Aaron Brooks versus Daunte Culpepper (1 Viewer)

[Gator Shawn]

I'm having a really hard time reconciling these two guys. Both have been solid fpts scorers in their careers and both are in very difficult situations to gauge.

 

[David Yudkin]

I would vote neither if the baseline was QB1 production, but since that wasn't a choice, I would vote Culpepper. Brooks will probably average more PPG, but by the end of the year the Raiders will be out of the race and will give Walters a shot.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Your poll says Brooks is going sooner than Culpepper.

That's wrong.

Edit: By ADP, Culpepper is QB8, Brooks is QB16.

 

[jurb26]

I vote Brooks mainly because I know he is healthy.

 

[tehzig]

If Culpepper's knee holds up, I don't see any way he gets outperformed by Brooks. The Dolphins' offense is immeasurably better.

 

[jurb26]

The Dolphins' offense is immeasurably better.

In what way?

 

[diesel7982]

I would vote neither if the baseline was QB1 production, but since that wasn't a choice, I would vote Culpepper. Brooks will probably average more PPG, but by the end of the year the Raiders will be out of the race and will give Walters a shot.

They gave him that much money to bench him at the end of the year?

 

[tehzig]

The Dolphins' offense is immeasurably better.

In what way?

Better offensive line, better running game. The only thing that gives Brooks any kind of edge is the fact that he now has Moss catching his passes. Still, it isn't like Brooks hasn't head top-level talent catching his passes, and he's been terrible with some regularity. He's also shown that he makes terrible decisions when he's hurried, which will probably happen again with some regularity in Oakland.

 

[David Yudkin]

I would vote neither if the baseline was QB1 production, but since that wasn't a choice, I would vote Culpepper.  Brooks will probably average more PPG, but by the end of the year the Raiders will be out of the race and will give Walters a shot.

They gave him that much money to bench him at the end of the year?

He only signed a 2-year deal for $8 million. that's not that much for a QB. I'm not saying that it's a sure think, but the Raiders seem to love Walter (especially Davis).

Walter officially became Oakland's "Quarterback of the Future" the minute the team passed on Matt Leinart and Jay Cutler. Aaron Brooks remains the heavy favorite to start this season while the Raiders stay in playoff contention.

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Speculation is beginning to circulate that while Oakland Raiders quarterback Aaron Brooks will likely open the season as the team's starting quarterback, but that if he falters early in preseason and/or the regular season, he could be quickly replaced in the starting line-up by quarterback Andrew Walter. "Nothing is promised to anybody," Raiders coach Art Shell said earlier this off-season.

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[jurb26]

The Dolphins' offense is immeasurably better.

In what way?

Better offensive line, better running game. The only thing that gives Brooks any kind of edge is the fact that he now has Moss catching his passes. Still, it isn't like Brooks hasn't head top-level talent catching his passes, and he's been terrible with some regularity. He's also shown that he makes terrible decisions when he's hurried, which will probably happen again with some regularity in Oakland.

I think the Oak running game and Oline will improve this year. Especially if Moss can stay healthy and force double/triple coverage. The Oline has some talented young players and Jordan is a suitable RB. Brooks has been known to make bad decisions when pressured, but so does every QB. Look at the catastophy last year was for Pep w/o Moss. He too has issues to clear up in that department if you ask me. I see the guys a a relative push at this point. If Brooks could asure to be playing all year then I would take him easliy over CPep. Cpep is a mobile QB recovering from an awful knee injury. I like his prospects in Mia, espcially with Chambers (who I love as a fit for him) but I'll temper my enthusiasim for now.

 

[tehzig]

Thats fair.

 

[Gator Shawn]

The Dolphins' offense is immeasurably better.

In what way?

Better offensive line, better running game. The only thing that gives Brooks any kind of edge is the fact that he now has Moss catching his passes. Still, it isn't like Brooks hasn't head top-level talent catching his passes, and he's been terrible with some regularity. He's also shown that he makes terrible decisions when he's hurried, which will probably happen again with some regularity in Oakland.

I think the Oak running game and Oline will improve this year. Especially if Moss can stay healthy and force double/triple coverage. The Oline has some talented young players and Jordan is a suitable RB. Brooks has been known to make bad decisions when pressured, but so does every QB. Look at the catastophy last year was for Pep w/o Moss. He too has issues to clear up in that department if you ask me. I see the guys a a relative push at this point. If Brooks could asure to be playing all year then I would take him easliy over CPep. Cpep is a mobile QB recovering from an awful knee injury. I like his prospects in Mia, espcially with Chambers (who I love as a fit for him) but I'll temper my enthusiasim for now.

