A PPR dynasty start draft, strategy for the 12/13 turn (1 Viewer)

[plyka]

I think the topic title says it all,

I read through another thread regarding picking with the last pick in a 12-man draft and I got a lot of useful info from it. Wondering if anyone has any more useful information I can add to my strategy when taking into consideration that it is PPR along with a dynasty start draft. This is the best league I've ever been with, full of sharks, no dummies, everyone brings their A game. I love it, but it's going to mean that there won't be many values in this draft.

Here is my strategy going in:

12/13 picks

1) Rodgers if he is there (doubtful)

2) Fitz (will be there)

3) I would love to go with a 2nd WR here but i just don't see any other WR worthy of the 13th pick. Any suggestions here, remember that it's a keeper league.

4) Ryan Mathews if available.

5) I may eat my crazy pills and go for Jamaal Charles since it is PPR and he won't be around by my next pick.

36/37

1) Jonathan Stewart will most likely be here.

2) Jamaal Charles, very unlikely.

3) Javid Best/Spiller. I'm planning on taking 1 here. Neither will be around by the 60th pick. This is a keeper remember. Would i be insane to take Spiller at #36? Even though it's a keeper? I rate him higher than Best over the long term, and my main goal is to create a base for success over the coming 5 years or so.

4) Beenie Wells

5) Arian Foster/Matt Forte. Maybe if i have no other choices.

6) Crabtree. In a redraft i got Crabtree at pick 60/61 along with Bowe, but this is a PPR/keeper, and so he won't be around. Is he worth a 37 pick? In a keeper/ppr?

60/61

1) Crabtree/Bowe. I got both these with basically these same people (minus a few, add a few) in a redraft non-ppr league a week ago. I highly doubt that either fall this far.

2) Spiller/Best/Felix. These guys are highly unlikely to fall this far, but if they do, they will be my selections.

3) Kolb if i don't get Rodgers and or the above guys are missing.

4) Highest available WR/RB.

I won't go any further since this post is long enough already. Perhaps if i get enough responses and we talk about the above, i'll finish my strategy for the rest of my picks. I'm just wondering whether any of my picks are out of line, or if i'm not putting enough (or putting too much) value on it being a keeper/ppr league since a redraft/nonppr is my baseline for everything i've learned.

Thanks for the help.

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

Would angle toward Calvin Johnson over Mathews in PPR dynasty, but that's me. Especially if your guesses about the available RB's at 36/37 are correct. Pair them (Calvin/Fitz) with say Best/Forte and you're set with a very strong looking PPR core for years.

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

Cavin/Fitz for your 12 and 13 pick

Look back 2-3 years in dynasty drafts and you'll see very good sleeper RB's appear around pick 30-100. The WR's on the other hand have held steady. Imagine if you grabbed someone like Addai in the 1st round a couple years back.

 

[plyka]

Would angle toward Calvin Johnson over Mathews in PPR dynasty, but that's me. Especially if your guesses about the available RB's at 36/37 are correct. Pair them (Calvin/Fitz) with say Best/Forte and you're set with a very strong looking PPR core for years.

Thanks. I was thinking going WR/WR at the start instead of Mathews. In a dynasty, Spiller may be the better back over the longer term. Calvin/Fitz is probably my favorite WR/WR combo, but i've been reading a lot of "expert" fantasy guys and they have swung me a bit towards Fitz/Austin.Also, at the 36/37, do you suppose that Spiller/Best would be a reach? Or is it justified in a keeper/dynasty? Thanks.

 

[plyka]

Cavin/Fitz for your 12 and 13 pickLook back 2-3 years in dynasty drafts and you'll see very good sleeper RB's appear around pick 30-100. The WR's on the other hand have held steady. Imagine if you grabbed someone like Addai in the 1st round a couple years back.

The 2nd Calvin/Fitz guy, lol. I think it is obvious that these two have perhaps the best physical tools of ANY receivers, Andre Johnson included. Maybe i just love Fitz? Not sure, but i would put his skills up against any receivers.But what do you guys think of the 36/37 pick, in a keeper/dynasty league, how should my strategy change? I will obviously go RB/RB if i go WR/WR to start the draft.edit: also forgot to ask, would it be insane to take Jamaal Charles at the 12/13 spot in a dynasty/ppr?

 

[bengalbuck]

Would angle toward Calvin Johnson over Mathews in PPR dynasty, but that's me. Especially if your guesses about the available RB's at 36/37 are correct. Pair them (Calvin/Fitz) with say Best/Forte and you're set with a very strong looking PPR core for years.

Thanks. I was thinking going WR/WR at the start instead of Mathews. In a dynasty, Spiller may be the better back over the longer term. Calvin/Fitz is probably my favorite WR/WR combo, but i've been reading a lot of "expert" fantasy guys and they have swung me a bit towards Fitz/Austin.Also, at the 36/37, do you suppose that Spiller/Best would be a reach? Or is it justified in a keeper/dynasty? Thanks.

