Aaron Brooks DIVING down draft boards (1 Viewer)

[Team Legacy]

Wow,

How the mighty fall.

I'm involved in a VERY competitive satellite and he just went QB17 (by me and I heavily considered Roth instead). If Roth didn't share Eli's bye week (my QB1) I would have taken him, so let's call Brooks QB18 right now.

Was his play this bad or are Walter's chances of starting sometime this season just increasing?

 

[Skinsfansince72]

Wow, How the mighty fall. I'm involved in a VERY competitive satellite and he just went QB17 (by me and I heavily considered Roth instead). If Roth didn't share Eli's bye week (my QB1) I would have taken him, so let's call Brooks QB18 right now.Was his play this bad or are Walter's chances of starting sometime this season just increasing?

He was not in my top 20 prior to the preseason and he's still not. Why? I'm among those who think that there's no way he finishes the season as the starter.

 

[teamramrod]

Was his play this bad or are Walter's chances of starting sometime this season just increasing?

I watched postions of both games and really did not see what the hype about Walters is all about. I would like to see him with the first string offense tho.

 

[chris1969]

Hey he's just about down to the spot I projected him at! He may be draftable after all!

 

[gregjcross]

Most people realize he never should have been high on draft boards though his season will be better than the preseason

Was his play this bad or are Walter's chances of starting sometime this season just increasing?

I watched postions of both games and really did not see what the hype about Walters is all about. I would like to see him with the first string offense tho.

 

[duaneok66]

#7??? I thought it was August, not April . . .

 

[SSOG]

Most people realize he never should have been high on draft boards though his season will be better than the preseason

Most people realize that a QB who finished 6th, 6th, 5th, 8th, and 16th (despite a hurricane and 3 missed games) in fantasy points in his 5 seasons as a starter shouldn't be ranked as one of the top-16 fantasy QBs?Fine with me. Brooks = Value.

 

[The Jerk]

People tend to overemphasize preseason games in terms of adjusting their rankings/projections. I'm not particularly high on Brooks, but I know better than to expect his regular season to resemble his preseason outings, especially when one is the HoF game.

 

[diesel7982]

17th? He went undrafted in a 12 team keeper auction I did Sunday night.

 

[SSOG]

17th? He went undrafted in a 12 team keeper auction I did Sunday night.

Two words. Val. Ue.Say it with me now people. Aaron Brooks = Value.

 

[Chase Stuart]

17th? He went undrafted in a 12 team keeper auction I did Sunday night.

Two words. Val. Ue.Say it with me now people. Aaron Brooks = Value.

The pre-season has been berry, berry good to m(y QBBC articl)e.

 

[bocksheesh]

Most people realize that a QB who finished 6th, 6th, 5th, 8th, and 16th (despite a hurricane and 3 missed games) in fantasy points in his 5 seasons as a starter shouldn't be ranked as one of the top-16 fantasy QBs?Fine with me. Brooks = Value.

I'm not as down on Brooks as others as I think the preseason is just the preseason.HOWEVER, how much of Brooks' consistent Top 10 performances (saving Katrina) were the result of the Saints system as opposed to his own talent?I just wonder how good Brooks will be now that he's out of the Saints system, and playing in the always chaotic Raider offense.

 

[rzrback77]

Yes he played poorly and I believe he will play better in the regular season, but the key to all this is that really there ...

is not that much difference betwen QB7 and QB17.

 

[SSOG]

Most people realize that a QB who finished 6th, 6th, 5th, 8th, and 16th (despite a hurricane and 3 missed games) in fantasy points in his 5 seasons as a starter shouldn't be ranked as one of the top-16 fantasy QBs?Fine with me. Brooks = Value.

I'm not as down on Brooks as others as I think the preseason is just the preseason.HOWEVER, how much of Brooks' consistent Top 10 performances (saving Katrina) were the result of the Saints system as opposed to his own talent?I just wonder how good Brooks will be now that he's out of the Saints system, and playing in the always chaotic Raider offense.

Fair enough, but I should point out that Kerry Collins finished 10th and 15th in this "always chaotic" offense. In 2003, nobody played more than 9 games or had more than 225 attempts, but in 2002, Gannon finished 1st in fantasy scoring.Now, those were very different offensive schemes, I'm just trying to demonstrate that the personnel is most certainly there. Plus, the defense will be every bit as horrid as it was in New Orleans, so Brooks should still get that garbage-time stat-padding that we all know and love.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I downgraded him after watching the Raiders' OL look horrible in each of the first two games. It's not about preseason schemes or anything. The players are just getting beaten -- badly -- one on one.

