Adam Dunn traded to Diamondbacks (1 Viewer)

[derek245583]

Developing story..

 

[blackjack23]

1:41pm: Ken Rosenthal does not agree with Gambadoro's report. Rosenthal says the D'Backs won a waiver claim on Dunn but could not complete a deal before the window expired today.

 

[derek245583]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3529966

 

[Jene Bramel]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3529966

Hmm. Dallas Buck (+ two other prospects of undetermined value) > two draft picks including signing bonuses > Dunn?Let's hope so.

 

[derek245583]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3529966

Hmm. Dallas Buck (+ two other prospects of undetermined value) > two draft picks including signing bonuses > Dunn?Let's hope so.

When they traded Griffey, I was all for resigning Dunn. Now, I am not sure what is going on in Walt's mind.Any homers know anything about Dallas Buck?

 

[Knightro]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3529966

Hmm. Dallas Buck (+ two other prospects of undetermined value) > two draft picks including signing bonuses > Dunn?Let's hope so.

When they traded Griffey, I was all for resigning Dunn. Now, I am not sure what is going on in Walt's mind.Any homers know anything about Dallas Buck?

Buck is recovering from his TJ surgery last year. He was drafted off the Oregon State WS champs knowing he'd likely need elbow surgery which dropped him to the 3rd round.Maybe they were afraid Dunn would accept arbitration. Unless those PTBNL (cannot be anyone on the 25 man roster) are decent, this is not a great deal in my book.

 

[On The Rocks]

I would give anything to have Josh Hamilton back - and build the team around him. Of course the line of thinking there was Kriv Dawg didn't want to gamble on a relapse by Hamilton.

 

[cheese]

What are the odds that the Reds just resign him this offseason?

I wouldn't be shocked if the Reds aren't impressed with their options to spend the available money on and Dunn also isn't happy with the offers he gets as a FA. We will see...

Either way, hard to evaluate this deal without knowing the prospects.

 

[Bogart]

Hamilton, Griffey and Dunn gone. Is there enough room in the OF for Bruce now??

 

[Dusty Rhodes]

Someone explain the trading deadline that just passed to me like I'm mr. furley.

Why have a deadline if they can continue to trade?

 

[Limp Ditka]

Someone explain the trading deadline that just passed to me like I'm mr. furley.Why have a deadline if they can continue to trade?

Long story shortThat's the non-waiver deadline. Players do not have to be put on waivers, in order to be traded, before August 1st.Once it's August 1st, a player must be put on waivers, giving every team, from worst record to best record in that player's league, a chance to make a claim on him, then through the other league in the same fashion.Once a player is claimed, the player's original team then has the option of working out a trade with the claiming team in 48 hours or take him back and keep him as part of their team.

 

[PatriotJohn]

The trade deadline that passed was one in which clubs could freely trade players without having them go through waivers. Right now, either Dunn went thru waivers without being claimed, or they were claimed by the DBacks first. Any player traded after Aug. 1st has to go through the waiver process first, meaning any club can have dibs on anyone if they want to trade for them and their contract.

 

[Knightro]

Hamilton, Griffey and Dunn gone. Is there enough room in the OF for Bruce now??

No, I must play Corey PattersonSigned,Dusty Baker.

 

[jafo]

F the reds.

 

[Statorama]

F the reds.

Freds?

 

[Dusty Rhodes]

Someone explain the trading deadline that just passed to me like I'm mr. furley.Why have a deadline if they can continue to trade?

Long story shortThat's the non-waiver deadline. Players do not have to be put on waivers, in order to be traded, before August 1st.Once it's August 1st, a player must be put on waivers, giving every team, from worst record to best record in that player's league, a chance to make a claim on him, then through the other league in the same fashion.Once a player is claimed, the player's original team then has the option of working out a trade with the claiming team in 48 hours or take him back and keep him as part of their team.