In a PPR, I would definitely take Best that high. He's going to catch a lot of passes and is entrenched as the starting RB in what should be a nice up and coming offense with 2 other top young guys. I'm a little more hesitant on Spiller, but I could definitely justify it. The problem with him is that there are so many obstacles for him being a really top guy. The OL is a mess. The QB is a problem. He doesn't have a guy like Calvin Johnson to keep defenses honest. He is a little less proven as a between the tackles type guy...but he's a good player and worst case is Reggie Bush, who in PPR is still pretty solid. Just a little homer tidbit for you: Jordan Shipley and Jermaine Gresham are going to be mainstays in the Cincy offense for a long time. By next season, I expect Shipley to fill the old TJ Housh role which allowed TJ to lead the league in catches. Gresham is going to be startable this year in 12 team leagues and has a very, very bright future ahead of him. You should be able to get those guys pretty late. Do it and you'll be happy.

 

[HenryMuto]

I did 2 dynasty start up 12 man drafts this year and both were PPR so I have a pretty good idea of how the drafts should go.

In 1 of them AJ, Calvin and Fitz were gone by pick 9

In the other Fitz actally made it to pick 12 where he was picked.

Rodgers went in the 1st round in both but personally I hate taking a QB that high.

 

[HenryMuto]

I think the topic title says it all,

I read through another thread regarding picking with the last pick in a 12-man draft and I got a lot of useful info from it. Wondering if anyone has any more useful information I can add to my strategy when taking into consideration that it is PPR along with a dynasty start draft. This is the best league I've ever been with, full of sharks, no dummies, everyone brings their A game. I love it, but it's going to mean that there won't be many values in this draft.

Here is my strategy going in:

12/13 picks

1) Rodgers if he is there (doubtful)

2) Fitz (will be there)

3) I would love to go with a 2nd WR here but i just don't see any other WR worthy of the 13th pick. Any suggestions here, remember that it's a keeper league.

4) Ryan Mathews if available.

5) I may eat my crazy pills and go for Jamaal Charles since it is PPR and he won't be around by my next pick.

36/37

1) Jonathan Stewart will most likely be here.

2) Jamaal Charles, very unlikely.

3) Javid Best/Spiller. I'm planning on taking 1 here. Neither will be around by the 60th pick. This is a keeper remember. Would i be insane to take Spiller at #36? Even though it's a keeper? I rate him higher than Best over the long term, and my main goal is to create a base for success over the coming 5 years or so.

4) Beenie Wells

5) Arian Foster/Matt Forte. Maybe if i have no other choices.

6) Crabtree. In a redraft i got Crabtree at pick 60/61 along with Bowe, but this is a PPR/keeper, and so he won't be around. Is he worth a 37 pick? In a keeper/ppr?

60/61

1) Crabtree/Bowe. I got both these with basically these same people (minus a few, add a few) in a redraft non-ppr league a week ago. I highly doubt that either fall this far.

2) Spiller/Best/Felix. These guys are highly unlikely to fall this far, but if they do, they will be my selections.

3) Kolb if i don't get Rodgers and or the above guys are missing.

4) Highest available WR/RB.

I won't go any further since this post is long enough already. Perhaps if i get enough responses and we talk about the above, i'll finish my strategy for the rest of my picks. I'm just wondering whether any of my picks are out of line, or if i'm not putting enough (or putting too much) value on it being a keeper/ppr league since a redraft/nonppr is my baseline for everything i've learned.

Thanks for the help.

1st off when is the draft ? Are you using MFL ? Do you have a link ? Both my drafts took 2 weeks were slow drafts obviously your draft has to be a normal speed draft at this point. The slow drafts are crazy I had like 30 trades in the one and 50+ trades in the other.If you want a link to see how my last draft went here it is

http://football20.myfantasyleague.com/2010...=28326&O=17

Maybe it will help you out on a few of the players.

Certain guys will move up the list since we did started this on Aug 14th.

Also we did 2 seperate drafts (vets and rookies) but my other draft had both combined so I can give you an idea where some rookies should go.

Mathews went in the 2nd round, Best in the 3rd, Bryant and Spiller in the 4th.

As for my link draft a few players that will move way up in your draft compared to mine because of the timing of the draft.

Foster, Huggins and Mike Williams (Sea)

Hopefully this helps.

Also if for some reason CJ and Fitz are there at 12/13 you draft them and never look back.

As for some of the players you were talking about.

Stewart I took in both my new dynasty drafts.

I got him at 30 and 32 for reference.

Crabtree will go way higher then you think this is not a redraft and he went 21 and 27 in the 2 drafts.

Mathews went 15 in the 1 were they were combined

Charles went 13 and 17

Don't pick Charles at 13, WR's last longer and in PPR you can build your team around 2 stud WR's for many years to come.

A RB like Stewart at pick 36 would be a dream for you this guy is going to be a stud starting next year while still solid this year.

 

[Dragon1952]

You don't see any other WR worthy of the 13th pick? Hmmm....

 

[plyka]

Would angle toward Calvin Johnson over Mathews in PPR dynasty, but that's me. Especially if your guesses about the available RB's at 36/37 are correct. Pair them (Calvin/Fitz) with say Best/Forte and you're set with a very strong looking PPR core for years.

Thanks. I was thinking going WR/WR at the start instead of Mathews. In a dynasty, Spiller may be the better back over the longer term. Calvin/Fitz is probably my favorite WR/WR combo, but i've been reading a lot of "expert" fantasy guys and they have swung me a bit towards Fitz/Austin.Also, at the 36/37, do you suppose that Spiller/Best would be a reach? Or is it justified in a keeper/dynasty? Thanks.

