Adam Dunn traded to Diamondbacks (1 Viewer)

[shuke]

As a huge Reds fans, let me clear some things up:1 - The rumored return for Dunn, if true, is an absolute HAUL: Dallas Buck (coming off of TJ, but an extreme ground ball pitcher, which the Reds need), Micah Owings (shoulder stiffness and regressed this year, but couple him w/ Harang, Volquez, Cueto, Arroyo, that's a solid rotation), and Jarrod Parker, the D-backs #1 pick from last year (can't be traded until Aug 15). Again, the last two are rumored to be the ones, but we shall see. If so, the Reds got what they wanted from TB - 3 great prospects, one of which is ML ready.2 - The Reds do not now have an extra $29M to spend this off-season. A lot of guys are getting significant raises, so the real number falls to @ $13M. Not to mention the FA market this off-season is pretty sad.3- The Reds now have 4 (maybe 3) huge holes to fill now: C, SS, CF, LF. Chris Dickerson should play every day til the end of the season so the Reds can find out if he can be an everyday CF'er. He has A+ defense and + speed, but his bat is the question. If he can have an OBP of .375, they have an in-house replacement for CF. The Reds absolutely have to trade for a catcher and a LF'er. I assume they try to land one of the 'big-3' catchers in Texas (Salty, Ramirez, Teagarden) with some of their surplus pitching at AAA (Bailey, Maloney, Thompson). And if the Reds are smart, they move BP over from 2B to SS and try to land Orlando Hudson to man 2B and give the Reds the best defensive team in the NL up the middle. LF, well, they need to find a big RH bat and I have no damn clue where that's coming from...Unless they move EdE from 3B to LF, but who do they replace 3B with? Dunno there...I was against losing Dunn as his offense is too important to this team (40 HR, 100RBI, 100 BB's, .900 OPS), but if that return ends up being true, way to go, Walt!!!

I give no credence to these rumors of Dunn returning. Not happening.I like getting Owings. Hell, his offensive numbers are probably better than Dunn's.

Owings sports a better bat than a guy that continually puts up 900+ OPS numbers? Never have and never will understand the hate Dunn gets, Prince Fielder gets praised for offering production that's little different from Dunn's. Makes no sense.

 

[MrPhoenix]

As a huge Reds fans, let me clear some things up:1 - The rumored return for Dunn, if true, is an absolute HAUL: Dallas Buck (coming off of TJ, but an extreme ground ball pitcher, which the Reds need), Micah Owings (shoulder stiffness and regressed this year, but couple him w/ Harang, Volquez, Cueto, Arroyo, that's a solid rotation), and Jarrod Parker, the D-backs #1 pick from last year (can't be traded until Aug 15). Again, the last two are rumored to be the ones, but we shall see. If so, the Reds got what they wanted from TB - 3 great prospects, one of which is ML ready.2 - The Reds do not now have an extra $29M to spend this off-season. A lot of guys are getting significant raises, so the real number falls to @ $13M. Not to mention the FA market this off-season is pretty sad.3- The Reds now have 4 (maybe 3) huge holes to fill now: C, SS, CF, LF. Chris Dickerson should play every day til the end of the season so the Reds can find out if he can be an everyday CF'er. He has A+ defense and + speed, but his bat is the question. If he can have an OBP of .375, they have an in-house replacement for CF. The Reds absolutely have to trade for a catcher and a LF'er. I assume they try to land one of the 'big-3' catchers in Texas (Salty, Ramirez, Teagarden) with some of their surplus pitching at AAA (Bailey, Maloney, Thompson). And if the Reds are smart, they move BP over from 2B to SS and try to land Orlando Hudson to man 2B and give the Reds the best defensive team in the NL up the middle. LF, well, they need to find a big RH bat and I have no damn clue where that's coming from...Unless they move EdE from 3B to LF, but who do they replace 3B with? Dunno there...I was against losing Dunn as his offense is too important to this team (40 HR, 100RBI, 100 BB's, .900 OPS), but if that return ends up being true, way to go, Walt!!!