Interesting. Thanks for the info.So most teams must have something worked out ahead of time when they put a player on waivers.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Someone explain the trading deadline that just passed to me like I'm mr. furley.Why have a deadline if they can continue to trade?

Long story shortThat's the non-waiver deadline. Players do not have to be put on waivers, in order to be traded, before August 1st.Once it's August 1st, a player must be put on waivers, giving every team, from worst record to best record in that player's league, a chance to make a claim on him, then through the other league in the same fashion.Once a player is claimed, the player's original team then has the option of working out a trade with the claiming team in 48 hours or take him back and keep him as part of their team.

Interesting. Thanks for the info.So most teams must have something worked out ahead of time when they put a player on waivers.

No not really. Most teams put three to seven players or so through waivers just to gage interest in a certain player after August 1st. If someone claims them then the two teams try to work out a deal. Diamondbacks claimed Dunn and they worked out a deal, same with Brian Giles but Giles didn't want to leave SD. It's kind of a fishing expedition for teams to try and shed contracts and to see what a player might be worth in the off-season if teams inquire even if they don't put a claim in. I'm hoping someone will claim Gary Sheffield who probably was put through by the Tigers but I doubt it.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Someone explain the trading deadline that just passed to me like I'm mr. furley.Why have a deadline if they can continue to trade?

Long story shortThat's the non-waiver deadline. Players do not have to be put on waivers, in order to be traded, before August 1st.Once it's August 1st, a player must be put on waivers, giving every team, from worst record to best record in that player's league, a chance to make a claim on him, then through the other league in the same fashion.Once a player is claimed, the player's original team then has the option of working out a trade with the claiming team in 48 hours or take him back and keep him as part of their team.

Interesting. Thanks for the info.So most teams must have something worked out ahead of time when they put a player on waivers.

No not really. Most teams put three to seven players or so through waivers just to gage interest in a certain player after August 1st. If someone claims them then the two teams try to work out a deal. Diamondbacks claimed Dunn and they worked out a deal, same with Brian Giles but Giles didn't want to leave SD. It's kind of a fishing expedition for teams to try and shed contracts and to see what a player might be worth in the off-season if teams inquire even if they don't put a claim in. I'm hoping someone will claim Gary Sheffield who probably was put through by the Tigers but I doubt it.

Am I right in this......A team putting a player on waivers can also ask for no compensation and basically saddle the claiming team with the players contract, correct?I seem to remember this happening with Randy Myers a couple, ten years ago. Ddin't he have like 2 years at $10M or so left on his contract and someone claimed him to block another team from getting him.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Someone explain the trading deadline that just passed to me like I'm mr. furley.Why have a deadline if they can continue to trade?

Long story shortThat's the non-waiver deadline. Players do not have to be put on waivers, in order to be traded, before August 1st.Once it's August 1st, a player must be put on waivers, giving every team, from worst record to best record in that player's league, a chance to make a claim on him, then through the other league in the same fashion.Once a player is claimed, the player's original team then has the option of working out a trade with the claiming team in 48 hours or take him back and keep him as part of their team.

Interesting. Thanks for the info.So most teams must have something worked out ahead of time when they put a player on waivers.

No not really. Most teams put three to seven players or so through waivers just to gage interest in a certain player after August 1st. If someone claims them then the two teams try to work out a deal. Diamondbacks claimed Dunn and they worked out a deal, same with Brian Giles but Giles didn't want to leave SD. It's kind of a fishing expedition for teams to try and shed contracts and to see what a player might be worth in the off-season if teams inquire even if they don't put a claim in. I'm hoping someone will claim Gary Sheffield who probably was put through by the Tigers but I doubt it.

Am I right in this......A team putting a player on waivers can also ask for no compensation and basically saddle the claiming team with the players contract, correct?I seem to remember this happening with Randy Myers a couple, ten years ago. Ddin't he have like 2 years at $10M or so left on his contract and someone claimed him to block another team from getting him.