That's exactly how a I feel. A Push.

 

[cybergourmet]

This is a no brainer.

Last year horn was hurt, mcallister was hurt... the stadium thing... etc.

Brooks/Jordan-his pass catching a good thing for Brooks/Moss

vs.

Culpepper/Brown/Chambers

closer than I think but I'm thinking Brooks...

 

[CalBear]

Why would they sub in Walter for Brooks this season, when they didn't sub him in for Collins last season? They finished 4-12.

I really haven't heard much to suggest that Oakland wants to put Walter in.

 

[Tau837]

Why would they sub in Walter for Brooks this season, when they didn't sub him in for Collins last season? They finished 4-12.

I really haven't heard much to suggest that Oakland wants to put Walter in.

I've posted this before in other threads, along with a lot of other great stuff on Brooks, but nobody wants to hear it. It's fine, hopefully that means I can get him later.

 

[David Yudkin]

Why would they sub in Walter for Brooks this season, when they didn't sub him in for Collins last season?  They finished 4-12.

I really haven't heard much to suggest that Oakland wants to put Walter in.

I've posted this before in other threads, along with a lot of other great stuff on Brooks, but nobody wants to hear it. It's fine, hopefully that means I can get him later.

I own Brooks, so I hope you guys are right, but I've seen enough whispers that some people are concerned and I was just bringing it up.Playing Devil's Advocate, Collins had one of the best statistcial years of his career last year, and OAK still benched him at the end of the season. Given that, wouldn't it stand to reason that if they have a poor record they would consider doing the same thing this year?

 

[joffer]

Why would they sub in Walter for Brooks this season, when they didn't sub him in for Collins last season?  They finished 4-12.

I really haven't heard much to suggest that Oakland wants to put Walter in.

I've posted this before in other threads, along with a lot of other great stuff on Brooks, but nobody wants to hear it. It's fine, hopefully that means I can get him later.

going into week 12 the Raiders were coming off of a victory over the Redskins and were 4-6. Perhaps they thought they still had a shot at a wildcard. Then they lost 6 straight, during which everyone knew Turner would be fired.

 

[Tau837]

Why would they sub in Walter for Brooks this season, when they didn't sub him in for Collins last season?  They finished 4-12.

I really haven't heard much to suggest that Oakland wants to put Walter in.

I've posted this before in other threads, along with a lot of other great stuff on Brooks, but nobody wants to hear it. It's fine, hopefully that means I can get him later.

going into week 12 the Raiders were coming off of a victory over the Redskins and were 4-6. Perhaps they thought they still had a shot at a wildcard. Then they lost 6 straight, during which everyone knew Turner would be fired.

You lost me. What does everyone knowing Turner would be fired have to do with not playing Walter? Especially if Davis likes Walter so much as I keep hearing?Collins missed week 14. Entering that week the Raiders were 4-8. They played Tui, not Walter. Why?

Afterwards, they were 4-9. No shot at a playoff spot. Why bring back Collins for the last 3 games? Why not give Walter a shot, especially given that Collins was to be a free agent?

 

[joffer]

Why would they sub in Walter for Brooks this season, when they didn't sub him in for Collins last season?  They finished 4-12.

I really haven't heard much to suggest that Oakland wants to put Walter in.

I've posted this before in other threads, along with a lot of other great stuff on Brooks, but nobody wants to hear it. It's fine, hopefully that means I can get him later.

going into week 12 the Raiders were coming off of a victory over the Redskins and were 4-6. Perhaps they thought they still had a shot at a wildcard. Then they lost 6 straight, during which everyone knew Turner would be fired.

You lost me. What does everyone knowing Turner would be fired have to do with not playing Walter? Especially if Davis likes Walter so much as I keep hearing?Collins missed week 14. Entering that week the Raiders were 4-8. They played Tui, not Walter. Why?

Afterwards, they were 4-9. No shot at a playoff spot. Why bring back Collins for the last 3 games? Why not give Walter a shot, especially given that Collins was to be a free agent?

maybe they didn't think Walter was readymaybe they didn't want to bring him in if they knew there was going to be a regime change

i don't begin to pretend to understand what goes through Al Davis' mind, but saying they won't do it this year because they didn't do it last year doesn't jive with me. Walters has another year under his belt.

 

[Tau837]

Why would they sub in Walter for Brooks this season, when they didn't sub him in for Collins last season?  They finished 4-12.

I really haven't heard much to suggest that Oakland wants to put Walter in.

