Active shooter at Washington Navy Yard (1 Viewer)

[Jules Winnfield]

Look, every time one of these terrible events happen, we always hear that police are looking for additional shooters. And then an hour or two later, most times we are told that in fact there was only one shooter. Not saying that's the way it will be this time, but I think two or more shooters are pretty rare.

Where did you copy this from?

 

[tjnc09]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/09/16/reddit-bans-subreddit-for-finding-the-navy-yard-shooters/

Reddit bans subreddit dedicated to finding the Navy Yard shooters

However, the first picture I saw of the suspect was linked from Reddit.

 

[beavers]

A gal I played college ball with works as an accountant at the Navy Yard. I messaged her on Facebook - she's fine but still in lock down as they continue to secure the area (I guess look for the 2nd shooter?) Said they are releasing people building by building and she'll most likely have to leave her car there. Are they shuttling people away from the area?

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/09/16/reddit-bans-subreddit-for-finding-the-navy-yard-shooters/

Reddit bans subreddit dedicated to finding the Navy Yard shooters

However, the first picture I saw of the suspect was linked from Reddit.

I'm guessing it is the same guy CNN and NBC ID'd, or was it some kid that had been missing a month and dead a week?

 

[tjnc09]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/09/16/reddit-bans-subreddit-for-finding-the-navy-yard-shooters/

Reddit bans subreddit dedicated to finding the Navy Yard shooters

However, the first picture I saw of the suspect was linked from Reddit.

I'm guessing it is the same guy CNN and NBC ID'd, or was it some kid that had been missing a month and dead a week?

It was him. I assume the picture was his mugshot from 2010.

Apparently, he was cooking with slippery hands and accidently discharged his weapon. The bullet shot through the floor of a woman's apartment above his. Coincidentally, that woman was one he had complained to management several times about how much noise she made. He didn't check to see if anyone was hurt in the apt above him because he didn't see light so the bullet must not have went completely through the floor. He was never formally charged.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/09/16/reddit-bans-subreddit-for-finding-the-navy-yard-shooters/

Reddit bans subreddit dedicated to finding the Navy Yard shooters

However, the first picture I saw of the suspect was linked from Reddit.

I'm guessing it is the same guy CNN and NBC ID'd, or was it some kid that had been missing a month and dead a week?

It was him. I assume the picture was his mugshot from 2010.Apparently, he was cooking with slippery hands and accidently discharged his weapon. The bullet shot through the floor of a woman's apartment above his. Coincidentally, that woman was one he had complained to management several times about how much noise she made. He didn't check to see if anyone was hurt in the apt above him because he didn't see light so the bullet must not have went completely through the floor. He was never formally charged.

Wow cops bought that story? "You see I was making some breakfast and had some butter on my hands and I accidentally discharged my firearm at the ceiling."

 

[dgreen]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/09/16/reddit-bans-subreddit-for-finding-the-navy-yard-shooters/

Reddit bans subreddit dedicated to finding the Navy Yard shooters

However, the first picture I saw of the suspect was linked from Reddit.

I'm guessing it is the same guy CNN and NBC ID'd, or was it some kid that had been missing a month and dead a week?

It was him. I assume the picture was his mugshot from 2010.Apparently, he was cooking with slippery hands and accidently discharged his weapon. The bullet shot through the floor of a woman's apartment above his. Coincidentally, that woman was one he had complained to management several times about how much noise she made. He didn't check to see if anyone was hurt in the apt above him because he didn't see light so the bullet must not have went completely through the floor. He was never formally charged.

Wow cops bought that story? "You see I was making some breakfast and had some butter on my hands and I accidentally discharged my firearm at the ceiling."

2010 Arrest Report

 

[tjnc09]

Daily Mail saying that incident led him to be kicked out of the Navy

 

[jamny]

So have they ruled out additional suspects?

 

[[icon]]

Gun free zone indeed. :(

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

So have they ruled out additional suspects?

Last I heard there were "persons of interest." I'm not sure how he got the badge to entry and how he got the guns into the complex. FBI is seeking more information about him.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/aaron-alexis

 

[pantagrapher]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/09/16/reddit-bans-subreddit-for-finding-the-navy-yard-shooters/

Reddit bans subreddit dedicated to finding the Navy Yard shooters

However, the first picture I saw of the suspect was linked from Reddit.

I'm guessing it is the same guy CNN and NBC ID'd, or was it some kid that had been missing a month and dead a week?

It was him. I assume the picture was his mugshot from 2010.Apparently, he was cooking with slippery hands and accidently discharged his weapon. The bullet shot through the floor of a woman's apartment above his. Coincidentally, that woman was one he had complained to management several times about how much noise she made. He didn't check to see if anyone was hurt in the apt above him because he didn't see light so the bullet must not have went completely through the floor. He was never formally charged.

Wow cops bought that story? "You see I was making some breakfast and had some butter on my hands and I accidentally discharged my firearm at the ceiling."

Great police work by the Fort Worth PD. Hope they're proud of themselves.