Just found the answerGB the innerwebs, from wiki.

The Padres' 1998 waiver claim of Myers is considered one of the biggest blunders in the history of the waiver wire. The Padres did not want Myers, mostly because of the $12 million and 2 additional years remaining on his contract as well as the fact that they already had an established closer in Trevor Hoffman, but placed a waiver claim in order to prevent him from going to the rival Atlanta Braves. They expected the Blue Jays to rescind their waiver claim, but the Blue Jays instead allowed the waiver claim to go through, leaving them responsible for the rest of his contract.[2]

 

[Capella]

I'm hoping someone will claim Gary Sheffield who probably was put through by the Tigers but I doubt it.

Rumor is this is being worked on now with the Rays.Detroit is going to have to eat the assend of that contract, fo' sho.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I'm hoping someone will claim Gary Sheffield who probably was put through by the Tigers but I doubt it.

Rumor is this is being worked on now with the Rays.Detroit is going to have to eat the assend of that contract, fo' sho.

Good source on that info? Let me know what you are hearing when something comes over the wire. Thanks.

 

[Capella]

I'm hoping someone will claim Gary Sheffield who probably was put through by the Tigers but I doubt it.

Rumor is this is being worked on now with the Rays.Detroit is going to have to eat the assend of that contract, fo' sho.

Good source on that info? Let me know what you are hearing when something comes over the wire. Thanks.

ESPNews mentioned it and draysbay.com

 

[Knightro]

I'm hoping someone will claim Gary Sheffield who probably was put through by the Tigers but I doubt it.

Rumor is this is being worked on now with the Rays.Detroit is going to have to eat the assend of that contract, fo' sho.

I don't want Sheff even if the Tiggers are paying 99% of his contract. He's toast without the cream. His bat is slow, and he is way past his prime. He's hitting more than half of his balls in play on the ground now and his line drive percentages are in the low teens - way off course from what he has done in the past. This is what happened to 39 yr old sluggers in years past before the hGH and roids.

 

[Capella]

I hope they don't go for it either knightro. Would be shocked if they did.

No idea whose wife Ruggiano ####ed but he's getting a bad deal here.

 

[Knightro]

I hope they don't go for it either knightro. Would be shocked if they did.No idea whose wife Ruggiano ####ed but he's getting a bad deal here.

Attitude issue in AAA from what I hear

 

[wilked]

Reds are such a bad organization.

I can think of absolutely zero reasons why they wouldnt have been better off dealing him at the break as opposed to now. Not only did they limit the teams they could work with (basically limiting to one or two, the teams with the lowest record(s) to put in a claim for him), they also had to deal him in the midst of an awful slump.

Awful mangement

 

[dparker713]

I would give anything to have Josh Hamilton back - and build the team around him. Of course the line of thinking there was Kriv Dawg didn't want to gamble on a relapse by Hamilton.

You act like they got dogmeat back in the Hamilton trade.

 

[On The Rocks]

I would give anything to have Josh Hamilton back - and build the team around him. Of course the line of thinking there was Kriv Dawg didn't want to gamble on a relapse by Hamilton.

You act like they got dogmeat back in the Hamilton trade.

no..not at all. I like EV a lot, I just really enjoy watching Hamilton. The Reds have never had a problem putting quality OF's on the field...I am hoping they can use some of the Griffey/Dunn salary to bring in some additional talent to pitch next season.

 

[shuke]

Reds are such a bad organization.I can think of absolutely zero reasons why they wouldnt have been better off dealing him at the break as opposed to now. Not only did they limit the teams they could work with (basically limiting to one or two, the teams with the lowest record(s) to put in a claim for him), they also had to deal him in the midst of an awful slump. Awful mangement

You don't think they shopped him? The fact that he made it all the way to the Diamondbacks on waivers should tell you something.

