Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Addai vs. Maroney (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Keith Lewis
- Start date
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
As I said before I'm not going by the games he played in I'm going by the amount of touches he had during that which was over 360. That was enough to show me that he can play and play very well. I think if he can get that same amount of opportunity in the regular season he will be able to achieve at least that same level of production and quite likely more.I don't see how I'm being misleading especially considering that I said if you count the playoffs he had over 1800 yards and 10 touchdowns. I didn't make anything up. He did what he did. If you don't want to go by that fine but I will and because of it have Joseph Addai pretty high up on the board.
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
The 20-12 rushing TD edge to the Patriots.The retirement of Tarik Glenn.The Colts are exceptional at pass protection, no doubt. Nobody is saying Indy has a bad O-line, just NE has a better O-line for run blocking.
I would hope they had more rush TDS. I mean Gaffney/Caldwell arnt exactly red zone targets. What was the TD comparison between Addai and Maroney head to head. We are talking about a head to head battle here not a total team TD battle. #'s spreak for themselves. I think you have to go Addai here and IMO its not really close
Tau837
Footballguy
Here is an interesting look at Addai's performance:
1st 8 games: 105/490/2 rushing (4.7 ypc), 19/144/1 receiving (7.6 ypr) on 26 targets, 10.2 fppg (no PPR)
2nd 8 games: 121/591/5 rushing (4.9 ypc), 21/181/0 receiving (8.6 ypr) on 24 targets, 13.4 fppg (no PPR)
4 playoff games: 76/294/2 rushing (3.9 ypc), 22/118/0 receiving (5.4 ypr) on 23 targets, 13.3 fppg (no PPR)
First off, he averaged double figure fantasy points in each stretch... very solid. Secondly, look at how he improved his ypc and ypr in the second half as his workload increased, albeit slightly. And for those who might criticize his ypc and ypr in the playoffs, note that he played KC, BAL, NE, CHI. Given that, his performance was pretty impressive IMO.
Also, look at how his carries and targets went up in the playoffs:
13.1 carries per game in 1st 8 games, 15.1 carries per game in second 8 games, 19 carries per game in the playoffs
3.3 targets per game in 1st 8 games, 3.0 targets per game in second 8 games, 5.8 targets per game in the playoffs
His playoff usage -- 19 carries, 5.8 targets, and 4.5 catches per game -- projects to 304 carries, 93 targets, and 72 catches in 16 games... and keep in mind that Rhodes was still getting 15.5 carries and 1.75 catches per game over that 4 game span... so his carries could easily go up somewhat.
Those numbers from the successful playoff run also show that there is room for Addai to get an Edge-like workload while still leaving meaningful carries for Dorsey (or whoever). So for those claiming that Dorsey (or some other RB) will limit Addai's upside, I disagree.
Here were the combined regular season totals of Rhodes and Addai last year:
413/1722/12 rushing
76/576/1 receiving
Almost 500 touches and 2300 total yards. Admittedly, TDs were a bit low. But as someone already noted, Manning had 4 rushing TDs last year. Consider the previous season... Manning had 0 rushing TDs and the RBs had 18. In fact, Manning had 0 rushing TDs the three previous combined seasons before last year. I think it is safe to say that anomaly will not repeat. IMO there is upside over last year's TDs.
Barring injury, I cannot see Addai with less than 1700 total yards and 8 TDs. And IMO those numbers are very conservative. I certainly cannot see Maroney with anything close to that as a floor. So Addai over Maroney is an easy call for redraft. And I feel the same for dynasty as well... I just see no reason to value Maroney over Addai in the longer term.
Now, I agree that taking Addai in the 4-6 pick range certainly adds a bit of risk and provides less value than getting him later in the first... but that is the case for every RB you might take there. So you have to just suck it up and take the one you think is the best of the lot, accepting the fact that it comes with added risk and reduced value. What alternative is there?
1st 8 games: 105/490/2 rushing (4.7 ypc), 19/144/1 receiving (7.6 ypr) on 26 targets, 10.2 fppg (no PPR)
2nd 8 games: 121/591/5 rushing (4.9 ypc), 21/181/0 receiving (8.6 ypr) on 24 targets, 13.4 fppg (no PPR)
4 playoff games: 76/294/2 rushing (3.9 ypc), 22/118/0 receiving (5.4 ypr) on 23 targets, 13.3 fppg (no PPR)
First off, he averaged double figure fantasy points in each stretch... very solid. Secondly, look at how he improved his ypc and ypr in the second half as his workload increased, albeit slightly. And for those who might criticize his ypc and ypr in the playoffs, note that he played KC, BAL, NE, CHI. Given that, his performance was pretty impressive IMO.
