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Adrian Gonzalez Trade Ticker (1 Viewer)
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I don't think Blanks will play first, will he? I thought he was strictly an outfielder.
Eephus
Footballguy
How many players the size of Blanks have ever been career OFs?
Regular Crust Pizza
Footballguy
I thought Blanks played 1st in the minors. He had to move to the OF due to Gonzo. Oh man what I would give for this guy on the Giants.
Eephus
Footballguy
I'm not as high on Blanks as most everybody else on this board. His strikeout rate is a major cause for concern. His current situation of playing out of position in a negative home park could lead to injuries or bad hitting habits. There's a straight line that runs from Ryan Howard at one end through Dunn and Branyan to Calvin Pickering at the other extreme. I need to see more of Blanks before putting him anywhere past the midpoint of this line.
dparker713
Footballguy
Blanks K rate in the minors was actually pretty good. He has never been a max effort swing guy. He generates plenty of power with a fairly controlled swing.All that said, I dont htink Adrian is a lock to be traded this year. He's so incredibly valueable right now relative to the contract that his price might just be too high for any team to meet. Plus, there are plenty of non-baseball reasons to keep him around.
=Smackdown=
Footballguy
Hope the Pads can keep their hometown guy like the the Twins did with Mauer.
If he gets moved my money is on him going to the Red Sox.
If he gets moved my money is on him going to the Red Sox.
harryhood
Footballguy
What sample size are you using? Ill take his 1900+ PA's in the minors, from age 18-22(1K/5ABs) instead of getting scared away from his 2009 sample size of 172 PA's in the bigs. But that is just me.
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TitusIII
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Gordon Beckham + a stud prospect(Tyler Flowers --elite catching prospect or Dan Hudson--potential #3 SP)seem fair?
Is Gonzalez guaranteed to leave the Padres after this(or next) season? Unless some team offers up a stud pitching prospect, I think the Padres should jump all over Beckham if that is what Chicago is offering/the Pads are fairly sure he is leaving or they can't afford him. I see Beckham as an elite 2B for the next decade...and while there is no doubt Gonzalez is an elite 1B right now...if he wants more than what the Padres are willing to pay, I'd gladly take one of the best young talents in the game for him.
Pretty sure both teams would be a bit apprehensive(just hpw good will Beckham be? The .280/.350OBP/20 HR guy who is a borderline all-star, or something very special, a Ryne Sandburg type that hits over .300, gets on base 35+% of the time, and 30 HR potential at a position that would give the Padres a huge advantage over 25+ other teams who trot out Yunieksly Betencourt-type bums). Of course, he could tank, but Beckham just has the "it" that even scouts find hard to describe...and regarding AG, was 2009 a bit of a fluke? Or could the man hit 50 HR"s in the launching pad known as Comiskey Park II, err US Cellular? IMO, the man puts up MVP numbers hitting next to Carlos Quentin and Paul Konerko over a full season in Chicago.
Both fan-bases probably want nothing to do with the trade(Chicago fans probably think Beckham is guaranteed to put up a hall-of-fame career and Padres homers are certainly attatched to their stud 1B who finally realized his full potential last season. But in the end(assuming the Padres can't pay AG, I think both teams benefit from the deal...Chicago in the short-term, San Diego over the long.
Is Gonzalez guaranteed to leave the Padres after this(or next) season? Unless some team offers up a stud pitching prospect, I think the Padres should jump all over Beckham if that is what Chicago is offering/the Pads are fairly sure he is leaving or they can't afford him. I see Beckham as an elite 2B for the next decade...and while there is no doubt Gonzalez is an elite 1B right now...if he wants more than what the Padres are willing to pay, I'd gladly take one of the best young talents in the game for him.
Pretty sure both teams would be a bit apprehensive(just hpw good will Beckham be? The .280/.350OBP/20 HR guy who is a borderline all-star, or something very special, a Ryne Sandburg type that hits over .300, gets on base 35+% of the time, and 30 HR potential at a position that would give the Padres a huge advantage over 25+ other teams who trot out Yunieksly Betencourt-type bums). Of course, he could tank, but Beckham just has the "it" that even scouts find hard to describe...and regarding AG, was 2009 a bit of a fluke? Or could the man hit 50 HR"s in the launching pad known as Comiskey Park II, err US Cellular? IMO, the man puts up MVP numbers hitting next to Carlos Quentin and Paul Konerko over a full season in Chicago.
Both fan-bases probably want nothing to do with the trade(Chicago fans probably think Beckham is guaranteed to put up a hall-of-fame career and Padres homers are certainly attatched to their stud 1B who finally realized his full potential last season. But in the end(assuming the Padres can't pay AG, I think both teams benefit from the deal...Chicago in the short-term, San Diego over the long.
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pollardsvision
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My money would be on the Mets. I'm sure the Sox have more to offer, but I'd have to think the Mets would be willing to do whatever it took. A New York team should never have Daniel Murphy, Mike Jacobs, or Fernando Tatis starting at first base.=Smackdown= said:
Eephus
Footballguy
There are others who are taking those same 172 PAs and projecting a .500 SLG. But back to strikeouts.27 K% in AAAharryhood said:
37 K% in MLB
He'll be fine if he keeps his strikeouts near the lower limit. Major league pitchers are better at exploiting any weakness in approach or swing. Until Blanks establishes more of a track record at this level, he's not a replacement for a proven hitter like Gonzalez.
=Smackdown=
Footballguy
Agree that the Mets should never have Murphy, Jacobs or Tatis starting at 1B but that is the ugly reality for 2010.All of them are keeping it warm for Ike Davis - who will be the starter for 2011 and beyond.While Gonzalez would be fantastic I hope they spend on SP's after this year.
