ADP Websites? (1 Viewer)

[TinHat]

Antsports is blocked for me

What other sites have good ADP info

Thanks

 

[TinHat]

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[Colin Dowling]

Try this one.

 

[gocats]

Try this one.

Antsorts.com

 

[Chaka]

Try this one.

Antsorts.com

This one might work betterAntsports.comNaturally our brethren here at FBG should be used as the primary source but it's nice to have options.

There is also this one MFL

Or you can check here Xpertsports

These guys too Fantasysportscentral

 

[videoguy505]

Anyone know where I can find ADPs for small-roster leagues?

My league is a 12-teamer with 14 man rosters. Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 DST. Only 6 bench spots. Most website ADP ceases to be useful after the first few rounds... when I need it most. 168 total players will be drafted, by most ADP sites only 5 or 6 Ds and only a couple of Ks are picked by then, whereas in my league 12 Ks and 16 Ds are going to be drafted. TEs go early, 2nd QBs are all gone by the 10th round, I can't hold off on the Jake Plummers and Trent Greens for too long as my #1, because they'll get drafted waaay earlier than ADP and Perfect Draft and every other resource suggests. The run on DSTs is usually in the 7th or 8th round.

It's more than just cutting off after, say, 24 QBs and 50 RBs and WRs are drafted. I can't just take a normal ADP list and delete names from the latter half, because the value of positions themselves is changed. In a normal ADP, for example, 40 RBs might be drafted ahead of the 15th QB. In my league, QB 15 is gone before the 30th RB, for example.

Most ADP sites outside Antsports don't even list the types of leagues they're basing their lists off of. A 10 team league ADP will be significantly different from a 14-teamer.

Anyone know a site where you can get data for specific league sizes and roster sizes?

 

[Chaka]

Anyone know where I can find ADPs for small-roster leagues?

My league is a 12-teamer with 14 man rosters. Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 DST. Only 6 bench spots. Most website ADP ceases to be useful after the first few rounds... when I need it most. 168 total players will be drafted, by most ADP sites only 5 or 6 Ds and only a couple of Ks are picked by then, whereas in my league 12 Ks and 16 Ds are going to be drafted. TEs go early, 2nd QBs are all gone by the 10th round, I can't hold off on the Jake Plummers and Trent Greens for too long as my #1, because they'll get drafted waaay earlier than ADP and Perfect Draft and every other resource suggests. The run on DSTs is usually in the 7th or 8th round.

It's more than just cutting off after, say, 24 QBs and 50 RBs and WRs are drafted. I can't just take a normal ADP list and delete names from the latter half, because the value of positions themselves is changed. In a normal ADP, for example, 40 RBs might be drafted ahead of the 15th QB. In my league, QB 15 is gone before the 30th RB, for example.

Most ADP sites outside Antsports don't even list the types of leagues they're basing their lists off of. A 10 team league ADP will be significantly different from a 14-teamer.

Anyone know a site where you can get data for specific league sizes and roster sizes?

Did you check any of those links I put up? All of them go deeper than 24QBs and 50RBs drafted.

 

[videoguy505]

Anyone know where I can find ADPs for small-roster leagues?

My league is a 12-teamer with 14 man rosters. Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 DST. Only 6 bench spots. Most website ADP ceases to be useful after the first few rounds... when I need it most. 168 total players will be drafted, by most ADP sites only 5 or 6 Ds and only a couple of Ks are picked by then, whereas in my league 12 Ks and 16 Ds are going to be drafted. TEs go early, 2nd QBs are all gone by the 10th round, I can't hold off on the Jake Plummers and Trent Greens for too long as my #1, because they'll get drafted waaay earlier than ADP and Perfect Draft and every other resource suggests. The run on DSTs is usually in the 7th or 8th round.

It's more than just cutting off after, say, 24 QBs and 50 RBs and WRs are drafted. I can't just take a normal ADP list and delete names from the latter half, because the value of positions themselves is changed. In a normal ADP, for example, 40 RBs might be drafted ahead of the 15th QB. In my league, QB 15 is gone before the 30th RB, for example.

Most ADP sites outside Antsports don't even list the types of leagues they're basing their lists off of. A 10 team league ADP will be significantly different from a 14-teamer.

Anyone know a site where you can get data for specific league sizes and roster sizes?

Did you check any of those links I put up? All of them go deeper than 24QBs and 50RBs drafted.

I guess I didn't explain myself well. Those resources, which I've used for years, aren't useful because they go too deep. Taking an ADP of leagues that draft 18-20 positions and trying to apply them to a league that only goes 14 rounds isn't helpful.I would expect in a 14-round draft, that the top 24 or so stay the same--RBs, a handful of WRs, and Manning. But to think that the 2nd or 3rd tier of QBs lasts until the 9th round isn't going to happen. By then everyone has drafted their starters at QB, WR, RB, TE. The top 5 DSTs are gone by the end of the 8th round.

