Adrian Peterson....time to sell fellas (1 Viewer)

[rizzler]

Foster missed 3 games, and is still top 3 in non-ppr (higher in PPR?).

So Peterson should have no excuses if he misses 3. Right?

Plus, not many guys look in a position to overtake him. at all. forte and fjax are out... Lynch is on fire, so could, if AP stays out.

 

[chinawildman]

Actually my prediction was that he'd have his worst season as a pro and not finish in the Top 10. Jury is out on both.

Seriously? You've already posted admitting you were wrong, now you are reversing course... AGAIN? Please do yourself a favor and salvage some FF cred and just let this thread die.

 

[Todem]

Yeah....high ankle sprain.

Null and Void.

 

[Sabertooth]

Yeah....high ankle sprain.Null and Void.

Do you think his value will be less, more, or the same as it was this past August? If Lynch has a good game tonight, Adrian will be sitting in 10th place (PPR). Man I wish I'd stuck to my guns in this thread.

 

[ButterMan]

Man I wish I'd stuck to my guns in this thread.

I'm sorry, but this is just silly. You can't "stick to your guns" on a performance prediction and justify it with a sprained ankle.

It's like saying "Peyton Manning is having his worst season as a pro". No ####.

Total fantasy points in your PPR league is not an accurate barometer of a players value.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'm sorry, but this is just silly. You can't "stick to your guns" on a performance prediction and justify it with a sprained ankle. It's like saying "Peyton Manning is having his worst season as a pro". No ####. Total fantasy points in your PPR league is not an accurate barometer of a players value.

Well yes and no. When it comes to AP, given his running style, just about every season he's either missed or been limited for numerous games.

 

[doowain]

I'm sorry, but this is just silly. You can't "stick to your guns" on a performance prediction and justify it with a sprained ankle. It's like saying "Peyton Manning is having his worst season as a pro". No ####. Total fantasy points in your PPR league is not an accurate barometer of a players value.

Well yes and no. When it comes to AP, given his running style, just about every season he's either missed or been limited for numerous games.

Huh? In 4 years he missed 3 games. Two of which were his rookie year. I wouldn't call that numerous. And even with those missed games he's finished as a Top 5 RB.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm sorry, but this is just silly. You can't "stick to your guns" on a performance prediction and justify it with a sprained ankle. It's like saying "Peyton Manning is having his worst season as a pro". No ####. Total fantasy points in your PPR league is not an accurate barometer of a players value.

It wasn't a performance prediction so much as a value prediction. The main point of this thread was stating that Adrian's value in dynasty league was peaking and would never again reach the level that it was at in August. I waffled on that, as I did in some other threads. And that was a mistake. Adrian's value next August, or even right now is not what it was then. It won't ever get that high again.

 

[doowain]

I'm sorry, but this is just silly. You can't "stick to your guns" on a performance prediction and justify it with a sprained ankle. It's like saying "Peyton Manning is having his worst season as a pro". No ####. Total fantasy points in your PPR league is not an accurate barometer of a players value.

It wasn't a performance prediction so much as a value prediction. The main point of this thread was stating that Adrian's value in dynasty league was peaking and would never again reach the level that it was at in August. I waffled on that, as I did in some other threads. And that was a mistake. Adrian's value next August, or even right now is not what it was then. It won't ever get that high again.

Uh, so you are saying a 27yo RBs value will be lower than it was when he was 25? Not really re-inventing the wheel there.Also....that's not what this thread's premise was/is. You were advocating selling as you saw him falling out of the Top 10 RBs. So not only have you waffled on your stance as it pertains to that original premise, you are now trying to waffle on what that original premise was. This thread is going nowhere and for you to go back and forth on patting yourself on the back for being bailed out by an injury, it's pretty sad.

 

[RUSF18]

We all know it's sad, it's just comedy at this point.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'm sorry, but this is just silly. You can't "stick to your guns" on a performance prediction and justify it with a sprained ankle. It's like saying "Peyton Manning is having his worst season as a pro". No ####. Total fantasy points in your PPR league is not an accurate barometer of a players value.

