A look at the 2006 Panther RBs (1 Viewer)

[gianmarco]

No arguing that. But you can pretty much say that about ANY team if a RB can get 300+ carries. And of almost any team in the league, I see Carolina at the very bottom of the list of that happening. When I read "decent" #'s, I'd consider that at least above average, and I don't think a Carolina RB getting 300+ carries would be anything but average, just like Edge was last year. Ranking 20th is average, not decent. But, our definitions on that could differ.

Bottomline for me is that I don't see 1 RB emerging from that mess.

 

[David Yudkin]

No arguing that. But you can pretty much say that about ANY team if a RB can get 300+ carries. And of almost any team in the league, I see Carolina at the very bottom of the list of that happening. When I read "decent" #'s, I'd consider that at least above average, and I don't think a Carolina RB getting 300+ carries would be anything but average, just like Edge was last year. Ranking 20th is average, not decent. But, our definitions on that could differ.Bottomline for me is that I don't see 1 RB emerging from that mess.

We are saying the same things on this one. I don't think that the CAR running game is anything to write home about. However, my job is to try to point players/situations where someone will pay dividends greater than their initial startup costs (in this case performing better than their draft positions).There are FBG staffers that have Williams ranked in their Top 20 RBs which IMO is too high. I've also seen him drafted far too early this year (IMO) and I don't see him as a great value this year given his draft spot. However, Foster getting selected in the RB40s could represent very could value if he again is the guy that at least starts the year seeing 20 touches a game. If he ranked in the 20s that would be an excellent ROI. I recently drafted Foster as a fifth RB in a redraft league and IMO that gives me very solid RB depth (or ptoential trade bait).You're right, the chances of any CAR RB coming out of nowhere to produce a Frank Gore like season is very remote. I've outlined in numerous threads how mediocre that CAR RB has been and I'm certainly not going to say otherwise here. But there is a chance that a RB from CAR could be an ok RB2 or RB3 and if the opportunity costs are low enough that could still be a decent value.

 

[gianmarco]

No arguing that. But you can pretty much say that about ANY team if a RB can get 300+ carries. And of almost any team in the league, I see Carolina at the very bottom of the list of that happening. When I read "decent" #'s, I'd consider that at least above average, and I don't think a Carolina RB getting 300+ carries would be anything but average, just like Edge was last year. Ranking 20th is average, not decent. But, our definitions on that could differ.Bottomline for me is that I don't see 1 RB emerging from that mess.

We are saying the same things on this one. I don't think that the CAR running game is anything to write home about. However, my job is to try to point players/situations where someone will pay dividends greater than their initial startup costs (in this case performing better than their draft positions).There are FBG staffers that have Williams ranked in their Top 20 RBs which IMO is too high. I've also seen him drafted far too early this year (IMO) and I don't see him as a great value this year given his draft spot. However, Foster getting selected in the RB40s could represent very could value if he again is the guy that at least starts the year seeing 20 touches a game. If he ranked in the 20s that would be an excellent ROI. I recently drafted Foster as a fifth RB in a redraft league and IMO that gives me very solid RB depth (or ptoential trade bait).You're right, the chances of any CAR RB coming out of nowhere to produce a Frank Gore like season is very remote. I've outlined in numerous threads how mediocre that CAR RB has been and I'm certainly not going to say otherwise here. But there is a chance that a RB from CAR could be an ok RB2 or RB3 and if the opportunity costs are low enough that could still be a decent value.

I think you're absolutely right. For redraft purposes, Foster is actually the guy to have for this year both in terms of value and possibly even production. William's drafters could be super disappointed.

 

[mdog1967]

No arguing that. But you can pretty much say that about ANY team if a RB can get 300+ carries. And of almost any team in the league, I see Carolina at the very bottom of the list of that happening. When I read "decent" #'s, I'd consider that at least above average, and I don't think a Carolina RB getting 300+ carries would be anything but average, just like Edge was last year. Ranking 20th is average, not decent. But, our definitions on that could differ.Bottomline for me is that I don't see 1 RB emerging from that mess.