You can't just cut off the ADP from MFL at 168 players and figure that's the ADP for a 12 team, 14-man roster league. And, you can't just count down the top 24 QBs, 50 RBs, and 50 WRs because in a small-roster league, the QBs are picked way earlier than MFL would suggest. The actual order of picks changes, like in my example; the 15th QB would be picked after the 40th RB in a standard ADP, whereas I would anticipate the 15th QB to be selected before the 30th RB in a small-roster league. All teams are picking 2 QBs, while rarely any team picks more than 4 RBs. ADP data from an 18/20-man roster league would have more RBs and WRs selected in rounds 1-5, while in a small-roster league you'd expect many more QBs and TEs in those rounds than normal.

I think you would need data from other actual small-roster drafts, and that's what I'm looking for.

 

[Chaka]

Anyone know where I can find ADPs for small-roster leagues?

My league is a 12-teamer with 14 man rosters. Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 DST. Only 6 bench spots. Most website ADP ceases to be useful after the first few rounds... when I need it most. 168 total players will be drafted, by most ADP sites only 5 or 6 Ds and only a couple of Ks are picked by then, whereas in my league 12 Ks and 16 Ds are going to be drafted. TEs go early, 2nd QBs are all gone by the 10th round, I can't hold off on the Jake Plummers and Trent Greens for too long as my #1, because they'll get drafted waaay earlier than ADP and Perfect Draft and every other resource suggests. The run on DSTs is usually in the 7th or 8th round.

It's more than just cutting off after, say, 24 QBs and 50 RBs and WRs are drafted. I can't just take a normal ADP list and delete names from the latter half, because the value of positions themselves is changed. In a normal ADP, for example, 40 RBs might be drafted ahead of the 15th QB. In my league, QB 15 is gone before the 30th RB, for example.

Most ADP sites outside Antsports don't even list the types of leagues they're basing their lists off of. A 10 team league ADP will be significantly different from a 14-teamer.

Anyone know a site where you can get data for specific league sizes and roster sizes?

Did you check any of those links I put up? All of them go deeper than 24QBs and 50RBs drafted.

I guess I didn't explain myself well. Those resources, which I've used for years, aren't useful because they go too deep. Taking an ADP of leagues that draft 18-20 positions and trying to apply them to a league that only goes 14 rounds isn't helpful.I would expect in a 14-round draft, that the top 24 or so stay the same--RBs, a handful of WRs, and Manning. But to think that the 2nd or 3rd tier of QBs lasts until the 9th round isn't going to happen. By then everyone has drafted their starters at QB, WR, RB, TE. The top 5 DSTs are gone by the end of the 8th round.

You can't just cut off the ADP from MFL at 168 players and figure that's the ADP for a 12 team, 14-man roster league. And, you can't just count down the top 24 QBs, 50 RBs, and 50 WRs because in a small-roster league, the QBs are picked way earlier than MFL would suggest. The actual order of picks changes, like in my example; the 15th QB would be picked after the 40th RB in a standard ADP, whereas I would anticipate the 15th QB to be selected before the 30th RB in a small-roster league. All teams are picking 2 QBs, while rarely any team picks more than 4 RBs. ADP data from an 18/20-man roster league would have more RBs and WRs selected in rounds 1-5, while in a small-roster league you'd expect many more QBs and TEs in those rounds than normal.

I think you would need data from other actual small-roster drafts, and that's what I'm looking for.

Gotcha!I use these only to see how players are ranked by position. I can see how this would be a problem in your league I guess maybe in the late rounds someone will be considering a handcuff sooner than in a bigger draft.

I suggest using the antsports.com site and restrict the search to 8 team drafts. That should better approximate what you are looking for.

 

[videoguy505]

Gotcha!

I use these only to see how players are ranked by position. I can see how this would be a problem in your league I guess maybe in the late rounds someone will be considering a handcuff sooner than in a bigger draft.

I suggest using the antsports.com site and restrict the search to 8 team drafts. That should better approximate what you are looking for.

Cool, at least I know I explained it well enough for someone to figure out . I'm trying to use ADP to see how long I can hold off on grabbing that 3rd WR, 1st and 2nd QB, or TE, or where I might expect a DST to fall to. I only have 2 prior drafts in this league to go off of, and both are a bit faulty--two owners on auto-pick that they didn't set up right in past years grabbed some random players at random spots. But even so, some of the "shark"-ier owners drafting live still picked top DSTs as early as the 6th round, going RB-RB-WR-WR-QB-D because there's depth to be had at the WR and RB positions later in the draft when the RB30+'s are still around in the 10th round. I'll give the 8-team drafts a look but I think it'll run into the same problems, those first 8 QBs might fall at normal slots but the second 8 will go a bit later than I'd anticpate--because in an 8 team league they're being drafted as backups while in a 12 teamer, they're starters and would be grabbed as part of the "late QB run".

At least Antsports gives you league size options, I don't know how anyone would use one of those other sites for a 10 or 14 team league, they appear to be 12s only.

Obviously ADP is highly contingent on league and roster sizes, I'm surprised no one breaks down the data this way.

 

[cr8f]

Try this one.

That one looks awful familiar.