After the Combine top rated 24 rookies. (1 Viewer)

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

I know ppr changes things a bit but in general who are your top 24 offensive rookies now.

24- (1st & 2nd round of rookie draft)

 

[cobalt_27]

 

[JohnnyU]

Nice list

 

[anakin]

1. Dez Bryant (should be #1 option wherever he goes)

2. Ryan Matthews (will probably go to the best situation)

3. Jahvid Best

4. CJ Spiller (will probably go to a RBBC and won't start immediately)

5. Ben Tate (impressive in the combine)

6. Arrelious Benn

7. Toby Gerhart

8. Jonathon Dwyer

9. Sam Bradford

10. Jimmy Clausen (bottom drops out on QBs after him)

11. Demarious Thomas (injury drops him back)

12. Jermaine Gresham

13. Joe McKnight

14. Mardy Gilyard

15. Monterio Hardesty

16. Dexter McCluster (40 time stunk, cone time didn't)

17. Golden Tate (too many drops, great 40 time)

18. Stafon Johnson

19. Damain Williams

20. Brandon LaFell

21. Andre Roberts

22. LeGarrette Blount

23. Carlton Mitchell

24. Anthony Dixon

 

[thevidon]

1. Dez Bryant (should be #1 option wherever he goes)2. Ryan Matthews (will probably go to the best situation)3. Jahvid Best4. CJ Spiller (will probably go to a RBBC and won't start immediately)5. Ben Tate (impressive in the combine)6. Arrelious Benn7. Toby Gerhart8. Jonathon Dwyer9. Sam Bradford10. Jimmy Clausen (bottom drops out on QBs after him)11. Demarious Thomas (injury drops him back)12. Jermaine Gresham13. Joe McKnight14. Mardy Gilyard15. Monterio Hardesty16. Dexter McCluster (40 time stunk, cone time didn't)17. Golden Tate (too many drops, great 40 time)18. Stafon Johnson19. Damain Williams20. Brandon LaFell21. Andre Roberts22. LeGarrette Blount23. Carlton Mitchell24. Anthony Dixon

Id push Anthony Dixon up to 12-15 if he goes to a team that has a power running game. He looked great. I would have him over McCluster regardless of situation.

 

[bigmarc27]

Tier 1: (I play in non-ppr)

Spiller, Matthews, Best, Bryant

Tier 2:

Gerhart, Dwyer, Golden Tate, Benn

Tier 3:

Bradford, Clausen, Gresham, Montario Hardesty, Ben Tate, DThomas

Tier 4:

everyone else - personal preferences.

 

[Stewy]

1. Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State

2. Ryan Matthews, RB, Fresno State

3. Jonathan Dwyer, RB, Georgia Tech

4. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson

5. Jahvid Best, RB, California

6. Demaryius Thomas, WR, Georgia Tech

7. Ben Tate, RB, Auburn

8. Montario Hardesty, RB, Tennessee

9. Damian Williams, WR, USC

10. Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame

11. Anthony Dixon, RB, Mississippi State

12. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma

13. Toby Gerhart, RB, Stanford

14. Arrelious Benn, WR, Illionois

15. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame

16. Jimmy Graham, TE, Miami

17. Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma

18. Brandon LaFell, WR, Louisiana State

19. Dexter McCluster, WR/RB, Mississippi

20. Mardy Gilyard, WR, Cincinatti

21. Dorin Dickerson, TE, Pittsburgh

22. Jordan Shipley, WR, Texas

23. Joique Bell, RB, Wayne State

24. Andre Dixon, RB, Connecticut

 

[noneother]

1. Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State2. Ryan Matthews, RB, Fresno State3. Jonathan Dwyer, RB, Georgia Tech4. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson5. Jahvid Best, RB, California6. Demaryius Thomas, WR, Georgia Tech7. Ben Tate, RB, Auburn8. Montario Hardesty, RB, Tennessee9. Damian Williams, WR, USC10. Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame 11. Anthony Dixon, RB, Mississippi State 12. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma13. Toby Gerhart, RB, Stanford14. Arrelious Benn, WR, Illionois15. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame16. Jimmy Graham, TE, Miami17. Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma18. Brandon LaFell, WR, Louisiana State19. Dexter McCluster, WR/RB, Mississippi20. Mardy Gilyard, WR, Cincinatti21. Dorin Dickerson, TE, Pittsburgh22. Jordan Shipley, WR, Texas23. Joique Bell, RB, Wayne State24. Andre Dixon, RB, Connecticut

