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[numberSE7EN]

ADP has 106 touches in 5 games, that is an average of 21.2 touches per game. That seems like more than enough for a rookie running back who has not played a full NFL season. As a ADP owner I think Chester geting some carries is a good thing, the only time I think ADP should have been used more is in the 2nd half of week 4 vs GB (only had 13 touches that game).

After his game in week 6 I dont see any RB on the roster keeping him from touching the ball 20 times a games, and 20 touches for ADP = gold!

 

[shakeybarn]

ADP has 106 touches in 5 games, that is an average of 21.2 touches per game. That seems like more than enough for a rookie running back who has not played a full NFL season. As a ADP owner I think Chester geting some carries is a good thing, the only time I think ADP should have been used more is in the 2nd half of week 4 vs GB (only had 13 touches that game). After his game in week 6 I dont see any RB on the roster keeping him from touching the ball 20 times a games, and 20 touches for ADP = gold!

Agree. I don't own him in a league with the horrific playoffs during weeks 14-17, but for those that do, you want him fresh... and with nothing to lose the rest of the season. If he breaks down, the Vikes could miss out on some wins (e.g. Chicago in Chicago last weekend).I don't need to see him getting the rock with 7 min left in the 4th quarter with the vikes up 17... (course the probability of that happening...laughable, but still)

 

[FreeBaGeL]

20 *touches* for a RB is not really what I would consider "a lot".

AD is a workhorse type guy who gets better as the game goes on. If he's doing this much early on I can't imagine how the end of games would go when he's already pounded the defense a plethora of times. This is a guy who was regularly getting 30+ carries in college.

 

[packersfan]

20 *touches* for a RB is not really what I would consider "a lot".AD is a workhorse type guy who gets better as the game goes on. If he's doing this much early on I can't imagine how the end of games would go when he's already pounded the defense a plethora of times. This is a guy who was regularly getting 30+ carries in college.

Peterson's durability issues are a realistic concern. Giving him 30+ touches a game could lead to amazing production but a shorter season and ultimately NFL career. I think 20-25 is fine for the time being. The only game this season where I had any issues with Peterson's touches came against the Packers when he was the only offensive player Green Bay couldn't stop and Childress buried him on the bench for nearly the entire second half, holding him to only three total touches. That was a huge mistake and the Vikings lost the game because of it. The Vikings don't need to run Peterson into the ground. Taylor is a good NFL running back and using him to complement Peterson is a smart idea. As a Peterson owner, if he's getting 20-25 touches a game I'm happy. I think he does need to be more involved in the passing game (only one reception against the Bears) to take more advantage of his playmaking skills and game-breaking ability, but other than that 20-25 touches is a good number in my opinion. I want him healthy for the entire season and I think that number is a good one to enable him to maintain good health and consistent production.

 

[David Yudkin]

MIN is still insisting that ADP and Taylor will split the workload pretty evenly the rest of the way.

 

[Sabertooth]

MIN is still insisting that ADP and Taylor will split the workload pretty evenly the rest of the way.

Well, AD is the third ranked back in our PPR league so that works for me!

 

[packersfan]

MIN is still insisting that ADP and Taylor will split the workload pretty evenly the rest of the way.

If they have more games like last week where both guys can get 20+ touches and be productive there won't be a problem. But if they get into games where it's clear Peterson deserves more touches and the team needs him badly (like in the Green Bay game) and Peterson isn't getting the touches than Childress is going to come under fire again. And deservedly so in my opinion. It's fine to go into a game with the intent of a 50-50 split but if it's clear Peterson is the best thing you have and if it's clear he's your best chance at winning then he needs to be more involved. You don't want to run him into the ground like I said before, but you can't bury him on the bench either. Childress needs to be mindful of not overworking Peterson but also not minimizing his team's chances to win by failing to properly utilize his best offensive player.

 

[gianmarco]

His kickoff return touches need to be converted to handoffs or receptions.

 

[FFdork]

His kickoff return touches need to be converted to handoffs or receptions.

It doesn't bother me that they want to use both ADP and Chester. It does bother me that they're risking their best offensive player on kick returns. He is good at it, so I could see it if they did it every now and then when they really needed the spark. However, having him be the regular return guy is foolish IMO.I don't expect it to change though. Childress is nothing if not stubborn.

