A Case For DeAngelo Williams (1 Viewer)

[IndyHavoc]

Not selling, but hopefully getting JStew on the "cheap" (or cheaper than he was prior to that explosion). Trying to snag a hurt and they bye week Q + JStew for a overperforming Edge and OchoCinco. We'll see if I get even a little bite and might sweeten the pot.

I think this is definitely a case of being able to play both guys as RB2/3 and doing quite well (if you have a flex to play them both). Not having a flex, I think I'd still be more prone to play Stewart against stout run D's, and DWill vs. soft or slower run D's.

 

[el-gato-grande]

Anybody buying, selling? What are you getting for him?

Got him off waivers in Week 4 after a frustrated owner dropped him for MeMo. A fairly experienced owner in a league full of sharks so I was shocked to see him available.

 

[Brutis]

I have a feeling people are going to be putting DeAngelo in their lineups this week but I think he will go back to his 14 carries for 50 yards against TB.

 

[puckalicious]

quick now haters ... without looking ... post all RBs in the league with over 300 career carries that have a higher YPC average than DeAngeloon your mark, get set, go ...:gettingmypopcornready: for the first poster that says something about "yeah but his carries are all on third down with large leads or deficits with opposing defense playing dime defenseLOL

Sorry, I had to look. Rb's with 300-600 career carries:Williams 4.54Garner 4.91Turner 5.44Peterson 5.24K.Watson 4.64Jones-Drew 5.02Davenport 4.68B.Jacobs 4.8T.Bell 4.82And 7 more with significantly more career carries.I'm still not sure what your point is on ypc. Guys like Marion Barber, Addai, Mike Anderson, Reg Bush, Lynch have a lower ypc. Does that mean in your mind Williams is better than these guys?

 

[NajehHejan]

How does everyone seeing the Deangelo/Stewart carry split going forward? About the same, almost 50/50? Do you folks think Deangelo is a serviceable weekly flex play in PPR down the stretch, or just a matchup play?

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

How does everyone seeing the Deangelo/Stewart carry split going forward? About the same, almost 50/50? Do you folks think Deangelo is a serviceable weekly flex play in PPR down the stretch, or just a matchup play?

50/50 with Stewart getting the goal line carries. As much as I like Williams with his YPC and receiving opportunities he's stuck in a serious RBBC that can rear it's ugly head on any Panthers drive.

 

[NajehHejan]

How does everyone seeing the Deangelo/Stewart carry split going forward? About the same, almost 50/50? Do you folks think Deangelo is a serviceable weekly flex play in PPR down the stretch, or just a matchup play?

50/50 with Stewart getting the goal line carries. As much as I like Williams with his YPC and receiving opportunities he's stuck in a serious RBBC that can rear it's ugly head on any Panthers drive.

Do Deangelo and Stewart alternate drives, or actually within drives? I would imagine if Deangelo is getting yanked at the Gl that it is within drives, though i thought it was more alternating series...

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

How does everyone seeing the Deangelo/Stewart carry split going forward? About the same, almost 50/50? Do you folks think Deangelo is a serviceable weekly flex play in PPR down the stretch, or just a matchup play?

50/50 with Stewart getting the goal line carries. As much as I like Williams with his YPC and receiving opportunities he's stuck in a serious RBBC that can rear it's ugly head on any Panthers drive.

Do Deangelo and Stewart alternate drives, or actually within drives? I would imagine if Deangelo is getting yanked at the Gl that it is within drives, though i thought it was more alternating series...

Unfortunately for Williams, it seems like both. They alternate drives, when it's a Williams drive they'll bring in Stewart for short yardage/goal line situations. But if it's a Stewart drive they'll leave in Stewart for those situations and possibly bring in Williams for 3rd and long situations. What Williams has going for him is the speed to break a long run/reception, not so much any upside with his situational opportunities.

 

[maxwelledison]

This one deserves a bump today.

 

[JamesTheScot]

I've been watching for that trend where the more talented Stewart starts taking over the majority of the carries from the less talented Williams. When can we expect that to start happening?

<crickets chirping...>

<tumble weed rolls through...>

 

[joffer]

if LHUCKS doesn't like him, Williams has got to be worth another look.

this philosophy is turning out to be as $$$ as betting against tommygunz

 

[JGalligan]

<bows>

 

[p00h]

whats the consensus here? From those that watched the entire game?!? Did Deangelo just look great thus more touches? Did stewart miss some assignment blocking or something causing him to be benched?!? THis is a significant development in that rbbc...