As the owner of 10/11/12 in my 12 team ppr pre NFL draft draft. This order would suck for me. Hoping one of the 9 you listed falls BTW GREAT ranking just drop deter to 6-8

 

[gheemony]

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[JohnnyU]

1. Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State2. Ryan Matthews, RB, Fresno State3. Jonathan Dwyer, RB, Georgia Tech4. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson5. Jahvid Best, RB, California6. Demaryius Thomas, WR, Georgia Tech7. Ben Tate, RB, Auburn8. Montario Hardesty, RB, Tennessee9. Damian Williams, WR, USC10. Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame 11. Anthony Dixon, RB, Mississippi State 12. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma13. Toby Gerhart, RB, Stanford14. Arrelious Benn, WR, Illionois15. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame16. Jimmy Graham, TE, Miami17. Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma18. Brandon LaFell, WR, Louisiana State19. Dexter McCluster, WR/RB, Mississippi20. Mardy Gilyard, WR, Cincinatti21. Dorin Dickerson, TE, Pittsburgh22. Jordan Shipley, WR, Texas23. Joique Bell, RB, Wayne State24. Andre Dixon, RB, Connecticut

As the owner of 10/11/12 in my 12 team ppr pre NFL draft draft. This order would suck for me. Hoping one of the 9 you listed falls BTW GREAT ranking just drop deter to 6-8

Who is deter?

 

[Stewy]

Who is deter?

I think he meant Dwyer.

 

[doowain]

1. Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State

2. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson

3. Ryan Matthews, RB, Fresno State

4. Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois ** Will be the 2nd best WR (if not the best) in this draft

5. Jonathan Dwyer, RB, Georgia Tech

6. Jahvid Best, RB, California ** This is probably where he'll go....or even higher....but I wouldn't touch him at this pick.

7. Mardy Gilyard, WR, Cincinnati ** Really hoping the Bengals draft Mardy over Tate.

8. Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame

9. Montario Hardesty, RB, Tennessee

10. Demaryius Thomas, WR, GT

11. Damian Williams, WR, USC ** Outside of Dez, the most NFL ready WR in the draft. If he goes to a Baltimore, he moves up for me.

12. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma

13. Dorin Dickerson, TE, Pittsburgh ** Top TE for me....assuming he doesn't go to a team that needs him to block.

14. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame

15. Ben Tate, RB, Auburn

16. Carlton Mitchell, WR, USF

17. Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma

18. Toby Gerhart, RB, Stanford

19. Jimmy Graham, TE, Miami

20. Anthony Dixon, RB, Mississippi State

21. Brandon LaFell, WR, Louisiana State

22. Joe McKnight, RB, USC

23. Dexter McCluster, WR/RB, Mississippi

24. Tim Tebow, QB, Florida

The real sleeper here for me is Carlton Mitchell....if I can get him at #16, I'm ecstatic. He has the build and athleticism to be a WR1 in the NFL.

 

[Team Legacy]

1. Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State2. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson 3. Ryan Matthews, RB, Fresno State 4. Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois ** Will be the 2nd best WR (if not the best) in this draft5. Jonathan Dwyer, RB, Georgia Tech6. Jahvid Best, RB, California ** This is probably where he'll go....or even higher....but I wouldn't touch him at this pick.7. Mardy Gilyard, WR, Cincinnati ** Really hoping the Bengals draft Mardy over Tate.8. Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame 9. Montario Hardesty, RB, Tennessee10. Demaryius Thomas, WR, GT11. Damian Williams, WR, USC ** Outside of Dez, the most NFL ready WR in the draft. If he goes to a Baltimore, he moves up for me.12. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma13. Dorin Dickerson, TE, Pittsburgh ** Top TE for me....assuming he doesn't go to a team that needs him to block. 14. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame15. Ben Tate, RB, Auburn16. Carlton Mitchell, WR, USF17. Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma18. Toby Gerhart, RB, Stanford19. Jimmy Graham, TE, Miami20. Anthony Dixon, RB, Mississippi State 21. Brandon LaFell, WR, Louisiana State22. Joe McKnight, RB, USC23. Dexter McCluster, WR/RB, Mississippi24. Tim Tebow, QB, FloridaThe real sleeper here for me is Carlton Mitchell....if I can get him at #16, I'm ecstatic. He has the build and athleticism to be a WR1 in the NFL.