I give no credence to these rumors of Dunn returning. Not happening.I like getting Owings. Hell, his offensive numbers are probably better than Dunn's.

Owings sports a better bat than a guy that continually puts up 900+ OPS numbers? Never have and never will understand the hate Dunn gets, Prince Fielder gets praised for offering production that's little different from Dunn's. Makes no sense.

Dunn is a notch below Fielder, but it's closer than you'd think.Both Prince and Dunn have remarkably similar OPS numbers, but Prince Fielder has a .277 BA vs .238 for Dunn, almost a .040 difference. The difference is that the extra hits that Prince gets over the course of a season are about equal to the extra strikeouts Dunn gets. Prince is much better at making contact than Dunn, doesn't get injured as much (at this point), and probably will end up with somewhat better power numbers than Dunn when it's all said and, well, done.

 

[MAC_32]

As a huge Reds fans, let me clear some things up:

1 - The rumored return for Dunn, if true, is an absolute HAUL: Dallas Buck (coming off of TJ, but an extreme ground ball pitcher, which the Reds need), Micah Owings (shoulder stiffness and regressed this year, but couple him w/ Harang, Volquez, Cueto, Arroyo, that's a solid rotation), and Jarrod Parker, the D-backs #1 pick from last year (can't be traded until Aug 15). Again, the last two are rumored to be the ones, but we shall see. If so, the Reds got what they wanted from TB - 3 great prospects, one of which is ML ready.

2 - The Reds do not now have an extra $29M to spend this off-season. A lot of guys are getting significant raises, so the real number falls to @ $13M. Not to mention the FA market this off-season is pretty sad.

3- The Reds now have 4 (maybe 3) huge holes to fill now: C, SS, CF, LF. Chris Dickerson should play every day til the end of the season so the Reds can find out if he can be an everyday CF'er. He has A+ defense and + speed, but his bat is the question. If he can have an OBP of .375, they have an in-house replacement for CF. The Reds absolutely have to trade for a catcher and a LF'er. I assume they try to land one of the 'big-3' catchers in Texas (Salty, Ramirez, Teagarden) with some of their surplus pitching at AAA (Bailey, Maloney, Thompson). And if the Reds are smart, they move BP over from 2B to SS and try to land Orlando Hudson to man 2B and give the Reds the best defensive team in the NL up the middle. LF, well, they need to find a big RH bat and I have no damn clue where that's coming from...Unless they move EdE from 3B to LF, but who do they replace 3B with? Dunno there...

I was against losing Dunn as his offense is too important to this team (40 HR, 100RBI, 100 BB's, .900 OPS), but if that return ends up being true, way to go, Walt!!!

I give no credence to these rumors of Dunn returning. Not happening.I like getting Owings. Hell, his offensive numbers are probably better than Dunn's.

Owings sports a better bat than a guy that continually puts up 900+ OPS numbers? Never have and never will understand the hate Dunn gets, Prince Fielder gets praised for offering production that's little different from Dunn's. Makes no sense.

Exactly the tool-like response I expected.Dunn vs. Fielder 08

OPS 901 vs. 898

SLG 528 vs. 521

OBP 373 vs. 377

They're virtually the same player, but as MrPhoenix mentioned Dunn strikes out more - although to be fair Fielder strikes out a lot too (98 to Dunn's 120). The low avg Dunn sports is way over exaggerated by almost everybody because of how many walks he yields. Last time I checked there is virtually no difference between a walk and a single, Dunn gets on base with the same frequency that Fielder does; it doesn't matter if he gets there with contact or not.

Both Prince and Dunn have remarkably similar OPS numbers, but Prince Fielder has a .277 BA vs .238 for Dunn, almost a .040 difference. The difference is that the extra hits that Prince gets over the course of a season are about equal to the extra strikeouts Dunn gets. Prince is much better at making contact than Dunn, doesn't get injured as much (at this point), and probably will end up with somewhat better power numbers than Dunn when it's all said and, well, done.

Dunn missed 10 games in 07 and played in all but 5 games in the previous three seasons combined. Don't know what you're talking about there...

