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A-Rod to opt out of his contract and become a FA (1 Viewer)

Well, both Chicago teams will be interested, that's for sure.

Kenny Williams is always looking to land big FA's and this will be no exception.

A-Rod also has his ties with Pinella and such, so that could be a possible destination as well. Both teams will push hard, that's for sure.

 
Green94 said:
Well, both Chicago teams will be interested, that's for sure.Kenny Williams is always looking to land big FA's and this will be no exception.A-Rod also has his ties with Pinella and such, so that could be a possible destination as well. Both teams will push hard, that's for sure.
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Agreed but I see him ending up as an Angel. SoCal, nice weather, wife happy, and I think the Angels really will want him.I think the early rankings would be:AngelsCubsRed SoxWhite SoxNot sure anyone wants to pay him. This is of course all contingent on the Yankees actually sticking to their guns.
 
Pretty classless of him to make this announcement the day the Red Sox will probably win the Series. Why try to steal some of the spotlight?

 
Its been real, and its been fun, but it hasn't been real fun.

Thanks for some great seasons A-Rod, peace out and good luck and please take any records you can snag from Bonds.

But he is a weasel to the end, his issues are the Yanks not resigning other players? THATS your reason when you have a ten day window to declare this magic moment? Please. Nothing wrong with being a captialist A-Rod, just admit it. Its HOW he exits that very well sums up his whole tenure. A posturing PR move that is designed to show a magnaminity thats absent in the face of a personal motivation.

It's an exciting new direction if we are getting Girardi in and A-Rod out in a swing right here. This team needed a jolt to the bones, might be the ticket.

 
Alright!

Maybe the Twins will make an offer to A-Rod.

Think about it.

All this money and finally Pohlad will let the GM go out and get that power hitter.

I can see it now. Twins sign A-Rod. YES YES YES!!!

Or they will do the typical thing and sign a guy like .230 hitting Abraham Nunez and try to tell us they see something in him.

 
Capella said:
NY/NJMFDIVER said:
It's an exciting new direction if we are getting Girardi in and A-Rod out in a swing right here. This team needed a jolt to the bones, might be the ticket.
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That team is far, far worse for losing Arod. Don't kid yourself.
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His production is irreplacable. You don't replicate digits like he put up. But the lineup might gain more dexterity in the wake of his deparature. I would like them to revert to a more NL style, and A-Rod leaving is a big part of that. We sometimes say the intangibles in a player based on what they contribute is the sum of the parts being greater than the whole. But I think the opposite is true, A-Rod's numbers don't quite speak for the anchor he is on the team. I know this is going to sound like crazy talk to an outsider, but its the way I feel.
 
NY/NJMFDIVER said:
Capella said:
NY/NJMFDIVER said:
It's an exciting new direction if we are getting Girardi in and A-Rod out in a swing right here. This team needed a jolt to the bones, might be the ticket.
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That team is far, far worse for losing Arod. Don't kid yourself.
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His production is irreplacable. You don't replicate digits like he put up. But the lineup might gain more dexterity in the wake of his deparature. I would like them to revert to a more NL style, and A-Rod leaving is a big part of that. We sometimes say the intangibles in a player based on what they contribute is the sum of the parts being greater than the whole. But I think the opposite is true, A-Rod's numbers don't quite speak for the anchor he is on the team. I know this is going to sound like crazy talk to an outsider, but its the way I feel.
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Is "dexterity" a code word for "non-homeruns"?The Yankees lost ~8-10 wins off next year's total by having A-Rod opt out. They'd better start throwing around some cash if they want to make those up.
 
Your Mother said:
Who needs extra-base hits, we can bunt and hit-and-run.
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Not saying I agree with wanting A-Rod gone, but the last time the Yankees won the World Series they were sixth in the AL in runs scored, batting average and home runs. The team leader in HR was Bernie Williams with 30, only three guys on the team hit 20, and only two guys drove in 100 (and O'Neill had exactly 100). The 3B was Scott Brosius, who put up a monstrous 16-64-.230 campaign.Those Yankee teams did it with pitching, but even that didn't knock anyone's socks off (4.76 team ERA, again sixth-best in the league).

I'm just saying, there are more ways to win and score runs than by hitting 3-run bombs all the time.