 

[aldelgreco]

whats the consensus here? From those that watched the entire game?!? Did Deangelo just look great thus more touches? Did stewart miss some assignment blocking or something causing him to be benched?!? THis is a significant development in that rbbc...

Deangelo looked like a man-possessed, and is starting to get more goal line action.Stewart is getting less carries and also had a fumble yesterday. -Nervous J Stewart owner.

 

[Team Legacy]

DWILL Fan club applications still being taken.

www.idrafteddwillinround2.com

He's on track for 240 carries. In the player spotlight I predicted 220 carries, which in the past for him, would equate to Top 10 numbers. His receptions have been down this year due to an improved passing game.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=8847020

 

[puckalicious]

Dwill you are killing me here. JStew owner...

 

[LBH]

Dwill you are killing me here. JStew owner...

I was wrong about DW, and hes making me pay for it as a J.Stewart owner

 

[GoBlueWolverine]

I drafted DWill in the 4th round of my draft and suffered through some rough early weeks, but between his explosiveness and JStew's fumble issues (not being talked about enough) I think DWill is a good 2nd or at least a great 3rd RB option down the stretch.

 

[FavreCo]

DeLo 4.4 YPC.

The Fumbler: 3.8 ypc.

Why is John Fox so stupid?

 

[NajehHejan]

DeLo 4.4 YPC. The Fumbler: 3.8 ypc.Why is John Fox so stupid?

According to the league stats on my site (yahoo) Stewart has one fumble on the year, and it wasn’t in week 8. Delhomme has a fumble for week 8, was it a muffed exchange and they credited it to Delhomme?As a Dwill owner I’m all about Stewart losing carries due to a fumbling problem, but one official fumble on the year doesn’t sound like a problem to me?

 

[jurb26]

Maybe it's not quite the RBBC I had suspected.....

 

[JPeso]

Stewart is the superior dynasty prospect, to be certain, but DeAngelo is fine as a short-term starter. Fox also has typically played his vets (re: Foster and DeAngelo), and Stewart has seemingly struggled in pass protection.

DeAngelo was knocked early in his career for dancing, or a lack of vision. I don't think that he has necessarily gotten over this, but the holes in Carolina are undoubtedly much larger this season than in the past. DeAngelo is not making people miss so much as the offensive line is opening up sizable holes.

At worst, DeAngelo is seizing the opportunity and raising his value league-wide. If Carolina chooses not to bring him back, another team would gladly bring him on board.

 

[jurb26]

Stewart is the superior dynasty prospect, to be certain, but DeAngelo is fine as a short-term starter. Fox also has typically played his vets (re: Foster and DeAngelo), and Stewart has seemingly struggled in pass protection. DeAngelo was knocked early in his career for dancing, or a lack of vision. I don't think that he has necessarily gotten over this, but the holes in Carolina are undoubtedly much larger this season than in the past. DeAngelo is not making people miss so much as the offensive line is opening up sizable holes. At worst, DeAngelo is seizing the opportunity and raising his value league-wide. If Carolina chooses not to bring him back, another team would gladly bring him on board.

Williams has once again outperformed his RB competition in Car this year. Not sure that it is certain Stewart is the superior dynasty prospect at this point. I am certain that this should be interesting to debate again next year.

 

[FavreCo]

Stewart is the superior dynasty prospect, to be certain,

Good one. I'm still laughing. Based on his YPC he's not.

 

[PahtyTom]

This is the easiest "sell high" I've seen in quite some time.

 

[Tau837]

Williams 4.4 ypc on 120 carries

Stewart 3.8 ypc on 96 carries

Williams 6.3 ypr on 12 catches

Stewart 3.0 ypr on 4 catches

Williams 0 fumbles lost

Stewart 1 fumble lost

It gets worse for Stewart. Check their splits by month:

Stewart in September: 4.3 ypc on 46 carries and no catches

Stewart in October: 3.2 ypc on 50 carries and 3.0 ypr on 4 catches and the 1 lost fumble

Williams in September: 3.7 ypc on 54 carries and 4.0 ypr on 6 catches

Williams in October: 4.9 ypc on 66 carries and 8.7 ypr on 6 catches

I would not sell high on Williams.