 

[timschochet]

Gun free zone indeed. :(

Was it? I was curious about this myself.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Aaron Alexis, the deceased suspect in Monday's Washington Navy Yard shooting, was also involved in an earlier gun-related incident in 2004 in Seattle that he blamed on a "blackout."In response to "numerous inquiries about the incident," Seattle police on Monday released a summary of the May 6, 2004 case where Alexis was arrested for allegedly shooting out the tires of another man's car. The summary also included details about Alexis' apparent involvement in rescue work after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks in New York City.

"At about 8 am that morning, two construction workers had parked their 1986 Honda Accord in the driveway of their worksite, next to a home where Alexis was staying in the Beacon Hill neighborhood," a post on the Seattle Police website said of the 2004 incident. "The victims reported seeing a man, later identified by police as Alexis, walk out of the home next to their worksite, pull a gun from his waistband and fire three shots into the two rear tires of their Honda before he walked slowly back to his home north of the construction site."

According to the summary, the construction workers told police Alexis had "stared" at workers at the site "every day over the last month prior to the shooting." They believed he was angry over parking near the site.

When police arrested Alexis, he told them the workers "mocked" and "disrespected" him, leading to an anger-induced "blackout." Alexis also said he was "disturbed" by Sept. 11. His father told police Alexis had worked in the rescue effort after the attack.

Police reports from Fort Worth, Texas showed Alexis also was arrested there in 2010 for allegedly shooting a bullet into an apartment occupied by a neighbor he had disputes with. His name was also linked to a Texas police report from July of this year after his roommate said he thought his "roomate put unknown substance in gas tank" of a vehicle he owned "to damage" it. It was unclear whether Alexis was the roommate accused tampering with the car in that case.

 

[rascal]

Gun free zone indeed. :(

Was it? I was curious about this myself.

its a military base, so anyone who possesses a firearm who isn't authorized (MPs, security, etc) will be fired on the spot (civilians/contractors) if a search, random car searches are not uncommon, reveals a weapon.

 

[NCCommish]

Aaron Alexis, the deceased suspect in Monday's Washington Navy Yard shooting, was also involved in an earlier gun-related incident in 2004 in Seattle that he blamed on a "blackout."In response to "numerous inquiries about the incident," Seattle police on Monday released a summary of the May 6, 2004 case where Alexis was arrested for allegedly shooting out the tires of another man's car. The summary also included details about Alexis' apparent involvement in rescue work after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks in New York City.

"At about 8 am that morning, two construction workers had parked their 1986 Honda Accord in the driveway of their worksite, next to a home where Alexis was staying in the Beacon Hill neighborhood," a post on the Seattle Police website said of the 2004 incident. "The victims reported seeing a man, later identified by police as Alexis, walk out of the home next to their worksite, pull a gun from his waistband and fire three shots into the two rear tires of their Honda before he walked slowly back to his home north of the construction site."

According to the summary, the construction workers told police Alexis had "stared" at workers at the site "every day over the last month prior to the shooting." They believed he was angry over parking near the site.

When police arrested Alexis, he told them the workers "mocked" and "disrespected" him, leading to an anger-induced "blackout." Alexis also said he was "disturbed" by Sept. 11. His father told police Alexis had worked in the rescue effort after the attack.

Police reports from Fort Worth, Texas showed Alexis also was arrested there in 2010 for allegedly shooting a bullet into an apartment occupied by a neighbor he had disputes with. His name was also linked to a Texas police report from July of this year after his roommate said he thought his "roomate put unknown substance in gas tank" of a vehicle he owned "to damage" it. It was unclear whether Alexis was the roommate accused tampering with the car in that case.

This guy didn't just have a red flag he had a friggin color guard.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Gun free zone indeed. :(

Was it? I was curious about this myself.

its a military base, so anyone who possesses a firearm who isn't authorized (MPs, security, etc) will be fired on the spot (civilians/contractors) if a search, random car searches are not uncommon, reveals a weapon.

I hate to even pay lip service to the incredibly stupid "gun free zones" argument because (1) it assumes that these people are rational, and (2) the vast majority of public gathering places are gun free, so the odds are that most of these things will happen in one.

But the pro-gun crowd that makes the "gun free zones" argument claims that these shooters often target such areas because they know there won't be many/any armed people there to stop them. Obviously their argument falls apart here, which is fine because it was an idiotic argument anyway. Whether or not unauthorized people are allowed to carry weapons there is beside the point.

 

[Mister Martie]

Anger induced blackouts? That doesn't sound good.

 

[jon_mx]

I am a little surprised the guy could have several gun incidents on his record, have a general discharge from the Navy reserves and still obtain a clearance.

 

[Jobber]

How does one receive a General Discharge, have anger issues, multiple arrests involving firearms and receive clearance to work at a facility like this? Hell, this guy would get flagged on a background check applying for McDonalds fry cook.

 

[jon_mx]

How does one receive a General Discharge, have anger issues, multiple arrests involving firearms and receive clearance to work at a facility like this? Hell, this guy would get flagged on a background check applying for McDonalds fry cook.

If it were just one incident, I could see giving a pass with other good character references.

 

[Sand]

#assaultweaponsban

Or allow military personnel to carry sidearms. We entrust these guys with ships, subs, and nuclear missiles. But not with sidearms?

