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85 Bears vs. 07 Patriots (1 Viewer)

85 Bears vs. 07 Patriots. Who wins?

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3nOut

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Not sure what the answer is but I'd have loved to see this game. As potent as NE's offense, I'm not sure what they'd do against the Bears' dominant D.

 
The only question is how big of a rout would it be? Mini-Ditka or full sized Ditka?

 
people should start to realize that back there:

-less teams

-no salary cap

So talented players were not splitted on 32 teams like today......

 
Part of the problem is that players today are HUGE compared to guys from 20+ years ago. Bigger, stronger, faster should win this one. IMO, even middle of the road teams from this generation with the schemes that are run today should be able to beat teams from other eras. If we don't consider the changes from then until now, I think a lot would depend on where the game was played. Put the game indoors and the Pats could really click on offense. Put the game in Chicago in January in a blizzard, not so much.

 
David Yudkin said:
Part of the problem is that players today are HUGE compared to guys from 20+ years ago.
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The Fridge was considered obese back then (I guess he was), but he's wasn't as big as Vince Wilfork.When that pass got batted in the air by Ray Lewis, I envisioned a Patriot catching it for a TD - reminiscent of Gary Fencik getting burned for a TD against the Dolphins back in '85.
 
in a perfect world where all starters are at full health the pats would come closer, but the depth of those teams back then was unbelievable...in just a random middle of the season game, bears roll

pats d is pretty suspect even against marginal teams of today

note: all of this is under the caveat that new schemes are available to older players (i.e. present day coaching of older teams talent)

 
CrossEyed said:
3nOut said:
BassNBrew said:
CrossEyed said:
Let's see, the '85 Bears would all be about 50 years old, so my money is in the Pats.
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Easily offset by the fact that Ditka is decades wiser.
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...and the Pats in '85 would be what... 5?
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Ahh, that's true, are we playing this game in '07 or in '85? That is obviously the deciding factor in this discussion.
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Good point. An 8 year old Tom Brady is gonna look pretty ridiculous as Wilber Marshall puts him over his knee and spanks his hieny.
 
Belichick would outscheme and outcoach Ditka and Ryan silly.

Even the ghost of Walter Payton couldn't help Da Bears win against this year's Patsy team.

 
David Yudkin said:
Part of the problem is that players today are HUGE compared to guys from 20+ years ago. Bigger, stronger, faster should win this one. IMO, even middle of the road teams from this generation with the schemes that are run today should be able to beat teams from other eras. If we don't consider the changes from then until now, I think a lot would depend on where the game was played. Put the game indoors and the Pats could really click on offense. Put the game in Chicago in January in a blizzard, not so much.
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Bigger, stronger, and faster yes. Tougher? No. I think it depends on which set of rules we play by. The NFL in 1985 was tailored to a team like the Bears. They played mean and dirty and refs let them play. Refs today would throw a PI flag on every play because defenses USED to be allowed to touch the offensive players. So, my vote is played by today's rules, Pats pull it out. Bears keep it close because of Payton, but in the end the superior receiving talent of the Pats pull it out.By 1985's rules? Bears in a landslide. The Pats wouldn't have any recievers left by the second quarter since they wouldn't be used to getting ruffed up so much.
 
What kind of moron would vote for the '07 Patriots.

The '98 Broncos, Aikman's Cowboys, Redskins of the early 90s, 49ers of Montana, LT's Giants, the Steel Curtain, etc. let alone the '85 Bears would destroy the pass happy, sh_tty defense Patriots.

 
Steeler07 said:
What kind of moron would vote for the '07 Patriots. The '98 Broncos, Aikman's Cowboys, Redskins of the early 90s, 49ers of Montana, LT's Giants, the Steel Curtain, etc. let alone the '85 Bears would destroy the pass happy, sh_tty defense Patriots.
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Guys like Ham and Lambert were a smidge above 220 pounds. Put a pulling guard like Logan Mankins (310 pounds) with help from TE Kyle Brady (280) and I think even the vaunted Steelers would have issues. Not saying that they couldn't win, but they would be undersized across the board.
 