1. Stewart is trending down and Williams is trending up.

2. Williams is presumably better in pass protection.

3. Stewart is Carolina's #1 kickoff returner.

4. Carolina is in position to secure a first round bye in the playoffs if they keep playing well, meaning they will give the ball to the players that put them in the best position to win without regard to other considerations.

IMO the stage is set for Williams to be featured the rest of the way, with Stewart taking on a lesser role.

 

[MDSkinner]

Stewart is the superior dynasty prospect, to be certain, but DeAngelo is fine as a short-term starter. Fox also has typically played his vets (re: Foster and DeAngelo), and Stewart has seemingly struggled in pass protection. DeAngelo was knocked early in his career for dancing, or a lack of vision. I don't think that he has necessarily gotten over this, but the holes in Carolina are undoubtedly much larger this season than in the past. DeAngelo is not making people miss so much as the offensive line is opening up sizable holes. At worst, DeAngelo is seizing the opportunity and raising his value league-wide. If Carolina chooses not to bring him back, another team would gladly bring him on board.

I don't get this at all. You may be completely right, but as I see it both of these guys were drafted in the first round...meaning the team felt that each guy had a shot at being something special. At this point, that something special looks more like D-Will than it does Stewart, but perhaps I am missing something? I think people tend to get way too caught up in the "he was a first round pick this year" mentality and that seems to show itself insanely with Stewart. It may be true, but it is not necessarily true no matter how much people would like it to be.

 

[BigJim®]

Ok... Deangelo is coming off a game where he out-carried Stewart 18-8, now plays against Oakland's 30th ranked rush defense, a lame duck coach and potentially a released stud defender (Deangelo Hall).

I'm feeling like Chevy Chase muttering "This is crazy.... this is crazy" but I'm starting Deangelo over Ryan Grant (vs. Minnesota), Ronnie Brown (vs. Seattle) and Jonathan Stewart.

Anyone else rolling with Deangelo this week?

 

[Kuz]

Ok... Deangelo is coming off a game where he out-carried Stewart 18-8, now plays against Oakland's 30th ranked rush defense, a lame duck coach and potentially a released stud defender (Deangelo Hall). I'm feeling like Chevy Chase muttering "This is crazy.... this is crazy" but I'm starting Deangelo over Ryan Grant (vs. Minnesota), Ronnie Brown (vs. Seattle) and Jonathan Stewart. Anyone else rolling with Deangelo this week?

I think this is one of the best weeks for Deangelo.. Atlanta ran the ball 57 times last week so you know that Carolina will run quite a bit this week. I think he's got a really good chance to be a top 5 RB this week...

 

[sho nuff]

Ok... Deangelo is coming off a game where he out-carried Stewart 18-8, now plays against Oakland's 30th ranked rush defense, a lame duck coach and potentially a released stud defender (Deangelo Hall). I'm feeling like Chevy Chase muttering "This is crazy.... this is crazy" but I'm starting Deangelo over Ryan Grant (vs. Minnesota), Ronnie Brown (vs. Seattle) and Jonathan Stewart. Anyone else rolling with Deangelo this week?

I have him in over Lendale @ Chicago right now.

 

[JGalligan]

We've already seen that Carolina doesn't mind giving for their first round running backs limited work and time to blossom into better, more well-rounded players. While I admit that Stewart is much, much, better overall at this point in his career as opposed to where Deangelo Williams was at the same point, I just don't get why a lot of Stewart supports can't come to grips with this.

Williams Achilles heel early in his career was pass-protection.

Stewart's is fumbling.

If Stewart can work on that and prove to the team he's capable of being the starter, the Panthers may very well let Williams go to free agency at the end of the year. If not, then I expect a situation similar to the Deshaun Foster/Deangelo Williams one that we were so recently accustomed too. Except that Williams/Stewart has the potential to be a lot more dangerous.

 

[Tau837]

If Stewart can work on that and prove to the team he's capable of being the starter, the Panthers may very well let Williams go to free agency at the end of the year.

Williams is under contract through 2010, and his base salaries are relatively low: 2008: $445,000, 2009: $645,000, 2010: $725,000. Unless there is some kind of large roster bonus due at some point, I see no reason why they wouldn't just keep him.