 

[TPW]

How does one receive a General Discharge, have anger issues, multiple arrests involving firearms and receive clearance to work at a facility like this? Hell, this guy would get flagged on a background check applying for McDonalds fry cook.

How did Army Major Nidal Hassan also continue to work on base after receiving poor evaluations, being repeatedly transferred, and publicly expressing virulent anti-American views?

Answer: The fear of accusations of discrimination/racism by his superiors.

Political correctness isn't just stupid, it demonstrably results in innocent people losing their lives.

 

[TobiasFunke]

#assaultweaponsban

Or allow military personnel to carry sidearms. We entrust these guys with ships, subs, and nuclear missiles. But not with sidearms?

Do you think there weren't any armed people around? Have you ever been there? There's armed security everywhere.

You've got a guy who had no business buying a gun doing so easily in a state with liberal gun laws and walking it onto a facility with dozens (hundreds?) of armed personnel and killing 12 people. There's no pro-gun argument to be had here. Just drop it.

 

[jon_mx]

How does one receive a General Discharge, have anger issues, multiple arrests involving firearms and receive clearance to work at a facility like this? Hell, this guy would get flagged on a background check applying for McDonalds fry cook.

How did Army Major Nidal Hassan also continue to work on base after receiving poor evaluations, being repeatedly transferred, and publicly expressing virulent anti-American views?

Answer: The fear of accusations of discrimination/racism by his superiors.

Political correctness isn't just stupid, it demonstrably results in innocent people losing their lives.

I said it about that case early on, and we will have to see what is found out here.

 

[HellToupee]

I bet this guy played those violent video games or something

 

[dgreen]

#assaultweaponsban

Or allow military personnel to carry sidearms. We entrust these guys with ships, subs, and nuclear missiles. But not with sidearms?

Do you think there weren't any armed people around? Have you ever been there? There's armed security everywhere.

You've got a guy who had no business buying a gun doing so easily in a state with liberal gun laws and walking it onto a facility with dozens (hundreds?) of armed personnel and killing 12 people. There's no pro-gun argument to be had here. Just drop it.

When someone has no plan to get out alive, very little can be done to stop them. The "gun free zone" theory works best when the attacker actually wants to get away with it.

 

[dgreen]

How does one receive a General Discharge, have anger issues, multiple arrests involving firearms and receive clearance to work at a facility like this? Hell, this guy would get flagged on a background check applying for McDonalds fry cook.

How did Army Major Nidal Hassan also continue to work on base after receiving poor evaluations, being repeatedly transferred, and publicly expressing virulent anti-American views?

Answer: The fear of accusations of discrimination/racism by his superiors.

Political correctness isn't just stupid, it demonstrably results in innocent people losing their lives.

Nonsense. Most of those "fears" are simply excuses for managers to not have to do their job. Many use it as an excuse, but it rarely applies. It's hard work to discipline an employee and too many don't want to do what it takes.

 

[TobiasFunke]

#assaultweaponsban

Or allow military personnel to carry sidearms. We entrust these guys with ships, subs, and nuclear missiles. But not with sidearms?

Do you think there weren't any armed people around? Have you ever been there? There's armed security everywhere.

You've got a guy who had no business buying a gun doing so easily in a state with liberal gun laws and walking it onto a facility with dozens (hundreds?) of armed personnel and killing 12 people. There's no pro-gun argument to be had here. Just drop it.

When someone has no plan to get out alive, very little can be done to stop them. The "gun free zone" theory works best when the attacker actually wants to get away with it.

Yup. I think it's a dumb argument to make anyway for the reasons I mentioned above, but it certainly doesn't apply here.

Although it certainly pales in comparison to the mind-boggling stupidity of blaming affirmative action.

 

[Jewell]

How does one receive a General Discharge, have anger issues, multiple arrests involving firearms and receive clearance to work at a facility like this? Hell, this guy would get flagged on a background check applying for McDonalds fry cook.

How did Army Major Nidal Hassan also continue to work on base after receiving poor evaluations, being repeatedly transferred, and publicly expressing virulent anti-American views?

Answer: The fear of accusations of discrimination/racism by his superiors.

Political correctness isn't just stupid, it demonstrably results in innocent people losing their lives.

I said it about that case early on, and we will have to see what is found out here.

Driving to work this morning I was listening to talk radio and a man who claimed to be formerly in charge of approving low level security clearances for the federal government in DC called in. I can't vouch for the legitimacy of his statements, but this is what he said regarding problem areas of the low level security clearances:

First, he said that contractor clearances are problematic because they give the clearance to the contracted business. Its on that business more than the government to do an extensive background checks on their employees. Many businesses obviously fail to do this.

Second, he said that the federal government encouraged him to be more lenient in passing people in DC on their security clearance. Thats because, as he put it, DC has a high percentage of high school dropouts and people with arrest records who would not pass a standard security clearance. So, as to help lessen DC unemployment and since the above stated restrictions would have a disparate impact on certain DC populations, they would give clearances to candidates who may not have received them in other areas of the country.