David Yudkin said:
Steeler07 said:
What kind of moron would vote for the '07 Patriots. The '98 Broncos, Aikman's Cowboys, Redskins of the early 90s, 49ers of Montana, LT's Giants, the Steel Curtain, etc. let alone the '85 Bears would destroy the pass happy, sh_tty defense Patriots.
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Guys like Ham and Lambert were a smidge above 220 pounds. Put a pulling guard like Logan Mankins (310 pounds) with help from TE Kyle Brady (280) and I think even the vaunted Steelers would have issues. Not saying that they couldn't win, but they would be undersized across the board.
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So what? Was Logan Mankins even born then? I doubt a fetal Mankins could block Jack Lambert.
 
David Yudkin said:
Steeler07 said:
What kind of moron would vote for the '07 Patriots. The '98 Broncos, Aikman's Cowboys, Redskins of the early 90s, 49ers of Montana, LT's Giants, the Steel Curtain, etc. let alone the '85 Bears would destroy the pass happy, sh_tty defense Patriots.
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Guys like Ham and Lambert were a smidge above 220 pounds. Put a pulling guard like Logan Mankins (310 pounds) with help from TE Kyle Brady (280) and I think even the vaunted Steelers would have issues. Not saying that they couldn't win, but they would be undersized across the board.
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This is a hypothetical game anyway. Why wouldn't you conclude that Jack Lambert could use all the modern training and strength building tools today?Players today would #### their pants if they saw single barred helmet wearing Lambert and Mean Joe Green breathing down their throats.The Bears win this in a landslide. I am one of the few posters that think that almost every quality team from the past (prior to FA and the salary cap) would destroy just about every modern day team of this era.Good teams were stacked with talent across the board.
 
The Bears will be doing the Super Bowl Shuffle all over the Pats.....Nobody beats 1985 Ditka.....1985 Ditka is just too powerful...

 
Players are faster and stronger today. Yes, the Bears could very well be deeper than the Pats. But would it honestly matter? Shuffle them in and out but when your competition is faster, stronger and outweighs you per man it'd make it tough for the Bears. Back then the Fridge was the exception, not the rule. Today we see guys at 300-350lbs+ and don't blink and eye. That's a lot of man to move, especially if you're 20-30lbs lighter. Not saying it'd be impossible, but it'd be hard for the Bears to pull it off imo.

 
Bears murder them... defense would kill them. I'd say Parcells superbowl team with Lawerence Taylor would put them down... as well as Cowboys dynasty teams.

 
montanagold said:
Bears murder them... defense would kill them. I'd say Parcells superbowl team with Lawerence Taylor would put them down... as well as Cowboys dynasty teams.
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92-95 Cowboys71 Cowboys84-91 49ers91 Skins98 Broncos85 Bears99 Rams96 Packers85-86 Giants73-79 Steelers
 
3nOut said:
Not sure what the answer is but I'd have loved to see this game. As potent as NE's offense, I'm not sure what they'd do against the Bears' dominant D.
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You saw it last night...assuming the DEF was more disciplined, they don't get the penalties and NE loses the game.Plus, McMahon is better than Boller.
 
I can't help it...I must...for you SNL fans of the 80s.

Da Bears 35 ta 14...only becuz Dit-ka had to go buy da wife a Christmas present, otherwise, 72 ta zip.

Now if you're talking Dit-ka versus the Patriots...you gotta like Dit-ka say maybe, 42-10.

Well Bob, let's talk Dit-ka versus Belicheck...who wins?

Dat's a tough one Bill...We talkin' mini-Dit-ka?

No Bob...Da real deal

Den it's gotta be Dit-ka 47, Belicheck zip, unless he cheats, den we'll give him 10.

