9-18-07 Urgent - Will You Help Make The Shark Pool Better? (1 Viewer)

[Keys Myaths]

This biggest problem is not when a "tool" posts a WDIS post or acts like a tool. The problem is when the 25 or so self-appointed board cops feel they have to correct each and everything they see instead of ignoring it and minding their own business. That's when the real clutter and pissing begins.

These aren't self-appointed...you have to go before the board of directors for certification.PM Shuke for details.

 

[Joe Bryant]

This biggest problem is not when a "tool" posts a WDIS post or acts like a tool. The problem is when the 25 or so self-appointed board cops feel they have to correct each and everything they see instead of ignoring it and minding their own business. That's when the real clutter and pissing begins.

All that really needs to be done is take 5 seconds to hit the "report" button. We can clean it up quickly from there.J

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

This biggest problem is not when a "tool" posts a WDIS post or acts like a tool. The problem is when the 25 or so self-appointed board cops feel they have to correct each and everything they see instead of ignoring it and minding their own business. That's when the real clutter and pissing begins.

All that really needs to be done is take 5 seconds to hit the "report" button. We can clean it up quickly from there.J

Joe, I agree totally. I was just attempting to point out that the bigger problem is the posters playing board cop when they aren't board cops than the so-called "tools" in most cases.

 

[Keys Myaths]

This biggest problem is not when a "tool" posts a WDIS post or acts like a tool. The problem is when the 25 or so self-appointed board cops feel they have to correct each and everything they see instead of ignoring it and minding their own business. That's when the real clutter and pissing begins.

All that really needs to be done is take 5 seconds to hit the "report" button. We can clean it up quickly from there.J

Joe, I agree totally. I was just attempting to point out that the bigger problem is the posters playing board cop when they aren't board cops than the so-called "tools" in most cases.

Pretty sure JB was saying they'd clean up the board cops as well if you reported.HTH

 

[AB in DC]

I'd love to report all the "What kind of guppy league are you in where so-and-so is (on the waiver wire)/(in your lineup)/(whatever)" posts.

Newsflash -- every league doesn't have the same roster/lineup requirements as yours.

 

[Snot Bubbler]

I'd love to report all the "What kind of guppy league are you in where so-and-so is (on the waiver wire)/(in your lineup)/(whatever)" posts.Newsflash -- every league doesn't have the same roster/lineup requirements as yours.

I hate those posts more than anything.

 

[MiniBears]

May I offer a newbie's perspective? A colleague recently pointed me to this board, and although I find it informative I would offer the following suggestions/complaints:

1. Threads are restarted and topics rehashed way, way too much. Every big topic that comes up seems to be repeated after it falls off the first two pages of posts. This forum really doesn't need multiple posts on Bulger's broken ribs, Shaun Alexander's broken wrist, Patriots spygate, etc., and having these threads all running at the same time creates unnecessary noise. Unfortunately, it seems like the only way to prevent this from happening is to have the board cops jump down someone's throat when they repost without searching.

2. The format of quote within a quote within a quote on a reply is really quite cluttering. I think it's appropriate that if someone replies to a post, than that original post to which the reply is addressed is the only one included as a quote in the response; no need to include the entire reply trail.

3. Some board features that would be helpful include personal sticky posts, visual indicators of posts containing unread messages, etc. Email notifications are nice but most active posters will hang out and refresh a board, making these types of features very useful.

4. Rep points would help dissuade negative or unhelpful posting.

5. There are a lot of threads about how to handle trade vetos, commissioners overstepping their bounds, bad owners, etc. Perhaps a separate forum dedicated to these types of topics would be appropriate.

Just my two cents.

 

[The Draft Robot]

the.draft.robot.is.on.patrol.

 

[higgins]

the.draft.robot.is.on.patrol.

..... :noworriesnow:

 

[Squinting Cyclops]

In the shark pool descriptive header it says :

"The Shark Pool is reserved for sharing NFL talk and fantasy football strategy discussion."

Question : Where do player specific fantasy football strategy threads belong?

There is a certain gray area. Specific player information that is NFL news clearly belongs in the SP, while *most* fantasy football discussion seems to belong in the AC forum.

I think too many people consider player specific fantasy football discussions to be "strategy" and thus the confusion.

I see the SP as where you can turn to get vital information that can help you make decisions in fantasy football. I see the AC forum as a place where you can ask for specific help in sorting out fantasy football team dilemmas.