 

[MrPhoenix]

Dunn missed 10 games in 07 and played in all but 5 games in the previous three seasons combined. Don't know what you're talking about there...

Went on a premonition there, my bad.

 

[fasteddie_21]

As a huge Reds fans, let me clear some things up:1 - The rumored return for Dunn, if true, is an absolute HAUL: Dallas Buck (coming off of TJ, but an extreme ground ball pitcher, which the Reds need), Micah Owings (shoulder stiffness and regressed this year, but couple him w/ Harang, Volquez, Cueto, Arroyo, that's a solid rotation), and Jarrod Parker, the D-backs #1 pick from last year (can't be traded until Aug 15). Again, the last two are rumored to be the ones, but we shall see. If so, the Reds got what they wanted from TB - 3 great prospects, one of which is ML ready.2 - The Reds do not now have an extra $29M to spend this off-season. A lot of guys are getting significant raises, so the real number falls to @ $13M. Not to mention the FA market this off-season is pretty sad.3- The Reds now have 4 (maybe 3) huge holes to fill now: C, SS, CF, LF. Chris Dickerson should play every day til the end of the season so the Reds can find out if he can be an everyday CF'er. He has A+ defense and + speed, but his bat is the question. If he can have an OBP of .375, they have an in-house replacement for CF. The Reds absolutely have to trade for a catcher and a LF'er. I assume they try to land one of the 'big-3' catchers in Texas (Salty, Ramirez, Teagarden) with some of their surplus pitching at AAA (Bailey, Maloney, Thompson). And if the Reds are smart, they move BP over from 2B to SS and try to land Orlando Hudson to man 2B and give the Reds the best defensive team in the NL up the middle. LF, well, they need to find a big RH bat and I have no damn clue where that's coming from...Unless they move EdE from 3B to LF, but who do they replace 3B with? Dunno there...I was against losing Dunn as his offense is too important to this team (40 HR, 100RBI, 100 BB's, .900 OPS), but if that return ends up being true, way to go, Walt!!!

I give no credence to these rumors of Dunn returning. Not happening.I like getting Owings. Hell, his offensive numbers are probably better than Dunn's.

Owings sports a better bat than a guy that continually puts up 900+ OPS numbers? Never have and never will understand the hate Dunn gets, Prince Fielder gets praised for offering production that's little different from Dunn's. Makes no sense.

Agreed, but water under the bridge now. And cheese was right regarding the return for Dunn. Owings, Buck, Castillo. I'm still really happy with the return, provided Owings shoulder is ok.I think shuke misunderstood my post. I wasn't intimating that Dunn would come back to Cincy after the season...I was saying that the players they got in return for him was a good haul.Granted, it's only been a handful of games, but Dickerson has shown that he may be the answer for the Reds in CF for 2009. That leaves catcher (Castillo or Hanigan?), SS (wtf knows here), LF, and maybe 3B. I know lots of people want to see EdE moved to LF and the Reds go after Beltre in the off-season...or potentially moving Votto to LF to make room for Yonder Alonso late, late next season. Lots of ???'s going into the off-season, but in Walt I trust.

 

[dparker713]

As a huge Reds fans, let me clear some things up:

1 - The rumored return for Dunn, if true, is an absolute HAUL: Dallas Buck (coming off of TJ, but an extreme ground ball pitcher, which the Reds need), Micah Owings (shoulder stiffness and regressed this year, but couple him w/ Harang, Volquez, Cueto, Arroyo, that's a solid rotation), and Jarrod Parker, the D-backs #1 pick from last year (can't be traded until Aug 15). Again, the last two are rumored to be the ones, but we shall see. If so, the Reds got what they wanted from TB - 3 great prospects, one of which is ML ready.

2 - The Reds do not now have an extra $29M to spend this off-season. A lot of guys are getting significant raises, so the real number falls to @ $13M. Not to mention the FA market this off-season is pretty sad.

