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A. Green to Houston (1 Viewer)

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Green signs with Houston Texans

By TOM SILVERSTEIN

Posted: March 4, 2007

The Houston Texans made Ahman Green an offer he couldn't refuse, leaving the Green Bay Packers in the dust.

Green agreed to terms with the Texans Sunday on a four-year, $23 million contract that an NFL source said will pay Green $8 million in the first year. The deal reportedly consists of $6.5 million in guaranteed money.

The Packers were offering far less than that and were leery of offering more than $5 million for the 2007 season. The two sides negotiated throughout the day, but the Packers weren't willing to match Houston's offer and let Green go.

Green indicated to Houston reporters Sunday before the deal was announced that it would be hard to leave Green Bay, but apparently the decision was easy when he got wind of the Texans' offer. Undoubtedly, former Packers coach Mike Sherman, who is now the offensive coordinator for the Texans, played a big role in convincing owner Bob McNair to pay such a high price for a 30-year old running back.

The Packers' second all-time leading rusher had made a visit to Denver on Friday and then was flown on McNair's private jet to Houston where he took in a Rockets game Saturday night. After meeting with Texans' officials all day Sunday, Green spoke to reporters and said he didn't know if he could leave Green Bay.

"That's where the majority of my career is at," Green said. "I think speaking in general with anybody that has been in a situation for a long time, regardless of if it was good or bad, I've been there seven years. Some good, some bad, but regardless of the fact, staying or leaving will be tough.

"I don't know yet, but, I think for anybody generally speaking it would be tough to do. When you're a kid and you transfer a school, and that school you have all your buddies. Regardless of if it was good times or bad times, it's still a tough time to leave."

Green's departure leaves the Packers without a lead running back. They are expected to pursue one of the available free agent veterans and take a running back in the draft.

 
Outstanding move by the Texans.

Give Lundy time to develope, while getting a guy who can keep the QB upright on pass protection and do a nice job running the ball.

Not sure where the nay sayers state he's on his last leg, he played pretty damn well in 2006, if they get 2 years from him it's a bargain.

And what about the new theory that RBs are easy to find? If they are this makes it an even better signing IMO. Not too expensive and he moves on in 2 years.

And we have a FF starter in Houston, just need the Pack to get a solid guy.

 
While I loved what Green did for the Packers, it'll be hard for me to miss someone with his history of domestic violence and divorce. Lynch seems like a really solid character guy to take his place if he does fall that far.

 
snorlax said:
While I loved what Green did for the Packers, it'll be hard for me to miss someone with his history of domestic violence and divorce. Lynch seems like a really solid character guy to take his place if he does fall that far.
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You may want to do some research on the "domestic violence" claims against Green. It is widely known that the accuser is a nut job and she did what she could to provoke Green. The fact he divorced that wacko is a good thing for him.As far as Lynch....did you happen to notice he was accused of punching, slapping and sexually assaulting his ex-girlfriend in December. He maintained his innocence from the beginning, and was never arrested or charged.

As far as his first wife...

He was arrested in March 1999 in Kirkland, Wash., after an incident with his then-fiancée, Shalynn Vance, in which he allegedly pushed a door into her face, but charges were dropped when she refused to testify.

He later married Vance and in March 2002, the two were cited by police for disturbing the peace. Prosecutors filed charges against Green's wife but not against him. In May of that year, she alleged abuse by Green and a judge in Nebraska issued an order requiring Green to stay away from Vance's Omaha home. The two later divorced.

 
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snorlax said:
While I loved what Green did for the Packers, it'll be hard for me to miss someone with his history of domestic violence and divorce. Lynch seems like a really solid character guy to take his place if he does fall that far.
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Joe are you saying that divorce is a character issue?
 
snorlax said:
While I loved what Green did for the Packers, it'll be hard for me to miss someone with his history of domestic violence and divorce. Lynch seems like a really solid character guy to take his place if he does fall that far.
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Ummm...Lynch had run ins as well...for what? Assault on a female...might want to check his history first there chief.
 