If the OL is bad, it's hard for the QB to get fantasy stats.

 

[radballs]

I downgraded him after watching the Raiders' OL look horrible in each of the first two games. It's not about preseason schemes or anything. The players are just getting beaten -- badly -- one on one.If the OL is bad, it's hard for the QB to get fantasy stats.

As a Raider fan it's hard to witness what's going on with the offense (especially with the O line), and I do agree with Maurile. Still, it's only a couple games and I still think SSOG is correct in that this will only help his value as his ADP gets beaten down to ridiculous levels.

 

[curta269]

I don't think he is even the best QB on his own team. I see the Raiders having another bad season, and Andrew Walter taking over as the starting QB in November.

 

[SSOG]

I downgraded him after watching the Raiders' OL look horrible in each of the first two games. It's not about preseason schemes or anything. The players are just getting beaten -- badly -- one on one.If the OL is bad, it's hard for the QB to get fantasy stats.

I'm downgrading Brooks based on the OL, too... but for me, a "downgraded" Brooks still ranks about 12th with upside, and therefore presents a ton of value.That OL *has* been looking putrid, though. If Gallery doesn't start shaping up here, I think we're going to start mentioning him and Mike Williams in the same sentence. Funny how tackles are supposed to be among the safest of picks in the NFL draft, and yet we could potentially be seeing two of the biggest busts of the past decade both being tackles.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I downgraded him after watching the Raiders' OL look horrible in each of the first two games. It's not about preseason schemes or anything. The players are just getting beaten -- badly -- one on one.If the OL is bad, it's hard for the QB to get fantasy stats.

Collins was still a very ok fantasy option last season as he finished as the 13th best QB in my league. Unless you think Brooks won't finish the season starting then there is no way Brooks won't finish in the top 12 fantasy wise. He will get his fantasy points if he is the starter all season and will easily finish top 12.This is basically the same O-line that blocked for Oak last season. In fact on paper they should actually be more mature and should have improved. Gallery moving back to lt will take some adjustment but I think he will be ok.Walters will learn from the sidelines this year. If he is in, people will see how raw he really is. Remember although he had some good moments in the preseason he did get picked off twice and only finished 10 for 19. Not exactly Cutler numbers.Let's not jump the gun here.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

I downgraded him after watching the Raiders' OL look horrible in each of the first two games. It's not about preseason schemes or anything. The players are just getting beaten -- badly -- one on one.If the OL is bad, it's hard for the QB to get fantasy stats.

Collins was still a very ok fantasy option last season as he finished as the 13th best QB in my league. Unless you think Brooks won't finish the season starting then there is no way Brooks won't finish in the top 12 fantasy wise. He will get his fantasy points if he is the starter all season and will easily finish top 12.This is basically the same O-line that blocked for Oak last season. In fact on paper they should actually be more mature and should have improved. Gallery moving back to lt will take some adjustment but I think he will be ok.Walters will learn from the sidelines this year. If he is in, people will see how raw he really is. Remember although he had some good moments in the preseason he did get picked off twice and only finished 10 for 19. Not exactly Cutler numbers.Let's not jump the gun here.

Do I need to remind you that Brooks was ONE for 3 and ONE for 6 in the Raider's two preseason games.

 

[MLBrandow]

I downgraded him after watching the Raiders' OL look horrible in each of the first two games. It's not about preseason schemes or anything. The players are just getting beaten -- badly -- one on one.If the OL is bad, it's hard for the QB to get fantasy stats.

Collins was still a very ok fantasy option last season as he finished as the 13th best QB in my league. Unless you think Brooks won't finish the season starting then there is no way Brooks won't finish in the top 12 fantasy wise. He will get his fantasy points if he is the starter all season and will easily finish top 12.This is basically the same O-line that blocked for Oak last season. In fact on paper they should actually be more mature and should have improved. Gallery moving back to lt will take some adjustment but I think he will be ok.Walters will learn from the sidelines this year. If he is in, people will see how raw he really is. Remember although he had some good moments in the preseason he did get picked off twice and only finished 10 for 19. Not exactly Cutler numbers.Let's not jump the gun here.

Do I need to remind you that Brooks was ONE for 3 and ONE for 6 in the Raider's two preseason games.

Year		Value		Pos. Rank	Overall Rank--------------------------------------------------2001		  59			 6			 212002		  44			 6			 362003		  26			 5			 442004		  32			 8			 462005		   0			16			130--------------------------------------------------

As bad as he was last year, scale his numbers to 16 games versus 13 and you have another top-10 finish.Trivia Question:How many current QBs have made top-8 4 of the past 5 years?