In a PPR, I would definitely take Best that high. He's going to catch a lot of passes and is entrenched as the starting RB in what should be a nice up and coming offense with 2 other top young guys. I'm a little more hesitant on Spiller, but I could definitely justify it. The problem with him is that there are so many obstacles for him being a really top guy. The OL is a mess. The QB is a problem. He doesn't have a guy like Calvin Johnson to keep defenses honest. He is a little less proven as a between the tackles type guy...but he's a good player and worst case is Reggie Bush, who in PPR is still pretty solid. Just a little homer tidbit for you: Jordan Shipley and Jermaine Gresham are going to be mainstays in the Cincy offense for a long time. By next season, I expect Shipley to fill the old TJ Housh role which allowed TJ to lead the league in catches. Gresham is going to be startable this year in 12 team leagues and has a very, very bright future ahead of him. You should be able to get those guys pretty late. Do it and you'll be happy.

Thanks for the response. I'm actually higher on spiller than i am on Best, based on talent alone. I just have NEVER seen backs like Javid Best become successful in the NFL. Literally, i have never seen it. Remember that the same hype surrounded Bush his first year, and these two remind me of each other. They both lack the thickness to run inside the tackles. With their frames, it just can't be done. I highly doubt that there will ever be a back that can simply outrun defenses. NFL players are just too fast. He will need to be like a Chris Johnson, blazing speed but also compact and tough. Best isn't really like that. It's not to say that he can't be successful, it's just that i've never seen it. CJ SPiller on the other hand actually reminds me of Chris Johnson. He is much thicker than Best, more compact and tougher to bring down. Both may turn out to be great, but i currently think that CJ has the higher chance. Of course Best is in the better situation, for now, so it's a tough call.

 

[plyka]

I think the topic title says it all,

I read through another thread regarding picking with the last pick in a 12-man draft and I got a lot of useful info from it. Wondering if anyone has any more useful information I can add to my strategy when taking into consideration that it is PPR along with a dynasty start draft. This is the best league I've ever been with, full of sharks, no dummies, everyone brings their A game. I love it, but it's going to mean that there won't be many values in this draft.

Here is my strategy going in:

12/13 picks

1) Rodgers if he is there (doubtful)

2) Fitz (will be there)

3) I would love to go with a 2nd WR here but i just don't see any other WR worthy of the 13th pick. Any suggestions here, remember that it's a keeper league.

4) Ryan Mathews if available.

5) I may eat my crazy pills and go for Jamaal Charles since it is PPR and he won't be around by my next pick.

36/37

1) Jonathan Stewart will most likely be here.

2) Jamaal Charles, very unlikely.

3) Javid Best/Spiller. I'm planning on taking 1 here. Neither will be around by the 60th pick. This is a keeper remember. Would i be insane to take Spiller at #36? Even though it's a keeper? I rate him higher than Best over the long term, and my main goal is to create a base for success over the coming 5 years or so.

4) Beenie Wells

5) Arian Foster/Matt Forte. Maybe if i have no other choices.

6) Crabtree. In a redraft i got Crabtree at pick 60/61 along with Bowe, but this is a PPR/keeper, and so he won't be around. Is he worth a 37 pick? In a keeper/ppr?

60/61

1) Crabtree/Bowe. I got both these with basically these same people (minus a few, add a few) in a redraft non-ppr league a week ago. I highly doubt that either fall this far.

2) Spiller/Best/Felix. These guys are highly unlikely to fall this far, but if they do, they will be my selections.

3) Kolb if i don't get Rodgers and or the above guys are missing.

4) Highest available WR/RB.

I won't go any further since this post is long enough already. Perhaps if i get enough responses and we talk about the above, i'll finish my strategy for the rest of my picks. I'm just wondering whether any of my picks are out of line, or if i'm not putting enough (or putting too much) value on it being a keeper/ppr league since a redraft/nonppr is my baseline for everything i've learned.

Thanks for the help.

1st off when is the draft ? Are you using MFL ? Do you have a link ? Both my drafts took 2 weeks were slow drafts obviously your draft has to be a normal speed draft at this point. The slow drafts are crazy I had like 30 trades in the one and 50+ trades in the other.If you want a link to see how my last draft went here it is

http://football20.myfantasyleague.com/2010...=28326&O=17

Maybe it will help you out on a few of the players.

Certain guys will move up the list since we did started this on Aug 14th.

Also we did 2 seperate drafts (vets and rookies) but my other draft had both combined so I can give you an idea where some rookies should go.

Mathews went in the 2nd round, Best in the 3rd, Bryant and Spiller in the 4th.

As for my link draft a few players that will move way up in your draft compared to mine because of the timing of the draft.

Foster, Huggins and Mike Williams (Sea)

Hopefully this helps.

Also if for some reason CJ and Fitz are there at 12/13 you draft them and never look back.

As for some of the players you were talking about.

Stewart I took in both my new dynasty drafts.

I got him at 30 and 32 for reference.

Crabtree will go way higher then you think this is not a redraft and he went 21 and 27 in the 2 drafts.

Mathews went 15 in the 1 were they were combined

Charles went 13 and 17

Don't pick Charles at 13, WR's last longer and in PPR you can build your team around 2 stud WR's for many years to come.

A RB like Stewart at pick 36 would be a dream for you this guy is going to be a stud starting next year while still solid this year.