3- The Reds now have 4 (maybe 3) huge holes to fill now: C, SS, CF, LF. Chris Dickerson should play every day til the end of the season so the Reds can find out if he can be an everyday CF'er. He has A+ defense and + speed, but his bat is the question. If he can have an OBP of .375, they have an in-house replacement for CF. The Reds absolutely have to trade for a catcher and a LF'er. I assume they try to land one of the 'big-3' catchers in Texas (Salty, Ramirez, Teagarden) with some of their surplus pitching at AAA (Bailey, Maloney, Thompson). And if the Reds are smart, they move BP over from 2B to SS and try to land Orlando Hudson to man 2B and give the Reds the best defensive team in the NL up the middle. LF, well, they need to find a big RH bat and I have no damn clue where that's coming from...Unless they move EdE from 3B to LF, but who do they replace 3B with? Dunno there...

I was against losing Dunn as his offense is too important to this team (40 HR, 100RBI, 100 BB's, .900 OPS), but if that return ends up being true, way to go, Walt!!!

I give no credence to these rumors of Dunn returning. Not happening.I like getting Owings. Hell, his offensive numbers are probably better than Dunn's.

Owings sports a better bat than a guy that continually puts up 900+ OPS numbers? Never have and never will understand the hate Dunn gets, Prince Fielder gets praised for offering production that's little different from Dunn's. Makes no sense.

Exactly the tool-like response I expected.Dunn vs. Fielder 08

OPS 901 vs. 898

SLG 528 vs. 521

OBP 373 vs. 377

They're virtually the same player, but as MrPhoenix mentioned Dunn strikes out more - although to be fair Fielder strikes out a lot too (98 to Dunn's 120). The low avg Dunn sports is way over exaggerated by almost everybody because of how many walks he yields. Last time I checked there is virtually no difference between a walk and a single, Dunn gets on base with the same frequency that Fielder does; it doesn't matter if he gets there with contact or not.

Both Prince and Dunn have remarkably similar OPS numbers, but Prince Fielder has a .277 BA vs .238 for Dunn, almost a .040 difference. The difference is that the extra hits that Prince gets over the course of a season are about equal to the extra strikeouts Dunn gets. Prince is much better at making contact than Dunn, doesn't get injured as much (at this point), and probably will end up with somewhat better power numbers than Dunn when it's all said and, well, done.

Dunn missed 10 games in 07 and played in all but 5 games in the previous three seasons combined. Don't know what you're talking about there...

There is a very significant difference between a walk and a single. A single can, and often will, advance a runner on base more than one base. A walk can not do that.

 

[MAC_32]

As a huge Reds fans, let me clear some things up:

1 - The rumored return for Dunn, if true, is an absolute HAUL: Dallas Buck (coming off of TJ, but an extreme ground ball pitcher, which the Reds need), Micah Owings (shoulder stiffness and regressed this year, but couple him w/ Harang, Volquez, Cueto, Arroyo, that's a solid rotation), and Jarrod Parker, the D-backs #1 pick from last year (can't be traded until Aug 15). Again, the last two are rumored to be the ones, but we shall see. If so, the Reds got what they wanted from TB - 3 great prospects, one of which is ML ready.

2 - The Reds do not now have an extra $29M to spend this off-season. A lot of guys are getting significant raises, so the real number falls to @ $13M. Not to mention the FA market this off-season is pretty sad.

3- The Reds now have 4 (maybe 3) huge holes to fill now: C, SS, CF, LF. Chris Dickerson should play every day til the end of the season so the Reds can find out if he can be an everyday CF'er. He has A+ defense and + speed, but his bat is the question. If he can have an OBP of .375, they have an in-house replacement for CF. The Reds absolutely have to trade for a catcher and a LF'er. I assume they try to land one of the 'big-3' catchers in Texas (Salty, Ramirez, Teagarden) with some of their surplus pitching at AAA (Bailey, Maloney, Thompson). And if the Reds are smart, they move BP over from 2B to SS and try to land Orlando Hudson to man 2B and give the Reds the best defensive team in the NL up the middle. LF, well, they need to find a big RH bat and I have no damn clue where that's coming from...Unless they move EdE from 3B to LF, but who do they replace 3B with? Dunno there...