Also, look at how his carries and targets went up in the playoffs:
13.1 carries per game in 1st 8 games, 15.1 carries per game in second 8 games, 19 carries per game in the playoffs
3.3 targets per game in 1st 8 games, 3.0 targets per game in second 8 games, 5.8 targets per game in the playoffs
His playoff usage -- 19 carries, 5.8 targets, and 4.5 catches per game -- projects to 304 carries, 93 targets, and 72 catches in 16 games... and keep in mind that Rhodes was still getting 15.5 carries and 1.75 catches per game over that 4 game span... so his carries could easily go up somewhat.
Those numbers from the successful playoff run also show that there is room for Addai to get an Edge-like workload while still leaving meaningful carries for Dorsey (or whoever). So for those claiming that Dorsey (or some other RB) will limit Addai's upside, I disagree.
Here were the combined regular season totals of Rhodes and Addai last year:
413/1722/12 rushing
76/576/1 receiving
Almost 500 touches and 2300 total yards. Admittedly, TDs were a bit low. But as someone already noted, Manning had 4 rushing TDs last year. Consider the previous season... Manning had 0 rushing TDs and the RBs had 18. In fact, Manning had 0 rushing TDs the three previous combined seasons before last year. I think it is safe to say that anomaly will not repeat. IMO there is upside over last year's TDs.
Barring injury, I cannot see Addai with less than 1700 total yards and 8 TDs. And IMO those numbers are very conservative. I certainly cannot see Maroney with anything close to that as a floor. So Addai over Maroney is an easy call for redraft. And I feel the same for dynasty as well... I just see no reason to value Maroney over Addai in the longer term.
Now, I agree that taking Addai in the 4-6 pick range certainly adds a bit of risk and provides less value than getting him later in the first... but that is the case for every RB you might take there. So you have to just suck it up and take the one you think is the best of the lot, accepting the fact that it comes with added risk and reduced value. What alternative is there?
Last edited by a moderator:
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
Crazy as it sounds I think that Joseph Addai is somewhat underrated by people. Most of his supporters are saying he's a stud because he plays for the Colts and Rhodes is gone while mentioning little about his talent. And his detractorst say that well he isn't Edge so don't expect him to play that. I think he will succeed because he's in a great offense and he can flat out play.
He averaged 4.8 yards in the regular season which is incredible in it's own right. In the playoffs however is where he showed off his full range of abilites. Whether it was gashing the defense running the ball against the Chiefs, grinding out tough yards against the Ravens and Patriots or catching double digit passes vs. the Bears in the Super Bowl he did it all. I'm not ready to call him a top-5 NFL RB just yet but come this time next year myself as well as a lot of other people just might have to.
He averaged 4.8 yards in the regular season which is incredible in it's own right. In the playoffs however is where he showed off his full range of abilites. Whether it was gashing the defense running the ball against the Chiefs, grinding out tough yards against the Ravens and Patriots or catching double digit passes vs. the Bears in the Super Bowl he did it all. I'm not ready to call him a top-5 NFL RB just yet but come this time next year myself as well as a lot of other people just might have to.
Last edited by a moderator:
Family Matters
Footballguy
I had no idea. Thanks for the lesson. But back to the point. Do you really think that he learned anything? I think his track record suggests his decision making is still suspect. I highly doubt he'll suddenly be a changed man just because it's BB. And if you think they handle Pro players the way they do college players then you should realize that it's a completely different world. In college Moss had no say in anything, no leverage. In the NFL it's the other way around. Coaches have little leverage. The point is and was that Moss can be disruptive. He has been on other teams. There is is inherit risk with him that would be foolish to overlook when answering the original question of Maroney-v-Addai.Moss went to ND originally, was let go for a racially driven fight. Went to FSU and was told up front by Bowden who has a 3 strike policy for behavior that you entire this team with 2 strikes. I don't care what happened in the past if you screw up once you are off the team. Moss was forced to ride the bench his one year at FSU despite being the most gifted player Bowden had ever seen and the clear best player on the team. Him sitting that year was also part of his agreement to be allowed to come to FSU. He was a model teammate and took everything Bowden asked like a man for the season. He went home for that summer and got caught with weed. Bowden called him and cut him the next day. Moss transfered to Marshall. Here is aUhm, you do realize Moss went to Marshall. Right? Here's aI don't think we will see Moss' negative side NE either. So maybe that is why I'm high on Maroney... actually I'm high on the whole freaking team.As a side note, I don't think BB or NE will allow Moss to disturb the team. They don't "need" him as I've said before. With or w/o Moss the NE WRs have been upgraded. They didn't break the bank for him. If he wants to pout he will probably just be cut. If Moss remembers anything ab out tough coaches from his FSU days, he should know that BB will be good on his word to let him go. Just like Bowden did years ago.
for you.