Well yes and no. When it comes to AP, given his running style, just about every season he's either missed or been limited for numerous games.

Huh? In 4 years he missed 3 games. Two of which were his rookie year. I wouldn't call that numerous. And even with those missed games he's finished as a Top 5 RB.

I said "missed or been limited". He's played hurt more than most people realize and it's affected his performance.In 2007 he suffered a Grade II+ LCL sprain.In 2008 he had a hamstring injury.Each of the last three seasons he's had an ankle injury.All of them affected him significantly, if not in time missed, at least in deminished performance.

 

[snogger]

I'm sorry, but this is just silly. You can't "stick to your guns" on a performance prediction and justify it with a sprained ankle. It's like saying "Peyton Manning is having his worst season as a pro". No ####. Total fantasy points in your PPR league is not an accurate barometer of a players value.

It wasn't a performance prediction so much as a value prediction. The main point of this thread was stating that Adrian's value in dynasty league was peaking and would never again reach the level that it was at in August. I waffled on that, as I did in some other threads. And that was a mistake. Adrian's value next August, or even right now is not what it was then. It won't ever get that high again.

Uh, so you are saying a 27yo RBs value will be lower than it was when he was 25? Not really re-inventing the wheel there.Also....that's not what this thread's premise was/is. You were advocating selling as you saw him falling out of the Top 10 RBs. So not only have you waffled on your stance as it pertains to that original premise, you are now trying to waffle on what that original premise was. This thread is going nowhere and for you to go back and forth on patting yourself on the back for being bailed out by an injury, it's pretty sad.

The fact that before the injury he stated he was wrong should have been the /end of the thread

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm sorry, but this is just silly. You can't "stick to your guns" on a performance prediction and justify it with a sprained ankle. It's like saying "Peyton Manning is having his worst season as a pro". No ####. Total fantasy points in your PPR league is not an accurate barometer of a players value.

It wasn't a performance prediction so much as a value prediction. The main point of this thread was stating that Adrian's value in dynasty league was peaking and would never again reach the level that it was at in August. I waffled on that, as I did in some other threads. And that was a mistake. Adrian's value next August, or even right now is not what it was then. It won't ever get that high again.

Uh, so you are saying a 27yo RBs value will be lower than it was when he was 25? Not really re-inventing the wheel there.Also....that's not what this thread's premise was/is. You were advocating selling as you saw him falling out of the Top 10 RBs. So not only have you waffled on your stance as it pertains to that original premise, you are now trying to waffle on what that original premise was. This thread is going nowhere and for you to go back and forth on patting yourself on the back for being bailed out by an injury, it's pretty sad.

Meh. He is outside of the Top 10. His value is not getting back to where it was when I started this thread...ever. If you don't want to address these facts, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm sorry, but this is just silly. You can't "stick to your guns" on a performance prediction and justify it with a sprained ankle. It's like saying "Peyton Manning is having his worst season as a pro". No ####. Total fantasy points in your PPR league is not an accurate barometer of a players value.

It wasn't a performance prediction so much as a value prediction. The main point of this thread was stating that Adrian's value in dynasty league was peaking and would never again reach the level that it was at in August. I waffled on that, as I did in some other threads. And that was a mistake. Adrian's value next August, or even right now is not what it was then. It won't ever get that high again.

Uh, so you are saying a 27yo RBs value will be lower than it was when he was 25? Not really re-inventing the wheel there.Also....that's not what this thread's premise was/is. You were advocating selling as you saw him falling out of the Top 10 RBs. So not only have you waffled on your stance as it pertains to that original premise, you are now trying to waffle on what that original premise was. This thread is going nowhere and for you to go back and forth on patting yourself on the back for being bailed out by an injury, it's pretty sad.

The fact that before the injury he stated he was wrong should have been the /end of the thread

Yeah, how dare I question the great Adrian Peterson, right?

 

[doowain]

Solid rebuttals.

 

[geneyus]

"Meh. He is outside of the Top 10. His value is not getting back to where it was when I started this thread...ever. If you don't want to address these facts, I don't know what to tell you."

I'm in a standard non-PPR league and he's currently 5th in total points. Just presenting the facts.