A new forum for fantasy football strategy might clear things up. If general strategy and player speciifc strategies (not questions) could be posted there for comments that might be good.

I am aware of the wannabee strategy thread pinned in the AC forum, but that is only one thread (general topic thread that are pages long are not appealing) and it is hidden from the main forum menu.

I am suggesting these ideas to try and make the "where can I post this" question easier for contributors to answer.

I am a big fan of your website! Keep up the good work!

 

[BusMan]

Nice addition to the top of the SP, Mods. I dig.

 

[Bankerguy]

I would like to see good posters recognized by the staff and somehow identified as good contributors.

Example:

Bass N Brew

Identified Panthers Source (Something to let other posters know the guy has a good history).

 

[Guapote]

I didn't want to tack this onto any specific thread, but there's been tons of examples lately. Wondering about the possibility of having a fact thread and an opinion thread for certain topics. A lot of recent threads involving breaking news get so clogged with opinions (often toolish) that it's hardly worth wading through. I realize that a new thread often starts when anything factual is found, but then this thread gets clogged with the same garbage as the previous thread.

I'm sure this would require a lot of moderation in cutting garbage out of any fact thread, and I understand it may not be practical.

Thanks for doing what you can to keep improving the Pool.

 

[Squinting Cyclops]

I didn't want to tack this onto any specific thread, but there's been tons of examples lately. Wondering about the possibility of having a fact thread and an opinion thread for certain topics. A lot of recent threads involving breaking news get so clogged with opinions (often toolish) that it's hardly worth wading through. I realize that a new thread often starts when anything factual is found, but then this thread gets clogged with the same garbage as the previous thread.I'm sure this would require a lot of moderation in cutting garbage out of any fact thread, and I understand it may not be practical.Thanks for doing what you can to keep improving the Pool.

 

[Keys Myaths]

I didn't want to tack this onto any specific thread, but there's been tons of examples lately. Wondering about the possibility of having a fact thread and an opinion thread for certain topics. A lot of recent threads involving breaking news get so clogged with opinions (often toolish) that it's hardly worth wading through. I realize that a new thread often starts when anything factual is found, but then this thread gets clogged with the same garbage as the previous thread.I'm sure this would require a lot of moderation in cutting garbage out of any fact thread, and I understand it may not be practical.Thanks for doing what you can to keep improving the Pool.

All of this can be solved by using the report button.

 

[Ksquared]

I would like to see good posters recognized by the staff and somehow identified as good contributors.Example: Bass N BrewIdentified Panthers Source (Something to let other posters know the guy has a good history).

Excellent suggestion - look at tripadvisors.com forums around the world. They have identified a few "experts" in their profile for certain communities and you know your getting legit info (they either live(d) in these locations or travel to these locations consistently). Several posters seem to have a very good read/feel for their local teams and how situations are going to play out before the rest of the country gets up to speed.Deciding the individuals to have a title of "Seahawk Source" or whatever team would take some administrative work, but could just be added to a person's profile when it seems appropriate. After a couple of years we would have a few posters when they state something in a thread about their "team", we could give it more weight than all the trash that gets put into so many of these active threads anymore (ie Henry, Vick, etc). Another possible title with all the recent legal issues is a recognized lawyer(s) to give some informed legal information/doctor - physical therapist for certain types of medical issues (ie Westbrook having ribs trying to pop thru a muscle tear).Take some work, but seeing somewhat informed responses about situations rather than needing to give equal weight to someone's response that may just be a "hater" would make the pool even more valuable.Just my 0.02

 

[Squinting Cyclops]

I didn't want to tack this onto any specific thread, but there's been tons of examples lately. Wondering about the possibility of having a fact thread and an opinion thread for certain topics. A lot of recent threads involving breaking news get so clogged with opinions (often toolish) that it's hardly worth wading through. I realize that a new thread often starts when anything factual is found, but then this thread gets clogged with the same garbage as the previous thread.I'm sure this would require a lot of moderation in cutting garbage out of any fact thread, and I understand it may not be practical.Thanks for doing what you can to keep improving the Pool.

All of this can be solved by using the report button.

The report button is not the answer to everything! Since when are we supposed to start "reporting" opinions?

 

[Craig]

Should rotoworld's week 5 ranking be in the shark pool ? Just wondering.