 

[wilked]

Reds are such a bad organization.I can think of absolutely zero reasons why they wouldnt have been better off dealing him at the break as opposed to now. Not only did they limit the teams they could work with (basically limiting to one or two, the teams with the lowest record(s) to put in a claim for him), they also had to deal him in the midst of an awful slump. Awful mangement

You don't think they shopped him? The fact that he made it all the way to the Diamondbacks on waivers should tell you something.

lmao at 'all the way'.You mean the Pirates didn't want him?!??!? The DBacks are the first team in the waiver list with a winning record dude. The only reason to take on his contract would be if you were within fighting distance of the playoffs. The only team ahead of them who might have considered it is the Dodgers, and let's just say they don't need another outfielder.They misplayed their hand, and badly

 

[Capella]

I mentioned this to fasteddie (-fe) two weeks ago at the deadline when he said he wanted three premier prospects for Dunn -- it was a dead market for him. He sucks with RISP, is a slug in the field and strikes out waaaay too much for people who care about that.

 

[whoknew]

I'm hoping someone will claim Gary Sheffield who probably was put through by the Tigers but I doubt it.

Rumor is this is being worked on now with the Rays.Detroit is going to have to eat the assend of that contract, fo' sho.

Good source on that info? Let me know what you are hearing when something comes over the wire. Thanks.

ESPNews mentioned it and draysbay.com

From Gammons:The Rays, in the meantime, were contacted by the Tigers to see if they had any interest in trading for Gary Sheffield -- and despite some ownership curiousity -- the baseball side was too worried about Sheffield's physical problems, despite his ferocious presence."He's been fighting through too many shoulder problems," says one GM. Detroit ownership wants to move Sheffield.

 

[finnmaccoul]

we aready have a Dunn....he plays 3rd Mark Reynolds

 

[shuke]

Reds are such a bad organization.I can think of absolutely zero reasons why they wouldnt have been better off dealing him at the break as opposed to now. Not only did they limit the teams they could work with (basically limiting to one or two, the teams with the lowest record(s) to put in a claim for him), they also had to deal him in the midst of an awful slump. Awful mangement

You don't think they shopped him? The fact that he made it all the way to the Diamondbacks on waivers should tell you something.

lmao at 'all the way'.You mean the Pirates didn't want him?!??!? The DBacks are the first team in the waiver list with a winning record dude. The only reason to take on his contract would be if you were within fighting distance of the playoffs. The only team ahead of them who might have considered it is the Dodgers, and let's just say they don't need another outfielder.They misplayed their hand, and badly

Again, I'm not sure how they "misplayed" it. You think they wanted to wait until after the non-waiver deadline to unload him?Oh wait, you're a Red Sox fan, you must know everything about baseball.

 

[curta269]

Reds are such a bad organization.I can think of absolutely zero reasons why they wouldnt have been better off dealing him at the break as opposed to now. Not only did they limit the teams they could work with (basically limiting to one or two, the teams with the lowest record(s) to put in a claim for him), they also had to deal him in the midst of an awful slump. Awful mangement

You don't think they shopped him? The fact that he made it all the way to the Diamondbacks on waivers should tell you something.

lmao at 'all the way'.You mean the Pirates didn't want him?!??!? The DBacks are the first team in the waiver list with a winning record dude. The only reason to take on his contract would be if you were within fighting distance of the playoffs. The only team ahead of them who might have considered it is the Dodgers, and let's just say they don't need another outfielder.They misplayed their hand, and badly

Again, I'm not sure how they "misplayed" it. You think they wanted to wait until after the non-waiver deadline to unload him?Oh wait, you're a Red Sox fan, you must know everything about baseball.

Dunn makes $13 million a year, and he is hitting .230. He is a LF who is below average defensively. How many teams would want him? I do not think Jocketty really wanted him back next year, so he traded him for some prospects. Jocketty is a smart GM. If anyone can turn the Reds around, it will be him. Plus, with Dunn and Jr. gone, they have an extra $29 million to spend on free agents for next season.

