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Advice on Situation in Kid's Math Class (1 Viewer)

Just looking for your thoughts and advice on how to move forward from here.

We're three weeks into the school year. My kids attend a small Catholic school. It's a more rural area, and the school has been operating since 1850 or so. My wife went there, here dad went there, etc.

I have twins in sixth grade. Based on last year's testing, one of my sons ended up in the advanced math class, the other in the basic math class. Two different teachers.

Last week Wednesday, my son in the advanced class came home and send his math teacher may be calling us. He said he misplaced his math homework and had to stay in from recess to work through it with the teacher. I asked him what else his teacher would say, and he had nothing to add.

We did not receive a call.

On Friday, we received an email mid day that said my son was disorganized, and that the teacher no longer wanted him in the advanced class. He was adamant that he needed to be moved to the other class. This teacher had already discussed it with the principal and other teacher.

My initial reaction was anger. The communication was very poor. Parents need to be made aware of issues before they lead to this type of action. That was not done in this case. If we know these things are happening, we can help fix it. I responded with a request for an in person meeting, which happened yesterday.

In the mean time, we talked with my son and put some rules in place to help him stay organized. In the days that followed, he received an A and an A+ on the next two assignments.

We met yesterday morning, and the teacher boiled it down to this. He's old school and hard nosed. If you can't meet his expectation, you don't belong in his classroom. It's the way he was taught and it worked for him. He came from 25 years in industry to teach for the last 5, and expects that kids are mature enough to handle this. He then went on a speech about college prep and how kids need to get on board with this now if they have any hope of attending college. This is 6th grade.

I remained calm, but pointed out that we didn't ask for him to be put in this class. He was placed there based on how he tested. I went on to say that once we heard of the issue, we made some changes that seemed to help, as evidenced by his grades since.

He went on to say he doesn't give third chances, so that's it from here. When we left, the plan was for him to go through the two part test with the advanced group to see how it goes. Part 1 was yesterday, and he got 14/15 correct. Part 2 is today.

All in all, I'm not sure how to proceed here. The guy admitted he acted out of anger because my son misplaced his assignment, though he certainly wasn't apologizing. He also seems convinced my son won't improve, and was very reluctant to keep him in the class.

The flip side is, if he gets moved down, he's going to coast. He has natural ability, but tends to coast if he's not challenged.

I guess I'm venting more than anything, but would you have done or what would you do from here? I'm really not pleased with how this was handled by the school. School's always complain about parents not being engaged, but in this particular case, we were completely excluded. I have a hard time understanding why weren't notified and asked to help rectify this.

Thanks.

 
Sounds like you handled it well and the old school teacher is giving him a second change. Not sure what other advice we can give.

 
It's a private school so their policies can be pretty much whatever they want.

That being said the teacher sounds like a tubesteak. He doesn't want to have to deal with your son and his disorganization even though this is a huge part of being a teacher. If I had the power to remove every kid that lost papers, didn't have a pencil, forgot to put his name on his paper, or did nothing all period but drool on to his over-priced RVCA t-shirt I would have about 12 kids per class.

 
Be proactive and keep the communications open with both the teacher and the principle (and the kid). Rule #1:The teacher is the boss. Rule #2:See Rule #1. He will probably face this situation again several times in his life. It won't be bad for your kid to improve his organization skills and you can help him with that. In the end, this could end up very well. Make sure you stick up for your kid. I'm not familiar with the small catholic schools but is there an administrator above the principle you can discuss this with? Usually the more proactive communication around this stuff the better. Teacher sounds like a jerk but he may just have a high standard, which in the end will help your kid.

 
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I think you did the right thing, but it's on your kid from here on out. One of the lessons kids learn in school is to deal with authority even if the authority is an ###. You saved him once but I don't think you should again.

 
Okay, having read the OP now, the teacher is an #######, and you've handled it well so far. Keep your son in the advanced class, keep working with him to stay on track, and try to use this as a life lesson for your son -- some people are just difficult and he needs to get used to that.

 
You should let the teacher know that you also have high standards and as such you're not letting him remove your child from his class. He'll need to deal with your kid for the rest of the year. How else can he be expected to learn to control his anger?

 
Teacher should be removed (but likely wont). If you are that angry, this early in the year, you don’t belong teaching kids IMO.



As for what you can do? This guy put your kid in a bad spot as he will probably be scrutinized for his work all year. Make sure your kid is being treated fairly is the best you can do. If things don’t improve, threaten to remove your kids. I don’t know how big the school is, but most catholic schools can’t afford to have tuition walk out the door.

 
Sounds like you handled it well. Maybe let your son know, look, your teacher wanted to boot you from the class because he thinks you're too disorganized. Prove him wrong.

 
When you're paying for private school, you have some say-so. I would keep pushing your kid to meet the teacher's expectations, but also in the background you should be advocating to keep your kid in the higher class which he is obviously qualifed for.

 
This is the equivalent of being cut from the varsity sports team. Tell your kid to work his butt off on the JV team and maybe he'll make varsity next year. He's not going to have the advanced class handed to him on a silver platter.

 
The only thing I'd add to what others have said is to make sure that the teacher's expectations are clear to both you and your son. A general "don't mess up again" isn't good enough in this case.

And really, if all it takes is one more missed assignment to get him kicked out of the class - well, that's just stupid.

By the way, there was more than just a missed assignment that lead up to this, right?