 

[cvnpoka]

Meh. He is outside of the Top 10. His value is not getting back to where it was when I started this thread...ever. If you don't want to address these facts, I don't know what to tell you.

inherent in his price when you made this thread was the expected production of a perennial all pro, potential hof, 26 yr old rb. ofc his value is lower now, bc hes older. so is the value of every other rb that will be 26 or 27 next yr.

 

[Hoss Style]

You still insinuating that you were somehow "right" is unbelievable at this point. No where in your original post did you mention that injury would (or even might) be his downfall - yet you are riding that like it's what you meant all along. You said he'd be outside of the top 10 because of a performance decline (maybe related to QB play or Defense) - not because of injury. So to back up your argument you'd think that you would use the "average fantasy points per game" to do so. But that doesn't cater to your side of the discussion so you convienently gloss over that part.

I'll walk away from this thread now as it's become more of an eyesore on the frontpage than anything else.

 

[Sabertooth]

Is Jamaal Charles a top 5 pick next season?

 

[Hoss Style]

Is Jamaal Charles a top 5 pick next season?

Is this in response to my post? If so:[Edited] That can't be in response to my post. I don't see how it relates. I had something posted here but I'm pretty sure that wasn't for me so I deleted everything. Apologies.

 

[Sabertooth]

Just a general question. Not in response to a post.

 

[doowain]

Is Jamaal Charles a top 5 pick next season?

Classic misdirection.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Is Peterson's value any different right now than it was at the start of the year, other than him being a year older?

This year he was a tier 1 RB along with Foster, CJ, and Rice. Next year, he'll be a tier 1 RB along with Shady, Foster, and Rice. His dynasty ADP may drop slightly from an average of around RB2 to an average of around RB3, but to act like that has any real world difference in anything is a bit silly.

 

[Sabertooth]

Is Jamaal Charles a top 5 pick next season?

Classic misdirection.

Classic non-answer. I get a lot of that.

 

[Sabertooth]

Is Peterson's value any different right now than it was at the start of the year, other than him being a year older?This year he was a tier 1 RB along with Foster, CJ, and Rice. Next year, he'll be a tier 1 RB along with Shady, Foster, and Rice. His dynasty ADP may drop slightly from an average of around RB2 to an average of around RB3, but to act like that has any real world difference in anything is a bit silly.

He's a year older and will be coming off his worst season as a pro. He is a great illustration though of how RBs do in fact hold their value quite a bit better than other positions. I may have underestimated that fact. RBs have value precisely because they hold their value better than most positions. Andre Johnson's value will plummet. But Adrian's will only be slightly lower. Despite them both failing to meet expectations (due to injury). Trying to think of a good QB example other than Peyton Manning but I don't think he applies because he's quite a bit further along in his dynasty arc.

 

[squistion]

Is Jamaal Charles a top 5 pick next season?

Who can say this many months from the NFL draft? I have the 1.03 pick in one league but would not trade it for him and I doubt if I will even if reports are good that he appears to be fully recovering from his injury. Possibly the 1.05 since the first tier of rookies usually drops off after 1.03 and sometimes extends to 1.04, but not the 1.05.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Is Peterson's value any different right now than it was at the start of the year, other than him being a year older?This year he was a tier 1 RB along with Foster, CJ, and Rice. Next year, he'll be a tier 1 RB along with Shady, Foster, and Rice. His dynasty ADP may drop slightly from an average of around RB2 to an average of around RB3, but to act like that has any real world difference in anything is a bit silly.

He's a year older and will be coming off his worst season as a pro. He is a great illustration though of how RBs do in fact hold their value quite a bit better than other positions. I may have underestimated that fact. RBs have value precisely because they hold their value better than most positions. Andre Johnson's value will plummet. But Adrian's will only be slightly lower. Despite them both failing to meet expectations (due to injury). Trying to think of a good QB example other than Peyton Manning but I don't think he applies because he's quite a bit further along in his dynasty arc.

I was just told by an owner in one of my leagues that he wouldn't trade me Trent Richardson straight up for Adrian Peterson. I was pretty shocked.

 

[doowain]

Is Jamaal Charles a top 5 pick next season?