 

[simey]

Williams Achilles heel early in his career was pass-protection.Stewart's is fumbling.If Stewart can work on that and prove to the team he's capable of being the starter, the Panthers may very well let Williams go to free agency at the end of the year. If not, then I expect a situation similar to the Deshaun Foster/Deangelo Williams one that we were so recently accustomed too. Except that Williams/Stewart has the potential to be a lot more dangerous.

When did Stewart get a fumbling problem? He has lost one fumble this season. Fox likes having two good RB's, and DeAngelo has two years left on his contract. DeAngelo is not going anywhere after this season.

 

[JGalligan]

If Stewart can work on that and prove to the team he's capable of being the starter, the Panthers may very well let Williams go to free agency at the end of the year.

Williams is under contract through 2010, and his base salaries are relatively low: 2008: $445,000, 2009: $645,000, 2010: $725,000. Unless there is some kind of large roster bonus due at some point, I see no reason why they wouldn't just keep him.

Williams Achilles heel early in his career was pass-protection.Stewart's is fumbling.If Stewart can work on that and prove to the team he's capable of being the starter, the Panthers may very well let Williams go to free agency at the end of the year. If not, then I expect a situation similar to the Deshaun Foster/Deangelo Williams one that we were so recently accustomed too. Except that Williams/Stewart has the potential to be a lot more dangerous.

When did Stewart get a fumbling problem? He has lost one fumble this season. Fox likes having two good RB's, and DeAngelo has two years left on his contract. DeAngelo is not going anywhere after this season.

Ah, my fault -- I thought it was 2009. Wishful thinking? As for the fumbles... I'm not sure why but I could have sworn Stewart had more fumbles this year and in the pre-season. Apparently not, so I'm definitely mistaken there as well. I apologize and will quickly fact-check anything like that that I post in the future. Until then, completely disregard my entire post except for the part of Williams/Stewart being used as Foster/Williams was -- but better.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Jonathan Stewart, RB CAR

News: Panthers rookie RB Jonathan Stewart didn't practice Wednesday due to a heel injury, reports the Charlotte Observer. Coach John Fox wouldn't speculate on Stewart's availability for Sunday's game at Oakland. But fellow RB DeAngelo Williams said he expects Stewart to play. "He'll be okay," said Williams. "It was a precautionary thing. I don't think he's hurt. I'm not a trainer, but they do a great job of getting us back on the field. I don't think he'll miss time."

Stewart's getting dinged up already as predicted. He may not be able to take the punishment of the NFL, in any case not good news for Stewart lovers.

 

[C-Bound]

 

[puckalicious]

Jonathan Stewart, RB CAR

News: Panthers rookie RB Jonathan Stewart didn't practice Wednesday due to a heel injury, reports the Charlotte Observer. Coach John Fox wouldn't speculate on Stewart's availability for Sunday's game at Oakland. But fellow RB DeAngelo Williams said he expects Stewart to play. "He'll be okay," said Williams. "It was a precautionary thing. I don't think he's hurt. I'm not a trainer, but they do a great job of getting us back on the field. I don't think he'll miss time."

Stewart's getting dinged up already as predicted. He may not be able to take the punishment of the NFL, in any case not good news for Stewart lovers.

This always irks me. I predict that 100% of NFL players will get dinged up during the season. It seems none of them are able to take the punishment of the NFL. Pansies.

 

[jonboltz]

1. Panthers | Stewart misses practice Thursday (KFFL) Steve Reed, of CarolinaGrowl.com, reports Carolina Panthers RB Jonathan Stewart (heel) did not participate in practice Thursday, Nov. 6. He said he still has a shooting pain when he attempts to push off, making it difficult to run. If he does not practice Friday, Nov. 7, he will not play in the team's Week 10 game.

 

[Cookiemonster]

As for the fumbles... I'm not sure why but I could have sworn Stewart had more fumbles this year and in the pre-season. Apparently not, so I'm definitely mistaken there as well. I apologize and will quickly fact-check anything like that that I post in the future. Until then, completely disregard my entire post except for the part of Williams/Stewart being used as Foster/Williams was -- but better.

That was Mendenhall. 3 (IIRC) preseason fumbles.

 

[The Man With No Name]

No practice for Stewart today either

edit: Gees, for some reason I was thinking today was Friday I know it was stated he didn't practice Thursday.