 
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Michael Brown said:
Your Mother said:
Who needs extra-base hits, we can bunt and hit-and-run.
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Not saying I agree with wanting A-Rod gone, but the last time the Yankees won the World Series they were sixth in the AL in runs scored, batting average and home runs. The team leader in HR was Bernie Williams with 30, only three guys on the team hit 20, and only two guys drove in 100 (and O'Neill had exactly 100). The 3B was Scott Brosius, who put up a monstrous 16-64-.230 campaign.Those Yankee teams did it with pitching, but even that didn't knock anyone's socks off (4.76 team ERA, again sixth-best in the league).

I'm just saying, there are more ways to win and score runs than by hitting 3-run bombs all the time.
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No A-Rod = less offense. Less offense = smaller probability of winning a World Series.This is basic arithmetic here. Teams do fluke into World Series titles (87 Twins, who had a negative run differential), but it's much more rare than having a legitimately good team. Especially when the best team in the AL is in your division.

 
Not a Yankees fan, but the Haters can't have it both ways. If the Yanks sign A-Rod, y'all will whine that "it's not fair".

To rejoice that the Yanks won't have A-Rod is just dumb.

Now I know that he takes care of himself and is the best player in the game, but in 5 years, is he really going to be worth his contract? Boras is looking at a $400million contract here.

To me, the Yankees are scarier with that hole in their payroll and their new mentality of running their business. They can improve their bullpen, sign their current FA's and sign their young players to long term deals now.

They are not going to replace ARod's #'s, but what did it get them? So they won't beat KC and TB 16-9 anymore. Maybe it will only be 5-1 now.

 
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I think there is a decent chance he ends up in Boston. Lowell's stock could have only gone up after this WS which I think means a team other then Boston will sign him to a multi-year deal. Manny will mostly likely be gone either this off season or definitely after next season which frees up a lot of dough. Assuming Manny has not changed his mind and still wants out then it would make sense for the Sox to make a big push for pay-Rod.

 
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Do you think he announced it so quickly to do 2 things:

1. Tell the Yankees to F off.

2. Make sure the Red Sox don't sign Lowell right away knowing that A-Rod is an option.

As a Sox fan, I'd rather they spend the $30 million a year on pitching and Lowell (for a 2-3 year deal).

 
Jefferson the Caregiver said:
Prediction: A-Rod to Boston, Lowell to the YanksI really don't want the Sox to spend the $$$ on this guy but I fear they might go for it.
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I of course don't want to see him end up in Boston but I really think he'd be better off with the Cubs or Angels if they'll give the same :kicksrock:A-rod isn't exactly known for his inner strength and playing for either of those two fan bases would be a lot easier. He can also in the case of the Cubs, become a beloved and legendary member of an establishment yearning for championship. In LA he can be the most popular athlete in any sport in the 2nd largest market. In either case he'd have the opportunity to be on championship caliber teams without the pressure of playing in New York or Boston.I'm hoping he goes to the NL.
 
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NY/NJMFDIVER said:
Capella said:
NY/NJMFDIVER said:
It's an exciting new direction if we are getting Girardi in and A-Rod out in a swing right here. This team needed a jolt to the bones, might be the ticket.
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That team is far, far worse for losing Arod. Don't kid yourself.
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His production is irreplacable. You don't replicate digits like he put up. But the lineup might gain more dexterity in the wake of his deparature. I would like them to revert to a more NL style, and A-Rod leaving is a big part of that. We sometimes say the intangibles in a player based on what they contribute is the sum of the parts being greater than the whole. But I think the opposite is true, A-Rod's numbers don't quite speak for the anchor he is on the team. I know this is going to sound like crazy talk to an outsider, but its the way I feel.
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:no: The guy carried that team for stretches during the last season.
 
Doctor Detroit said:
Jefferson the Caregiver said:
Prediction: A-Rod to Boston, Lowell to the YanksI really don't want the Sox to spend the $$$ on this guy but I fear they might go for it.
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I of course don't want to see him end up in Boston but I really think he'd be better off with the Cubs or Angels if they'll give the same :no:A-rod isn't exactly known for his inner strength and playing for either of those two fan bases would be a lot easier. He can also in the case of the Cubs, become a beloved and legendary member of an establishment yearning for championship. In LA he can be the post popular athlete in any sport in the 2nd largest market. In either case he’d have the opportunity to be on championship caliber teams without the pressure of playing in New York or Boston.I'm hoping he goes to the NL.
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I doubt the Cubs ownership situation gets resolved anytime soon (and I'm guessing it won't be since I wouldn't put it past Cuban to put up roadblock after roadblock to prevent a sweetheart deal to Selig's boy), which really needs to happen on a contract like this. As much sense as it makes, I don't think it can really happen until they really know who the owner is.
 