Classic misdirection.

Classic non-answer. I get a lot of that.

You asked a completely unrelated question in your own thread. Why would anyone answer it?Trying to skirt being wrong by asking a question that would merit it's own thread. Come on. You have to get this.

 

[doowain]

Is Peterson's value any different right now than it was at the start of the year, other than him being a year older?This year he was a tier 1 RB along with Foster, CJ, and Rice. Next year, he'll be a tier 1 RB along with Shady, Foster, and Rice. His dynasty ADP may drop slightly from an average of around RB2 to an average of around RB3, but to act like that has any real world difference in anything is a bit silly.

He's a year older and will be coming off his worst season as a pro. He is a great illustration though of how RBs do in fact hold their value quite a bit better than other positions. I may have underestimated that fact. RBs have value precisely because they hold their value better than most positions. Andre Johnson's value will plummet. But Adrian's will only be slightly lower. Despite them both failing to meet expectations (due to injury). Trying to think of a good QB example other than Peyton Manning but I don't think he applies because he's quite a bit further along in his dynasty arc.

I was just told by an owner in one of my leagues that he wouldn't trade me Trent Richardson straight up for Adrian Peterson. I was pretty shocked.

I think that probably speaks more to the value of Richardson (or the 1.01) to that team than it does to the objective value of Peterson. If a team "earned" the 1.01, that player is likely more valuable to them rebuilding than a soon to be 27 year old RB. No matter how great said RB is.

 

[doowain]

Is Jamaal Charles a top 5 pick next season?

Who can say this many months from the NFL draft? I have the 1.03 pick in one league but would not trade it for him and I doubt if I will even if reports are good that he appears to be fully recovering from his injury. Possibly the 1.05 since the first tier of rookies usually drops off after 1.03 and sometimes extends to 1.04, but not the 1.05.

I would absolutely trade 1.03 for Jamaal Charles. And not think twice about it. The overvaluing of rookie picks never ceases to amaze me.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Is Peterson's value any different right now than it was at the start of the year, other than him being a year older?This year he was a tier 1 RB along with Foster, CJ, and Rice. Next year, he'll be a tier 1 RB along with Shady, Foster, and Rice. His dynasty ADP may drop slightly from an average of around RB2 to an average of around RB3, but to act like that has any real world difference in anything is a bit silly.

He's a year older and will be coming off his worst season as a pro. He is a great illustration though of how RBs do in fact hold their value quite a bit better than other positions. I may have underestimated that fact. RBs have value precisely because they hold their value better than most positions. Andre Johnson's value will plummet. But Adrian's will only be slightly lower. Despite them both failing to meet expectations (due to injury). Trying to think of a good QB example other than Peyton Manning but I don't think he applies because he's quite a bit further along in his dynasty arc.

I was just told by an owner in one of my leagues that he wouldn't trade me Trent Richardson straight up for Adrian Peterson. I was pretty shocked.

I think that probably speaks more to the value of Richardson (or the 1.01) to that team than it does to the objective value of Peterson. If a team "earned" the 1.01, that player is likely more valuable to them rebuilding than a soon to be 27 year old RB. No matter how great said RB is.

No, he was a playoff team this year. He has Richardson because it's a league where we draft one college guy per year.

 

[doowain]

Is Peterson's value any different right now than it was at the start of the year, other than him being a year older?This year he was a tier 1 RB along with Foster, CJ, and Rice. Next year, he'll be a tier 1 RB along with Shady, Foster, and Rice. His dynasty ADP may drop slightly from an average of around RB2 to an average of around RB3, but to act like that has any real world difference in anything is a bit silly.

He's a year older and will be coming off his worst season as a pro. He is a great illustration though of how RBs do in fact hold their value quite a bit better than other positions. I may have underestimated that fact. RBs have value precisely because they hold their value better than most positions. Andre Johnson's value will plummet. But Adrian's will only be slightly lower. Despite them both failing to meet expectations (due to injury). Trying to think of a good QB example other than Peyton Manning but I don't think he applies because he's quite a bit further along in his dynasty arc.