 
Okay, having read the OP now, the teacher is an #######, and you've handled it well so far. Keep your son in the advanced class, keep working with him to stay on track, and try to use this as a life lesson for your son -- some people are just difficult and he needs to get used to that.
This.

 
The only thing I'd add to what others have said is to make sure that the teacher's expectations are clear to both you and your son. A general "don't mess up again" isn't good enough in this case.

And really, if all it takes is one more missed assignment to get him kicked out of the class - well, that's just stupid.

By the way, there was more than just a missed assignment that lead up to this, right?
This is all the information we really have so far. He missed an assignment, couldn't find it. Also, apparently he wasn't in his seat with his book out when the bell rang. From what I can tell, it was the combination of those two things.

 
Also, they completed the second half of the test today. I just logged in to check his grade. He scored a 96%, A. I gotta believe he can handle the material. Working on organizational skills is a big thing my son. It needs improvement. I just was hoping this teacher would've handled this a bit better.

 
The only thing I'd add to what others have said is to make sure that the teacher's expectations are clear to both you and your son. A general "don't mess up again" isn't good enough in this case.

And really, if all it takes is one more missed assignment to get him kicked out of the class - well, that's just stupid.

By the way, there was more than just a missed assignment that lead up to this, right?
This is all the information we really have so far. He missed an assignment, couldn't find it. Also, apparently he wasn't in his seat with his book out when the bell rang. From what I can tell, it was the combination of those two things.
Sounds like a real delinquent. No wonder the teacher wants him gone.

 
Also, they completed the second half of the test today. I just logged in to check his grade. He scored a 96%, A. I gotta believe he can handle the material. Working on organizational skills is a big thing my son. It needs improvement. I just was hoping this teacher would've handled this a bit better.
I've taught middle school for almost 20 years. This is a big thing for the majority of kids...especially boys.

 
The only thing I'd add to what others have said is to make sure that the teacher's expectations are clear to both you and your son. A general "don't mess up again" isn't good enough in this case.

And really, if all it takes is one more missed assignment to get him kicked out of the class - well, that's just stupid.

By the way, there was more than just a missed assignment that lead up to this, right?
This is all the information we really have so far. He missed an assignment, couldn't find it. Also, apparently he wasn't in his seat with his book out when the bell rang. From what I can tell, it was the combination of those two things.
Sounds like a real delinquent. No wonder the teacher wants him gone.
Kids these days.

 
Also, they completed the second half of the test today. I just logged in to check his grade. He scored a 96%, A. I gotta believe he can handle the material. Working on organizational skills is a big thing my son. It needs improvement. I just was hoping this teacher would've handled this a bit better.
I've taught middle school for almost 20 years. This is a big thing for the majority of kids...especially boys.
I don't have your extensive experience with teenage boys, but I've met one who was organized.

 
Also, they completed the second half of the test today. I just logged in to check his grade. He scored a 96%, A. I gotta believe he can handle the material. Working on organizational skills is a big thing my son. It needs improvement. I just was hoping this teacher would've handled this a bit better.
I've taught middle school for almost 20 years. This is a big thing for the majority of kids...especially boys.
This was echoed by a few other teachers I spoke to about this. It just sounded like this particular teacher didn't want to deal with this, so he was going to pass off my son to someone else.

 
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The only thing I'd add to what others have said is to make sure that the teacher's expectations are clear to both you and your son. A general "don't mess up again" isn't good enough in this case.

And really, if all it takes is one more missed assignment to get him kicked out of the class - well, that's just stupid.

By the way, there was more than just a missed assignment that lead up to this, right?
This is all the information we really have so far. He missed an assignment, couldn't find it. Also, apparently he wasn't in his seat with his book out when the bell rang. From what I can tell, it was the combination of those two things.
Yeah, there's something to be said for starting out the school year strict and easing up a little along the way, but that's ridiculous.

A funny thing is that the consequence he had (staying in from recess to do the missing work) wasn't a bad one at all. But he didn't even give it a chance to work.

 
No, I'm just gettin' warmed up. I don't know who went to this place — William Howard Taft, William Jennings Bryan, William Tell, whoever. Their spirit is dead; if they ever had one, it's gone. You're building a rat ship here — a vessel for sea-going snitches. And if you think you're preparing these minnows for manhood, you better think again. Because I say you are killing the very spirit this institution proclaims it instills! What a sham! What kind of show are you guys puttin' on here today? I mean, the only class in this act is sittin' next to me. And I'm here to tell you, this boy's soul is intact. It is non-negotiable. You know how I know? Because someone here, I'm not gonna say who, offered to buy it. Only Charlie here wasn't selling.

 
Teacher sounds like a Richard. He's prob gonna give your boy a difficult time no matter what, just to prove whatever he thinks his point is.

 
Man in the yellow hat said:
Officer Pete Malloy said:
Man in the yellow hat said:
Also, they completed the second half of the test today. I just logged in to check his grade. He scored a 96%, A. I gotta believe he can handle the material. Working on organizational skills is a big thing my son. It needs improvement. I just was hoping this teacher would've handled this a bit better.
I've taught middle school for almost 20 years. This is a big thing for the majority of kids...especially boys.
This was echoed by a few other teachers I spoke to about this. It just sounded like this particular teacher didn't want to deal with this, so he was going to pass off my son to someone else.
This is like a kindergarten teacher not wanting a kid in her class because he can't tie his shoes.

 

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