This is all in Bowden's book, the Bowden Way.
Family Matters
Footballguy
As said earlier, you are not accounting for Dillon having had been better than Rhodes and taking more away from Maroney.
Do you not think his stats get better from the extra touches? You'll say Addai has to get better because he's going ot touch it more, but not Maroney?
If you saw the kid run last year, he is legit. I saw him go a few times last season, and a few of them, he reminded me of Larry Johnson. I tried actively to acquire him in all of my leagues last year(only got him in 1)
Also, how many touchdowns do you have Tom Brady throwing this year? If Moss is going to eat those Dillon TDs, you have to have him throwing for 35ish, right?
24 last year
4 to caldwell
4 to troy brown
3 to Doug Gabriel
3 to Chad Jackson
1 To Jabaar Gaffney
Moss and Stallworth are probably goiing to be accounting for the majoirty of those 15, and then Dillons 13. That's roughly28 tds between them, correct?
I just think it's funny you'll garuntee Addai's improvement with projected additional touches and push him into the top 5, yet Maroney is going to be barely top 20 with even more additional touches, and what would almost definitely appear to be more goal line carries.
Do you not think his stats get better from the extra touches? You'll say Addai has to get better because he's going ot touch it more, but not Maroney?
If you saw the kid run last year, he is legit. I saw him go a few times last season, and a few of them, he reminded me of Larry Johnson. I tried actively to acquire him in all of my leagues last year(only got him in 1)
Also, how many touchdowns do you have Tom Brady throwing this year? If Moss is going to eat those Dillon TDs, you have to have him throwing for 35ish, right?
24 last year
4 to caldwell
4 to troy brown
3 to Doug Gabriel
3 to Chad Jackson
1 To Jabaar Gaffney
Moss and Stallworth are probably goiing to be accounting for the majoirty of those 15, and then Dillons 13. That's roughly28 tds between them, correct?
I just think it's funny you'll garuntee Addai's improvement with projected additional touches and push him into the top 5, yet Maroney is going to be barely top 20 with even more additional touches, and what would almost definitely appear to be more goal line carries.
I agree with "The man with the plan". Addai can play. I drafted Addai AND Maroney in last year's dynasty draft (#3 and #2 overall) and my first impression was to think that Maroney was the better back. He looked better in camp and in the first few games of the season showed a lot of burst and wiggle. People like that stuff, it looks sexy, Maroney himself looks sexy, but sexy doesn't always mean better. As I watched the season progress I noticed that Addai rarely lost yards and appeared to always end the run falling forward and gaining a few more. Maroney seemed to get caught in the backfield a lot. Maroney is more of a dancer and will probably have more sensational runs but he will also get dropped while dancing more often. Addai is consistent and appeared to get better as the season progressed while Maroney got worse. I'm not willing to close the book on this comparison yet but if I had to pick one player to start an NFL team with right now it would be Addai. Interestingly I drafted Norwood in the 2nd round and think he is better than both of these guys. I heart norwood.
Sparrow911
Footballguy
Maroney
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
This isn't math class. People want to add Dillon's numbers to Maroney's and think he's a ready made stud. I don't think it's that easy. He's going to have a potential for a good season but that's all it is. Potential. It hasn't happened yet. We've already seen it from Joseph Addai.I'm not asking Joseph Addai to do anything else than what I've seen from him already. For him to do more would only increase his potential for greatness. Maroney has a long way to go in my mind to reach Addai's level. I haven't seen him play that way or anything close to it really. He was okay last season. Looked like Larry Johnson? Come on now that's almost as crazy as the guy who compared him to Eric Dickerson. As for his production it's hard to get a read on because he hasn't done much yet. The Patriots should be a good offense and Maroney should benefit. I'm not one for determining team touchdowns but all I'm saying is I don't see Maroney having an extremely high number of rushing touchdowns with Randy Moss around. How much? Who can say but certainly not the 15-20 that many people have projected (which is probably the main reason he's considered a first-round pick).Maybe it's just me but I'm not one for hype or potential. Maroney hasn't done enough in my mind for me to consider him as a first round draft pick. Addai has accomplished so much more. If you want to say that it's because Maroney didn't get a chance or that he was hurt then fine. He's healthy and a starter now and so's Addai. At the end of this season a lot of questions will be answered. As it stands right now though Maroney has to prove that he's better than Addai not the other way around.