I was against losing Dunn as his offense is too important to this team (40 HR, 100RBI, 100 BB's, .900 OPS), but if that return ends up being true, way to go, Walt!!!

I give no credence to these rumors of Dunn returning. Not happening.I like getting Owings. Hell, his offensive numbers are probably better than Dunn's.

Owings sports a better bat than a guy that continually puts up 900+ OPS numbers? Never have and never will understand the hate Dunn gets, Prince Fielder gets praised for offering production that's little different from Dunn's. Makes no sense.

Exactly the tool-like response I expected.Dunn vs. Fielder 08

OPS 901 vs. 898

SLG 528 vs. 521

OBP 373 vs. 377

They're virtually the same player, but as MrPhoenix mentioned Dunn strikes out more - although to be fair Fielder strikes out a lot too (98 to Dunn's 120). The low avg Dunn sports is way over exaggerated by almost everybody because of how many walks he yields. Last time I checked there is virtually no difference between a walk and a single, Dunn gets on base with the same frequency that Fielder does; it doesn't matter if he gets there with contact or not.

Both Prince and Dunn have remarkably similar OPS numbers, but Prince Fielder has a .277 BA vs .238 for Dunn, almost a .040 difference. The difference is that the extra hits that Prince gets over the course of a season are about equal to the extra strikeouts Dunn gets. Prince is much better at making contact than Dunn, doesn't get injured as much (at this point), and probably will end up with somewhat better power numbers than Dunn when it's all said and, well, done.

Dunn missed 10 games in 07 and played in all but 5 games in the previous three seasons combined. Don't know what you're talking about there...

There is a very significant difference between a walk and a single. A single can, and often will, advance a runner on base more than one base. A walk can not do that.

That's why I said 'virtually no' instead of 'absolutely no.'

 

[shuke]

As a huge Reds fans, let me clear some things up:

1 - The rumored return for Dunn, if true, is an absolute HAUL: Dallas Buck (coming off of TJ, but an extreme ground ball pitcher, which the Reds need), Micah Owings (shoulder stiffness and regressed this year, but couple him w/ Harang, Volquez, Cueto, Arroyo, that's a solid rotation), and Jarrod Parker, the D-backs #1 pick from last year (can't be traded until Aug 15). Again, the last two are rumored to be the ones, but we shall see. If so, the Reds got what they wanted from TB - 3 great prospects, one of which is ML ready.

2 - The Reds do not now have an extra $29M to spend this off-season. A lot of guys are getting significant raises, so the real number falls to @ $13M. Not to mention the FA market this off-season is pretty sad.

3- The Reds now have 4 (maybe 3) huge holes to fill now: C, SS, CF, LF. Chris Dickerson should play every day til the end of the season so the Reds can find out if he can be an everyday CF'er. He has A+ defense and + speed, but his bat is the question. If he can have an OBP of .375, they have an in-house replacement for CF. The Reds absolutely have to trade for a catcher and a LF'er. I assume they try to land one of the 'big-3' catchers in Texas (Salty, Ramirez, Teagarden) with some of their surplus pitching at AAA (Bailey, Maloney, Thompson). And if the Reds are smart, they move BP over from 2B to SS and try to land Orlando Hudson to man 2B and give the Reds the best defensive team in the NL up the middle. LF, well, they need to find a big RH bat and I have no damn clue where that's coming from...Unless they move EdE from 3B to LF, but who do they replace 3B with? Dunno there...

I was against losing Dunn as his offense is too important to this team (40 HR, 100RBI, 100 BB's, .900 OPS), but if that return ends up being true, way to go, Walt!!!

I give no credence to these rumors of Dunn returning. Not happening.I like getting Owings. Hell, his offensive numbers are probably better than Dunn's.

Owings sports a better bat than a guy that continually puts up 900+ OPS numbers? Never have and never will understand the hate Dunn gets, Prince Fielder gets praised for offering production that's little different from Dunn's. Makes no sense.

Exactly the tool-like response I expected.

Dude, you're one of the most uptight people on this board. I was KIDDING about Ownings' bat replacing Dunn's. Jesus.

Last time I checked there is virtually no difference between a walk and a single

Really?