 

[Chase Stuart]

I downgraded him after watching the Raiders' OL look horrible in each of the first two games. It's not about preseason schemes or anything. The players are just getting beaten -- badly -- one on one.If the OL is bad, it's hard for the QB to get fantasy stats.

Collins was still a very ok fantasy option last season as he finished as the 13th best QB in my league. Unless you think Brooks won't finish the season starting then there is no way Brooks won't finish in the top 12 fantasy wise. He will get his fantasy points if he is the starter all season and will easily finish top 12.This is basically the same O-line that blocked for Oak last season. In fact on paper they should actually be more mature and should have improved. Gallery moving back to lt will take some adjustment but I think he will be ok.Walters will learn from the sidelines this year. If he is in, people will see how raw he really is. Remember although he had some good moments in the preseason he did get picked off twice and only finished 10 for 19. Not exactly Cutler numbers.Let's not jump the gun here.

Do I need to remind you that Brooks was ONE for 3 and ONE for 6 in the Raider's two preseason games.

How does 16 for 36, 145 yards, 0 TDs and 2 INTs sound for the pre-season?

 

[MLBrandow]

Trivia Question:How many current QBs have made top-8 4 of the past 5 years?

Anwer:3 - Peyton Manning, Trent Green, Aaron Brooks

 

[LHUCKS]

Brooks was going too high for my taste, but if he's falling around the #20 QB mark I may start to consider him.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Do I need to remind you that Brooks was ONE for 3 and ONE for 6 in the Raider's two preseason games.

I don't think the stats matter. But the team as a whole could be in for a long season. Moss is frustrated, Porter is acting stupid, Gallery is getting beaten around the corner, and Brooks probably isn't the kind of leader who can pull everybody together and keep the team focused.He may still put up some decent stats, but he seems like much more of a gamble now than he did a few weeks ago.

 

[george]

Chase, I'll bite. Whose stats?

Also, if the line is that bad. Add in his usual scrambling yardage which Collins never got. I think he is top 8-10 if he stays healthy.

 

[The Jerk]

Trivia Question:How many current QBs have made top-8 4 of the past 5 years?

Anwer:3 - Peyton Manning, Trent Green, Aaron Brooks

Very pertinent to the Brooks discussion considering the other two are still with the same team, while Brooks is not.Brooks still has value especially at the right point in the draft, but there is almost no meaning in lumping him in with Peyton and Trent.

 

[Raider Nation]

Trivia Question:

How many current QBs have made top-8 4 of the past 5 years?

Anwer:3 - Peyton Manning, Trent Green, Aaron Brooks

Brooks may well turn out to be a capable fantasy QB, which this thread is about. But it's real football which concerns me.

He is JUST good enough to throw stupid picks at crucial times to cost Oakland games.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Chase, I'll bite. Whose stats?

Pre-season stats of the dude who hoisted the Lombardi Trophy six months ago.

 

[The Jerk]

Chase, I'll bite. Whose stats?

Pre-season stats of the dude who hoisted the Lombardi Trophy six months ago.

That same dude was 22nd (FBG scoring) in fantasy ppg among QBs, no? (18th among QBs with 10 or more starts)Is that supposed to reassure us about Brooks or justify dropping him to around 20th?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Chase, I'll bite. Whose stats?

Pre-season stats of the dude who hoisted the Lombardi Trophy six months ago.

That same dude was 22nd (FBG scoring) in fantasy ppg among QBs, no? (18th among QBs with 10 or more starts)Is that supposed to reassure us about Brooks or justify dropping him to around 20th?

Roethlisberger led the NFL in yards per pass last season and won the Super Bowl. I'd say that's pretty strong evidence that a really ugly pre-season is hardly a death knell for a player's regular (and post) season prospects.

 

[SSOG]

Trivia Question:

How many current QBs have made top-8 4 of the past 5 years?

Anwer:3 - Peyton Manning, Trent Green, Aaron Brooks

Brooks may well turn out to be a capable fantasy QB, which this thread is about. But it's real football which concerns me.

He is JUST good enough to throw stupid picks at crucial times to cost Oakland games.

Come on, now, you guys just got rid of Norv Turner. You could start Ken Stabler at QB and your team would still be improved over last year.

 

[The Jerk]

Chase, I'll bite. Whose stats?