 

[jon_mx]

How does one receive a General Discharge, have anger issues, multiple arrests involving firearms and receive clearance to work at a facility like this? Hell, this guy would get flagged on a background check applying for McDonalds fry cook.

How did Army Major Nidal Hassan also continue to work on base after receiving poor evaluations, being repeatedly transferred, and publicly expressing virulent anti-American views?

Answer: The fear of accusations of discrimination/racism by his superiors.

Political correctness isn't just stupid, it demonstrably results in innocent people losing their lives.

I said it about that case early on, and we will have to see what is found out here.

Driving to work this morning I was listening to talk radio and a man who claimed to be formerly in charge of approving low level security clearances for the federal government in DC called in. I can't vouch for the legitimacy of his statements, but this is what he said regarding problem areas of the low level security clearances:

First, he said that contractor clearances are problematic because they give the clearance to the contracted business. Its on that business more than the government to do an extensive background checks on their employees. Many businesses obviously fail to do this.

Second, he said that the federal government encouraged him to be more lenient in passing people in DC on their security clearance. Thats because, as he put it, DC has a high percentage of high school dropouts and people with arrest records who would not pass a standard security clearance. So, as to help lessen DC unemployment and since the above stated restrictions would have a disparate impact on certain DC populations, they would give clearances to candidates who may not have received them in other areas of the country.

There is no reason to doubt what he says. They probably have 1 million federal employees who get clearances and which have to be updated every 5 or 10 years. They are probably overwhelmed with just keeping up with government personal who it is more essential to be thorough with. I would not be surprised at all if contractor background checks are lax. There may be some PC issues involved too.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

#assaultweaponsban

Or allow military personnel to carry sidearms. We entrust these guys with ships, subs, and nuclear missiles. But not with sidearms?

Do you think there weren't any armed people around? Have you ever been there? There's armed security everywhere.

You've got a guy who had no business buying a gun doing so easily in a state with liberal gun laws and walking it onto a facility with dozens (hundreds?) of armed personnel and killing 12 people. There's no pro-gun argument to be had here. Just drop it.

If you are so confident there were plenty of "armed people around" why did 12 people die with 8 more injured? It's ignorant people like you that don't understand what a gun-free zone means, you make it sound like there is an armed person at every corner ready to shoot the bad guys.

1. Background checks didn't work (he passed one and he held a security clearance).

2. Gun-free zones didn't work (he was in a gun-free zone [military installation] within a gun-free zone [washington, dc])

3. Assault weapons bans didn't work (he started his attack with a gun that even Joe Biden recommends, a simple shotgun).

4. Magazine limits didn't help (he took standard-sized magazine from law enforcement).

You anti-gun nazis don't have a leg to stand on.

 

[FUBAR]

How does one receive a General Discharge, have anger issues, multiple arrests involving firearms and receive clearance to work at a facility like this? Hell, this guy would get flagged on a background check applying for McDonalds fry cook.

How did Army Major Nidal Hassan also continue to work on base after receiving poor evaluations, being repeatedly transferred, and publicly expressing virulent anti-American views?

Answer: The fear of accusations of discrimination/racism by his superiors.

Political correctness isn't just stupid, it demonstrably results in innocent people losing their lives.

I said it about that case early on, and we will have to see what is found out here.

Driving to work this morning I was listening to talk radio and a man who claimed to be formerly in charge of approving low level security clearances for the federal government in DC called in. I can't vouch for the legitimacy of his statements, but this is what he said regarding problem areas of the low level security clearances:First, he said that contractor clearances are problematic because they give the clearance to the contracted business. Its on that business more than the government to do an extensive background checks on their employees. Many businesses obviously fail to do this.

Second, he said that the federal government encouraged him to be more lenient in passing people in DC on their security clearance. Thats because, as he put it, DC has a high percentage of high school dropouts and people with arrest records who would not pass a standard security clearance. So, as to help lessen DC unemployment and since the above stated restrictions would have a disparate impact on certain DC populations, they would give clearances to candidates who may not have received them in other areas of the country.

There is no reason to doubt what he says. They probably have 1 million federal employees who get clearances and which have to be updated every 5 or 10 years. They are probably overwhelmed with just keeping up with government personal who it is more essential to be thorough with. I would not be surprised at all if contractor background checks are lax. There may be some PC issues involved too.

I work in a secured government building and "believe" it.

 

[NCCommish]

#assaultweaponsban

Or allow military personnel to carry sidearms. We entrust these guys with ships, subs, and nuclear missiles. But not with sidearms?

Do you think there weren't any armed people around? Have you ever been there? There's armed security everywhere.

You've got a guy who had no business buying a gun doing so easily in a state with liberal gun laws and walking it onto a facility with dozens (hundreds?) of armed personnel and killing 12 people. There's no pro-gun argument to be had here. Just drop it.

If you are so confident there were plenty of "armed people around" why did 12 people die with 8 more injured? It's ignorant people like you that don't understand what a gun-free zone means, you make it sound like there is an armed person at every corner ready to shoot the bad guys.