 

[cheese]

As a huge Reds fans, let me clear some things up:

1 - The rumored return for Dunn, if true, is an absolute HAUL: Dallas Buck (coming off of TJ, but an extreme ground ball pitcher, which the Reds need), Micah Owings (shoulder stiffness and regressed this year, but couple him w/ Harang, Volquez, Cueto, Arroyo, that's a solid rotation), and Jarrod Parker, the D-backs #1 pick from last year (can't be traded until Aug 15). Again, the last two are rumored to be the ones, but we shall see. If so, the Reds got what they wanted from TB - 3 great prospects, one of which is ML ready.

2 - The Reds do not now have an extra $29M to spend this off-season. A lot of guys are getting significant raises, so the real number falls to @ $13M. Not to mention the FA market this off-season is pretty sad.

3- The Reds now have 4 (maybe 3) huge holes to fill now: C, SS, CF, LF. Chris Dickerson should play every day til the end of the season so the Reds can find out if he can be an everyday CF'er. He has A+ defense and + speed, but his bat is the question. If he can have an OBP of .375, they have an in-house replacement for CF. The Reds absolutely have to trade for a catcher and a LF'er. I assume they try to land one of the 'big-3' catchers in Texas (Salty, Ramirez, Teagarden) with some of their surplus pitching at AAA (Bailey, Maloney, Thompson). And if the Reds are smart, they move BP over from 2B to SS and try to land Orlando Hudson to man 2B and give the Reds the best defensive team in the NL up the middle. LF, well, they need to find a big RH bat and I have no damn clue where that's coming from...Unless they move EdE from 3B to LF, but who do they replace 3B with? Dunno there...

I was against losing Dunn as his offense is too important to this team (40 HR, 100RBI, 100 BB's, .900 OPS), but if that return ends up being true, way to go, Walt!!!

I give no credence to these rumors of Dunn returning. Not happening.I like getting Owings. Hell, his offensive numbers are probably better than Dunn's.

Owings sports a better bat than a guy that continually puts up 900+ OPS numbers? Never have and never will understand the hate Dunn gets, Prince Fielder gets praised for offering production that's little different from Dunn's. Makes no sense.

Exactly the tool-like response I expected.Dunn vs. Fielder 08

OPS 901 vs. 898

SLG 528 vs. 521

OBP 373 vs. 377

They're virtually the same player, but as MrPhoenix mentioned Dunn strikes out more - although to be fair Fielder strikes out a lot too (98 to Dunn's 120). The low avg Dunn sports is way over exaggerated by almost everybody because of how many walks he yields. Last time I checked there is virtually no difference between a walk and a single, Dunn gets on base with the same frequency that Fielder does; it doesn't matter if he gets there with contact or not.

Both Prince and Dunn have remarkably similar OPS numbers, but Prince Fielder has a .277 BA vs .238 for Dunn, almost a .040 difference. The difference is that the extra hits that Prince gets over the course of a season are about equal to the extra strikeouts Dunn gets. Prince is much better at making contact than Dunn, doesn't get injured as much (at this point), and probably will end up with somewhat better power numbers than Dunn when it's all said and, well, done.

Dunn missed 10 games in 07 and played in all but 5 games in the previous three seasons combined. Don't know what you're talking about there...

There is a very significant difference between a walk and a single. A single can, and often will, advance a runner on base more than one base. A walk can not do that.

That's why I said 'virtually no' instead of 'absolutely no.'

If you go back and check the amount of times Adam Dunn walks with runners in scoring position, only for the runs to not score, you will realize how big that difference is.

 

[dparker713]

As a huge Reds fans, let me clear some things up:

1 - The rumored return for Dunn, if true, is an absolute HAUL: Dallas Buck (coming off of TJ, but an extreme ground ball pitcher, which the Reds need), Micah Owings (shoulder stiffness and regressed this year, but couple him w/ Harang, Volquez, Cueto, Arroyo, that's a solid rotation), and Jarrod Parker, the D-backs #1 pick from last year (can't be traded until Aug 15). Again, the last two are rumored to be the ones, but we shall see. If so, the Reds got what they wanted from TB - 3 great prospects, one of which is ML ready.