Pre-season stats of the dude who hoisted the Lombardi Trophy six months ago.

That same dude was 22nd (FBG scoring) in fantasy ppg among QBs, no? (18th among QBs with 10 or more starts)Is that supposed to reassure us about Brooks or justify dropping him to around 20th?

Roethlisberger led the NFL in yards per pass last season and won the Super Bowl. I'd say that's pretty strong evidence that a really ugly pre-season is hardly a death knell for a player's regular (and post) season prospects.

You know that I (as a Steeler fan) know all about it. Just having fun with you.

 

[SSOG]

Chase, I'll bite. Whose stats?

Pre-season stats of the dude who hoisted the Lombardi Trophy six months ago.

That same dude was 22nd (FBG scoring) in fantasy ppg among QBs, no? (18th among QBs with 10 or more starts)Is that supposed to reassure us about Brooks or justify dropping him to around 20th?

Roethlisberger led the NFL in yards per pass last season and won the Super Bowl. I'd say that's pretty strong evidence that a really ugly pre-season is hardly a death knell for a player's regular (and post) season prospects.

Actually, if you want to make the "preseason is meaningless" case, I think you'd be better served with Jake Plummer's 2004 and 2005 numbers (compared to his 2004 and 2005 regular season numbers).

 

[MLBrandow]

Trivia Question:

How many current QBs have made top-8 4 of the past 5 years?

Anwer:3 - Peyton Manning, Trent Green, Aaron Brooks

Brooks may well turn out to be a capable fantasy QB, which this thread is about. But it's real football which concerns me.

He is JUST good enough to throw stupid picks at crucial times to cost Oakland games.

Oh yeah.. real football the Raiders are looking at the again.Brooks is a terrible decision-maker and is not a good leader.

FF doesn't discriminate though between game time and garbage time though... why should we care?

 

[H.K.]

In my 10 team redraft league, we start 2 QB's.

Last night Brooks went as QB 23!

Volek went ahead of him!

My guess is that he'll be benched at some point in the season, so I stayed away. Obviously, everyone else shared that poinion.

 

[MLBrandow]

In my 10 team redraft league, we start 2 QB's.

Last night Brooks went as QB 23!

Volek went ahead of him!

My guess is that he'll be benched at some point in the season, so I stayed away. Obviously, everyone else shared that poinion.

He likely will be benched for the last 2-3 games IMO.That said, his floor would likely be NO last year..... QB16.

Still huge value.

 

[BigTex]

I drafted Brooks with my last pick 16.1 in a ten team league on August 6th. His stock was already low and he was the last QB taken 19 others went before him.

 

[texasheat]

I downgraded him after watching the Raiders' OL look horrible in each of the first two games. It's not about preseason schemes or anything. The players are just getting beaten -- badly -- one on one.If the OL is bad, it's hard for the QB to get fantasy stats.

Drew Bledsoe did ok last year... he was sacked more than anyone in NFL (save David Carr) and still finished QB6.

 

[BigRed]

Chase, I'll bite. Whose stats?

Pre-season stats of the dude who hoisted the Lombardi Trophy six months ago.

ie a guy I wouldn't draft on a bet.I admit his pathetic 2 outings so far have knocked him down my list, but I wasn on the fence about him as a backup QB anyway.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Most people realize he never should have been high on draft boards though his season will be better than the preseason

Most people realize that a QB who finished 6th, 6th, 5th, 8th, and 16th (despite a hurricane and 3 missed games) in fantasy points in his 5 seasons as a starter shouldn't be ranked as one of the top-16 fantasy QBs?Fine with me. Brooks = Value.

Exactly. And to boot, he now has a better #1 WR than hes ever had. You guys are crazy. When not facing a disasterous situation like last year, hes a guaranteed top 10 QB with tons of consistency from year to year. I'll gladly take him as my #1 QB. I have him at #2 behind Manning in fact.

 

[Assani Fisher]

I downgraded him after watching the Raiders' OL look horrible in each of the first two games. It's not about preseason schemes or anything. The players are just getting beaten -- badly -- one on one.If the OL is bad, it's hard for the QB to get fantasy stats.

Collins was still a very ok fantasy option last season as he finished as the 13th best QB in my league. Unless you think Brooks won't finish the season starting then there is no way Brooks won't finish in the top 12 fantasy wise. He will get his fantasy points if he is the starter all season and will easily finish top 12.This is basically the same O-line that blocked for Oak last season. In fact on paper they should actually be more mature and should have improved. Gallery moving back to lt will take some adjustment but I think he will be ok.Walters will learn from the sidelines this year. If he is in, people will see how raw he really is. Remember although he had some good moments in the preseason he did get picked off twice and only finished 10 for 19. Not exactly Cutler numbers.Let's not jump the gun here.