Thanks for your response man, it was extremely helpful and i really mean it! Thanks. I am pretty sure that Fitz and Calvin will be there waiting for me at 12/13, although I'm obviously not sure. My draft is tomorrow at 730pm pacific (9/8/2010). The reason i say so is because both Fitz and Calvin have been falling pretty late in standard drafts, Fitz has been falling all the way to 20 in some of the mock drafts i've been doing. Granted these are not dynasty/ppr leagues, but his stock is so down now that i can't see him going before me. Calvin maybe, but fitz probably not. I just can't see who gets kicked out to make room for those 2 in the top 12?

I am very high on Stewart as well. Deangelo will most likely not be there next year which will make Stewart the main back. His value is top 5-7 as the premier back in my opinion. And he is usually injury free since as far as i know he hasn't missed a game in his career (please don't jinx him!). If this was a typical dynasty draft then i probably wouldn't get him at 36, but in a PPR dynasty i think he will for sure be there.

CJ Spiller/Best/Crabtree are the 3 that are bothering me. In a redraft i know exactly where to draft them, if they are there, but in a dynasty i'm not sure how to properly calculate their value.

 

[kremenull]

Since you're out of the mix for the established elite dynasty players, I would draft a very young team in a PPR League. Out of the first 3 selections, I'd be targeting 3 of these 4 players (Best, Spiller, Rodgers, Dez). The trick will be how to get 3 of them from the corner position. It will require a trade, obviously. Trade one of the 12/13 overall down to a later 2nd and move up the 36/37 to an earlier 3rd.....Then you may have to move the early 3rd up into the mid-2nd.

In the ensuing rounds, I'd target the guys I believe are ready to arrive in a big way, and avoid guys over 28, other than a QB, maybe. Sure, you may take a few lumps Year 1, but I simply wouldn't sell out my team's future by drafting aging and/or declining redraft players like Moss, Wayne, Grant, Addai, Gore, Boldin, etc. In drawing the 12th spot, you have the position to get the marquee young players.

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

Out of the first 3 selections, I'd be targeting 3 of these 4 players (Best, Spiller, Rodgers, Dez).

if he wanted to destroy his team

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

You don't see any other WR worthy of the 13th pick? Hmmm....

Can probably assume Andre is long gone. Not sure I'd consider Moss that high in a dynasty startup, at least when viable and younger alternatives were available. And I feel like it's a little early for future league MVP Dexter McCluster.

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

You don't see any other WR worthy of the 13th pick? Hmmm....

Can probably assume Andre is long gone. Not sure I'd consider Moss that high in a dynasty startup, at least when viable and younger alternatives were available. And I feel like it's a little early for future league MVP Dexter McCluster.

Roddy, Fitz, Calvin would all be good at 12/13..if one of Fitz/Calvin are taken, you could probably trade down and grab Roddy later. These are PROVEN commodities. You don't go for Best, Spiller, Bryant for your first two picks. Terrible advice.

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

You don't see any other WR worthy of the 13th pick? Hmmm....

Can probably assume Andre is long gone. Not sure I'd consider Moss that high in a dynasty startup, at least when viable and younger alternatives were available. And I feel like it's a little early for future league MVP Dexter McCluster.

Roddy, Fitz, Calvin would all be good at 12/13..if one of Fitz/Calvin are taken, you could probably trade down and grab Roddy later. These are PROVEN commodities. You don't go for Best, Spiller, Bryant for your first two picks. Terrible advice.

 

[plyka]

You don't see any other WR worthy of the 13th pick? Hmmm....

Hmmm, interesting and insightful post, thank you for that.

 

[kremenull]

I replied above before reading your original post. I must say that there are a whole lot of unrealistic targets in your original post. In fact, about 70% are simply not gonna happen. If you want Best, Spiller, Crabtree type of players, the late 2nd round is your last opportunity to snare them. And Fitz is no lock to be available at 12, Calvin no chance at 12.

 

[kremenull]

Out of the first 3 selections, I'd be targeting 3 of these 4 players (Best, Spiller, Rodgers, Dez).

if he wanted to destroy his team

You'd have to trust that you'd be able to make it work with a start like this......I have that trust in my evaluations and drafting in the money rounds (6-11).

 

[plyka]

I wanted to thank everyone for their advice! It helped a lot. Here are my results from tonight's draft, any suggestions are welcome. I have some regrets, but overall I thought it was a great draft for me. I reached on a few guys and missed out on others because i waited. Demaryius Thomas was a guy i was very high on, but i didn't pick him in the 12-13 rounds when i had a chance, which i very much regret. Crabtree i reached on i believe which is unfortunate, but i'm positive if i would have waited i wouldn't have got him in my next turn since i basically have to wait 2 rounds between picks.