 

[Snot Bubbler]

More newbies might post their WDIS threads in the AC forum if it was the first or second forum listed instead of the fifth. Right now the NFL Interviews forum is the second forum listed and the last post in there was over a month ago.

 

[Guapote]

I didn't want to tack this onto any specific thread, but there's been tons of examples lately. Wondering about the possibility of having a fact thread and an opinion thread for certain topics. A lot of recent threads involving breaking news get so clogged with opinions (often toolish) that it's hardly worth wading through. I realize that a new thread often starts when anything factual is found, but then this thread gets clogged with the same garbage as the previous thread.I'm sure this would require a lot of moderation in cutting garbage out of any fact thread, and I understand it may not be practical.Thanks for doing what you can to keep improving the Pool.

All of this can be solved by using the report button.

I completely agree with you when it involves toolish postings. If you remove these you're still wading through pages of opinion, even if it's civil, trying to find facts. Probably the most frustrating thing is when something new comes out, a new thread is started, and then all the opinion migrates there. I'm not opposed to reading everybody's opinions, it's great to see different viewpoints, but it's challenging when what I'd like to see is the latest news.Like I said, I understand this would take a ton of moderation, and the cost-benefit relationship probably doesn't justify trying to do this.

 

[BigRed]

How about when a mod deletes post (including frankly valid ones), at least have the decency to fire off a quick IM to the person whose post you deleted explaining why.

 

[ImTheScientist]

This biggest problem is not when a "tool" posts a WDIS post or acts like a tool. The problem is when the 25 or so self-appointed board cops feel they have to correct each and everything they see instead of ignoring it and minding their own business. That's when the real clutter and pissing begins.

Im one...see my sig

 

[Bankerguy]

This biggest problem is not when a "tool" posts a WDIS post or acts like a tool. The problem is when the 25 or so self-appointed board cops feel they have to correct each and everything they see instead of ignoring it and minding their own business. That's when the real clutter and pissing begins.

Im one...see my sig

So, why not change then? You could always try to add something constructive. Oh wait, nevermind.

 

[Bristol]

Joe and David could easily stop this from happening if they would just have a subscriber only forum. They have stated that they will never do this. If that is the case, then you will always have the garbage posts popping up. Quite frankly, I am surprised that Joe would be complaining about the quality of posts in the Shark Pool when he could easily fix it by adding the subscriber only forum.

 

[Legion of Doom]

Joe and David could easily stop this from happening if they would just have a subscriber only forum. They have stated that they will never do this. If that is the case, then you will always have the garbage posts popping up. Quite frankly, I am surprised that Joe would be complaining about the quality of posts in the Shark Pool when he could easily fix it by adding the subscriber only forum.

Joe knows how valuable the shark pool is to FBG.How many people visted the shark pool first,then decided to become subscribers? Why mess with the single greatest FF resource on the planet that is the shark pool!

BTW To do my part in making the shark pool better I offer my sig to anyone wants to use it as a reminder to keep the pool clean.

There is no pissing in the Shark Pool!

 

[Bristol]

Joe and David could easily stop this from happening if they would just have a subscriber only forum. They have stated that they will never do this. If that is the case, then you will always have the garbage posts popping up. Quite frankly, I am surprised that Joe would be complaining about the quality of posts in the Shark Pool when he could easily fix it by adding the subscriber only forum.

Joe knows how valuable the shark pool is to FBG.How many people visted the shark pool first,then decided to become subscribers? Why mess with the single greatest FF resource on the planet that is the shark pool!

BTW To do my part in making the shark pool better I offer my sig to anyone wants to use it as a reminder to keep the pool clean.

There is no pissing in the Shark Pool!

If that is the case, then he should not complain about the quality of posts. Damned if you do, damned if you don't

 

[ImTheScientist]

Joe and David could easily stop this from happening if they would just have a subscriber only forum. They have stated that they will never do this. If that is the case, then you will always have the garbage posts popping up. Quite frankly, I am surprised that Joe would be complaining about the quality of posts in the Shark Pool when he could easily fix it by adding the subscriber only forum.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Joe and David could easily stop this from happening if they would just have a subscriber only forum. They have stated that they will never do this. If that is the case, then you will always have the garbage posts popping up. Quite frankly, I am surprised that Joe would be complaining about the quality of posts in the Shark Pool when he could easily fix it by adding the subscriber only forum.

I think a subscriber-only forum would be a good idea because it would clear the Shark Pool of the crybabies who keep whining about having one. Just let them have it so we don't have to see those posts anymore.