2 - The Reds do not now have an extra $29M to spend this off-season. A lot of guys are getting significant raises, so the real number falls to @ $13M. Not to mention the FA market this off-season is pretty sad.

3- The Reds now have 4 (maybe 3) huge holes to fill now: C, SS, CF, LF. Chris Dickerson should play every day til the end of the season so the Reds can find out if he can be an everyday CF'er. He has A+ defense and + speed, but his bat is the question. If he can have an OBP of .375, they have an in-house replacement for CF. The Reds absolutely have to trade for a catcher and a LF'er. I assume they try to land one of the 'big-3' catchers in Texas (Salty, Ramirez, Teagarden) with some of their surplus pitching at AAA (Bailey, Maloney, Thompson). And if the Reds are smart, they move BP over from 2B to SS and try to land Orlando Hudson to man 2B and give the Reds the best defensive team in the NL up the middle. LF, well, they need to find a big RH bat and I have no damn clue where that's coming from...Unless they move EdE from 3B to LF, but who do they replace 3B with? Dunno there...

I was against losing Dunn as his offense is too important to this team (40 HR, 100RBI, 100 BB's, .900 OPS), but if that return ends up being true, way to go, Walt!!!

I give no credence to these rumors of Dunn returning. Not happening.I like getting Owings. Hell, his offensive numbers are probably better than Dunn's.

Owings sports a better bat than a guy that continually puts up 900+ OPS numbers? Never have and never will understand the hate Dunn gets, Prince Fielder gets praised for offering production that's little different from Dunn's. Makes no sense.

Exactly the tool-like response I expected.Dunn vs. Fielder 08

OPS 901 vs. 898

SLG 528 vs. 521

OBP 373 vs. 377

They're virtually the same player, but as MrPhoenix mentioned Dunn strikes out more - although to be fair Fielder strikes out a lot too (98 to Dunn's 120). The low avg Dunn sports is way over exaggerated by almost everybody because of how many walks he yields. Last time I checked there is virtually no difference between a walk and a single, Dunn gets on base with the same frequency that Fielder does; it doesn't matter if he gets there with contact or not.

Both Prince and Dunn have remarkably similar OPS numbers, but Prince Fielder has a .277 BA vs .238 for Dunn, almost a .040 difference. The difference is that the extra hits that Prince gets over the course of a season are about equal to the extra strikeouts Dunn gets. Prince is much better at making contact than Dunn, doesn't get injured as much (at this point), and probably will end up with somewhat better power numbers than Dunn when it's all said and, well, done.

Dunn missed 10 games in 07 and played in all but 5 games in the previous three seasons combined. Don't know what you're talking about there...

There is a very significant difference between a walk and a single. A single can, and often will, advance a runner on base more than one base. A walk can not do that.

That's why I said 'virtually no' instead of 'absolutely no.'

Its a fairly big difference, not something that should just be brushed aside.

 

[MAC_32]

As a huge Reds fans, let me clear some things up:1 - The rumored return for Dunn, if true, is an absolute HAUL: Dallas Buck (coming off of TJ, but an extreme ground ball pitcher, which the Reds need), Micah Owings (shoulder stiffness and regressed this year, but couple him w/ Harang, Volquez, Cueto, Arroyo, that's a solid rotation), and Jarrod Parker, the D-backs #1 pick from last year (can't be traded until Aug 15). Again, the last two are rumored to be the ones, but we shall see. If so, the Reds got what they wanted from TB - 3 great prospects, one of which is ML ready.2 - The Reds do not now have an extra $29M to spend this off-season. A lot of guys are getting significant raises, so the real number falls to @ $13M. Not to mention the FA market this off-season is pretty sad.3- The Reds now have 4 (maybe 3) huge holes to fill now: C, SS, CF, LF. Chris Dickerson should play every day til the end of the season so the Reds can find out if he can be an everyday CF'er. He has A+ defense and + speed, but his bat is the question. If he can have an OBP of .375, they have an in-house replacement for CF. The Reds absolutely have to trade for a catcher and a LF'er. I assume they try to land one of the 'big-3' catchers in Texas (Salty, Ramirez, Teagarden) with some of their surplus pitching at AAA (Bailey, Maloney, Thompson). And if the Reds are smart, they move BP over from 2B to SS and try to land Orlando Hudson to man 2B and give the Reds the best defensive team in the NL up the middle. LF, well, they need to find a big RH bat and I have no damn clue where that's coming from...Unless they move EdE from 3B to LF, but who do they replace 3B with? Dunno there...I was against losing Dunn as his offense is too important to this team (40 HR, 100RBI, 100 BB's, .900 OPS), but if that return ends up being true, way to go, Walt!!!