Remember that this is a PPR dynasty league (we keep either 6 or 7 players with no penalty). Here is the scoring:

5 pts per TD thrown, 6pts for receiving/rushing TDs

1 pt per reception

return TD 10 pts

fumble/INT -2 pts

A bunch of extra crap for Kicking/Defense

Here is how my draft went, remember that i had the 12th/13th picks:

1. (12) Larry Fitzgerald WR

2. (13) Calvin Johnson WR

3. (36) Jahvid Best RB

4. (37) Michael Crabtree WR

5. (60) Matt Forte RB

6. (61) Dwayne Bowe WR

7. (84) Kevin Kolb QB

8. (85) Brent Celek TE

9. (108) Darren Sproles RB

10. (109) LaDainian Tomlinson RB

11. (132) Golden Tate WR

12. (133) Jabar Gaffney WR

13. (156) Rob Bironas K

14. (157) New Orleans DEF

15. (180) Jason Snelling RB

16. (181) Larry Johnson RB

I got my first 2 as i predicted, but Michael Turner also fell to me at 12/13. I had to think about it really hard not to take him, but this is a dynasty/PPR league (we keep 6-7 players with no penalty). I was hoping i could get Jonathan Stewart and/or Spiller at the 36/37 spot, probably with Crabtree. If push came to shove, i probably would have actually taken Stewart and Spiller and hoped that Crabtree stayed until my 60th pick. In the end, i may have reached for Best/Crabtree with the 36/37 picks because i'm not all that high on Best, despite this being a PPR/dynasty league. I was very fortunate with my 60/61 picks i thought because Forte/Bowe were left for me. Kolb/Celek at 84 i thought again i got lucky. Can't believe a TE on Celek's level stayed around until 84. I missed out on Mike Williams from Seattle who i am incredibly high on, someone took him before my 84/85 picks. LT was picked at 109 despite this being a dynasty league for what he brings to me this year, since i thought my backs may be a bit weak. Overall i think i did great. My WR's are by far the strongest, with TE and QB being high quality as well. I'm thinking of picking up Sam Bradford, and the last 2 picks are empty since i'll probably be dropping them soon for others.

Well, please tell me what you guys think. Here is the entire draft, give me your insights:

Round 1

1. Aaron Rodgers

(GB - QB) Hellblazer Hogs

2. Ray Rice

(Bal - RB) JohnAnthony

3. Adrian Peterson

(Min - RB) Reeses Peeses

4. Chris Johnson

(Ten - RB) Eastsidaz

5. Andre Johnson

(Hou - WR) shelikesushi

6. Ryan Mathews

(SD - RB) Pitbullz

7. Drew Brees

(NO - QB) N.O.Explode

8. Maurice Jones-Drew

(Jac - RB) The Replacem...

9. DeAngelo Williams

(Car - RB) RedRockThoro...

10. Frank Gore

(SF - RB) swag delicious

11. Peyton Manning

(Ind - QB) Newton's Rol...

12. Larry Fitzgerald

(Ari - WR) Plyka's Defense

Round 2

1. Calvin Johnson

(Det - WR) Plyka's Defense

2. Randy Moss

(NE - WR) Newton's Rol...

3. Greg Jennings

(GB - WR) swag delicious

4. Steven Jackson

(StL - RB) RedRockThoro...

5. Miles Austin

(Dal - WR) The Replacem...

6. Reggie Wayne

(Ind - WR) N.O.Explode

7. Michael Turner

(Atl - RB) Pitbullz

8. Jamaal Charles

(KC - RB) shelikesushi

9. Brandon Marshall

(Mia - WR) Eastsidaz

10. Shonn Greene

(NYJ - RB) Reeses Peeses

11. Roddy White

(Atl - WR) JohnAnthony

12. Marques Colston

(NO - WR) Hellblazer Hogs

Round 3

1. C.J. Spiller

(Buf - RB) Hellblazer Hogs

2. Ryan Grant

(GB - RB) JohnAnthony

3. Tom Brady

(NE - QB) Reeses Peeses

4. DeSean Jackson

(Phi - WR) Eastsidaz

5. Jonathan Stewart

(Car - RB) shelikesushi

6. Philip Rivers

(SD - QB) Pitbullz

7. Arian Foster

(Hou - RB) N.O.Explode

8. Rashard Mendenhall

(Pit - RB) The Replacem...

9. Pierre Thomas

(NO - RB) RedRockThoro...

10. Matt Schaub

(Hou - QB) swag delicious

11. Anquan Boldin

(Bal - WR) Newton's Rol...

12. Jahvid Best

(Det - RB) Plyka's Defense

Round 4

1. Michael Crabtree

(SF - WR) Plyka's Defense

2. Cedric Benson

(Cin - RB) Newton's Rol...

3. Percy Harvin

(Min - WR) swag delicious

4. Steve Smith

(NYG - WR) RedRockThoro...

5. Mike Sims-Walker

(Jac - WR) The Replacem...

6. Reggie Bush

(NO - RB) N.O.Explode

7. Jermichael Finley

(GB - TE) Pitbullz

8. Hakeem Nicks

(NYG - WR) shelikesushi

9. Tony Romo

(Dal - QB) Eastsidaz

10. Antonio Gates

(SD - TE) Reeses Peeses

11. Joe Flacco

(Bal - QB) JohnAnthony

12. LeSean McCoy

(Phi - RB) Hellblazer Hogs

Round 5

1. Dallas Clark

(Ind - TE) Hellblazer Hogs

2. Wes Welker

(NE - WR) JohnAnthony

3. Mike Wallace

(Pit - WR) Reeses Peeses

4. Knowshon Moreno

(Den - RB) Eastsidaz

5. Dez Bryant

(Dal - WR) shelikesushi

6. Felix Jones

(Dal - RB) Pitbullz

7. Beanie Wells

(Ari - RB) N.O.Explode

8. Ronnie Brown

(Mia - RB) The Replacem...

9. Vernon Davis

(SF - TE) RedRockThoro...

10. Joseph Addai

(Ind - RB) swag delicious

11. Pierre Garcon

(Ind - WR) Newton's Rol...