1. Background checks didn't work (he passed one and he held a security clearance).

2. Gun-free zones didn't work (he was in a gun-free zone [military installation] within a gun-free zone [washington, dc])

3. Assault weapons bans didn't work (he started his attack with a gun that even Joe Biden recommends, a simple shotgun).

4. Magazine limits didn't help (he took standard-sized magazine from law enforcement).

You anti-gun nazis don't have a leg to stand on.

You do realize this was a military base right? You do know armed people patrol all bases right? You do know gun free only referred to non-security people right? Dumb ###.

 

[FUBAR]

#assaultweaponsban

Or allow military personnel to carry sidearms. We entrust these guys with ships, subs, and nuclear missiles. But not with sidearms?

Do you think there weren't any armed people around? Have you ever been there? There's armed security everywhere.

You've got a guy who had no business buying a gun doing so easily in a state with liberal gun laws and walking it onto a facility with dozens (hundreds?) of armed personnel and killing 12 people. There's no pro-gun argument to be had here. Just drop it.

If you are so confident there were plenty of "armed people around" why did 12 people die with 8 more injured? It's ignorant people like you that don't understand what a gun-free zone means, you make it sound like there is an armed person at every corner ready to shoot the bad guys.1. Background checks didn't work (he passed one and he held a security clearance).

2. Gun-free zones didn't work (he was in a gun-free zone [military installation] within a gun-free zone [washington, dc])

3. Assault weapons bans didn't work (he started his attack with a gun that even Joe Biden recommends, a simple shotgun).

4. Magazine limits didn't help (he took standard-sized magazine from law enforcement).

You anti-gun nazis don't have a leg to stand on.

guarantee there were people with guns not too far away.

 

[Jewell]

Washington Navy Yard killer was a paranoid insomniac who 'heard voices in his head': Gunman begged to be treated for schizophrenia a month ago but Navy didn't take away his security clearance

Washington Naval Yard gunman Aaron Alexis suffered a host of serious mental illnesses prior to his shooting rampage on Monday that claimed the lives of 12 people U.S. law enforcement officials revealed today.


Alexis, 34, sought treatment at the Veterans Administration for paranoia, insomnia and possible schizophrenia in August - but despite his psychiatric problems the Navy had not declared him mentally unfit which would have rescinded his security clearance and impacted his ability to purchase firearms.

Speaking on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing criminal investigation, law enforcement officials said that Alexis' family were aware of his mental problems, which included hearing voices in his head.

Sources with the investigation into the mass shooting told CNN that Alexis had recently made contact with two Veterans Administration hospitals for his psychological issues.

In the past Alexis has previously claimed to be suffering from PTSD after helping rescue efforts in New York following the 9/11 terror attacks.

Gunman Aaron Alexis was shot dead by responding officers after he opened fire inside a Navy facility around 8:20 a.m. on Monday morning, killing 12 people aged 46-73.

It emerged today that he used three guns during the massacre, one of them an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle - the same weapon used in the Sandy Hook and Aurora mass shootings.

Sources told News4 in Washington D.C that surveillance footage showed that he began his attack with a shotgun, but was found with a 9mm pistol and an AR-15 assault rifle.

NBC News correspondent Pete Williams is reporting Alexis purchased a shotgun in Lorton, Virginia during the past week or so.

Alexis is assumed to have seized two firearms from two victims on the military base on the Anacostia River in Washington D.C.

He was killed in one of several running gun battles with police after he entered the Naval Sea Systems Command headquarters and started picking off victims in a cafeteria from a fourth-floor atrium, witnesses said.

This comes as it was claimed that Alexis was a 'hardcore drinker' who loved to play violent video games, a close friend revealed.

Nutpisit Suthamtewakul said on Monday that he had known Aaron Alexis for three years and that they were drinking buddies. Alexis worked at Suthamtewakul's Happy Bowl Thai restaurant in Fort Worth, Texas and for a time lived with the owner and his wife.

Friend Michael Ritrovato said that he had watched Alexis playing violent video games that involved shooting. Mr Suthamtewakul said that he would bring his friend food during gaming sessions that would last for hours.

Mr Ritrovato, a 50-year-old government worker and New York native, said that Alexis, an African-American, had complained to him that he was the victim of racial discrimination.

However Mr Suthamtewakul said that his friend was a recently-converted Buddhist who liked to meditate.

The Happy Bowl owner said that Alexis had moved out of his home around May after there was tension with Mr Suthamtewakul's wife over their pet cats.

He said he had not heard from Alexis in the weeks before the shooting and had believed he was flying to Japan as part of his government contractor job.

Ty Thairintr, a congregant at Wat Budsaya, a Buddhist temple in Fort Worth which Alexis would attend, said: 'We are all shocked. We are nonviolent. Aaron was a very good practitioner of Buddhism. He could chant better than even some of the Thai congregants.'

Thairintr said Alexis told him he was upset with the Navy because 'he thought he never got a promotion because of the color of his skin. He hated his commander'.

FULL: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2423409/Washington-Navy-Yard-killer-paranoid-insomniac-heard-voices-head-Gunman-begged-treated-schizophrenia-month-ago-Navy-didnt-away-security-clearance.html

 

[Sand]

#assaultweaponsban

Or allow military personnel to carry sidearms. We entrust these guys with ships, subs, and nuclear missiles. But not with sidearms?