Fla\/\/ed said:
As a Packer fan and Husker fan I'm disappointed to see Green leave. He didn't want to leave Green Bay and he loved it there. He compared it to Lincoln. However, I'm happy for him he received an offer like that. So many people were ready to write him off prior to last season. His hard work and bounce back season paid off for him. I'm also happy the Packers didn't match the Texans offer. That is way too much money for a 30 year old running back. I do chuckle that Mike Sherman had a lot of input into this signing because that is the same idiot that traded up to draft a punter in the 3rd round. Way to go Mike! :)
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:wub: Sad to see Green go, but it was the right move for the Packers not to match, and I'm happy that Green got a nice payday. :wub:
 
Ahman Green was supposedly on his last legs last year, also. He had a pretty good year. Memories are short.

 
Scooby said:
Does Herron fit in at all with the PAck for next year?
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I expect him to carry a heavy load. In fact, my Packer insiders tell me he'll be handling the bulk of water cooler transport duties during training camp. Hey Culligan man!
 
Scooby said:
Does Herron fit in at all with the PAck for next year?
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I think it completely depends on what the Pack does in the draft at the RB position. At the very least, I think he'll be in competition with Morency for the #2 spot during preseason, assuming the Packers grab a top back in the draft.
 
softball said:
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:
They'll draft another RB or sign somebody, but when you look at rushing yards per attempt, Morency actually outperformed Ahman Green last year:

http://www.nfl.com/teams/stats/GB/2006/regular
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Does that tell the whole story in your opinion? 96 rushes vs. 266? And why does that impact what Green did, which was pretty good?
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No, that tells the YPC story in a factual manner, not in my opinion. Are you a thin skinned Ahman Green fan or something? The Pack will be signing a younger free agent (than Green) and/or drafting a RB.
 
Fla\/\/ed said:
snorlax said:
While I loved what Green did for the Packers, it'll be hard for me to miss someone with his history of domestic violence and divorce. Lynch seems like a really solid character guy to take his place if he does fall that far.
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You may want to do some research on the "domestic violence" claims against Green. It is widely known that the accuser is a nut job and she did what she could to provoke Green. The fact he divorced that wacko is a good thing for him.As far as Lynch....did you happen to notice he was accused of punching, slapping and sexually assaulting his ex-girlfriend in December. He maintained his innocence from the beginning, and was never arrested or charged.

As far as his first wife...

He was arrested in March 1999 in Kirkland, Wash., after an incident with his then-fiancée, Shalynn Vance, in which he allegedly pushed a door into her face, but charges were dropped when she refused to testify.

He later married Vance and in March 2002, the two were cited by police for disturbing the peace. Prosecutors filed charges against Green's wife but not against him. In May of that year, she alleged abuse by Green and a judge in Nebraska issued an order requiring Green to stay away from Vance's Omaha home. The two later divorced.
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I had forgotten about Lynch's issues. I guess a lot of guys have problems.I realize that those incidents were not his fault, but it's hard to say if he doesn't share some of the blame. No one can ever know the answer to that.

Fred, I don't think divorce in itself is necessarily a character issue, but when it's a recurring thing as in Ahman's case then perhaps it's a sign of underlying issues. You might recall I'm ridiculously conservative for the most part.

Ahman was also often standoffish with the press. Of course it's hard to blame him for that as NFL players are thrust somewhat unfairly into the spotlight, but he's dealt with it less well at times then many other players.

I just remembered while watching the news that he finished something like 50 yards short of the Packers' career rushing record. That's kind of funny.

 
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I think this is a good signing for the Texans. Green may only have one or two years left in the tank, but it will allow the Texans to focus on building up much more needed areas of the team.

 
Desert_Power said:
I think this is a good signing for the Texans. Green may only have one or two years left in the tank, but it will allow the Texans to focus on building up much more needed areas of the team.
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I agree very decent signing. Out of curiosity anyone know how many times Green put the ball on the ground last season? TIA
 
I like the signing.

Dom Davis/Williams is probably still not ready to play. Which is sad and costly.

Ahman's value comes with his versatility. Of all the running backs on the texans. Green resembles DDavis/williams skills the most. Carr needs that pass catching rb.

 
I hate to see Green leave the Green & Gold but more power to him for cashing in. Even more power to him for bucking up last year and signing a 1-year deal and staying healthy. I think Green gives Houston at least 3 years of productivity... unless injury happens. No way he sees the 4th year of his contract.

 
Fantasy wise, this may be a slight bump up IMO. Green was getting vultured by Herron on 3rd downs and Morency at various spots throughout the game. That probably wasn't going to change much if he stayed in GB but since Houston has thrown a good bit of money at him I'm sure they're looking for him to be the primary back. He's got no competition behind him (Lundy, Dayne, etc. are all garbage) so he'll get the ball early and often. The big question is what does Houston do at the QB position this year.