Eephus
Footballguy
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Ike Davis probably isn't going to be the answer. He strikes out too much for his level and hasn't hit lefties. He just turned 23. This year will tell a lot about what he's going to be. He's still likely to be the first guy named Ike Davis to hit a major league HR--his namesake went 731 PAs without a homer for the Senators and White Sox between 1919-25.That's not really a big problem for the Mets because they can buy a 1B when they're ready to contend.
harryhood
Footballguy
Sounds easy on paper, then you have to think about the 2B that would be filling in after the trade. Jayson Nix isn't giving Chi-town fans a warm and fuzzy feeling. Pretty sure Beckham isn't heading out West, and whether you believe it or not, that has rumor has already been put to rest.
Balco
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If I were the White Sox, I would not do it. Beckham is under team control for the next several years, and will cost far less than Gonzalez. And he has tremendous value as a power hitting 2nd baseman. So I am not surprised the rumor was put to rest.I think the Orioles could be a real darkhorse for Gonzalez. They have a ton of young talent to give up, and Gonzalez would be a perfect fit for that team. MArkakis, Gonzalez, and Wieters would be a very formidable middle of the order.Obviously, I would love the Red Sox to get him, and it appears they are the favorite.
dparker713
Footballguy
The Red Sox made sense before this past offseason. Now they have Beltre and Youk at the corners, so where exactly do you play Gonzalez? He and Youk are both useful defenders. The Red Sox just dont have room.
Finless
Footballguy
Beltre is only locked in for a year. He's got a player option of $5M for 2011 with a $1M buyout. That won't stand in their way. Ortiz and Lowell are also both coming off the books and they have a clause that can make JD's contract void after this season. That's about $50M freed up.
harryhood
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Wow do Boston fans really think they are going to get Crawford and Gonzalez??? Not even close, imo.Randy Winn as a 1 year rental almost ensures Cashman is going to spend large if Crawford becomes a FA. I think Gardner's performance this year will assuredly push them over the edge to bring him in. Don't be surprised to see Gonzalez as a Pad next year either, he has a manageable contract and they can pick up his option for next season at a low price. It is AFTER the 2011 season that he will become too expensive.
dparker713
Footballguy
Thought Beltre was a club option. Still, dont think it matters that much. Sure, Youk can play sometimes at 3B, but believing he can start there everyday at this stage is wishful thinking. And Ortiz is just clogging up the DH spot, which is a waste to put either Youk or Adrian. They could swing it sure, I just dont see them with any real need or really the flexibility .
Finless
Footballguy
Not sure where to begin with this post. Youk couldn't hold down first "at this stage"
What are you trying to say? The guy is gold glove caliber. Flexibility No need You don't see the Sox with any future need for a big bat on the left side of the plate? Maybe that gaping hole that's been left by the loss of Ortiz' production.Sorry but your post doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Finless
Footballguy
I'll take straight odds he gets moved before the beginning on the 2011 season.
dparker713
Footballguy
I said Youk cant handle 3B anymore. And his defense at first is part of my point, both he and Adrian are good defenders. As for fleixiblity, Im referring to positional flexibility. You're putting 2 1B on a team and only one of them can nominally play another position. That just leaves the DH spot, and to put either of them in the DH spot will be a waste of talent and money. Getting a big lefty bat would be nice, but its hardly an imperative.Not sure where to begin with this post. Youk couldn't hold down first "at this stage"What are you trying to say? The guy is gold glove caliber. Flexibility
David Yudkin
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As debunked in another thread, the Sox DO NOT have a realistic chance to void J.D. Drew's contract.
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dparker713
Footballguy
I dont agree with that statement, and neither do the numbers.
Finless
Footballguy
Before digging yourself deeper why don't you pull out some of those numbers?In 2009 his fielding percentage with over 60 games at third was .974. Only two starting 3rd basemen had better fielding percentages.
Where are these numbers you speak of?
dparker713
Footballguy
Great, he catches the ball, but does he get to the ball in the first place.2004 506 inn, 6.8 UZR
2005 139 inn, 0.4 UZR
2006 92 inn, -1.0 UZR
2007 108 inn, 0.8 UZR
2008 252 inn, 4.8 UZR
2009 494.1 inn, -1.6 UZR
So at some point he was probably just slightly above average at 3B. However, generally there is a linear regression of defensive ability and he's on the wrong side of 30. To me, right now he looks OK at 3B, passable. A fine spot starter or backup plan. But I wouldn't construct a team with Youk at 3B as the primary option.
Tau837
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Finless
Footballguy
So who would you start at 3b over Youk? He's a gold glover.
dparker713
Footballguy
The gold glove awards are beyond worthless.
Finless
Footballguy
I dunno. I watch a bit of baseball. He passes the eyeball test at 3rd base. He's a better fielder than A-Rod and nearly a decade younger. You speak as if 30+ is old for the hot corner. I think there's a fair share of teams who would be thrilled to have Youk as their 3rd baseman. Youk is above average at 3rd, both with the bat and the glove.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
David Yudkin
Footballguy
He was a Gold Glove winner . . . AT FIRST BASE.
Finless
Footballguy
So you're going to argue he's not solid at 3rd base as well? Seriously?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
All I'm saying is that he won a fielding award at a different position. But since you asked, I think he's a better fielder at first base than at third.Last year, Fangraphs had Youk rated as tied for 5th in terms of fielding value at 1B and 10th best at 3B.
The year he won his Gold Glove, he had the second highest value of all 1B fielding wise (but didn't play enough at 3B to qualify).
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