Do you think there weren't any armed people around? Have you ever been there? There's armed security everywhere.

You've got a guy who had no business buying a gun doing so easily in a state with liberal gun laws and walking it onto a facility with dozens (hundreds?) of armed personnel and killing 12 people. There's no pro-gun argument to be had here. Just drop it.

As noted earlier in the thread I was there about 6 weeks ago. In fact, I ate at that food court. So, yes, I have firsthand knowledge of the security at the facility.

My comment stands.

 

[TobiasFunke]

#assaultweaponsban

Or allow military personnel to carry sidearms. We entrust these guys with ships, subs, and nuclear missiles. But not with sidearms?

Do you think there weren't any armed people around? Have you ever been there? There's armed security everywhere.

You've got a guy who had no business buying a gun doing so easily in a state with liberal gun laws and walking it onto a facility with dozens (hundreds?) of armed personnel and killing 12 people. There's no pro-gun argument to be had here. Just drop it.

If you are so confident there were plenty of "armed people around" why did 12 people die with 8 more injured? It's ignorant people like you that don't understand what a gun-free zone means, you make it sound like there is an armed person at every corner ready to shoot the bad guys.

1. Background checks didn't work (he passed one and he held a security clearance).

2. Gun-free zones didn't work (he was in a gun-free zone [military installation] within a gun-free zone [washington, dc])

3. Assault weapons bans didn't work (he started his attack with a gun that even Joe Biden recommends, a simple shotgun).

4. Magazine limits didn't help (he took standard-sized magazine from law enforcement).

You anti-gun nazis don't have a leg to stand on.

Are you kidding me with this crap?

First of all, I'm not an anti-gun nazi. In fact I'm mostly opposed to gun control. What I am is anti-idiot.

What I said was that this case pokes a gaping hole in the pro-gun argument about these things always happening in "gun free zones." The argument these idiots make is that shooters target them because they know they are less likely to be stopped by someone who is armed, and that if we just had more armed people everywhere these things would happen less or do less damage. This is a stupid argument to begin with, for the reasons I mentioned before. But it OBVIOUSLY doesn't apply on a complex, and a neighborhood that is armed to the teeth (there's marine barracks a couple blocks away, military housing across the street, and Capitol police everywhere because the Capitol complex is a mile away). It's a moronic argument to make here. If you were looking for a place to commit your crime where people wouldn't be armed, this would be one of the worst places you could possibly find. I couldn't believe anyone was making it. Of course, as I said people appear to be blaming affirmative action now, so maybe it's my fault for underestimating general stupidity.

And I don't know what the DC gun laws have to do with anything, but you should at least get your facts straight about them before you post- DC is not gun free. I also appreciate your filling me in on the details about the area- I mean I only lived there for a while and work less than a mile away. But sure, I'm the ignorant one.

 

[Fennis]

#assaultweaponsban

Or allow military personnel to carry sidearms. We entrust these guys with ships, subs, and nuclear missiles. But not with sidearms?

Do you think there weren't any armed people around? Have you ever been there? There's armed security everywhere.

You've got a guy who had no business buying a gun doing so easily in a state with liberal gun laws and walking it onto a facility with dozens (hundreds?) of armed personnel and killing 12 people. There's no pro-gun argument to be had here. Just drop it.

If you are so confident there were plenty of "armed people around" why did 12 people die with 8 more injured? It's ignorant people like you that don't understand what a gun-free zone means, you make it sound like there is an armed person at every corner ready to shoot the bad guys.

1. Background checks didn't work (he passed one and he held a security clearance).

2. Gun-free zones didn't work (he was in a gun-free zone [military installation] within a gun-free zone [washington, dc])

3. Assault weapons bans didn't work (he started his attack with a gun that even Joe Biden recommends, a simple shotgun).

4. Magazine limits didn't help (he took standard-sized magazine from law enforcement).

You anti-gun nazis don't have a leg to stand on.

theres not a single person that has ever argued that those 4 points will stop all gun crime.

 

[KCitons]

#assaultweaponsban

Or allow military personnel to carry sidearms. We entrust these guys with ships, subs, and nuclear missiles. But not with sidearms?

Do you think there weren't any armed people around? Have you ever been there? There's armed security everywhere.

You've got a guy who had no business buying a gun doing so easily in a state with liberal gun laws and walking it onto a facility with dozens (hundreds?) of armed personnel and killing 12 people. There's no pro-gun argument to be had here. Just drop it.

If you are so confident there were plenty of "armed people around" why did 12 people die with 8 more injured? It's ignorant people like you that don't understand what a gun-free zone means, you make it sound like there is an armed person at every corner ready to shoot the bad guys.1. Background checks didn't work (he passed one and he held a security clearance).

2. Gun-free zones didn't work (he was in a gun-free zone [military installation] within a gun-free zone [washington, dc])

3. Assault weapons bans didn't work (he started his attack with a gun that even Joe Biden recommends, a simple shotgun).

4. Magazine limits didn't help (he took standard-sized magazine from law enforcement).

You anti-gun nazis don't have a leg to stand on.

guarantee there were people with guns not too far away.

