. Rob Bironas 8. Adam Vinatieri Round 161. New Orleans 2. Miami 3. Todd Heap 4. David Akers 5. Lawrence Tynes 6. Jacoby Jones 7. David Buehler 8. Tennessee

My team picking from the 8 spot:QB Drew BreesWR Andre JohnsonWR Larry FitzgeraldWR Greg JenningsRB Arian FosterRB Matt ForteTE Jermichael FinleyK Adam VinatieriDEF New OrleansSpillerPierre ThomasJ KnoxR BushL EvansZ MillerM StaffordIt's common to have only 1 K and 1 ST/D and work the waiver wire for bye weeks as a number are available. It can hurt when you don't want to let go of anyone on your bench.I went QB WR WR WR, I felt the drop off of WRs occur much quicker than RBs. I could be scrambling at RB but feel decent about my team.I have 3 of the top 9 WRs, top 2 QB, top TE. There was more value at TE and WR late.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Here is my team in that 8-team draft where I had the first pick:

1. (1) Chris Johnson

2. (16) Calvin Johnson

3. (17) Larry Fitzgerald

4. (32) Antonio Gates

5. (33) Philip Rivers

6. (48) Tony Gonzalez

7. (49) Joseph Addai

8. (64) C.J. Spiller

9. (65) Malcom Floyd

10. (80) Ben Roethlisberger

11. (81) Mike Wallace

12. (96) Felix Jones

13. (97) Alex Smith

14. (112) Nate Kaeding

15. (113) Kyle Orton

16. (128) Donald Brown

17. (129) Sidney Rice

18. (144) Javon Ringer

19. (145) Anthony Gonzalez

20. (160) Neil Rackers

21. (161) Ryan Longwell

No QBs went in the first round, but the top 6 went from pick 10-15. That allowed me to get my numbers 4 and 5 WRs at 16 and 17 (AJ, Moss and Wayne went 6th, 8th and 9th). I am not unhappy with my team, but I wish my number 2 RB was more solid, although Addai will be good. It is 1 PPR for all positions, and we start 2 QBs, 2 RBs, 3 WRs, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 RB/WR Flex and 1 WR/TE Flex. So, I will go with two TEs every week, Gates and Gonzalez.

 

[Ghost Rider]

bump for the day crew. Curious as to what some of you other 8-teamers think of the team I drafted from the 1 slot last night...