 

[Bankerguy]

Joe and David could easily stop this from happening if they would just have a subscriber only forum. They have stated that they will never do this. If that is the case, then you will always have the garbage posts popping up. Quite frankly, I am surprised that Joe would be complaining about the quality of posts in the Shark Pool when he could easily fix it by adding the subscriber only forum.

I think a subscriber-only forum would be a good idea because it would clear the Shark Pool of the crybabies who keep whining about having one. Just let them have it so we don't have to see those posts anymore.

It may also exclude real sharks who contribute lots to the Shark Pool and don't need a subsciption. I am confident in saying I think Joe and David are smart enough to realize this too.

 

[The Great Snook]

This may be inappropriate, but I'm going to post it anyway.

I'm concerned that the push to make this board more about the NFL and more professioanl may actually be ruining it. It seems like there are more posters then ever that seem more concerned about being board policemen then actually reading and contributing to the threads. Maybe I missed it, but I never really thought this board was full of inappropriate posts or posters. I have always worked under the philosophy of if a thread interested me, I read it, if it didn't I skipped it. Now I'm seeing threads where people are going into them for the sole purpose to tell everyone in the thread about what they are doing wrong. Can't we all just "Be excellent to each other"

Just my 2 cents.

 

[remote controller]

Hey Guys.Sorry, as I see my title is misleading. This isn't a thread about whether the SP is better or worse. That was a just a lead in to my point of asking you guys to please use the report function.No forums are going to be added or change. So please save yourself the typing there.Just please use the report function.J

Wrong Board!!!! Please take this to the Complaint Board!!! Just Kidding Joe. I have know complaints at all, as these boards stay really uncluttered. Thanks for the forum!

 

[Steven Mann]

This may be inappropriate, but I'm going to post it anyway.I'm concerned that the push to make this board more about the NFL and more professioanl may actually be ruining it. It seems like there are more posters then ever that seem more concerned about being board policemen then actually reading and contributing to the threads. Maybe I missed it, but I never really thought this board was full of inappropriate posts or posters. I have always worked under the philosophy of if a thread interested me, I read it, if it didn't I skipped it. Now I'm seeing threads where people are going into them for the sole purpose to tell everyone in the thread about what they are doing wrong. Can't we all just "Be excellent to each other"Just my 2 cents.

I agree

 

[joffer]

I'm _______ ________ over _________ but this is NOT a WDIS thread

of course not, it's a mad lib

 

[Raider Nation]

BUMP for the 2010 season. Let's keep this place piss-free!

1. Most of the posts that are toolish typically come form 1 of 2 camps. The 1st are those that have players that didn't perform. Lee Evans owners for example are feeling pretty lonely right now as are Steven Jackson owners so they lash out in this forum. The 2nd camp are from a more NFL Fan perspective and those are folks that saw their beloved team lose over the weekend. Usually puts them in a pissy mood.

2. Alcohol ...a lot of the board that gets whiny and toolish on Sunday is sitting there in front of their TVs drinking away. They tend to write things they probably later forget or wish they hadn't. Not justifying it but I bet 50% of the board is at least a little tipsy on Sunday...and probably quite a bit during the week as well.

3. People are doing great things in here. Laughing Boy decided to take my idea on a weekly exploit/avoid and expand it to WR. I think it's great and it serving as an inspiration for others to find their niche and share it with the group. We are getting between 3,000-6,500 hits a week on the RB and QB exploit/avoid threads and we haven't had 1 incident yet where some tool has come in and tried to hijack the thread...the Shark Pool is also doing a great job of not turning it into a WDIS thread. I actually want to give kudos to the SP, because the posters are what drives those threads.

4. Joe please consider shutting down the FFA. I know that might not seem like a good idea but you could create a couple of more forums and than not have to deal with the FFA anymore. I think you should really open up a College Football forum. We are looking at these players in dynasty leagues almost to the point they are leaving high school now and maybe a dedicated college football forum is what we need. It's the breeding ground for the NFL...give it a forum! People don't want to go into the FFA including some of your staff because of the way people post on each other within that forum. It's sort of the "other side of the tracks."

I like these ideas about weeding out the drunks and abolishing the FFA.Wait, no I don't...

A college football forum would be sweet. A lot of us are in CFB fantasy leagues and it sucks nerding up the FFA with that.