News reports had first shots fired at 8:11? And officers engaging the guy two minutes later. This wasn't the Metro police responding, it was the armed security force on property.

 

[dozer]

If only there were a few blind people with their seeing eye guns there.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

#assaultweaponsban

Or allow military personnel to carry sidearms. We entrust these guys with ships, subs, and nuclear missiles. But not with sidearms?

Do you think there weren't any armed people around? Have you ever been there? There's armed security everywhere.

You've got a guy who had no business buying a gun doing so easily in a state with liberal gun laws and walking it onto a facility with dozens (hundreds?) of armed personnel and killing 12 people. There's no pro-gun argument to be had here. Just drop it.

If you are so confident there were plenty of "armed people around" why did 12 people die with 8 more injured? It's ignorant people like you that don't understand what a gun-free zone means, you make it sound like there is an armed person at every corner ready to shoot the bad guys.

1. Background checks didn't work (he passed one and he held a security clearance).

2. Gun-free zones didn't work (he was in a gun-free zone [military installation] within a gun-free zone [washington, dc])

3. Assault weapons bans didn't work (he started his attack with a gun that even Joe Biden recommends, a simple shotgun).

4. Magazine limits didn't help (he took standard-sized magazine from law enforcement).

You anti-gun nazis don't have a leg to stand on.

Are you kidding me with this crap?

First of all, I'm not an anti-gun nazi. In fact I'm mostly opposed to gun control. What I am is anti-idiot.

What I said was that this case pokes a gaping hole in the pro-gun argument about these things always happening in "gun free zones." The argument these idiots make is that shooters target them because they know they are less likely to be stopped by someone who is armed, and that if we just had more armed people everywhere these things would happen less or do less damage. This is a stupid argument to begin with, for the reasons I mentioned before. But it OBVIOUSLY doesn't apply on a complex, and a neighborhood that is armed to the teeth (there's marine barracks a couple blocks away, military housing across the street, and Capitol police everywhere because the Capitol complex is a mile away). It's a moronic argument to make here. If you were looking for a place to commit your crime where people wouldn't be armed, this would be one of the worst places you could possibly find. I couldn't believe anyone was making it. Of course, as I said people appear to be blaming affirmative action now, so maybe it's my fault for underestimating general stupidity.

And I don't know what the DC gun laws have to do with anything, but you should at least get your facts straight about them before you post- DC is not gun free. I also appreciate your filling me in on the details about the area- I mean I only lived there for a while and work less than a mile away. But sure, I'm the ignorant one.

You are still ignorant in thinking these shooters are rational human beings that fear death. Their point is to cause as much damage as positive. Are you ignoring the posts by Sand that says he was there 6 weeks ago? Are you arguing if their policy was not as stringent in being a no carry zone that we would have had the same result? You do realize if they were allowed to carry:

1) There's a chance he never would have attempted what he did since he likely would have only have been able to get a few shots off instead of dozens.

2) Even if he still attempted his shooting spree there would be far fewer people dead.

You claim not to be anti-gun but you walk like duck, quack like a duck, and stink like a duck, and argue the points just as poorly as the anti-gun crowd since your head is clearly up your ### on the subject.

 

[TheIronSheik]

So it looks like pretty much any thread will start to turn into a politically charged debate around the page 3 mark. Good to know when to pull the rip cord, I guess.

 

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I hate to even pay lip service to the incredibly stupid "gun free zones" argument because (1) it assumes that these people are rational, and (2) the vast majority of public gathering places are gun free, so the odds are that most of these things will happen in one.

WAT?

I carry daily... I VERY rarely have to remove my sidearm due to a "Gun free zone". I carry in bars, restaurants, stores, work, my bank, when walking around downtown. The only time I have to lock up my pistol is on the very rare occasion when I go into a federally owned building.

Gun free zones are the exception, not the rule.

 

[TobiasFunke]

#assaultweaponsban

Or allow military personnel to carry sidearms. We entrust these guys with ships, subs, and nuclear missiles. But not with sidearms?

Do you think there weren't any armed people around? Have you ever been there? There's armed security everywhere.

You've got a guy who had no business buying a gun doing so easily in a state with liberal gun laws and walking it onto a facility with dozens (hundreds?) of armed personnel and killing 12 people. There's no pro-gun argument to be had here. Just drop it.

If you are so confident there were plenty of "armed people around" why did 12 people die with 8 more injured? It's ignorant people like you that don't understand what a gun-free zone means, you make it sound like there is an armed person at every corner ready to shoot the bad guys.

1. Background checks didn't work (he passed one and he held a security clearance).

2. Gun-free zones didn't work (he was in a gun-free zone [military installation] within a gun-free zone [washington, dc])

3. Assault weapons bans didn't work (he started his attack with a gun that even Joe Biden recommends, a simple shotgun).

4. Magazine limits didn't help (he took standard-sized magazine from law enforcement).

You anti-gun nazis don't have a leg to stand on.

Are you kidding me with this crap?

