A vital question about the NFL rules.... (1 Viewer)

[jwvdcw]

If a player scores a game winning TD with no time on the clock in the 4th quarter but immediately commits an excessive celebration penalty and is flagged for it, how is that handled? Usually its enforced on the kickoff, but with no time left on the clock there will be no kickoff. Do they even kick the exra point if its not necessary? I don't remember that. I guess if they don't kick the extra point, then you could argue that the game ends as soon as he scores so there can't be a penalty....if thats the case, then pretend that he turns around and taunts the other team as hes running into the end zone and answer the question using that hypothetical. Thanks- this is vital.

 

[East Coast Bias]

If a player scores a game winning TD with no time on the clock in the 4th quarter but immediately commits an excessive celebration penalty and is flagged for it, how is that handled? Usually its enforced on the kickoff, but with no time left on the clock there will be no kickoff. Do they even kick the exra point if its not necessary? I don't remember that. I guess if they don't kick the extra point, then you could argue that the game ends as soon as he scores so there can't be a penalty....if thats the case, then pretend that he turns around and taunts the other team as hes running into the end zone and answer the question using that hypothetical. Thanks- this is vital.

No time on the clock means the game is over.

 

[Bri]

that would probably be viewed as celebrating a win and not necessarily a TD so the zebras would probably just go into the lockerroom and not be there to call a penalty.

 

[Godsbrother]

If a player scores a game winning TD with no time on the clock in the 4th quarter but immediately commits an excessive celebration penalty and is flagged for it, how is that handled? Usually its enforced on the kickoff, but with no time left on the clock there will be no kickoff. Do they even kick the exra point if its not necessary? I don't remember that. I guess if they don't kick the extra point, then you could argue that the game ends as soon as he scores so there can't be a penalty....if thats the case, then pretend that he turns around and taunts the other team as hes running into the end zone and answer the question using that hypothetical. Thanks- this is vital.

A game can't end on a defensive penalty. Although if the offense has already won they would decline the penalty. I don't think accessing an excessive celebration penalty on the offense after they won it would make any sense. The game would be over.

 

[jwvdcw]

If a player scores a game winning TD with no time on the clock in the 4th quarter but immediately commits an excessive celebration penalty and is flagged for it, how is that handled? Usually its enforced on the kickoff, but with no time left on the clock there will be no kickoff. Do they even kick the exra point if its not necessary? I don't remember that. I guess if they don't kick the extra point, then you could argue that the game ends as soon as he scores so there can't be a penalty....if thats the case, then pretend that he turns around and taunts the other team as hes running into the end zone and answer the question using that hypothetical. Thanks- this is vital.

You stupids need to read better.

 

[The Jerk]

If a player scores a game winning TD with no time on the clock in the 4th quarter but immediately commits an excessive celebration penalty and is flagged for it, how is that handled? Usually its enforced on the kickoff, but with no time left on the clock there will be no kickoff. Do they even kick the exra point if its not necessary? I don't remember that. I guess if they don't kick the extra point, then you could argue that the game ends as soon as he scores so there can't be a penalty....if thats the case, then pretend that he turns around and taunts the other team as hes running into the end zone and answer the question using that hypothetical. Thanks- this is vital.

You stupids need to read better.

I don't know for certain, but I suspect the score stands and there will be no kickoff.If the rule requires another play, the opposing team could simply kick the ball out of bounds. As far as I know, there is no provision beyond giving the receiving team the ball 30 yards beyond the spot of the kick with that penalty - there is no extra ground.

I am certain that NFL rules require a PAT be attempted if it is the fourth quarter you are describing (and not overtime). I know that's not the focus of your question, but...

 

[GregR_2]

If at the end of any period, time expires while the ball is in play, time is not called until the down ends.

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© If there is a foul by the offense, there shall be no extension of the period. If the foul occurs on the last play of the half, no score made by the offense is counted.

Exception: If the offensive foul is (1) illegal touching of a kick, (2) fair catch interference, (3) palpably unfair act, (4) personal foul or unsportsmanlike foul prior to an interception of a forward pass or the recovery of a backward pass or fumble, or (5) a foul by the kicking team prior to a player of the receiving team securing possession of the ball during a down in which there is a safety kick, a scrimmage kick, or a free kick, the period may be extended by an untimed down, if the defense elects to accept the foul.

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(f) If a touchdown is made, the Try shall be allowed (except during a sudden-death period).

I bolded the part that seemed to be closest to what was being asked, but it still requires the defense to recover the ball or for a kick to be taking place. Otherwise, an offensive foul does not result in an extra play being run. So the only issue would be, does the penalty wipe out the play or not. If it was holding then the defense accepting the penalty nullifies the play, no touchdown, time run out, game over.