Its sad to see him go. And I dont blame him for opting out, I expected it. But to do it before the WS was even over? He couldnt at least make believe he was having a hard time deciding? And to blame it on the idea that he doesnt know the future of the Yankees free agents is a ridiculous excuse. And he couldnt at least humor the Yankees with their contract extension talks that they had planned on meeting with him about this week?

Anyway, I think he ends up playing for the Dodgers. Rumors are LA is wooing Torre and if they get Torre they certainly have the money to sign ARod. I pray that the Yanks dont sign Lowell. He is a horrible horrible fit in Yankee Stadium.

Its gonna be a loooooooooong offseason for the Yankees. They may suck next year. Time will tell but ARod leaving is really really bad.

 
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I think MAY-Rod is going to the Angels. Does anyone else think that this really hurts Boras since you reaaly don't want to F with the Yankees when it comes to finances? Do the Yanks maybe stay away from a Boras client now because of this?

I would think the moment Boras floats the Yankees as "interested", Cashman would shoot it down in a second.

 
Sammy3469 said:
Doctor Detroit said:
Jefferson the Caregiver said:
Prediction: A-Rod to Boston, Lowell to the YanksI really don't want the Sox to spend the $$$ on this guy but I fear they might go for it.
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I of course don't want to see him end up in Boston but I really think he'd be better off with the Cubs or Angels if they'll give the same :no:A-rod isn't exactly known for his inner strength and playing for either of those two fan bases would be a lot easier. He can also in the case of the Cubs, become a beloved and legendary member of an establishment yearning for championship. In LA he can be the post popular athlete in any sport in the 2nd largest market. In either case he’d have the opportunity to be on championship caliber teams without the pressure of playing in New York or Boston.I'm hoping he goes to the NL.
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I doubt the Cubs ownership situation gets resolved anytime soon (and I'm guessing it won't be since I wouldn't put it past Cuban to put up roadblock after roadblock to prevent a sweetheart deal to Selig's boy), which really needs to happen on a contract like this. As much sense as it makes, I don't think it can really happen until they really know who the owner is.
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Yeah I thought about that also but who knows what's going to happen with all that. Could be resolved a lot quicker than we think but I'd tend to agree that if Cuban is not given a legitimate opportunity, he's gonna make a huge stink. I'd love to see that.
 
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Its sad to see him go. And I dont blame him for opting out, I expected it. But to do it before the WS was even over? He couldnt at least make believe he was having a hard time deciding? And to blame it on the idea that he doesnt know the future of the Yankees free agents is a ridiculous excuse. And he couldnt at least humor the Yankees with their contract extension talks that they had planned on meeting with him about this week?Anyway, I think he ends up playing for the Dodgers. Rumors are LA is wooing Torre and is they get Torre they certainly have the money to sing ARod. I pray that the Yanks dont sign Lowell. He is a horrible horrible fit in Yankee Stadium.Its gonna be a loooooooooong offseason for the Yankees. They may suck next year. Time will tell but ARod leaving is really really bad.
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Next year is going to be a growth year... and I am fine with that.
 
Darth Cheney said:
shadyridr said:
Its sad to see him go. And I dont blame him for opting out, I expected it. But to do it before the WS was even over? He couldnt at least make believe he was having a hard time deciding? And to blame it on the idea that he doesnt know the future of the Yankees free agents is a ridiculous excuse. And he couldnt at least humor the Yankees with their contract extension talks that they had planned on meeting with him about this week?Anyway, I think he ends up playing for the Dodgers. Rumors are LA is wooing Torre and is they get Torre they certainly have the money to sing ARod. I pray that the Yanks dont sign Lowell. He is a horrible horrible fit in Yankee Stadium.Its gonna be a loooooooooong offseason for the Yankees. They may suck next year. Time will tell but ARod leaving is really really bad.
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Next year is going to be a growth year... and I am fine with that.
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Without ARod to build around for the next 5 years we could be looking at a number of growth years.
 
Personally, I think ARod is going to spend next year in Japan :bye:

I can't believe he opted out, and I can't believe another team is going to pay one player $30million per year for a multi year contract. Just doesn't make sense.