 

[MDSkinner]

1. Panthers | Stewart misses practice Thursday (KFFL) Steve Reed, of CarolinaGrowl.com, reports Carolina Panthers RB Jonathan Stewart (heel) did not participate in practice Thursday, Nov. 6. He said he still has a shooting pain when he attempts to push off, making it difficult to run. If he does not practice Friday, Nov. 7, he will not play in the team's Week 10 game.

D-Will is getting more and more tempting to start every bit of news that I hear.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Jonathan Stewart, RB CAR

News: Panthers rookie RB Jonathan Stewart didn't practice Wednesday due to a heel injury, reports the Charlotte Observer. Coach John Fox wouldn't speculate on Stewart's availability for Sunday's game at Oakland. But fellow RB DeAngelo Williams said he expects Stewart to play. "He'll be okay," said Williams. "It was a precautionary thing. I don't think he's hurt. I'm not a trainer, but they do a great job of getting us back on the field. I don't think he'll miss time."

Stewart's getting dinged up already as predicted. He may not be able to take the punishment of the NFL, in any case not good news for Stewart lovers.

This always irks me. I predict that 100% of NFL players will get dinged up during the season. It seems none of them are able to take the punishment of the NFL. Pansies.

Yeah, but people like Portis and E.Smith play through them. I have maintained from the start that Stewart lacks durability and that would limit his potential to be a every down back. Rookie year week 10 guys with a injury history is missing practice and his carries were dwindling already. Welcome to T.J.Duckett land Stewart owners.

 

[Loan Sharks]

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Carolina Panthers rookie running back Jonathan Stewart missed his second straight practice Thursday and was in a walking boot to protect his sore left heel.

Panthers coach John Fox said Stewart first complained of the injury two weeks ago. He played in Carolina's win over Arizona on Oct. 26, but was held to 10 yards on eight carries.

The Panthers were off last week, but the injury has kept Stewart sidelined. His status for Sunday's game at Oakland is uncertain.

"To be honest with you he's not really sure when he did it," Fox said. "It just started hurting. He played in the game fine. We'll kind of just wait and see."

Stewart, Carolina's first-round pick, has been splitting carries with veteran DeAngelo Williams. Stewart has rushed for 362 yards and a team-best five touchdowns.

"It's day to day," Fox said. "But any time you don't have a guy out there it's always a concern."

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[jurb26]

Jonathan Stewart, RB CAR

News: Panthers rookie RB Jonathan Stewart didn't practice Wednesday due to a heel injury, reports the Charlotte Observer. Coach John Fox wouldn't speculate on Stewart's availability for Sunday's game at Oakland. But fellow RB DeAngelo Williams said he expects Stewart to play. "He'll be okay," said Williams. "It was a precautionary thing. I don't think he's hurt. I'm not a trainer, but they do a great job of getting us back on the field. I don't think he'll miss time."

Stewart's getting dinged up already as predicted. He may not be able to take the punishment of the NFL, in any case not good news for Stewart lovers.

This always irks me. I predict that 100% of NFL players will get dinged up during the season. It seems none of them are able to take the punishment of the NFL. Pansies.

Yeah, but people like Portis and E.Smith play through them. I have maintained from the start that Stewart lacks durability and that would limit his potential to be a every down back. Rookie year week 10 guys with a injury history is missing practice and his carries were dwindling already. Welcome to T.J.Duckett land Stewart owners.

Stewart's injury history carries over well into his college career.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Am I correct in saying the only other RB the panthers had was Labrandon Toefield? If they had some more they were pretty scrubby. RB depth was a major concern for the draft and Stewart had nice value if he could stay healthy the panthers took him, which appears to be a problem for him. The panthers were drafting a rb period the needed one badly. To say that they went into the draft looking for a Williams replacement when they had to draft a rb is a bit of a reach. They needed a rb Stewart was the play, good maybe, injury prone yeah.

The demise of Williams is greatly exagerated, he is the real deal. Will Stewart play some if he gets healty sure. Kinda like how much T.J. Duckett played for Warrick Dunn.

Stewart may be a good backup for Williams if he can stay on the field.