12. Matt Forte

(Chi - RB) Plyka's Defense

Round 6

1. Dwayne Bowe

(KC - WR) Plyka's Defense

2. Steve Smith

(Car - WR) Newton's Rol...

3. Dexter McCluster

(KC - WR,RB) swag delicious

4. Eli Manning

(NYG - QB) RedRockThoro...

5. Chad Ochocinco

(Cin - WR) The Replacem...

6. Jason Witten

(Dal - TE) N.O.Explode

7. Jeremy Maclin

(Phi - WR) Pitbullz

8. Mike Williams

(Sea - WR) shelikesushi

9. Malcom Floyd

(SD - WR) Eastsidaz

10. T.J. Houshmandzadeh

(Bal - WR) Reeses Peeses

11. Santana Moss

(Was - WR) JohnAnthony

12. Johnny Knox

(Chi - WR) Hellblazer Hogs

Round 7

1. Hines Ward

(Pit - WR) Hellblazer Hogs

2. Donald Brown

(Ind - RB) JohnAnthony

3. Vincent Jackson

(SD - WR) Reeses Peeses

4. Santonio Holmes

(NYJ - WR) Eastsidaz

5. Jerome Harrison

(Cle - RB) shelikesushi

6. Austin Collie

(Ind - WR) Pitbullz

7. Michael Bush

(Oak - RB) N.O.Explode

8. Jacoby Jones

(Hou - WR) The Replacem...

9. Carnell Williams

(TB - RB) RedRockThoro...

10. New York

(NYJ - DEF) swag delicious

11. Donald Driver

(GB - WR) Newton's Rol...

12. Kevin Kolb

(Phi - QB) Plyka's Defense

Round 8

1. Brent Celek

(Phi - TE) Plyka's Defense

2. Ahmad Bradshaw

(NYG - RB) Newton's Rol...

3. Robert Meachem

(NO - WR) swag delicious

4. San Francisco

(SF - DEF) RedRockThoro...

5. Matthew Stafford

(Det - QB) The Replacem...

6. Pittsburgh

(Pit - DEF) N.O.Explode

7. Marion Barber

(Dal - RB) Pitbullz

8. Matt Ryan

(Atl - QB) shelikesushi

9. Ben Roethlisberger

(Pit - QB) Eastsidaz

10. Green Bay

(GB - DEF) Reeses Peeses

11. Braylon Edwards

(NYJ - WR) JohnAnthony

12. Justin Forsett

(Sea - RB) Hellblazer Hogs

Round 9

1. Lee Evans

(Buf - WR) Hellblazer Hogs

2. Kenny Britt

(Ten - WR) JohnAnthony

3. Thomas Jones

(KC - RB) Reeses Peeses

4. Minnesota

(Min - DEF) Eastsidaz

5. Kellen Winslow

(TB - TE) shelikesushi

6. Cincinnati

(Cin - DEF) Pitbullz

7. Devin Aromashodu

(Chi - WR) N.O.Explode

8. Carson Palmer

(Cin - QB) The Replacem...

9. Devin Hester

(Chi - WR) RedRockThoro...

10. Tony Gonzalez

(Atl - TE) swag delicious

11. Visanthe Shiancoe

(Min - TE) Newton's Rol...

12. Darren Sproles

(SD - RB) Plyka's Defense

Round 10

1. LaDainian Tomlinson

(NYJ - RB) Plyka's Defense

2. Dallas

(Dal - DEF) Newton's Rol...

3. Clinton Portis

(Was - RB) swag delicious

4. Laurent Robinson

(StL - WR) RedRockThoro...

5. Darren McFadden

(Oak - RB) The Replacem...

6. Ricky Williams

(Mia - RB) N.O.Explode

7. Terrell Owens

(Cin - WR) Pitbullz

8. Baltimore

(Bal - DEF) shelikesushi

9. Tim Hightower

(Ari - RB) Eastsidaz

10. Steve Breaston

(Ari - WR) Reeses Peeses

11. San Diego

(SD - DEF) JohnAnthony

12. Philadelphia

(Phi - DEF) Hellblazer Hogs

Round 11

1. Bernard Scott

(Cin - RB) Hellblazer Hogs

2. Garrett Hartley

(NO - K) JohnAnthony

3. Nate Burleson

(Det - WR) Reeses Peeses

4. Legedu Naanee

(SD - WR) Eastsidaz

5. Sidney Rice

(Min - WR) shelikesushi

6. Leon Washington

(Sea - RB) Pitbullz

7. Bernard Berrian

(Min - WR) N.O.Explode

8. Mike Williams

(TB - WR) The Replacem...

9. Chad Henne

(Mia - QB) RedRockThoro...

10. Demaryius Thomas

(Den - WR) swag delicious

11. Steve Slaton

(Hou - RB) Newton's Rol...

12. Golden Tate

(Sea - WR) Plyka's Defense

Round 12

1. Jabar Gaffney

(Den - WR) Plyka's Defense

2. Donovan McNabb

(Was - QB) Newton's Rol...

3. Kevin Smith

(Det - RB) swag delicious

4. Sam Bradford

(StL - QB) RedRockThoro...

5. James Jones

(GB - WR) The Replacem...