I was just told by an owner in one of my leagues that he wouldn't trade me Trent Richardson straight up for Adrian Peterson. I was pretty shocked.

I think that probably speaks more to the value of Richardson (or the 1.01) to that team than it does to the objective value of Peterson. If a team "earned" the 1.01, that player is likely more valuable to them rebuilding than a soon to be 27 year old RB. No matter how great said RB is.

No, he was a playoff team this year. He has Richardson because it's a league where we draft one college guy per year.

Interesting.I think what I said is generally true though.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Is Peterson's value any different right now than it was at the start of the year, other than him being a year older?This year he was a tier 1 RB along with Foster, CJ, and Rice. Next year, he'll be a tier 1 RB along with Shady, Foster, and Rice. His dynasty ADP may drop slightly from an average of around RB2 to an average of around RB3, but to act like that has any real world difference in anything is a bit silly.

He's a year older and will be coming off his worst season as a pro. He is a great illustration though of how RBs do in fact hold their value quite a bit better than other positions. I may have underestimated that fact. RBs have value precisely because they hold their value better than most positions. Andre Johnson's value will plummet. But Adrian's will only be slightly lower. Despite them both failing to meet expectations (due to injury). Trying to think of a good QB example other than Peyton Manning but I don't think he applies because he's quite a bit further along in his dynasty arc.

I was just told by an owner in one of my leagues that he wouldn't trade me Trent Richardson straight up for Adrian Peterson. I was pretty shocked.

I think that probably speaks more to the value of Richardson (or the 1.01) to that team than it does to the objective value of Peterson. If a team "earned" the 1.01, that player is likely more valuable to them rebuilding than a soon to be 27 year old RB. No matter how great said RB is.

No, he was a playoff team this year. He has Richardson because it's a league where we draft one college guy per year.

Interesting.I think what I said is generally true though.

What's generally true? He prefers Trent Richardson over Adrian Peterson. That's what's interesting to me, especially considering Peterson's still young and has a proven track record of high-end production, while we don't even know yet where Richardson will be drafted. I approached him because I am rebuilding and figured I could get Richardson plus something else. I was very surprised by his response.

 

[cvnpoka]

Is Peterson's value any different right now than it was at the start of the year, other than him being a year older?This year he was a tier 1 RB along with Foster, CJ, and Rice. Next year, he'll be a tier 1 RB along with Shady, Foster, and Rice. His dynasty ADP may drop slightly from an average of around RB2 to an average of around RB3, but to act like that has any real world difference in anything is a bit silly.

He's a year older and will be coming off his worst season as a pro. He is a great illustration though of how RBs do in fact hold their value quite a bit better than other positions. I may have underestimated that fact. RBs have value precisely because they hold their value better than most positions. Andre Johnson's value will plummet. But Adrian's will only be slightly lower. Despite them both failing to meet expectations (due to injury). Trying to think of a good QB example other than Peyton Manning but I don't think he applies because he's quite a bit further along in his dynasty arc.

how is this his worse season? if anything this season validates the notion that peterson has massively high floor. bad line, horrid qb, little wr support, constantly playing catchup and his still ups his ypc compared to the last 2 yrs while avging greater than 1 td a game. he was better this season than the past 2. there is no evidence that he has declined as you predicted.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Peterson should be worth way more than any player still in college, to any fantasy team, rebuilding or not. How long are you planning on rebuilding for that you aren't looking at him as a viable nucleus player? Peterson is the guy I'd be building around.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Peterson should be worth way more than any player still in college, to any fantasy team, rebuilding or not. How long are you planning on rebuilding for that you aren't looking at him as a viable nucleus player? Peterson is the guy I'd be building around.

This team I took over is pretty dreadful and very, very old. Figured I could get multiple pieces for Peterson. Maybe I still can, but apparently not from this guy!

 

[squistion]

Is Jamaal Charles a top 5 pick next season?

Who can say this many months from the NFL draft? I have the 1.03 pick in one league but would not trade it for him and I doubt if I will even if reports are good that he appears to be fully recovering from his injury. Possibly the 1.05 since the first tier of rookies usually drops off after 1.03 and sometimes extends to 1.04, but not the 1.05.