But unsportsmanlike conduct for celebrating falls under:

Penalty for (list of offenses of which celebration is one): Loss of 15 yards from the succeeding spot or whatever spot the Referee, after consulting with the crew, deems equitable.

So the play counts, TD counts, offense wins. Penalty enforcement never happens because the game is over.Now if it was a different personal foul. Say an offensive player removes his helmet during the play, the penalty would be from the previous spot and the play wouldn't count, no touchdown, game over.

At least, that's how the rules seem to read to me.

 

[pinda]

This happened this year already. TD counts, they don't bother kicking the point after.

It would be charged to the kickoff if there was time left, but since its an offensive penalty, the play CAN end on an offensive penalty.

 

[trader jake]

Vince Young's TD run?

Excessive celebration that would have been flagged but the game was over...no penalty.

 

[The Jerk]

This happened this year already. TD counts, they don't bother kicking the point after. It would be charged to the kickoff if there was time left, but since its an offensive penalty, the play CAN end on an offensive penalty.

The point gets tried unless the TD happens in overtime, when no point gets tried. It's possible the referees missed it... but in the past, they've gotten the teams out of the locker room to try the point.

 

[The Jerk]

Vince Young's TD run?Excessive celebration that would have been flagged but the game was over...no penalty.

Vince Young's run was an OT winner, which is why there was no PAT. If pinda has a non-OT example, I'd be curious to see it.

 

[GroveDiesel]

This happened this year already. TD counts, they don't bother kicking the point after.

It would be charged to the kickoff if there was time left, but since its an offensive penalty, the play CAN end on an offensive penalty.

The point gets tried unless the TD happens in overtime, when no point gets tried. It's possible the referees missed it... but in the past, they've gotten the teams out of the locker room to try the point.

I believe that this is correct.An example of that can be seen in the play by play for the Jags/Bills game in Week 1 of 2004. The Jags scored a TD with no time remaining in the game to give them a 2 point lead and still kicked the extra point.

Play by play

 

[QuizGuy66]

A sort of offshoot of this would be what happens with a tie? Does such a penalty get enforced on the kickoff of the overtime period?

 

[videoguy505]

If a player scores a game winning TD with no time on the clock in the 4th quarter but immediately commits an excessive celebration penalty and is flagged for it, how is that handled? Usually its enforced on the kickoff, but with no time left on the clock there will be no kickoff. Do they even kick the exra point if its not necessary? I don't remember that. I guess if they don't kick the extra point, then you could argue that the game ends as soon as he scores so there can't be a penalty....if thats the case, then pretend that he turns around and taunts the other team as hes running into the end zone and answer the question using that hypothetical. Thanks- this is vital.

You stupids need to read better.

 

[GregR_2]

A sort of offshoot of this would be what happens with a tie? Does such a penalty get enforced on the kickoff of the overtime period?

I want to say there was a section of the rules that covered that, though I could be mistaken. At work right now but I'll try to remember to check the rulebook again when I get home.

 

[GregR_2]

A sort of offshoot of this would be what happens with a tie? Does such a penalty get enforced on the kickoff of the overtime period?

I want to say there was a section of the rules that covered that, though I could be mistaken. At work right now but I'll try to remember to check the rulebook again when I get home.

Here is what I was referring to:

(d) If there is a personal foul or unsportsmanlike conduct foul that is (1) not in the continuing action immediately after the end of a down and (2) occurs between the end of the second period and the beginning of the third period (or between the end of the fourth period and the beginning of an overtime period), the penalty shall be enforced on the ensuing kickoff.

 

[smcindoe]

I believe that this is correct.An example of that can be seen in the play by play for the Jags/Bills game in Week 1 of 2004. The Jags scored a TD with no time remaining in the game to give them a 2 point lead and still kicked the extra point.

100% correct. The PAT must be kicked if the TD happens in regulation. If I remember right, there was a game a few years back that ended on a last-second TD in regulation and the losing team left the field (maybe a controversial call? not sure). The winning team still had to attempt the PAT -- I think they just took the snap and ran it in for two.In OT, there is no PAT.When you think about it, the NFL needs to have this spelled out in the rulebook. You wouldn't want to leave it up to the teams involved due to the gambling implications.

 

[Bri]

In OT, there is no PAT.When you think about it, the NFL needs to have this spelled out in the rulebook. You wouldn't want to leave it up to the teams involved due to the gambling implications.

huh?

 

[GregR_2]

...In OT, there is no PAT.When you think about it, the NFL needs to have this spelled out in the rulebook. You wouldn't want to leave it up to the teams involved due to the gambling implications.

It is in the rulebook and has already been posted here:

(f) If a touchdown is made, the Try shall be allowed (except during a sudden-death period).