 
"It's clear he didn't want to be a Yankee," Hank Steinbrenner told the Daily News last night. "He doesn't understand the privilege of being a Yankee on a team where the owners are willing to pay $200 million to put a winning product on the field."I don't want anybody on my team that doesn't want to be a Yankee."Rodriguez's decision means that the Texas Rangers will save almost $30 million that had been on its way to New York to help pay for the final three years of A-Rod's contract, which would have paid him $91 million over those three seasons. The Yankees were planning to offer A-Rod a contract extension of five years and about $135 million to $140 million, a deal that would have kept the two-time MVP in pinstripes through his 40th birthday. The Yankees had not yet made the offer, as they were trying to set up a face-to-face meeting with agent Scott Boras and A-Rod, a meeting that never happened. The Yankees have said time and time again that they will not pursue Rodriguez as a free agent because of the money they would now no longer receive from the Rangers. Last night, Steinbrenner made it clear that his team had no intention of changing its tune on that stance."We're not going to back down," Steinbrenner said. "It's goodbye."
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Green94 said:
:rolleyes: at most Yankee fans here....At least Shady gets it.
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Its hilarious, isnt it? The Yankees were prepared to offer him a deal that would pay him apprx 30 mil per year. So, they were going to offer ARod this contract because they didn't want him?? I dont think so..This is a huge blow to the Yankees. HUGE.First, they lose his production, but its also a bit of a slap in the face to the "Yankees" organization. The Yankee organization would have you believe ANYONE would want to play for them, or manage for them. That ship has sailed..and they have some serious mud on their face with the Torre and A-Rod fall out... Torre was not handled well, and that might seriously impact what happens with A-Rod, Mariano, Posada, etc... looks like it already has.
 
Capella said:
ack34 said:
They can improve their bullpen, sign their current FA's and sign their young players to long term deals now.
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You act like they couldn't do this WITH Arod. :rolleyes:
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Seriously. I love all the people that say now the Yanks have all this extra money to sign free agents and improve their bullpen. Has anybody actually looked at this years free agent crop. Its horrible.
 
shadyridr said:
Capella said:
ack34 said:
They can improve their bullpen, sign their current FA's and sign their young players to long term deals now.
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You act like they couldn't do this WITH Arod. ;)
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Seriously. I love all the people that say now the Yanks have all this extra money to sign free agents and improve their bullpen. Has anybody actually looked at this years free agent crop. Its horrible.
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The list of OFers is pretty good and there are some good relief pitchers available but the rest of the pool is shallow.
 
Wow, tough night to be a Yanks fan:

1. Your bitter rival wins the WS, in a sweep.

2. Your best player kicks you to the curb.

A lot of nut-sacks hurting in NY from the double junk shots.

As a side note, I heard on a Fox-radio affiliate that there are rumors that the Mets are interested in Gay-Rod to play 2B (or SS and move Reyes back to 2B). That can't be true, right?

 
shadyridr said:
Its sad to see him go. And I dont blame him for opting out, I expected it. But to do it before the WS was even over? He couldnt at least make believe he was having a hard time deciding? And to blame it on the idea that he doesnt know the future of the Yankees free agents is a ridiculous excuse. And he couldnt at least humor the Yankees with their contract extension talks that they had planned on meeting with him about this week?Anyway, I think he ends up playing for the Dodgers. Rumors are LA is wooing Torre and if they get Torre they certainly have the money to sign ARod. I pray that the Yanks dont sign Lowell. He is a horrible horrible fit in Yankee Stadium.Its gonna be a loooooooooong offseason for the Yankees. They may suck next year. Time will tell but ARod leaving is really really bad.
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It was my understanding that Torre and ARod were not very close.MrGuy
 