First of all, I'm not an anti-gun nazi. In fact I'm mostly opposed to gun control. What I am is anti-idiot.

What I said was that this case pokes a gaping hole in the pro-gun argument about these things always happening in "gun free zones." The argument these idiots make is that shooters target them because they know they are less likely to be stopped by someone who is armed, and that if we just had more armed people everywhere these things would happen less or do less damage. This is a stupid argument to begin with, for the reasons I mentioned before. But it OBVIOUSLY doesn't apply on a complex, and a neighborhood that is armed to the teeth (there's marine barracks a couple blocks away, military housing across the street, and Capitol police everywhere because the Capitol complex is a mile away). It's a moronic argument to make here. If you were looking for a place to commit your crime where people wouldn't be armed, this would be one of the worst places you could possibly find. I couldn't believe anyone was making it. Of course, as I said people appear to be blaming affirmative action now, so maybe it's my fault for underestimating general stupidity.

And I don't know what the DC gun laws have to do with anything, but you should at least get your facts straight about them before you post- DC is not gun free. I also appreciate your filling me in on the details about the area- I mean I only lived there for a while and work less than a mile away. But sure, I'm the ignorant one.

You are still ignorant in thinking these shooters are rational human beings that fear death. Their point is to cause as much damage as positive. Are you ignoring the posts by Sand that says he was there 6 weeks ago? Are you arguing if their policy was no stringent in being a no carry zone that we would have had the same result? You do realize if they were allowed to carry:

1) There's a chance he never would have attempted what he did since he likely would have only have been able to get a few shots off instead of dozens.

2) Even if he still attempted his shooting spree there would be far fewer people dead.

You claim not to be anti-gun but you walk like duck, quack like a duck, and stink like a duck, and argue the points just as poorly as the anti-gun crowd since your head is clearly up your ### on the subject.

Tell you what, genius. Show me one pro-gun control argument I made here.

Your argument that if there were armed civilian personnel on the site this may not have happened or would have resulted in fewer deaths is total nonsense. There were plenty of armed people around with a thousand times more training and skill with weapons then some poorly endowed middle-aged idiot who fancies himself a hero because he carries a concealed weapon to Hardees with him.

Again, I'm not making a pro-gun control argument. There's none to be made here IMO. I'm just saying stop making terrible arguments.

And yes, I saw Sand's post. If he's saying there's not a lot of armed personnel in that area, he's wrong.

 

[FUBAR]

#assaultweaponsban

Or allow military personnel to carry sidearms. We entrust these guys with ships, subs, and nuclear missiles. But not with sidearms?

Do you think there weren't any armed people around? Have you ever been there? There's armed security everywhere.

You've got a guy who had no business buying a gun doing so easily in a state with liberal gun laws and walking it onto a facility with dozens (hundreds?) of armed personnel and killing 12 people. There's no pro-gun argument to be had here. Just drop it.

As noted earlier in the thread I was there about 6 weeks ago. In fact, I ate at that food court. So, yes, I have firsthand knowledge of the security at the facility.

My comment stands.

Honestly, carrying a weapon on base is inconvenient. Maybe they should have security guards and MPs.

 

[TobiasFunke]

From this article:

The suspected gunman appeared to have seized firearms from two of his victims as he moved through the building along the Anacostia River in southeast Washington, where 3,000 Navy employees go to work each day, many of them carrying authorized firearms.

Sorry. Keep your head up; eventually you can find some way to blame this on liberals/Obama. Maybe go back to blaming political correctness?

 

[FUBAR]

#assaultweaponsban

Or allow military personnel to carry sidearms. We entrust these guys with ships, subs, and nuclear missiles. But not with sidearms?

Do you think there weren't any armed people around? Have you ever been there? There's armed security everywhere.

You've got a guy who had no business buying a gun doing so easily in a state with liberal gun laws and walking it onto a facility with dozens (hundreds?) of armed personnel and killing 12 people. There's no pro-gun argument to be had here. Just drop it.

As noted earlier in the thread I was there about 6 weeks ago. In fact, I ate at that food court. So, yes, I have firsthand knowledge of the security at the facility.

My comment stands.

Sand, you're a good dude but I doubt you have full knowledge of their security measures.

 

[Sand]

#assaultweaponsban

Or allow military personnel to carry sidearms. We entrust these guys with ships, subs, and nuclear missiles. But not with sidearms?

Do you think there weren't any armed people around? Have you ever been there? There's armed security everywhere.

You've got a guy who had no business buying a gun doing so easily in a state with liberal gun laws and walking it onto a facility with dozens (hundreds?) of armed personnel and killing 12 people. There's no pro-gun argument to be had here. Just drop it.

As noted earlier in the thread I was there about 6 weeks ago. In fact, I ate at that food court. So, yes, I have firsthand knowledge of the security at the facility.

My comment stands.

Honestly, carrying a weapon on base is inconvenient. Maybe they should have security guards and MPs.

Probably so.

I just don't see a reason from prohibiting trained, professional military officers from carrying sidearms on base.

 

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Not used to seeing thobias get this bent out of shape making so many personal attacks. Usually the guy is pretty rational but he's sorta going off the deep end ITT