 
Banger said:
Fantasy wise, this may be a slight bump up IMO. Green was getting vultured by Herron on 3rd downs and Morency at various spots throughout the game. That probably wasn't going to change much if he stayed in GB but since Houston has thrown a good bit of money at him I'm sure they're looking for him to be the primary back. He's got no competition behind him (Lundy, Dayne, etc. are all garbage) so he'll get the ball early and often. The big question is what does Houston do at the QB position this year.
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I'm actually hoping the bolded is not the case. And I'm a Green owner.Green averaged 19 carries/game last season and he was on the injury report almost every week last year. Admittedly, I didn't really watch any GB games, but it was my impression that his workload, and having other backs that could spell him to keep his legs fresh, was a big reason in why Green did as well as he did last year. I could be wrong, but I think Green will be best served, from a staying-healthy-and-on-the-field standpoint, if he's held under 300 carries.

I'd be happy to see him get 275/1200/8 rushing. I think Kubiak should also be smart enough to fully utilize Green's receiving skills, further adding to his potential FF value.

 
Scooby said:
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I'd have to say no. After Herron put up like a 99 yard effort last year, rather than praise him, the coaching staff was quick to point out how slow he is. They couldn't stop talking about how many yards he left on the field, and how many more Green would've had. Not a good sign for Herron. He might stick around, but I wouldn't expect much.The guy to watch, in my opinion, is Arliss Beach. Green Bay raved about him last training camp. He eventually went to the IR. They still may sign a FA, but I'm really interested to see how Beach does early in camp.

http://www.packers.com/team/players/beach_arliss/

http://wfrv.com/packer/local_story_236121906.html

Arliss Beach Making Name For Himself At Camp

(AP) GREEN BAY A touch of shoulder tendinitis forced running back Arliss Beach to don a red jersey in Green Bay Packer practice Wednesday, alerting teammates that he was off-limits for contact.

The unusual get-up didn't include Beach's last name, the second part of perhaps the catchiest name on the Packers roster.

Yet, with the days dwindling in the preseason, the undrafted rookie is trying to make a name for himself on the field to remain with the team.

"For us rookies, definitely as a free agent, you only have a short period of time, a short window to show them what you can do," Beach said after practice.

So, despite the shoulder discomfort and other ailments that have threatened to derail Beach the last few months, he soldiers on in hopes of beating long odds and earning a spot on the opening-day roster.

Beach served notice in the Packers' most recent preseason game. He rushed for a game-high 50 yards in nine carries, an average of 5.6 yards per rush, in Green Bay's 38-10 victory over Atlanta at Lambeau Field.

Although most of Beach's production came in the second half against the Falcons' backups, the decision-makers in the organization were enthused by his running ability.

"The way he hit it north and south. There was no wasted motion with him. He just saw it and took it. That was really encouraging," offensive coordinator Jeff Jagodzinski said. "And, he kept his pads down. He didn't run high, he ran low. He got what he needed to get. He got all of the yardage that was there. That's what we ask our running backs to do."

Beach also brought a physical presence to the field that belied his 5-foot-10, 219-pound body and endeared him to coach Mike McCarthy.

"I'm in favor of tough guys," McCarthy said. "I think he's a tough, physical football player. He put his foot down and ran with a lot of forward lean. I think he's a young man that has a bright future."

Beach figures to have two more preseason games to secure a playing future in the NFL for the start of this season.

The first wave of roster cuts to 75 players will be Tuesday, just hours after the Packers play at Cincinnati Monday night. The 53-man roster will be set after Green Bay plays its final exhibition game Sept. 1.

As a Kentucky native who played collegiately at Kentucky, Beach is looking forward to Monday's game and what another solid performance, especially in a nationally televised setting, could bring.

"It's kind of close to home, so my family will get to come and see me play," Beach said. "It's big. It's the NFL. It's Monday Night Football. When you were little, you dreamed about playing on Monday night, so it's going to be a big deal. I think I'll be prepared and ready to play."

Beach's tough-guy persona has been an asset in that he's bounced back from a couple of medical hardships without skipping a beat.

He suffered a pulled hamstring on the final day of the Packers' second minicamp in May. The injury kept Beach out of all three weeks of organized team activities in June.