Your Mother said:
NY/NJMFDIVER said:
Capella said:
NY/NJMFDIVER said:
It's an exciting new direction if we are getting Girardi in and A-Rod out in a swing right here. This team needed a jolt to the bones, might be the ticket.
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That team is far, far worse for losing Arod. Don't kid yourself.
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His production is irreplacable. You don't replicate digits like he put up. But the lineup might gain more dexterity in the wake of his deparature. I would like them to revert to a more NL style, and A-Rod leaving is a big part of that. We sometimes say the intangibles in a player based on what they contribute is the sum of the parts being greater than the whole. But I think the opposite is true, A-Rod's numbers don't quite speak for the anchor he is on the team. I know this is going to sound like crazy talk to an outsider, but its the way I feel.
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Is "dexterity" a code word for "non-homeruns"?The Yankees lost ~8-10 wins off next year's total by having A-Rod opt out. They'd better start throwing around some cash if they want to make those up.
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I know, but as other people have mentioned, players of A-Rods ilk, and if you want to call it talent, go right ahead, weren't part of what made them winners in the past.Now I'll freely admit its a dangerous game to cling too hard to the past make all yankee teams going forward have to answer to the old model. But I think there was some value to it. They were never a squad that bludgeoned teams. I don't think they had one guy hit over 30 homers in any of the championship seasons. As it stands, if I'm to rank 3b in NY from 1995 to now in the postseason, it goes as such:BrosiusBoggsCharlie HayesAaron BooneA-RodRobin VenturaAnd he didn't exactly distance himself from Ventura. Regular season, they will feel pinch I suppose, but when this team started infusing boppers, they became black holes in a cyclical lineup. The "pick up the guy behind and keep the inning going" nature and vibe became wait for Giambi/Sheff/A-Rod to jack one. I don't know if you can go home again and revisit the past, but its been pretty clear, the current blueprint isn't working.And regardless of A-Rod, the entire season next year, regular and post, hangs in the arms of 3 relatively unknown quantities in Hughes, Joba and I-Ken. If they perform, A-Rod won't be missed, and if they don't, 60 homers next year couldn't salvage this team.
 
It was pretty low to make the announcement during the 7th inning of the clinching game of the World Series. Note to Scott and Alex - the world of baseball does not revolve around either of you.

I'm actually amazed that owners still work with Scott Boras. I'd like ot think that if I owned a team I would call all the other guys in the owners club and say, listen, you guys can have Scott Boras' clients. He's a piece of crap and I won't deal with him. You may get better players, but I'll be content. Thanks.

:popcorn: I've been in the camp that says sign him no matter what. Now.... given the way they did it during the middle of the World Series, and that stupid totally unbelievable and trying-to-make-usplook-stupid reason for doing it, I'm leaning towards saying goodbye and good riddance.

 
Deranged Hermit said:
Wow, tough night to be a Yanks fan:1. Your bitter rival wins the WS, in a sweep.2. Your best player kicks you to the curb.A lot of nut-sacks hurting in NY from the double junk shots.As a side note, I heard on a Fox-radio affiliate that there are rumors that the Mets are interested in Gay-Rod to play 2B (or SS and move Reyes back to 2B). That can't be true, right?
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Sox winning stinks, but 2004 was the real meltdown year. Not a good night, but they earned their title, hats off to them. A-Rod, eh, I guess you have to be on the inside of the fandom to realize the general non-plussedness of it. You'd be a fool to call it a good thing, but given his ancillary baggage, its not the worst thing in the world. If this had been Rivera, this would be a much bigger blow, as it is, eh. Regarding the Mets, Wright is a butcher at 3rd, so if he went that way, I think he goes to 1b or possibly second, before A-Rod or Reyes shifts.
 
Your Mother said:
Michael Brown said:
Your Mother said:
Who needs extra-base hits, we can bunt and hit-and-run.
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Not saying I agree with wanting A-Rod gone, but the last time the Yankees won the World Series they were sixth in the AL in runs scored, batting average and home runs. The team leader in HR was Bernie Williams with 30, only three guys on the team hit 20, and only two guys drove in 100 (and O'Neill had exactly 100). The 3B was Scott Brosius, who put up a monstrous 16-64-.230 campaign.Those Yankee teams did it with pitching, but even that didn't knock anyone's socks off (4.76 team ERA, again sixth-best in the league).

I'm just saying, there are more ways to win and score runs than by hitting 3-run bombs all the time.
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No A-Rod = less offense. Less offense = smaller probability of winning a World Series.This is basic arithmetic here. Teams do fluke into World Series titles (87 Twins, who had a negative run differential), but it's much more rare than having a legitimately good team. Especially when the best team in the AL is in your division.
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The fluke at this point would be going to the world series with A-Rod. He played on the winningest team in history and couldn't get there, he's won 2 MVPs and couldn't get there, he had a 3-0 lead in the ALCS and couldn't get there.Of course it's not all his fault. But to equate A-Rod on your squad being a blank ticket to the World Series clearly isn't the case.

Thats not to say he couldn't go to five in a row, but this marriage wasn't working.

And you're right, no offense= no world series, which pretty much explains the past few post seasons.

 
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