It will be interesting to see whether that statement is prophetic or wishful thinking.

wishfull thinking. I expect the DW supporters to become very quiet as soon as Stewart starts getting some reps

Well lets see where we are after half the season shall we?Player GP RA RYD YPC TD REC REY YPR TD

D.Williams 8 120 522 4.3 3 12 76 6.3 2

J.Stewart 8 96 362 3.8 5 4 12 1.5 0

If you pro rate out the season you get

Williams 16 240 1044 4.3 6 24 152 6.3 4

W. Dunn 16 230 927 4.0 7 50 377 7.5 2

Stewart 12 144 543 2.8 7 6 18 1.5 0

TJ.Duckett 12 130 507 3.9 4 9 61 6.7 0

That is about as close as you can get stat wise. Please send all cookies and gold stars to my inbox thanks. Oh yeah and I am saying it. Boot boy will miss a few games.

 

[Biabreakable]

if LHUCKS doesn't like him, Williams has got to be worth another look.

this philosophy is turning out to be as $$$ as betting against tommygunz

Hey I am just wondering if Boberly and Switz saw todays game or not.

Here is a link for ya: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=2966...=tab_gamecenter just watch the 3rd video and please tell me again how DeAngelo Williams is not a starting RB and cannot break tackles.

 

[NajehHejan]

if LHUCKS doesn't like him, Williams has got to be worth another look.

this philosophy is turning out to be as $$$ as betting against tommygunz

Hey I am just wondering if Boberly and Switz saw todays game or not.

Here is a link for ya: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=2966...=tab_gamecenter just watch the 3rd video and please tell me again how DeAngelo Williams is not a starting RB and cannot break tackles.

Great tough running, with lots of speed too. DWill looking solid!

 

[JamesTheScot]

if LHUCKS doesn't like him, Williams has got to be worth another look.

this philosophy is turning out to be as $$$ as betting against tommygunz

Hey I am just wondering if Boberly and Switz saw todays game or not.

Here is a link for ya: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=2966...=tab_gamecenter just watch the 3rd video and please tell me again how DeAngelo Williams is not a starting RB and cannot break tackles.

Great tough running, with lots of speed too. DWill looking solid!

Damn you man! We have an oft-repeated generalization that has become the "common knowledge". How dare you challenge this consensus with video proof of a contrary position!DWill is not a starting caliber RB, he just isn't.

Glad I started him this week.

Not so glad I subbed him for Grant instead of Westbrook.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

if LHUCKS doesn't like him, Williams has got to be worth another look.

this philosophy is turning out to be as $$$ as betting against tommygunz

Hey I am just wondering if Boberly and Switz saw todays game or not.

Here is a link for ya: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=2966...=tab_gamecenter just watch the 3rd video and please tell me again how DeAngelo Williams is not a starting RB and cannot break tackles.

Williams has done far better overall than I thought, but a few hand selected plays will not change my opinion of whether breaking tackles and running inside are strengths of his. They aren't. His strength is running in space and making people miss. I still would not trade Stewart even up for him in a dynasty league despite his improved play. Also, break the games down. The top 3 defense in terms of average yards allowed per carry than Williams has faced are the Vikings (10 carries, 27 yards), Bears (11/31), and Bucs (11/27). He has a gravy schedule going forward, including 3 teams that allow over 5 YPC, the Lions, Denver and GB. I'm more interested to see how well he does against the Giants and Bucs.

I will admit he is playing better than I thought he would. But you have to admit he has had a cupcake schedule of run defenses thus far. The real tough run defenses have shut him down to nothing.

I will admit that he is a lot better than I thought overall.

 

[Biabreakable]

if LHUCKS doesn't like him, Williams has got to be worth another look.

this philosophy is turning out to be as $$$ as betting against tommygunz

Hey I am just wondering if Boberly and Switz saw todays game or not.

Here is a link for ya: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=2966...=tab_gamecenter just watch the 3rd video and please tell me again how DeAngelo Williams is not a starting RB and cannot break tackles.

Williams has done far better overall than I thought, but a few hand selected plays will not change my opinion of whether breaking tackles and running inside are strengths of his. They aren't. His strength is running in space and making people miss. I still would not trade Stewart even up for him in a dynasty league despite his improved play. Also, break the games down. The top 3 defense in terms of average yards allowed per carry than Williams has faced are the Vikings (10 carries, 27 yards), Bears (11/31), and Bucs (11/27). He has a gravy schedule going forward, including 3 teams that allow over 5 YPC, the Lions, Denver and GB. I'm more interested to see how well he does against the Giants and Bucs.