Your posts in the thread don't go together...logically.
If you're not asking more of Addai, you should draft him at 11, right around where Maroney seems to be going, instead of at 5.
I haven't seen too many 15-20 td projections for Maroney. I'd have him at 3 instead of 11 if that were the case.
It's not a matter of adding Dillon and Maroney's numbers. You look at when Maroney touched the ball, see he was effective, and realize he is a lock to see significantly more touches.
You look at Dillon getting nearly 40 tds in his 3 years in New England and say to yourself one of two things. Corey Dillon is a touchdown machine, or the Patriots put their backs on the goal line ALOT.
IF you really believe Dillon is that good, I'm not going to argue.
On offense, the Patriots added Moss, Stallworth, Welker.
They lost Corey Dillon. Even if you want to say it's not an improvement, did it get any worse? Are they going to score significantly less points on offense this season?
Again, how many touchdowns does Tom Brady have in him this season? The 24 from last year, and the 13 that Dillon provided on the goal line?
Maroney IS going to pick up the goal line carries and by default some of those touchdowns.
The carries will increase. The additions of Moss and Stallworth will stretch the field and could potentially increase his ypc.
To say he wasn't impressive just tells me you didn't really watch him run last year. He's got the talent, he's got the situation.
You can argue Addai will be better, but because Moss will steal tds? While Addai has Harrison and Wayne taking tds.
and what was it that didn't impress you about Maroney? The fact the Patriots didn't give him 300 touches because they had another very good veteran back on the team? Do you think if the Colts had a Corey Dillon they stil give Addai the touches he had?
the 4.3 ypc not impressive?
the 8.8 ypr not impressive?
I'm not putting him top 5 by any means, but 1st round, absolutely. His ability+his situation is going to make him a top 12 running back. Just as Addai's will do for him.
Both have the talent to some day be top 5, but this season, I can't see it from either.
If you're not asking more of Addai, you should draft him at 11, right around where Maroney seems to be going, instead of at 5.
I haven't seen too many 15-20 td projections for Maroney. I'd have him at 3 instead of 11 if that were the case.
It's not a matter of adding Dillon and Maroney's numbers. You look at when Maroney touched the ball, see he was effective, and realize he is a lock to see significantly more touches.
You look at Dillon getting nearly 40 tds in his 3 years in New England and say to yourself one of two things. Corey Dillon is a touchdown machine, or the Patriots put their backs on the goal line ALOT.
IF you really believe Dillon is that good, I'm not going to argue.
On offense, the Patriots added Moss, Stallworth, Welker.
They lost Corey Dillon. Even if you want to say it's not an improvement, did it get any worse? Are they going to score significantly less points on offense this season?
Again, how many touchdowns does Tom Brady have in him this season? The 24 from last year, and the 13 that Dillon provided on the goal line?
Maroney IS going to pick up the goal line carries and by default some of those touchdowns.
The carries will increase. The additions of Moss and Stallworth will stretch the field and could potentially increase his ypc.
To say he wasn't impressive just tells me you didn't really watch him run last year. He's got the talent, he's got the situation.
You can argue Addai will be better, but because Moss will steal tds? While Addai has Harrison and Wayne taking tds.
and what was it that didn't impress you about Maroney? The fact the Patriots didn't give him 300 touches because they had another very good veteran back on the team? Do you think if the Colts had a Corey Dillon they stil give Addai the touches he had?
the 4.3 ypc not impressive?
the 8.8 ypr not impressive?
I'm not putting him top 5 by any means, but 1st round, absolutely. His ability+his situation is going to make him a top 12 running back. Just as Addai's will do for him.
Both have the talent to some day be top 5, but this season, I can't see it from either.