 

[Capella]

Reds are such a bad organization.I can think of absolutely zero reasons why they wouldnt have been better off dealing him at the break as opposed to now. Not only did they limit the teams they could work with (basically limiting to one or two, the teams with the lowest record(s) to put in a claim for him), they also had to deal him in the midst of an awful slump. Awful mangement

You don't think they shopped him? The fact that he made it all the way to the Diamondbacks on waivers should tell you something.

lmao at 'all the way'.You mean the Pirates didn't want him?!??!? The DBacks are the first team in the waiver list with a winning record dude. The only reason to take on his contract would be if you were within fighting distance of the playoffs. The only team ahead of them who might have considered it is the Dodgers, and let's just say they don't need another outfielder.They misplayed their hand, and badly

Again, I'm not sure how they "misplayed" it. You think they wanted to wait until after the non-waiver deadline to unload him?Oh wait, you're a Red Sox fan, you must know everything about baseball.

Just guessing here, but I'd bet the Reds went to Dunn after the trade deadline and proposed an extension. When he shot them down, they moved him.

 

[Knightro]

Reds are such a bad organization.I can think of absolutely zero reasons why they wouldnt have been better off dealing him at the break as opposed to now. Not only did they limit the teams they could work with (basically limiting to one or two, the teams with the lowest record(s) to put in a claim for him), they also had to deal him in the midst of an awful slump. Awful mangement

You don't think they shopped him? The fact that he made it all the way to the Diamondbacks on waivers should tell you something.

lmao at 'all the way'.You mean the Pirates didn't want him?!??!? The DBacks are the first team in the waiver list with a winning record dude. The only reason to take on his contract would be if you were within fighting distance of the playoffs. The only team ahead of them who might have considered it is the Dodgers, and let's just say they don't need another outfielder.They misplayed their hand, and badly

Again, I'm not sure how they "misplayed" it. You think they wanted to wait until after the non-waiver deadline to unload him?Oh wait, you're a Red Sox fan, you must know everything about baseball.

Dunn makes $13 million a year, and he is hitting .230. He is a LF who is below average defensively. How many teams would want him? I do not think Jocketty really wanted him back next year, so he traded him for some prospects. Jocketty is a smart GM. If anyone can turn the Reds around, it will be him. Plus, with Dunn and Jr. gone, they have an extra $29 million to spend on free agents for next season.

and they saved more money because they don't have to risk having Dunn accept arbitration, and don't have to worry about signing bonuses for 3 1st round picks next year (their own pick plus the 2 they would have received from whoever signed Dunn after he declined the Reds arbitration).Reds pitchers have to be happy but I worry about Haren and Webb for any fly ball hit toward Dunn is an adventure

 

[MAC_32]

we aready have a Dunn....he plays 3rd Mark Reynolds

Dunn's OBP 373 OPS 900Reynolds' OBP 324 OPS 815FAIL.Let the masses keep downgrading Dunn because of his average, you're going to keep being wrong but keep doing it anyway. Until there's a difference between a single and a walk I'll look at his OBP and OPS in (correctly) evaluating him.

 

[On The Rocks]

John Fay has a good explaination for the whole Trade/Waiver/Deadline stuff:

John Fay on the Dunn Trade

If the trade deadline was July 31, then how were the Reds able to trade Adam Dunn on Aug. 11?

The answer: July 31 is the "non-waiver" trade deadline.

After that deadline, teams can still trade players, but they must do so using the waiver process. Players who are put on waivers must stay there for 47 business hours. Any team can submit a claim during that time for the player, who may not even know they are on waivers.

That's what happened with Dunn. He was placed on trade waivers and claimed by several teams, including the Arizona Diamondbacks, said Reds assistant general manager Bob Miller .

Arizona had first rights because it had the worst record of the teams claiming Dunn.

The teams then had two days to reach a deal. Had no deal been reached, the Reds could have pulled Dunn back off waivers. He then could not have been placed on waivers for another 30 days.