I would absolutely trade 1.03 for Jamaal Charles. And not think twice about it. The overvaluing of rookie picks never ceases to amaze me.

Not as much as the overvaluing of players coming off an ACL injury the next year never ceases to amaze me.

 

[doowain]

Is Jamaal Charles a top 5 pick next season?

Who can say this many months from the NFL draft? I have the 1.03 pick in one league but would not trade it for him and I doubt if I will even if reports are good that he appears to be fully recovering from his injury. Possibly the 1.05 since the first tier of rookies usually drops off after 1.03 and sometimes extends to 1.04, but not the 1.05.

I would absolutely trade 1.03 for Jamaal Charles. And not think twice about it. The overvaluing of rookie picks never ceases to amaze me.

Not as much as the overvaluing of players coming off an ACL injury the next year never ceases to amaze me.

Actually, giving up the 1.03 for him is a discount.

 

[Sabertooth]

Is Peterson's value any different right now than it was at the start of the year, other than him being a year older?This year he was a tier 1 RB along with Foster, CJ, and Rice. Next year, he'll be a tier 1 RB along with Shady, Foster, and Rice. His dynasty ADP may drop slightly from an average of around RB2 to an average of around RB3, but to act like that has any real world difference in anything is a bit silly.

He's a year older and will be coming off his worst season as a pro. He is a great illustration though of how RBs do in fact hold their value quite a bit better than other positions. I may have underestimated that fact. RBs have value precisely because they hold their value better than most positions. Andre Johnson's value will plummet. But Adrian's will only be slightly lower. Despite them both failing to meet expectations (due to injury). Trying to think of a good QB example other than Peyton Manning but I don't think he applies because he's quite a bit further along in his dynasty arc.

how is this his worse season? if anything this season validates the notion that peterson has massively high floor. bad line, horrid qb, little wr support, constantly playing catchup and his still ups his ypc compared to the last 2 yrs while avging greater than 1 td a game. he was better this season than the past 2. there is no evidence that he has declined as you predicted.

let me rephrase. This will be his lowest point total of his career. Better?

 

[RUSF18]

Is Peterson's value any different right now than it was at the start of the year, other than him being a year older?

This year he was a tier 1 RB along with Foster, CJ, and Rice. Next year, he'll be a tier 1 RB along with Shady, Foster, and Rice. His dynasty ADP may drop slightly from an average of around RB2 to an average of around RB3, but to act like that has any real world difference in anything is a bit silly.

He's a year older and will be coming off his worst season as a pro. He is a great illustration though of how RBs do in fact hold their value quite a bit better than other positions. I may have underestimated that fact. RBs have value precisely because they hold their value better than most positions. Andre Johnson's value will plummet. But Adrian's will only be slightly lower. Despite them both failing to meet expectations (due to injury). Trying to think of a good QB example other than Peyton Manning but I don't think he applies because he's quite a bit further along in his dynasty arc.

how is this his worse season? if anything this season validates the notion that peterson has massively high floor. bad line, horrid qb, little wr support, constantly playing catchup and his still ups his ypc compared to the last 2 yrs while avging greater than 1 td a game. he was better this season than the past 2. there is no evidence that he has declined as you predicted.

let me rephrase. This will be his lowest point total of his career. Better?

Shocking that a guy would put in his lowest point total in the year he misses significant time due to injury. What else you got Kreskin?

 

[ButterMan]

Is Peterson's value any different right now than it was at the start of the year, other than him being a year older?This year he was a tier 1 RB along with Foster, CJ, and Rice. Next year, he'll be a tier 1 RB along with Shady, Foster, and Rice. His dynasty ADP may drop slightly from an average of around RB2 to an average of around RB3, but to act like that has any real world difference in anything is a bit silly.