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
16 games 226/1081/7/4.8 + 40/325/1/8.1/2 fumbles14 games 175/745/6/4.3 + 22/194/1/8.8/1 fumbles + 28/783/28.0 on kick returnsAddai accomplished so much more with those stats in your mind. Add in the fact that Dillon >>> Rhodes and Dillon >>>>>>>>> Rhodes at the Goalline, Tarik Glenn retired, The Colts defense regressed bigtime, the Patriots defense improved bigtime, Moss/Stallworth will open up running lanes. With all these facts and with the above stats feel free to take Addai and spend a higher pick on him in the process.
Irish
Footballguy
Cross out Addai and add Maroney's name and the statement is still true.and Im staying away from Addai because I dont agree with the value most people are tagging him with. Ive seen him go as high as 4 in redraft and dynasty, which IMO is wayyy to high for a guy who's never held a complete workload and has been repeatedly slowed by injuries
I think both of these guys are solid picks. I have Addai slightly over Maroney, but it's close. I think Addai's potential is nice given that the Colts seem to have realized in the playoffs that ultimately, you have to run well to win a championship. Yards per carry for the RB's last year says a lot to me as well. Not just because Addai's was larger, but because of the discrepancy between Addai/Rhodes vs. the discrepancy with Maroney/Dillon. That says a lot about Addai's potential if he's given the carries imo and says a lot more about the RB's ability in their system.
Maroney - 4.3 ypc Dillon - 4.1 ypc (not a lot of difference between Maroney and a formerly great but old Dillon)
Addai - 4.8 ypc Rhodes - 3.4 ypc (huge discrepancy between Addai and another pretty good RB)
Maroney - 4.3 ypc Dillon - 4.1 ypc (not a lot of difference between Maroney and a formerly great but old Dillon)
Addai - 4.8 ypc Rhodes - 3.4 ypc (huge discrepancy between Addai and another pretty good RB)
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
The discrepancy says a lot more about how bad Rhodes is.
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
Man what the hell does kickoff returns have to do with anything? Whatever. People keep making the excuse that Corey Dillon was on the team and that he was such a good player or at least a much better player than Dominic Rhodes. But now that he's gone it's no big deal Maroney will just handle it. He wasn't good enough to beat Corey Dillon but now that he's gone he's an instant stud? Please. People are using that exact same argument for Cedric Benson this season and it's just as dumb.The Colts have to do something about the Left Tackle position. If the play at that position falls off dramatically every player suffers. No question about it. I'm not going to push the panic button just yet though. Let preseason play out see who's looking good or bad at that position and we'll go from there. Defense is not an issue. Colts D was bad last year and the offense did OK they'll be bad again and hold no sway really over how the offense plays. If Moss and Stallworth are opening up running lanes for Maroney what do you suppose Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne will be doing? The only difference is the Colts receivers have proven their dominance together. The Moss/Stallworth combo as of yet has not. So I'll go with the proven player and situation.You act like Maroney is getting drafted so far below Addai. They're both first round picks. Either way it's the same risk. I trust Joseph Addai and the Colts offense more. Unless you think Maroney should also be a top-5 pick (Addai won't fall in Maroney's draft range) possibly over Addai there's really no choice to be made. In terms of draft it isn't about Maroney vs. Addai. It's about Addai vs. Gore or vs. Parker. It's about Maroney vs. Westbrook or vs. Henry. In both cases I'd take the more proven players out of the bunch.Keith Lewis said:
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
You can't have it both ways. You can't say Dillon was holding Maroney back and then when Dillon's gone say no big deal the Patriots will be fine and Maroney will be a stud. Sounds like the Cedric Benson excuse. I don't think Maroney will be as bad as Benson but he won't be as good as Addai.I'll try to make my point as clearly as I can. Forget about the numbers for a minute. Over the course of last season I saw enough from Joseph Addai to make me confident that he can be a mid-first round pick. I did not see enough from Laurence Maroney to say the he should be a definitive first-round pick. For whatever reason (Dillon, injury) Joseph Addai is a more proven player than Laurence Maroney. In my experience when comparing players if you choose the more proven player more often than not you're going to be right. And that's exactly what I'm doing in this case. I don't know that they both have the talent to be top-5 running backs but I have seen what Addai can do with 360 touches. I haven't seen that from Maroney so I can't and won't assume that he'll have a great season because of that.Jon_Moore said:
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
In the snake draft they're both first round picks so in a sense they have equal value. In auction drafts though you make a good point. I could see the hype of Addai driving his price up to a ridiculous range that probably won't be worth paying if you want to field the best team. Maroney has hype too but not nearly as much as Addai. So in that rare occurence I could see myself taking Maroney over Addai. Of course in that case I'd probably just get Willie Parker instead.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
To get Joseph Addai you have to use a first round pick. To get Laurence Maroney you have to use a first round pick. In that sense how is one cheaper than the other? The return on those picks might be different in the end but the price paid is the same.1.06=1.12
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
What does kickoff returns have to do with anything? Puh-leaze, you have to be kidding.