"Most teams put on almost everyone they have on trade waivers," Miller said. "It's sort of like fishing. You throw bait in the water. That's the only way I can explain. Teams claim players. Teams block to try to keep someone away from somebody else."

The Reds could have kept Dunn for the rest of the year and gotten draft picks had he left the team as a free agent.

But in order for that to happen, the Reds would have had to offer Dunn arbitration. In that instance, Dunn could have accepted the Reds' offer and he would have been back on the roster, and eligible for a big one-year contract.

Miller said the Dunn trade to Arizona was preferable because the Reds got the players they wanted.

"We felt this was a good deal," Miller said. "We got three quality players."

--> Bolded part.

 

[curta269]

One more thing about Dunn and the Reds. Dunn will be a free agent at the end of the season. The Reds could sign him. Then, they will have gained 3 prospects for loaning Dunn out for 2 months, and then saved 2 months of his salary from this season.

 

[fasteddie_21]

As a huge Reds fans, let me clear some things up:

1 - The rumored return for Dunn, if true, is an absolute HAUL: Dallas Buck (coming off of TJ, but an extreme ground ball pitcher, which the Reds need), Micah Owings (shoulder stiffness and regressed this year, but couple him w/ Harang, Volquez, Cueto, Arroyo, that's a solid rotation), and Jarrod Parker, the D-backs #1 pick from last year (can't be traded until Aug 15). Again, the last two are rumored to be the ones, but we shall see. If so, the Reds got what they wanted from TB - 3 great prospects, one of which is ML ready.

2 - The Reds do not now have an extra $29M to spend this off-season. A lot of guys are getting significant raises, so the real number falls to @ $13M. Not to mention the FA market this off-season is pretty sad.

3- The Reds now have 4 (maybe 3) huge holes to fill now: C, SS, CF, LF. Chris Dickerson should play every day til the end of the season so the Reds can find out if he can be an everyday CF'er. He has A+ defense and + speed, but his bat is the question. If he can have an OBP of .375, they have an in-house replacement for CF. The Reds absolutely have to trade for a catcher and a LF'er. I assume they try to land one of the 'big-3' catchers in Texas (Salty, Ramirez, Teagarden) with some of their surplus pitching at AAA (Bailey, Maloney, Thompson). And if the Reds are smart, they move BP over from 2B to SS and try to land Orlando Hudson to man 2B and give the Reds the best defensive team in the NL up the middle. LF, well, they need to find a big RH bat and I have no damn clue where that's coming from...Unless they move EdE from 3B to LF, but who do they replace 3B with? Dunno there...

I was against losing Dunn as his offense is too important to this team (40 HR, 100RBI, 100 BB's, .900 OPS), but if that return ends up being true, way to go, Walt!!!

 

[wilked]

Just guessing here, but I'd bet the Reds went to Dunn after the trade deadline and proposed an extension. When he shot them down, they moved him.

Good point, they probably didn't have his cellphone to discuss extensions before the trade deadline...

 

[wilked]

shuke, you seem to be missing a big point here -

before the trade deadline, they are able to trade with the entire league. Any team. They are able to leverage one team against the other, shop around, etc

After the DBacks made their waiver claim, they effectively have to deal him to the DBacks or eat his salary. Those are the options.

I wonder which position is more preferable?

 

[Capella]

Just guessing here, but I'd bet the Reds went to Dunn after the trade deadline and proposed an extension. When he shot them down, they moved him.

Good point, they probably didn't have his cellphone to discuss extensions before the trade deadline...

Honestly between your teenage 'lolmarte' posts and your other insightful gammons-esque comments "rays going to miss longoria..." you have to be the most worthless poster over here. No wonder doctor detroit is always lighting you up.