6. Brett Favre

(Min - QB) N.O.Explode

7. Derrick Mason

(Bal - WR) Pitbullz

8. Mason Crosby

(GB - K) shelikesushi

9. Brandon Jacobs

(NYG - RB) Eastsidaz

10. Stephen Gostkowski

(NE - K) Reeses Peeses

11. Mark Sanchez

(NYJ - QB) JohnAnthony

12. Fred Jackson

(Buf - RB) Hellblazer Hogs

Round 13

1. Jermaine Gresham

(Cin - TE) Hellblazer Hogs

2. John Carlson

(Sea - TE) JohnAnthony

3. Plaxico Burress

(NYG - WR) Reeses Peeses

4. Jonathan Dwyer

(Pit - RB) Eastsidaz

5. Matt Hasselbeck

(Sea - QB) shelikesushi

6. Marshawn Lynch

(Buf - RB) Pitbullz

7. Ryan Longwell

(Min - K) N.O.Explode

8. Chris Cooley

(Was - TE) The Replacem...

9. Jerricho Cotchery

(NYJ - WR) RedRockThoro...

10. Mohamed Massaquoi

(Cle - WR) swag delicious

11. Laurence Maroney

(NE - RB) Newton's Rol...

12. Rob Bironas

(Ten - K) Plyka's Defense

Round 14

1. New Orleans

(NO - DEF) Plyka's Defense

2. Greg Olsen

(Chi - TE) Newton's Rol...

3. Nate Kaeding

(SD - K) swag delicious

4. Willis McGahee

(Bal - RB) RedRockThoro...

5. David Akers

(Phi - K) The Replacem...

6. Heath Miller

(Pit - TE) N.O.Explode

7. Matt Cassel

(KC - QB) Pitbullz

8. Tashard Choice

(Dal - RB) shelikesushi

9. Owen Daniels

(Hou - TE) Eastsidaz

10. Chester Taylor

(Chi - RB) Reeses Peeses

11. Eddie Royal

(Den - WR) JohnAnthony

12. Anthony Dixon

(SF - RB) Hellblazer Hogs

Round 15

1. Louis Murphy

(Oak - WR) Hellblazer Hogs

2. Tennessee

(Ten - DEF) JohnAnthony

3. Julian Edelman

(NE - WR) Reeses Peeses

4. Lawrence Tynes

(NYG - K) Eastsidaz

5. Deon Butler

(Sea - WR) shelikesushi

6. Early Doucet

(Ari - WR) Pitbullz

7. Sebastian Janikowski

(Oak - K) N.O.Explode

8. Arizona

(Ari - DEF) The Replacem...

9. Matt Bryant

(Atl - K) RedRockThoro...

10. Mario Manningham

(NYG - WR) swag delicious

11. Jeff Reed

(Pit - K) Newton's Rol...

12. Jason Snelling

(Atl - RB) Plyka's Defense

Round 16

1. Larry Johnson

(Was - RB) Plyka's Defense

2. Washington

(Was - DEF) Newton's Rol...

3. Kareem Huggins

(TB - RB) swag delicious

4. Kevin Walter

(Hou - WR) RedRockThoro...

5. Zach Miller

(Oak - TE) The Replacem...

6. Seattle

(Sea - DEF) N.O.Explode

7. Ryan Succop

(KC - K) Pitbullz

8. Joshua Cribbs

(Cle - WR) shelikesushi

9. Toby Gerhart

(Min - RB) Eastsidaz

10. Roy Williams

(Dal - WR) Reeses Peeses

11. New York

(NYG - DEF) JohnAnthony

12. David Buehler

(Dal - K) Hellblazer Hogs

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

Decent team for a 12 team.

I think you went a little bit too heavy with your WR's. You did great with Fitz/Calvin/Crabtree/Best. I didn't like the Bowe pick that much. Vincent Jackson/Rice were absolute steals in rds 7 and 11 for the other teams. How did they drop so much?

McFadden >>>> Sproles in terms of dynasty PPR

 

[Dragon1952]

Just goes to show how unique each draft is. I never would have guessed you'd be able to land Fitz and Calvin with those first 2 picks. The first 5 picks are great but then I agree it kind of fizzled out.

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

I think going TE with Celek instead of Bradshaw at pick 85 was the only real tragedy.

If 84/85 had been Stafford/Bradshaw, and 133 had been Sam Bradford instead of Gaffney, I think you'd really have had something.

Kolb instead of Stafford is a matter of personal preference, of course. Hope it works out for you.

 

[plyka]

Decent team for a 12 team.I think you went a little bit too heavy with your WR's. You did great with Fitz/Calvin/Crabtree/Best. I didn't like the Bowe pick that much. Vincent Jackson/Rice were absolute steals in rds 7 and 11 for the other teams. How did they drop so much?McFadden >>>> Sproles in terms of dynasty PPR