I've posted this before in other threads, along with a lot of other great stuff on Brooks, but nobody wants to hear it. It's fine, hopefully that means I can get him later.

I own Brooks, so I hope you guys are right, but I've seen enough whispers that some people are concerned and I was just bringing it up.Playing Devil's Advocate, Collins had one of the best statistcial years of his career last year, and OAK still benched him at the end of the season. Given that, wouldn't it stand to reason that if they have a poor record they would consider doing the same thing this year?

Are you aware that Collins played every game except week 14? He missed that one and then came back to play weeks 15-17 (and attempt 119 passes!). Maybe you and I have a different view of what constitutes getting benched at the end of the season.

 

[Tau837]

Why would they sub in Walter for Brooks this season, when they didn't sub him in for Collins last season?  They finished 4-12.

I really haven't heard much to suggest that Oakland wants to put Walter in.

I've posted this before in other threads, along with a lot of other great stuff on Brooks, but nobody wants to hear it. It's fine, hopefully that means I can get him later.

going into week 12 the Raiders were coming off of a victory over the Redskins and were 4-6. Perhaps they thought they still had a shot at a wildcard. Then they lost 6 straight, during which everyone knew Turner would be fired.

You lost me. What does everyone knowing Turner would be fired have to do with not playing Walter? Especially if Davis likes Walter so much as I keep hearing?Collins missed week 14. Entering that week the Raiders were 4-8. They played Tui, not Walter. Why?

Afterwards, they were 4-9. No shot at a playoff spot. Why bring back Collins for the last 3 games? Why not give Walter a shot, especially given that Collins was to be a free agent?

maybe they didn't think Walter was readymaybe they didn't want to bring him in if they knew there was going to be a regime change

i don't begin to pretend what goes through Al Davis' mind, but saying they won't do it this year because they didn't do it last year doesn't jive with me. Walters has another year under his belt.

That's fine. But you and others post this in every thread as if it is a certainty. The only evidence supports the other side: just signed Brooks, Brooks is talented, team didn't bench lame duck Collins. There is no real evidence the other way, just a lack of faith in Brooks.EDIT: And while I'll grant that as a rookie he may not have been ready, what does a pending coaching change have to do with it? The same coaching staff was still coaching him... he was still learning/practicing Turner's lame duck offense. Why would it be detrimental to play him?

 

[CalBear]

i don't begin to pretend to understand what goes through Al Davis' mind, but saying they won't do it this year because they didn't do it last year doesn't jive with me. Walters has another year under his belt.

1) I watched Walter extensively in college, and he doesn't have what it takes to be an NFL QB.2) I live in Oakland, and I have not seen anything plausible coming from the team that would indicate that they're interested in starting Walter.

 

[joffer]

i don't begin to pretend to understand what goes through Al Davis' mind, but saying they won't do it this year because they didn't do it last year doesn't jive with me.  Walters has another year under his belt.

1) I watched Walter extensively in college, and he doesn't have what it takes to be an NFL QB.

that's your opinion, they saw something they liked or they wouldn't have drafted him.and i could say that i've watched a ton of Aaron Brooks and i don't believe he has what it takes to lead that team anywhere except to 8-8.

 

[joffer]

Why would they sub in Walter for Brooks this season, when they didn't sub him in for Collins last season?  They finished 4-12.

I really haven't heard much to suggest that Oakland wants to put Walter in.

I've posted this before in other threads, along with a lot of other great stuff on Brooks, but nobody wants to hear it. It's fine, hopefully that means I can get him later.

going into week 12 the Raiders were coming off of a victory over the Redskins and were 4-6. Perhaps they thought they still had a shot at a wildcard. Then they lost 6 straight, during which everyone knew Turner would be fired.

You lost me. What does everyone knowing Turner would be fired have to do with not playing Walter? Especially if Davis likes Walter so much as I keep hearing?Collins missed week 14. Entering that week the Raiders were 4-8. They played Tui, not Walter. Why?

Afterwards, they were 4-9. No shot at a playoff spot. Why bring back Collins for the last 3 games? Why not give Walter a shot, especially given that Collins was to be a free agent?

maybe they didn't think Walter was readymaybe they didn't want to bring him in if they knew there was going to be a regime change

i don't begin to pretend what goes through Al Davis' mind, but saying they won't do it this year because they didn't do it last year doesn't jive with me. Walters has another year under his belt.