 

[shuke]

shuke, you seem to be missing a big point here - before the trade deadline, they are able to trade with the entire league. Any team. They are able to leverage one team against the other, shop around, etcAfter the DBacks made their waiver claim, they effectively have to deal him to the DBacks or eat his salary. Those are the options. I wonder which position is more preferable?

Yea, I'm sure they weren't aware of these rules.I think you're the one missing a big point here, in that they were most probably shopping him before the deadline, but didn't have any takers.

 

[shuke]

As a huge Reds fans, let me clear some things up:1 - The rumored return for Dunn, if true, is an absolute HAUL: Dallas Buck (coming off of TJ, but an extreme ground ball pitcher, which the Reds need), Micah Owings (shoulder stiffness and regressed this year, but couple him w/ Harang, Volquez, Cueto, Arroyo, that's a solid rotation), and Jarrod Parker, the D-backs #1 pick from last year (can't be traded until Aug 15). Again, the last two are rumored to be the ones, but we shall see. If so, the Reds got what they wanted from TB - 3 great prospects, one of which is ML ready.2 - The Reds do not now have an extra $29M to spend this off-season. A lot of guys are getting significant raises, so the real number falls to @ $13M. Not to mention the FA market this off-season is pretty sad.3- The Reds now have 4 (maybe 3) huge holes to fill now: C, SS, CF, LF. Chris Dickerson should play every day til the end of the season so the Reds can find out if he can be an everyday CF'er. He has A+ defense and + speed, but his bat is the question. If he can have an OBP of .375, they have an in-house replacement for CF. The Reds absolutely have to trade for a catcher and a LF'er. I assume they try to land one of the 'big-3' catchers in Texas (Salty, Ramirez, Teagarden) with some of their surplus pitching at AAA (Bailey, Maloney, Thompson). And if the Reds are smart, they move BP over from 2B to SS and try to land Orlando Hudson to man 2B and give the Reds the best defensive team in the NL up the middle. LF, well, they need to find a big RH bat and I have no damn clue where that's coming from...Unless they move EdE from 3B to LF, but who do they replace 3B with? Dunno there...I was against losing Dunn as his offense is too important to this team (40 HR, 100RBI, 100 BB's, .900 OPS), but if that return ends up being true, way to go, Walt!!!

I give no credence to these rumors of Dunn returning. Not happening.I like getting Owings. Hell, his offensive numbers are probably better than Dunn's.

 

[wilked]

Just guessing here, but I'd bet the Reds went to Dunn after the trade deadline and proposed an extension. When he shot them down, they moved him.

Good point, they probably didn't have his cellphone to discuss extensions before the trade deadline...

Honestly between your teenage 'lolmarte' posts and your other insightful gammons-esque comments "rays going to miss longoria..." you have to be the most worthless poster over here. No wonder doctor detroit is always lighting you up.

as long as you are being honest...

 

[wilked]

shuke, you seem to be missing a big point here - before the trade deadline, they are able to trade with the entire league. Any team. They are able to leverage one team against the other, shop around, etcAfter the DBacks made their waiver claim, they effectively have to deal him to the DBacks or eat his salary. Those are the options. I wonder which position is more preferable?

Yea, I'm sure they weren't aware of these rules.I think you're the one missing a big point here, in that they were most probably shopping him before the deadline, but didn't have any takers.

So the DBacks didn't want him 2 weeks ago?It is not that they didn't have any takers, plenty of people wanted Dunn I am sure. It is that they overplayed their hand. I have a very hard time believing that Zona increased their offer from the deadline to now, when they greatly increased their leverage. I am surprised you can't see this. Anyway, this debate has reached full circle, so perhaps we just agree to disagree.

 

[cheese]

As a huge Reds fans, let me clear some things up:

1 - The rumored return for Dunn, if true, is an absolute HAUL: Dallas Buck (coming off of TJ, but an extreme ground ball pitcher, which the Reds need), Micah Owings (shoulder stiffness and regressed this year, but couple him w/ Harang, Volquez, Cueto, Arroyo, that's a solid rotation), and Jarrod Parker, the D-backs #1 pick from last year (can't be traded until Aug 15). Again, the last two are rumored to be the ones, but we shall see. If so, the Reds got what they wanted from TB - 3 great prospects, one of which is ML ready.