I will admit he is playing better than I thought he would. But you have to admit he has had a cupcake schedule of run defenses thus far. The real tough run defenses have shut him down to nothing.

I will admit that he is a lot better than I thought overall.

Way to man up.. kind of. Here is another helping of crow to go with those excuses:

Rk Player Team Pos Att Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Lng 1st 1st% 20+ 40+ FUM 1 Adrian Peterson MIN RB 206 22.9 1,015 4.9 112.8 7 54T 47 22.8 12 2 4 2 Clinton Portis WAS RB 200 22.2 995 5.0 110.6 7 31 50 25.0 10 0 1 3 Michael Turner ATL RB 203 22.6 890 4.4 98.9 7 66T 46 22.7 7 1 1 4 Brandon Jacobs NYG RB 153 17.0 806 5.3 89.6 9 44 42 27.5 9 1 3 5 Thomas Jones NYJ RB 160 17.8 750 4.7 83.3 8 31 40 25.0 4 0 1 6 Chris Johnson TEN RB 160 17.8 723 4.5 80.3 5 66T 32 20.0 3 2 0 7 Matt Forte CHI RB 189 21.0 713 3.8 79.2 4 50T 34 18.0 3 1 0 8 Marion Barber DAL RB 172 19.1 665 3.9 73.9 5 35 42 24.4 4 0 2 9 DeAngelo Williams CAR RB 139 15.4 662 4.8 73.6 4 69T 26 18.7 5 1 010 Frank Gore SF RB 136 17.0 629 4.6 78.6 4 41T 26 19.1 6 1 2 10 LaDainian Tomlinson SD RB 164 18.2 629 3.8 69.9 4 41T 26 15.9 4 2 0 12 Ryan Grant GB RB 173 19.2 625 3.6 69.4 2 57 26 15.0 1 1 3 13 Julius Jones SEA RB 129 14.3 597 4.6 66.3 2 33 25 19.4 6 0 0 14 Jamal Lewis CLE RB 167 18.6 593 3.6 65.9 4 29 25 15.0 3 0 0 15 Earnest Graham TB RB 131 14.6 560 4.3 62.2 4 68T 26 19.8 3 3 2 16 Steve Slaton HOU RB 124 13.8 545 4.4 60.6 5 50 28 22.6 6 2 0 17 Steven Jackson STL RB 128 18.3 525 4.1 75.0 4 56T 27 21.1 3 1 3 18 Marshawn Lynch BUF RB 146 16.2 512 3.5 56.9 6 22 27 18.5 2 0 1 19 Ronnie Brown MIA RB 128 14.2 504 3.9 56.0 9 62T 32 25.0 2 1 0 20 Derrick Ward NYG RB 89 9.9 490 5.5 54.4 1 22 26 29.2 3 0 1 21 Willis McGahee BAL RB 125 15.6 463 3.7 57.9 5 17 29 23.2 0 0 1 22 Brian Westbrook PHI RB 109 15.6 448 4.1 64.0 6 39T 26 23.9 3 0 1 23 Maurice Jones-Drew JAC RB 98 10.9 433 4.4 48.1 9 46T 29 29.6 1 1 0 24 Warrick Dunn TB RB 89 11.1 423 4.8 52.9 1 38 19 21.3 2 0 0 25 LenDale White TEN RB 108 12.0 418 3.9 46.4 11 80T 27 25.0 2 2 0 26 Larry Johnson KC RB 93 18.6 417 4.5 83.4 3 65 19 20.4 4 2 3 27 Kevin Smith DET RB 93 10.3 401 4.3 44.6 5 50 20 21.5 4 1 0 28 Ricky Williams MIA RB 89 9.9 388 4.4 43.1 3 51T 20 22.5 3 1 3 29 Justin Fargas OAK RB 104 14.9 383 3.7 54.7 0 42 15 14.4 1 1 1 29 Jonathan Stewart CAR RB 103 11.4 383 3.7 42.6 5 24 21 20.4 2 0 1http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tab...mp;d-447263-n=1Number 9 RB in the league. Not too shabby for a guy who cannot run inside (not sure if you noticed but a lot of his highlight runs are straight up the middle) cannot break tackles and isn't a starting caliber RB eh?

No need to worry about trading Stewart straight up for him my friend I don't think there would be many takers from the Williams side lol