I probably should have mentioned that we start 3 WR, 2 RBs and a flex. In a PPR league, i think it is best to go with a WR in that position, right? That's why i thought it was ok to go heaavy WR and perhaps not enough on the RB. I actually think that my redraft league with these same guys is a little bit better of a team, but since it wasn't PPR or a dynasty i decided to draft for this year, and a much more balanced team. If you're wondering, yes, i had the 12th/13th pick in that draft as well, lol. On a side note, i'm in 3 leagues, all 3 i'm in last place. That's 2 12 team leagues and 1 10 team league. Odds? 12x12X10 = 1 in 1440. Anyway, here is the other team. I think my high draft picks in both drafts went well but then the lower picks may be a bit disappointing. The draft below was far more balanced because we start 3 rbs along with 3 wrs and a flex. That's why the picks are more balanced between RB and WR. In the draft above, you can start 4 wrs and 2 rbs if you want. I still don't really understand why only I am high on Brent Celek, especially in a PPR you would expect him to go higher than 84 (i got him at 84 in both drafts).Round Pick Player Position 1. (12) DeAngelo Williams RB 2. (13) Larry Fitzgerald WR 3. (36) Jonathan Stewart RB 4. (37) Arian Foster RB 5. (60) Dwayne Bowe WR 6. (61) Michael Crabtree WR 7. (84) Brent Celek TE 8. (85) Justin Forsett RB 9. (108) Devin Aromashodu WR 10. (109) Brett Favre QB 11. (132) Nate Kaeding K 12. (133) Vince Young QB 13. (156) Carolina DEF 14. (157) Mohamed Massaquoi WR 15. (180) Kevin Walter WR 16. (181) Bernard Berrian WRedit: i'm not sure why but after the 109 pick, the selections are a bit out of order. Massaquoi and Walter were the last picks, Berrian was 132, etc.

 

[plyka]

I think going TE with Celek instead of Bradshaw at pick 85 was the only real tragedy.If 84/85 had been Stafford/Bradshaw, and 133 had been Sam Bradford instead of Gaffney, I think you'd really have had something.Kolb instead of Stafford is a matter of personal preference, of course. Hope it works out for you.

It's funny you say that because the 3 players i was thinking about were Kolb, Bradshaw and Celek. Kolb i went with without question. I absolutely love him next year, and for the years thereafter. Coaches like Reid, who is a disciple of Holmgren have the same MO when it comes to quarterbacks. They find "their guy" and then train that guy for 2, 3 or even 4 years before they feel comfortable with him. This QB now knows everything there is to know about the offense. While probably not a star QB, with the amount of time they have spent learning, they are quite proficient in the offense and thus look like a star QB. Matt Hassleback is the perfect example. Brett Favre is another example, although Favre was dealt a lot more pure talent than the typical Holmgren QBs are dealt. I firmly think that Reid went out and searched for his "perfect guy," found him in Kolb and has been training him for a few years. Once he thought his man was ready, he kicked out the previous guy, and is now going to let Kolb go. If Reid has this much trust in him, i think he is a steal for the future.Anyway, putting the above rant aside, my last pick was up to Bradshaw or Celek. I knew that if i select Celek, there is no way Bradshaw is waiting for me at my next pick. In a standard league, there is no doubt in my mind that i would have went for Bradshaw, that's who i was waiting for and my RBs are not of the highest quality, but I believe that this being a PPR league forced my hand. In PPR, Celek seems to be an ideal TE. With an even more precise QB in Kolb, this year should be a home run for the guy. He did catch 74 passes last year as a TE, and he should catch more this year. I could and maybe should have selected Bradshaw? Not sure which one i would take now in retrospect.

 

[plyka]

Decent team for a 12 team.I think you went a little bit too heavy with your WR's. You did great with Fitz/Calvin/Crabtree/Best. I didn't like the Bowe pick that much. Vincent Jackson/Rice were absolute steals in rds 7 and 11 for the other teams. How did they drop so much?McFadden >>>> Sproles in terms of dynasty PPR

Regarding Mcfadden vs Sproles, i'm just incredibly high on Sproles. The kid is a playmaker and always has been. In college he was incredible. I had a hard time telling M Jones-Drew apart from Sproles. The fact that one is so successful in the NFL while the other is still trying to make it big, i think is due to the smallest differences in size. MAurice Jones-Drew while short, is not 5'6", and he is much thicker and more solid all around. If Sproles had Jone's size, i think he would be just as successful. And I actually think that Sproles may break out as more than just a change of pace back this year. Not a high likelyhood, but there is a recognizable chance. All around, i would far rather have Mcfadden than Sproles even if the only reason is that i like Sproles a lot better.

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

I think going TE with Celek instead of Bradshaw at pick 85 was the only real tragedy.If 84/85 had been Stafford/Bradshaw, and 133 had been Sam Bradford instead of Gaffney, I think you'd really have had something.Kolb instead of Stafford is a matter of personal preference, of course. Hope it works out for you.

It's funny you say that because the 3 players i was thinking about were Kolb, Bradshaw and Celek. Kolb i went with without question. I absolutely love him next year, and for the years thereafter. Coaches like Reid, who is a disciple of Holmgren have the same MO when it comes to quarterbacks. They find "their guy" and then train that guy for 2, 3 or even 4 years before they feel comfortable with him. This QB now knows everything there is to know about the offense. While probably not a star QB, with the amount of time they have spent learning, they are quite proficient in the offense and thus look like a star QB. Matt Hassleback is the perfect example. Brett Favre is another example, although Favre was dealt a lot more pure talent than the typical Holmgren QBs are dealt. I firmly think that Reid went out and searched for his "perfect guy," found him in Kolb and has been training him for a few years. Once he thought his man was ready, he kicked out the previous guy, and is now going to let Kolb go. If Reid has this much trust in him, i think he is a steal for the future.

Interesting.I hadn't heard it put quite that way about Kolb before. Maybe there's something to it. Thanks for taking the time to write it up.