2 - The Reds do not now have an extra $29M to spend this off-season. A lot of guys are getting significant raises, so the real number falls to @ $13M. Not to mention the FA market this off-season is pretty sad.

3- The Reds now have 4 (maybe 3) huge holes to fill now: C, SS, CF, LF. Chris Dickerson should play every day til the end of the season so the Reds can find out if he can be an everyday CF'er. He has A+ defense and + speed, but his bat is the question. If he can have an OBP of .375, they have an in-house replacement for CF. The Reds absolutely have to trade for a catcher and a LF'er. I assume they try to land one of the 'big-3' catchers in Texas (Salty, Ramirez, Teagarden) with some of their surplus pitching at AAA (Bailey, Maloney, Thompson). And if the Reds are smart, they move BP over from 2B to SS and try to land Orlando Hudson to man 2B and give the Reds the best defensive team in the NL up the middle. LF, well, they need to find a big RH bat and I have no damn clue where that's coming from...Unless they move EdE from 3B to LF, but who do they replace 3B with? Dunno there...

I was against losing Dunn as his offense is too important to this team (40 HR, 100RBI, 100 BB's, .900 OPS), but if that return ends up being true, way to go, Walt!!!

I would be shocked if Parker is a piece of this deal. Last I heard, it was probably going to be Buck, Owings, and Wilkin Castillo. Still, I agree that they actually got something pretty decent here. Definitely better than the 2 draft picks they would've gotten which has to be the measuring stick IMO.

 

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As a huge Reds fans, let me clear some things up:1 - The rumored return for Dunn, if true, is an absolute HAUL: Dallas Buck (coming off of TJ, but an extreme ground ball pitcher, which the Reds need), Micah Owings (shoulder stiffness and regressed this year, but couple him w/ Harang, Volquez, Cueto, Arroyo, that's a solid rotation), and Jarrod Parker, the D-backs #1 pick from last year (can't be traded until Aug 15). Again, the last two are rumored to be the ones, but we shall see. If so, the Reds got what they wanted from TB - 3 great prospects, one of which is ML ready.2 - The Reds do not now have an extra $29M to spend this off-season. A lot of guys are getting significant raises, so the real number falls to @ $13M. Not to mention the FA market this off-season is pretty sad.3- The Reds now have 4 (maybe 3) huge holes to fill now: C, SS, CF, LF. Chris Dickerson should play every day til the end of the season so the Reds can find out if he can be an everyday CF'er. He has A+ defense and + speed, but his bat is the question. If he can have an OBP of .375, they have an in-house replacement for CF. The Reds absolutely have to trade for a catcher and a LF'er. I assume they try to land one of the 'big-3' catchers in Texas (Salty, Ramirez, Teagarden) with some of their surplus pitching at AAA (Bailey, Maloney, Thompson). And if the Reds are smart, they move BP over from 2B to SS and try to land Orlando Hudson to man 2B and give the Reds the best defensive team in the NL up the middle. LF, well, they need to find a big RH bat and I have no damn clue where that's coming from...Unless they move EdE from 3B to LF, but who do they replace 3B with? Dunno there...I was against losing Dunn as his offense is too important to this team (40 HR, 100RBI, 100 BB's, .900 OPS), but if that return ends up being true, way to go, Walt!!!

I give no credence to these rumors of Dunn returning. Not happening.I like getting Owings. Hell, his offensive numbers are probably better than Dunn's.

Owings sports a better bat than a guy that continually puts up 900+ OPS numbers? Never have and never will understand the hate Dunn gets, Prince Fielder gets praised for offering production that's little different from Dunn's. Makes no sense.