Dude, there is a reason most starting RBs aren't out there playing special teams. It's a heavy burden.....and while kick returner isn't as grueling as punt returner, it still puts stress on the body.Maroney will be able to handle a greater workload at RB if he's not doing double-duty as a return man.Sorry, I should have made clear I was talking auction.But, if there is the opportunity of trading draft picks in a snake-draft league, I would rather take Maroney at 1.12 and have 2.1 than have Addai at 1.6 and have 2.7...To get Joseph Addai you have to use a first round pick. To get Laurence Maroney you have to use a first round pick. In that sense how is one cheaper than the other? The return on those picks might be different in the end but the price paid is the same.
switz
Footballguy
What if I told you he was a 1406/8 (totals) guy in part time duty and would carry more of a load this year?If you want to take away his playoff performance as an indicator of how good he is, don't you also have to give him more credit for putting up his regular season numbers as a part time back?
switz
Footballguy
Hmmm....Rhodes was signed by another team, right? Was Dillon? Which one do other teams think was better? Probably the one that got signed as an FA.Michael J Fox said:
Dillon not in the running to start anywhere
Last edited by a moderator:
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Ok Switz.
Dillon ran well last year....in short bursts. But he's aged quite a bit the past few seasons.Rhodes - even in his prime - can't carry Dillon's jock. Rhodes averaged 3.4 per carry....with Manning, Harrison & Wayne taking pressure off him. Surely even you can recognize that as a pitiful performance.
switz
Footballguy
I agree, in their prime Dillon was far superior. But when you are looking at the competition presented to Maroney and Addai, there is no way you can say Dillon was so much better. He was pretty awful last year. That's all. Rhodes in NE last year would have outperformed Dillon IMO. Dillon looked older and slower than Rhodes.Ok Switz.Dillon ran well last year....in short bursts. But he's aged quite a bit the past few seasons.
Rhodes - even in his prime - can't carry Dillon's jock. Rhodes averaged 3.4 per carry....with Manning, Harrison & Wayne taking pressure off him. Surely even you can recognize that as a pitiful performance.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Well, Rhodes averaged far worse than Dillon last year, despite having more offensive weapons around him. So I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. IMO, Rhodes is at best an average RB. I'd love to see him win the starting job in Oakland, so that his lack of talent can be exposed.I agree, in their prime Dillon was far superior. But when you are looking at the competition presented to Maroney and Addai, there is no way you can say Dillon was so much better. He was pretty awful last year. That's all. Rhodes in NE last year would have outperformed Dillon IMO. Dillon looked older and slower than Rhodes.Ok Switz.Dillon ran well last year....in short bursts. But he's aged quite a bit the past few seasons.
Rhodes - even in his prime - can't carry Dillon's jock. Rhodes averaged 3.4 per carry....with Manning, Harrison & Wayne taking pressure off him. Surely even you can recognize that as a pitiful performance.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Why is it irrelevant? Seems to me a pretty clear indicator of which is better at this point, or do the shark pool posters just have a better read on things than every single NFL GM who hasn't bothered to sign Dillon yet while Rhodes was actually a somewhat sought after commodity?#1. Dillon was better last season. A year older, and GMs MAY believe Rhodes will be more productive than Dillon, but last year, Dillon was the better of the 2 by a fair amount.
#2. There's a thread on Dillon in the Shark Pool. Teams tried to talk to him, he doesn't want back.
#2. There's a thread on Dillon in the Shark Pool. Teams tried to talk to him, he doesn't want back.
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
switz
Footballguy
I thought I linked the article, but maybe I didn't. What I read is that some teams have contacted Dillon about a #2 RB job, but no one is interested in him starting, or even competing to start. That is why Dillon won't talk. Obvioulsy though, NFL teams think he is all washed up.And no one can say in the offseason, his skills diminished that much more rapidly than Rhodes.Jon_Moore said:
switz
Footballguy
NE has a far, far, far superior run blocking line than IND. The respective YPCs has more to do with OL than with "offensive weapons".
Similar threads