Do I need to remind you that Brooks was ONE for 3 and ONE for 6 in the Raider's two preseason games.

Do I need to remind you that it was PRESEASON and that Brooks has a history of top FF performances in the REGULAR SEASON.

 

[Banger]

17th? He went undrafted in a 12 team keeper auction I did Sunday night.

Two words. Val. Ue.Say it with me now people. Aaron Brooks = Value.

He only has value if he's the starter and I'm not sure how long that will be. I was on the value train as well but the more I watch him the more the train is slowing. I know it's the preseason but really the only way he could look worse at this point would be another pass in the wrong direction....

 

[Assani Fisher]

I would be more than willing to make this bet with anyone:

Name 5 QBs. If all 5 of them finish with more fantasy points per games started than Brooks then you win. If not, then I win. Standard scoring: 6pts/all TDs, 1pt/25 yards passing, 1 pt/10 yards rush or rec.

You can name how much money you want to bet or suggest a sig bet or some other type of bet.

If you guys really believe that he is only QB #20 then you should easily take this.

ETA: All 5 of your QBs must finish with more than 8 games started. Therefore, you should pick one or two alternates and if one of your 5 doesn't start enough games, then your alternates will come into play.

 

[H.K.]

I would be more than willing to make this bet with anyone:Name 5 QBs. If all 5 of them finish with more fantasy points per games started than Brooks then you win. If not, then I win. Standard scoring: 6pts/all TDs, 1pt/25 yards passing, 1 pt/10 yards rush or rec.You can name how much money you want to bet or suggest a sig bet or some other type of bet. If you guys really believe that he is only QB #20 then you should easily take this.ETA: All 5 of your QBs must finish with more than 8 games started. Therefore, you should pick one or two alternates and if one of your 5 doesn't start enough games, then your alternates will come into play.

Peyton ManningMcNabbHasselbeckPalmerDelhommealt: 1) Plummer 2) Eli Manning

 

[GoL]

I was high on Brooks but am starting to have some concerns.

Positives - Soft schedule

Poor team = garbage stats

Moss should be good for 5 TD's Brooks won't deserve

Consistent past performances

My league doesn't penalize for INTs

Negatives - Poor O-line play

Poor attitude (he does not sound like a guy trying to improve)

New team/new coach/new system (does Brooks have the brains to adjust?)

At this point I don't know if I would be comfortable as my QB1 but I hope to get him cheap as my QB2

 

[oldfootbal]

NFL Radio was talking in depth about Brooks last night. They are convinced that Art Shell is running the ball more the first two games of the pre-season in order to set a new tone for toughness and discipline as opposed to Norv Turner's philosophy. They went on to say that Brooks should be passing more in the next two pre-season games. They don't think Walter's will take over this season.

 

[#@%&$!?]

I would be more than willing to make this bet with anyone:

Name 5 QBs. If all 5 of them finish with more fantasy points per games started than Brooks then you win. If not, then I win. Standard scoring: 6pts/all TDs, 1pt/25 yards passing, 1 pt/10 yards rush or rec.

You can name how much money you want to bet or suggest a sig bet or some other type of bet.

If you guys really believe that he is only QB #20 then you should easily take this.

ETA: All 5 of your QBs must finish with more than 8 games started. Therefore, you should pick one or two alternates and if one of your 5 doesn't start enough games, then your alternates will come into play.

Isn't the argument the anti-brooks people are using is that he won't be starting by late season?btw. I think Brooks is a crappy nfl qb with decent fantasy value. He did put up some decent fantasy numbers over the past 5 or so years, but that can't last forever.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

He went QB13 and QB16 in the survivor league drafts I was involved in. These started before preseason, so maybe he's not falling as far as you think in competitive leagues.

 

[MLBrandow]

I was high on Brooks but am starting to have some concerns.

Positives - Soft schedule

Poor team = garbage stats

Moss should be good for 5 TD's Brooks won't deserve

Consistent past performances

My league doesn't penalize for INTs

Negatives - Poor O-line play

Poor attitude (he does not sound like a guy trying to improve)

New team/new coach/new system (does Brooks have the brains to adjust?)

At this point I don't know if I would be comfortable as my QB1 but I hope to get him cheap as my QB2

That's hilarious haha. Probably true, but still funny.