He's a year older and will be coming off his worst season as a pro. He is a great illustration though of how RBs do in fact hold their value quite a bit better than other positions. I may have underestimated that fact. RBs have value precisely because they hold their value better than most positions. Andre Johnson's value will plummet. But Adrian's will only be slightly lower. Despite them both failing to meet expectations (due to injury). Trying to think of a good QB example other than Peyton Manning but I don't think he applies because he's quite a bit further along in his dynasty arc.

how is this his worse season? if anything this season validates the notion that peterson has massively high floor. bad line, horrid qb, little wr support, constantly playing catchup and his still ups his ypc compared to the last 2 yrs while avging greater than 1 td a game. he was better this season than the past 2. there is no evidence that he has declined as you predicted.

let me rephrase. This will be his lowest point total of his career. Better?

No....I won't let you rephrase. That's the ENTIRE point of this 9 page argument.

 

[Sabertooth]

Is Peterson's value any different right now than it was at the start of the year, other than him being a year older?

This year he was a tier 1 RB along with Foster, CJ, and Rice. Next year, he'll be a tier 1 RB along with Shady, Foster, and Rice. His dynasty ADP may drop slightly from an average of around RB2 to an average of around RB3, but to act like that has any real world difference in anything is a bit silly.

He's a year older and will be coming off his worst season as a pro. He is a great illustration though of how RBs do in fact hold their value quite a bit better than other positions. I may have underestimated that fact. RBs have value precisely because they hold their value better than most positions. Andre Johnson's value will plummet. But Adrian's will only be slightly lower. Despite them both failing to meet expectations (due to injury). Trying to think of a good QB example other than Peyton Manning but I don't think he applies because he's quite a bit further along in his dynasty arc.

how is this his worse season? if anything this season validates the notion that peterson has massively high floor. bad line, horrid qb, little wr support, constantly playing catchup and his still ups his ypc compared to the last 2 yrs while avging greater than 1 td a game. he was better this season than the past 2. there is no evidence that he has declined as you predicted.

let me rephrase. This will be his lowest point total of his career. Better?

Shocking that a guy would put in his lowest point total in the year he misses significant time due to injury. What else you got Kreskin?

Ok, which is his worst NFL season then? If we can't use total points, what do we use? Points per game? Points in the fantasy playoffs? Is he simply so untouchable that he cannot have a worst season as a pro?

 

[RUSF18]

You're starting to get it. You have to use his point total in a season where he missed significant amount of time in order to point out his worst season...because he is just that damn consistently great.

 

[Sabertooth]

You're starting to get it. You have to use his point total in a season where he missed significant amount of time in order to point out his worst season...because he is just that damn consistently great.

Excepting that of course he ranked 8th in points per game. I get it though. The fanboys will be fanboys. He's a very good player. He's hurt. Not his fault. He did stay in the top 10, which is pretty good.

 

[rizzler]

Peterson 2011:

Rushing Yds: 872. Worst in 5yr Career

Yards per Carry: 4.7 3rd highest in 5yr career

Longest Rush: 54yds worst in 5yr career

Touchdowns: 12 3rd best in 5yr career

Receiving Yds: 125 Tied for worst in 5yr career

Fumbles: 1 tied for best in 5yr career

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These stats show that his season was going to likely be as good or better than some of her previous years.

He wasn't regressing in many areas at all this season.

But yes. Due to injury this was his "worst" season to date. You're right.

I myself was wrong, in predicting that this would be a down year for AP... the reason why I took Foster #1 (which I clearly don't regret). That being said, Peterson was worthy of a #1 pick this season, and will again next season.

Whether or not he goes #1, is completely up to the drafter.

 

[Sabertooth]

Peterson 2011:

Rushing Yds: 872. Worst in 5yr Career

Yards per Carry: 4.7 3rd highest in 5yr career

Longest Rush: 54yds worst in 5yr career

Touchdowns: 12 3rd best in 5yr career

Receiving Yds: 125 Tied for worst in 5yr career

Fumbles: 1 tied for best in 5yr career

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These stats show that his season was going to likely be as good or better than some of her previous years.

He wasn't regressing in many areas at all this season.

But yes. Due to injury this was his "worst" season to date. You're right.

I myself was wrong, in predicting that this would be a down year for AP... the reason why I took Foster #1 (which I clearly don't regret). That being said, Peterson was worthy of a #1 pick this season, and will again next season.

Whether or not he goes #1, is completely up to the drafter.