That's fine. But you and others post this in every thread as if it is a certainty. The only evidence supports the other side: just signed Brooks, Brooks is talented, team didn't bench lame duck Collins. There is no real evidence the other way, just a lack of faith in Brooks.EDIT: And while I'll grant that as a rookie he may not have been ready, what does a pending coaching change have to do with it? The same coaching staff was still coaching him... he was still learning/practicing Turner's lame duck offense. Why would it be detrimental to play him?

if the team was quitting on Turner, one sure fire way to hurt a young QB's confidence it to make him Captain of a sinking ship.edit: and i don't recall saying it was a certainty he gets benched

 

[CalBear]

i don't begin to pretend to understand what goes through Al Davis' mind, but saying they won't do it this year because they didn't do it last year doesn't jive with me. Walters has another year under his belt.

1) I watched Walter extensively in college, and he doesn't have what it takes to be an NFL QB.

that's your opinion, they saw something they liked or they wouldn't have drafted him.and i could say that i've watched a ton of Aaron Brooks and i don't believe he has what it takes to lead that team anywhere except to 8-8.

Yes, it's my opinion. My opinion is a lot more likely to be right than wrong, because few people have what it takes to be an NFL QB. I don't think Brooks is a great QB, but if they're headed to 8-8, a 4-game improvement over 2005, he's not going to get benched. Brooks and Moss are likely to work well together, a lot better than Collins and Moss did.

 

[joffer]

Yes, it's my opinion. My opinion is a lot more likely to be right than wrong, because few people have what it takes to be an NFL QB.

that's whether he succeeds or fails, not whether he gets the chance.

 

[Tau837]

i don't begin to pretend to understand what goes through Al Davis' mind, but saying they won't do it this year because they didn't do it last year doesn't jive with me.  Walters has another year under his belt.

1) I watched Walter extensively in college, and he doesn't have what it takes to be an NFL QB.

that's your opinion, they saw something they liked or they wouldn't have drafted him.and i could say that i've watched a ton of Aaron Brooks and i don't believe he has what it takes to lead that team anywhere except to 8-8.

Yes, it's my opinion. My opinion is a lot more likely to be right than wrong, because few people have what it takes to be an NFL QB. I don't think Brooks is a great QB, but if they're headed to 8-8, a 4-game improvement over 2005, he's not going to get benched. Brooks and Moss are likely to work well together, a lot better than Collins and Moss did.

I had the same reaction to joffer's comment.

 

[joffer]

i don't begin to pretend to understand what goes through Al Davis' mind, but saying they won't do it this year because they didn't do it last year doesn't jive with me.  Walters has another year under his belt.

1) I watched Walter extensively in college, and he doesn't have what it takes to be an NFL QB.

that's your opinion, they saw something they liked or they wouldn't have drafted him.and i could say that i've watched a ton of Aaron Brooks and i don't believe he has what it takes to lead that team anywhere except to 8-8.

Yes, it's my opinion. My opinion is a lot more likely to be right than wrong, because few people have what it takes to be an NFL QB. I don't think Brooks is a great QB, but if they're headed to 8-8, a 4-game improvement over 2005, he's not going to get benched. Brooks and Moss are likely to work well together, a lot better than Collins and Moss did.

I had the same reaction to joffer's comment.

i think 8-8 is their ceiling, and agree if they do that he won't get benched.

 

[aposulli]

Gotta be Culpepper.

At least he isn't as likely to be benched by his coach because of his team's poor record.

Culpepper has the weapons that he didn't have last year. How soon we forget he's been the #1 fantasy QB when healthy... 4 times!! (granted, that was with Moss)

Brooks has awesome weapons, but isn't there a chance if the Raiders are 2-12, he be benched for Al Davis' boy Andrew Walter?

 

[ShotGunStyle]

I don't see the Raiders as a playoff team in 2006, but I sure as hell don't see them going 2-12 through 14 games either.

 

[jurb26]

Gotta be Culpepper.

At least he isn't as likely to be benched by his coach because of his team's poor record.

Culpepper has the weapons that he didn't have last year. How soon we forget he's been the #1 fantasy QB when healthy... 4 times!! (granted, that was with Moss)

Brooks has awesome weapons, but isn't there a chance if the Raiders are 2-12, he be benched for Al Davis' boy Andrew Walter?

But there is no certianty that CPep is even fully healthy and ready to go. Sure, camp reports are sounding great, but they always are. Brooks could be bench, lbut I see it as doubtful for all the reason several others have stated in the many other Brooks threads. CPep seems much more likely to miss time from his injury or simply be hobbled by it and I see that as a worse fate right now. Oh and the Moss guy you referenced is catching passes for Brooks this year.