I give no credence to these rumors of Dunn returning. Not happening.I like getting Owings. Hell, his offensive numbers are probably better than Dunn's.

Owings sports a better bat than a guy that continually puts up 900+ OPS numbers? Never have and never will understand the hate Dunn gets, Prince Fielder gets praised for offering production that's little different from Dunn's. Makes no sense.

Exactly the tool-like response I expected.

Dude, you're one of the most uptight people on this board. I was KIDDING about Ownings' bat replacing Dunn's. Jesus.

In other words, you didn't realize Dunn wasn't much different from Fielder. I get that.Others, I said they weren't much different from each other, never said they were equals; they're not...but they're a lot closer than most give him credit for.

 

[shuke]

As a huge Reds fans, let me clear some things up:

1 - The rumored return for Dunn, if true, is an absolute HAUL: Dallas Buck (coming off of TJ, but an extreme ground ball pitcher, which the Reds need), Micah Owings (shoulder stiffness and regressed this year, but couple him w/ Harang, Volquez, Cueto, Arroyo, that's a solid rotation), and Jarrod Parker, the D-backs #1 pick from last year (can't be traded until Aug 15). Again, the last two are rumored to be the ones, but we shall see. If so, the Reds got what they wanted from TB - 3 great prospects, one of which is ML ready.

2 - The Reds do not now have an extra $29M to spend this off-season. A lot of guys are getting significant raises, so the real number falls to @ $13M. Not to mention the FA market this off-season is pretty sad.

3- The Reds now have 4 (maybe 3) huge holes to fill now: C, SS, CF, LF. Chris Dickerson should play every day til the end of the season so the Reds can find out if he can be an everyday CF'er. He has A+ defense and + speed, but his bat is the question. If he can have an OBP of .375, they have an in-house replacement for CF. The Reds absolutely have to trade for a catcher and a LF'er. I assume they try to land one of the 'big-3' catchers in Texas (Salty, Ramirez, Teagarden) with some of their surplus pitching at AAA (Bailey, Maloney, Thompson). And if the Reds are smart, they move BP over from 2B to SS and try to land Orlando Hudson to man 2B and give the Reds the best defensive team in the NL up the middle. LF, well, they need to find a big RH bat and I have no damn clue where that's coming from...Unless they move EdE from 3B to LF, but who do they replace 3B with? Dunno there...

I was against losing Dunn as his offense is too important to this team (40 HR, 100RBI, 100 BB's, .900 OPS), but if that return ends up being true, way to go, Walt!!!

I give no credence to these rumors of Dunn returning. Not happening.I like getting Owings. Hell, his offensive numbers are probably better than Dunn's.

Owings sports a better bat than a guy that continually puts up 900+ OPS numbers? Never have and never will understand the hate Dunn gets, Prince Fielder gets praised for offering production that's little different from Dunn's. Makes no sense.

Exactly the tool-like response I expected.

Dude, you're one of the most uptight people on this board. I was KIDDING about Ownings' bat replacing Dunn's. Jesus.

In other words, you didn't realize Dunn wasn't much different from Fielder. I get that.

BURN!

 

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In other words, you didn't realize Dunn wasn't much different from Fielder. I get that.Others, I said they weren't much different from each other, never said they were equals; they're not...but they're a lot closer than most give him credit for.

Dunn and Fielder both belong as DH's in the AL.