Goodposting. In a redraft, I'd have taken him 3rd this season behind McCoy and Rice. I only play in PPR though so I figured they'd catch more balls. I also figured McNabb would last longer than he did. That was a complete debacle.

 

[RUSF18]

You're starting to get it. You have to use his point total in a season where he missed significant amount of time in order to point out his worst season...because he is just that damn consistently great.

Excepting that of course he ranked 8th in points per game. I get it though. The fanboys will be fanboys. He's a very good player. He's hurt. Not his fault. He did stay in the top 10, which is pretty good.

If being continually amazed by consistent top level production makes me a fanboy, so be it. What's the word used to define a person who refuses to admit they're wrong in the face of mounting evidence, finally admits it, and then chubs up when he realizes he now has an excuse to claim he may not have been wrong all along?

 

[Sabertooth]

You're starting to get it. You have to use his point total in a season where he missed significant amount of time in order to point out his worst season...because he is just that damn consistently great.

Excepting that of course he ranked 8th in points per game. I get it though. The fanboys will be fanboys. He's a very good player. He's hurt. Not his fault. He did stay in the top 10, which is pretty good.

If being continually amazed by consistent top level production makes me a fanboy, so be it. What's the word used to define a person who refuses to admit they're wrong in the face of mounting evidence, finally admits it, and then chubs up when he realizes he now has an excuse to claim he may not have been wrong all along?

Fisherman.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Is Peterson's value any different right now than it was at the start of the year, other than him being a year older?

This year he was a tier 1 RB along with Foster, CJ, and Rice. Next year, he'll be a tier 1 RB along with Shady, Foster, and Rice. His dynasty ADP may drop slightly from an average of around RB2 to an average of around RB3, but to act like that has any real world difference in anything is a bit silly.

He's a year older and will be coming off his worst season as a pro. He is a great illustration though of how RBs do in fact hold their value quite a bit better than other positions. I may have underestimated that fact. RBs have value precisely because they hold their value better than most positions. Andre Johnson's value will plummet. But Adrian's will only be slightly lower. Despite them both failing to meet expectations (due to injury). Trying to think of a good QB example other than Peyton Manning but I don't think he applies because he's quite a bit further along in his dynasty arc.

how is this his worse season? if anything this season validates the notion that peterson has massively high floor. bad line, horrid qb, little wr support, constantly playing catchup and his still ups his ypc compared to the last 2 yrs while avging greater than 1 td a game. he was better this season than the past 2. there is no evidence that he has declined as you predicted.

let me rephrase. This will be his lowest point total of his career. Better?

Shocking that a guy would put in his lowest point total in the year he misses significant time due to injury. What else you got Kreskin?

Ok, which is his worst NFL season then? If we can't use total points, what do we use? Points per game? Points in the fantasy playoffs? Is he simply so untouchable that he cannot have a worst season as a pro?

Gonna steal this from another FBG, but read #5.When people go into drafts next year they're not going to look at it as Adrian Peterson is coming off his worst year yet, because unlike you, they're not trying to bend and twist reality to save face in an argument. They're going to see a guy that had a ypc right on par with his career average and was scoring TDs at the 2nd highest rate of his career in spite of him playing with the worst supporting cast of his career, but missed a few games to injury.

You can try and twist and turn this as much as you want, but the bottom line is that you started this thread thinking that what happened to Chris Johnson this year (clear under-performance on a game to game basis and a massive drop in value) is what was going to happen to Adrian Peterson. If you deny that, you're lying. You just picked the wrong superstar.

 

[doowain]

You're starting to get it. You have to use his point total in a season where he missed significant amount of time in order to point out his worst season...because he is just that damn consistently great.

Excepting that of course he ranked 8th in points per game. I get it though. The fanboys will be fanboys. He's a very good player. He's hurt. Not his fault. He did stay in the top 10, which is pretty good.

If being continually amazed by consistent top level production makes me a fanboy, so be it. What's the word used to define a person who refuses to admit they're wrong in the face of mounting evidence, finally admits it, and then chubs up when he realizes he now has an excuse to claim he may not have been wrong all along?

Fisherman.

Wait...did you just call yourself a "Fisherman"?