On the third day of training camp, Beach took the brunt of a collision with rookie linebacker Abdul Hodge in a blitz-pickup drill. Beach was left with a concussion and missed the next week of practice.

"Yeah, I've been through a lot," Beach said. "But, you just have to take it in stride. It's probably going to make me better. It makes me realize that I have to start building on other stuff."

Jagodzinski said the lost on-field time hasn't been to Beach's detriment in the crowded competition at running back. Ahman Green is the projected starter. Najeh Davenport, Samkon Gado, Noah Herron and Beach are in the running for two, possibly three backup spots.

"The best thing right now is it's kind of coming down to crunch time," Jagodzinski said. "We're expecting guys to step up. The guys that will will be here. The guys that won't may have to find another place to go."

McCarthy said special teams needs will be among the factors that will play into how many running backs are kept. Beach has proved to be a reliable contributor in that regard.

Gado singled out Beach for busting through the wedge on a kickoff return in Saturday's game. Beach also could fill a void as a kickoff returner.

Special teams coordinator Mike Stock said Beach, who hasn't returned kicks since his freshman year at Kentucky in 2002, will get first crack in the game Monday.

Beach ran back a kickoff 25 yards at San Diego on Aug. 12, the Packers' longest of the preseason.

"That game (Saturday) kind of helped me build my little confidence up and show them that I can run the ball and take care of the ball and do anything on special teams," Beach said. "I'm just trying to make the 53-man roster any way I can. If it's not running back, then special teams. I'm going to do what it takes."

Beach wasn't heralded coming out of Kentucky, having started just nine games in four years. He doesn't have far to look in practice and in position meetings to know that there is room in the league for a young player who was given little chance to succeed.

Gado emerged as an undrafted rookie from Division I-AA Liberty last year and led the injury-riddled Packers in rushing with 582 yards and six touchdowns.

Though mindful that he's in competition with Beach for a roster spot, Gado would love a similar feel-good story to unfold in Green Bay this season.

"He reminds me of myself," Gado said. "So, yeah, a part of me does want him to make it. Actually, a great deal of me wants him to make it."

(© 2006 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

 
Loved watching Green play for the Packers. He was an extraordinary workhorse for several years. Aside from some personal issues and some sweaty armed fumblistis he was a real asset. Definately sorry to see him go. That said he was overpriced. Good for the Packers for not matching as long as they don't overpay to replace him.

 
greyone said:
I like the signing. Dom Davis/Williams is probably still not ready to play. Which is sad and costly. Ahman's value comes with his versatility. Of all the running backs on the texans. Green resembles DDavis/williams skills the most. Carr needs that pass catching rb.
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Dom will never play football again.
 
Hate to say it but this is not a great signing by the Texans. Green is 30, has fumbling issues, and is one year removed from a serious leg injury. The Texans o-line is horrible and their qb isn't any better. What does this do for them? 2 years from now when the team is improved and they have a new qb they will be breaking in another rb. 4 years $23 million? This is more a sign of the weak free agent rb class than a testament to Green's ability. This is an example of why the Packers have only had 1 losing season in 15 years and all the Texans do is lose. It is much better to get rid of a player one year to early than sign him one year to late. 30 year old rb's with an injury history aren't good signings for a bad, young, developing team.

 
jurrassic said:
Hate to say it but this is not a great signing by the Texans. Green is 30, has fumbling issues, and is one year removed from a serious leg injury. The Texans o-line is horrible and their qb isn't any better. What does this do for them? 2 years from now when the team is improved and they have a new qb they will be breaking in another rb. 4 years $23 million? This is more a sign of the weak free agent rb class than a testament to Green's ability. This is an example of why the Packers have only had 1 losing season in 15 years and all the Texans do is lose. It is much better to get rid of a player one year to early than sign him one year to late. 30 year old rb's with an injury history aren't good signings for a bad, young, developing team.
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I think that is the point. There's no reason to draft a guy like Peterson if there is nothing around him. Better to build the rest of the team for the next two years and get a replacement for Green once the wheels fall off. RB's are replacement plug and play cogs in a machine, nothing more. He'll also be lucky to see half of that total $23M since only $6.5 is guaranteed. I'll be happy if we can get some Corey Dillon-esque final years out of him, he turned 30 the season he was traded to the Pats.
 