 

[valhallan]

I'd much prefer they activate Moore and let him split carries and return kickoffs, but no matter what it appears we're going to get enough of ADP to make him a must start every week.

 

[strong]

His kickoff return touches need to be converted to handoffs or receptions.

It doesn't bother me that they want to use both ADP and Chester. It does bother me that they're risking their best offensive player on kick returns. He is good at it, so I could see it if they did it every now and then when they really needed the spark. However, having him be the regular return guy is foolish IMO.

I don't expect it to change though. Childress is nothing if not stubborn.

I understand the concern as a fantasy owner but I really think the concern is overblown. Also, for a poor offensive team like the Vikings, yards are precious. A four or five yard difference at the start of four or five possessions a game is huge for them...

Here's the starting position of kickoffs returned by Peterson:

25

28

52 (Opponent's 48)

21

62 (Opponent's 38)

38

29

26

Average Starting Position:

36.6

Here's the starting position of kickoffs returned by other players:

10

20

18

59 (Opponent's 41)

17

57 (Opponent's 43)

21

32

Average Starting Position:

29.3

Granted, this is a small sample, but it seems Peterson is a near lock to get the ball out to the 25 or so. The other backs, while they've broken a couple long ones like Peterson, are much more inconsistent. Three times out of their 8 returns, the Vikings starting inside their own 20. Half of the time they started inside their own 25.

With Peterson, only once on eight tries have the Vikings starting inside their own 25.

Now this trend may not continue but Childress seems to be making the right move in order to win games and make a playoff run...

Now some fantasy owners will cry about putting their star player back there to return kicks and will claim Childress is an idiot... but the early returns show otherwise and, like I've done in another thread, I'll ask you to show me ANY data that suggests players returning kicks are more likely to sustain serious injuries... I understand that it may SEEM like they're more likely, but the truth is often different than the perceived truth.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The real question here is why the heck are people throwing around AD's touches per game when Chester missed 3 of those 5 games to injury?

Let's face it people. 42 carries is not going to be the norm. If we take the games where AD played without Chester and divide those touches by half (since that's what they've been with Chester in there) and we're a lot closer to 15 touches per game than we are to 21.

If they keep splitting the way they are, 20 touches is going to be on the high end, not the average. The average is only that high currently because AD was the feature back for 3 games while Chester was out with an injury.

 

[Avery]

Apparently, the shark pool is analyzing the Vikings running game more than the Vikings have been.

From the St. Paul Pioneer Press:

The Vikings are sticking with their running back rotation, but they made one change coming out of the bye week, keeping a running count of exactly how many times Peterson and Chester Taylor touched the ball.

"We were ballparking the first few games," Childress said.

Including one reception and four kickoff returns, Peterson had 25 touches to Taylor's 22 at Chicago, and Childress said that's roughly the ratio of distribution he's looking for in his rotation.

Considering all the hours put in and all the attention to detail that a normal NFL coaching staff commits to, how could Childress not know how many carries each back is getting especially since he has been getting asked about his use of his RBs by the press at every opportunity.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I think it's good if they split as long as Peterson is getting 20 touches. If Taylor gets 20 touches too that's fine and probably a good thing for Minnesota. If they have a game where the backs only get 30 touches though, Peterson still needs to get 20 of the 30. If Childress wants to be Peterson's coach for long anyway.

 

[The Jerk]

The real question here is why the heck are people throwing around AD's touches per game when Chester missed 3 of those 5 games to injury?Let's face it people. 42 carries is not going to be the norm. If we take the games where AD played without Chester and divide those touches by half (since that's what they've been with Chester in there) and we're a lot closer to 15 touches per game than we are to 21.If they keep splitting the way they are, 20 touches is going to be on the high end, not the average. The average is only that high currently because AD was the feature back for 3 games while Chester was out with an injury.

15-20 is the range for now, depending on how the game proceeds. If the Vikings are winning, look for the higher end of the range given more rushing attempts. Of course, the ratio can change as the season progresses, too. If the Vikings flirt with the playoffs, then perhaps Peterson's numbers increase, but I don't think they will decrease for any reason.