There you have it from Bill Swerski's super fans...

 
Young 8 said:
people should start to realize that back there:

-less teams

-no salary cap

So talented players were not splitted on 32 teams like today......
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I always had a prolem with this argument. True, free agency, salary caps etc... makes it harder to build a dynasty. And to that end, the Pats get credit. But, the same free agency, salary caps etc... hurt the remaining teams in the league as well, causing there to be a lot more mediocrity in the league. In short -- those arguments cut both ways.I think that's important because we judge teams based on how they compete against other teams. So a "dynasty" today gets to build its legacy around more medicore teams enabling them to look more dominant than they might have been otherwise.

 
Blueb said:
Young 8 said:
people should start to realize that back there:

-less teams

-no salary cap

So talented players were not splitted on 32 teams like today......
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I always had a prolem with this argument. True, free agency, salary caps etc... makes it harder to build a dynasty. And to that end, the Pats get credit. But, the same free agency, salary caps etc... hurt the remaining teams in the league as well, causing there to be a lot more mediocrity in the league. In short -- those arguments cut both ways.I think that's important because we judge teams based on how they compete against other teams. So a "dynasty" today gets to build its legacy around more medicore teams enabling them to look more dominant than they might have been otherwise.
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So in other words, you agree with him.
 
Just like every other qb out there, Brady looks a little different when he can't sit back there in his rocking chair all night long picking the d apart.

Bears win this one going away.

 
A couple of weeks ago, I would have said the Patriots. Since then they have struggled against two mediocre teams. I'll take the Bears.

 
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Just like every other qb out there, Brady looks a little different when he can't sit back there in his rocking chair all night long picking the d apart.Bears win this one going away.
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As already stated in this thread, Blits the hell out of the Golden boy and things are different. Nancy boy doesn't like to be hit.Nancu, meet Dan Hampton, The Fridge, and especially, Richard Dent.
 
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Part of the problem is that players today are HUGE compared to guys from 20+ years ago. Bigger, stronger, faster should win this one.
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Every time I hear commentators harkening back the the 70s Steelers or 85 Bears etc as the better teams I have to shake my head for exactly this reason. Its a very different game today. The combination of size and speed just didnt exist back then like it does today. Even after Gary Fencik puts his helmet in Moss's spine I think the Patriots win by 2 touchdowns.
 
'85 Bears, obviously. Walter Payton would run for 200 yards against that Patriots defense, and the Bears would get more than enough pressure on Brady to keep the Pats offense slightly in check.

Woz said:
nibbomydaets said:
montanagold said:
Bears murder them... defense would kill them. I'd say Parcells superbowl team with Lawerence Taylor would put them down... as well as Cowboys dynasty teams.
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92-95 Cowboys71 Cowboys84-91 49ers91 Skins98 Broncos85 Bears99 Rams96 Packers85-86 Giants73-79 Steelers
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'98 Vikings > '98 Broncos. HTH
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:shrug: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: You forget who won the Super Bowl that year or what, pal?
 
Steeler07 said:
What kind of moron would vote for the '07 Patriots. The '98 Broncos, Aikman's Cowboys, Redskins of the early 90s, 49ers of Montana, LT's Giants, the Steel Curtain, etc. let alone the '85 Bears would destroy the pass happy, sh_tty defense Patriots.
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:shrug:
 
mbuehner said:
Part of the problem is that players today are HUGE compared to guys from 20+ years ago. Bigger, stronger, faster should win this one.
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Every time I hear commentators harkening back the the 70s Steelers or 85 Bears etc as the better teams I have to shake my head for exactly this reason. Its a very different game today. The combination of size and speed just didnt exist back then like it does today. Even after Gary Fencik puts his helmet in Moss's spine I think the Patriots win by 2 touchdowns.
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It's foolish to directly compare the teams, and that's what you are missing. It is most accurate to compare the team in relation to their peers.
 
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