We are saying the same things on this one. I don't think that the CAR running game is anything to write home about. However, my job is to try to point players/situations where someone will pay dividends greater than their initial startup costs (in this case performing better than their draft positions).There are FBG staffers that have Williams ranked in their Top 20 RBs which IMO is too high. I've also seen him drafted far too early this year (IMO) and I don't see him as a great value this year given his draft spot. However, Foster getting selected in the RB40s could represent very could value if he again is the guy that at least starts the year seeing 20 touches a game. If he ranked in the 20s that would be an excellent ROI. I recently drafted Foster as a fifth RB in a redraft league and IMO that gives me very solid RB depth (or ptoential trade bait).You're right, the chances of any CAR RB coming out of nowhere to produce a Frank Gore like season is very remote. I've outlined in numerous threads how mediocre that CAR RB has been and I'm certainly not going to say otherwise here. But there is a chance that a RB from CAR could be an ok RB2 or RB3 and if the opportunity costs are low enough that could still be a decent value.

I think you're absolutely right. For redraft purposes, Foster is actually the guy to have for this year both in terms of value and possibly even production. William's drafters could be super disappointed.

I agree, Foster is Proven(cough, cough, cough), I really believe Williams is a third down back, I own Foster in one league and cant wait for a decent string of games in order to trade him away as quick as possible. I think Carolina will be looking for a feature back by next year. I'm not a Williams fan.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

For the last few years, I have heard many times how the Carolina Panthers are a good rushing team and how it is good to have the Panther RBs on your fantasy team. But, after looking at the numbers of the five years John Fox has been the Panther Head Coach, the statistics disagree with this notion. Here are some observations from these five years: The high TD rusher per year had: 7, 8, 6, 12, 3 (or an average of 7 per season) The team averaged 10.2 rushing TDs per year The RB with the most carries had: 210, 318, 217, 205, 223 (avg. 235 carries/yr) The RB with the 2nd most rushes had: 101, 113, 68, 180, 121 (avg. 117 carries/yr) The Panthers have ranked in the bottom half of the NFL all 5 years in YPC In 4 of the 5 years, the Panthers have been in the bottom half of the NFL in: Rush yards and Rush TDs Only one year did the Panthers, as a team, eclipse the 4.00 YPC mark, but still 17th in NFLThe five years Fox has been head coach, the Panthers’ record has been:2002 7-92003 11-52004 7-92005 11-52006 8-8 The only two years the Panthers had a winning record were the only two years that the Panthers: were in the top half of the NFL in rush attempts (and top 10 both years) and were 28th pass attempts both years. Also, in those two years, the Panthers were in the top 10 in the NFL in passing YPA. These were the only two years Stephen Davis was a Panther and was healthy. Is it a coincidence that the only two years the Panthers ran the ball a lot were the two years the Panthers had a winning record? The Panthers fired offensive coordinator Dan Henning and offensive line coach Mike Maser. Henning was replaced with Jeff Davidson from the Cleveland Browns. Davidson’s specialty is the offensive line and the running game. Many think this change indicates that the Panthers will be more of a run-first team once again. Davidson took over as interim offensive coordinator for the last ten games of the season for the Browns after Maurice Carthon resigned. Before that, he was an assistant coach and the offensive line coach. Davidson was with the Patriots from 1997-2004 as the tight ends coach and assistant offensive line coach. One odd sidenote: the Browns averaged 14.7 points per game under Carthon and 15 points per game under Davidson. The Browns had a total of 1335 total rushing yards with Droughns, and his 758 rushing yards, leading the way.But, Droughns’ yards per attempt rose from 3.2 with Carthon at the helm to 3.58 with Davidson. I know the offensive line gelled some and there are other factors at work as well.What does this mean for DeAngelo Williams and DeShaun Foster? Will either get enough carries to be a viable RB going forward? I do not know. But, I do know that the carries have to increase to make Williams worth what his fantasy owners paid for him. Also, will the Panthers look for a pounding RB similar to what they had in Stephen Davis? Many questions left to answer, but I see the Panther RBs as a risky proposition going forward.For reference purposes, all data came from pro-football-reference.com

this is from two years ago, but I thought I would bump this thread because this is why the Panthers drafted Stewart. Is there enough opportunity in this offense to make Stewart viable?