MORECNY (04 college stats where he shared some with Tater Bell)

| 04/09/04 | | 29 261 2 | |

| 04/09/11 | | 29 184 1 | |

| 04/09/18 | | 18 116 1 | |

| 04/10/02 | | 28 143 2 | 1 3 |

| 04/10/09 | | 27 165 2 | |

| 04/10/16 | | 28 111 1 | |

| 04/10/23 | | 31 173 | |

| 04/10/30 | | 17 93 2 | 1 17 |

| 04/11/06 | | 20 100 1 | 2 76 1 |

| 04/11/27 | | 23 108 | 1 5 |

| 04/12/29 | | 8 20 |

Dont sleep on him....Im not giving out no more gems (LOL)

 
prymetyme25 said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
delusional said:
Nice, now who is blocking for him? Wet paper bags?
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They're in a dome, so they're not even wet.
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i beg to differ Houston has always had a good run blocking line. Who was there to Block for DD? Who was there to block for Ron freaking Dayne?
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I was joking.DD always put up good numbers when healthy yet Carr couldn't get set in a 3-step drop before getting hit. Strangest thing I've ever seen from an O-line. Carr literally had THREE DL in his face before he could take his third step. The center never moved, yet they can run block. How was that even possible? It looked like Tecmo and the defense had called the play.
 
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Jeff Pasquino said:
prymetyme25 said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
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Nice, now who is blocking for him? Wet paper bags?
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They're in a dome, so they're not even wet.
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i beg to differ Houston has always had a good run blocking line. Who was there to Block for DD? Who was there to block for Ron freaking Dayne?
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I was joking.DD always put up good numbers when healthy yet Carr couldn't get set in a 3-step drop before getting hit. Strangest thing I've ever seen from an O-line. Carr literally had THREE DL in his face before he could take his third step. The center never moved, yet they can run block. How was that even possible? It looked like Tecmo and the defense had called the play.
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I was reffering to the other guy before yours. And yes it was odd I think it was more of a coaching flaws than personel. They could even pick up a simple line stunt. Alot of DEs made alot of money off of the texans o-line. It was actually a run blocking line. Mountain at RT in Wand. Weigart was never a good pass blocker but all a good run man. McKinney was a run blocker at C. Pitts well dont know what he really is yet. No LT until Spencer who is hurt now. So they ran alot of Power Right OFf Tackle.
 
prymetyme25 said:
greyone said:
I like the signing. Dom Davis/Williams is probably still not ready to play. Which is sad and costly. Ahman's value comes with his versatility. Of all the running backs on the texans. Green resembles DDavis/williams skills the most. Carr needs that pass catching rb.
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Dom will never play football again.
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overrated as all hell anyway imho
 
Like most of the Pack fans on here, I'm sad to see him go. When they announced early this year that both sides wanted to work somehting out, I thought it might.

But it's nice that it seems that everyone parted ways with no ill feelings. I think Ahman knows that it would be silly for the Pack to match the Texans, and on the same note, the Packers knew that it was a deal he couldn't leave on the table.

So good moves for everyone with the cards that were dealt.

I think that the only thing that would be a negative, would be the historical impact that Green will get. I think someone noted that Houston was the place that RB's go to die, and while it might not be next year, Green will most likely fade to a has-been and end his career in texas.

I guess I was just hoping to see one of my favorite players from the Pack retire as Packer. . . .even if he didnt go out on top. Oh well. . . .Thats biz I suppose.

Suppose I have to change my Avatar now :goodposting:

 
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The center never moved, yet they can run block. How was that even possible? It looked like Tecmo and the defense had called the play.
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You are really dating yourself with that quote Jeff. The original LT was insanely fast. Buffalo's offense was simply unstoppable unless you had the Giant's D. Barry Sanders was simply sick in that game.
 
salmonstud said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
The center never moved, yet they can run block. How was that even possible? It looked like Tecmo and the defense had called the play.
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You are really dating yourself with that quote Jeff. The original LT was insanely fast. Buffalo's offense was simply unstoppable unless you had the Giant's D. Barry Sanders was simply sick in that game.
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:lmao: :thumbup: Brian Noble was the shiznit. when they hike it all you have to do is dive in with himand sack the qb!!! Howie Long was a beast too. Bo Jackson was unreal. Bo isn't on any Madden game is he?
 
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