I like these rankings, although I think you're selling LaFell and Gresham a little short.

 

[JohnnyU]

1. Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State - Your top 3 are interchangeable.

2. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson

3. Ryan Matthews, RB, Fresno State

4. Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois ** Will be the 2nd best WR (if not the best) in this draft - Not productive enough for me. Something is not quite right about Benn.

5. Jonathan Dwyer, RB, Georgia Tech - Horrible combine, I wouldn't be surprised to see him drop to the 8-12 range in dynasty drafts.

6. Jahvid Best, RB, California ** This is probably where he'll go....or even higher....but I wouldn't touch him at this pick. - I predict he goes 1.04 in my dynasty drafts

7. Mardy Gilyard, WR, Cincinnati ** Really hoping the Bengals draft Mardy over Tate. - Ran slow at the combine. Not good for a small receiver. He drops to the mid 2nd rd.

8. Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame - Fantastic combine. Look for him to go between 1.04 and 1.07 in most PPR dynasty drafts. You have him about right in non-ppr.

9. Montario Hardesty, RB, Tennessee - He could go a little higher in non-ppr, but overall a good ranking.

10. Demaryius Thomas, WR, GT - He will go higher in most dynasty drafts in PPR leagues. Some are scared of his injury, but some aren't.

11. Damian Williams, WR, USC ** Outside of Dez, the most NFL ready WR in the draft. If he goes to a Baltimore, he moves up for me.

12. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma

13. Dorin Dickerson, TE, Pittsburgh ** Top TE for me....assuming he doesn't go to a team that needs him to block. - No way this guy goes before Gresham and Graham.

14. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame

15. Ben Tate, RB, Auburn - Tate is rising after great combine.

16. Carlton Mitchell, WR, USF

17. Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma - I predict he goes anywhere between 1.10 - 2.04 in my ppr dynasty drafts.

18. Toby Gerhart, RB, Stanford

19. Jimmy Graham, TE, Miami - Some like him more than Gresham.

20. Anthony Dixon, RB, Mississippi State

21. Brandon LaFell, WR, Louisiana State

22. Joe McKnight, RB, USC

23. Dexter McCluster, WR/RB, Mississippi

24. Tim Tebow, QB, Florida

The real sleeper here for me is Carlton Mitchell....if I can get him at #16, I'm ecstatic. He has the build and athleticism to be a WR1 in the NFL.

 

[noneother]

Who is deter?

I think he meant Dwyer.

Thanks. Yes handheld typo. Dwyer. Damn suggested spelling

 

[Go deep]

I hope i am drafting with you fellas who have Gerhart falling into the 2nd round, but some good lists anyhow.

Also, no way a RB is not the 1.1 pick in non-PPR's.

Dont sleep on Montario Hardesty, i think he will end up going in the top 6-7 picks.

 

[Donnybrook]

2. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson 6. Jahvid Best, RB, California ** This is probably where he'll go....or even higher....but I wouldn't touch him at this pick.

You would take Spiller at 2 but wouldn't touch Best at 6.

 

[doowain]

2. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson

6. Jahvid Best, RB, California ** This is probably where he'll go....or even higher....but I wouldn't touch him at this pick.

You would take Spiller at 2 but wouldn't touch Best at 6.

Not a Best fan. I don't see him as a feature back.....and I'm not paying 1.06 prices (where I can get a great WR prospect) for Darren Sproles 2.0.Spiller, on the other hand, is the real deal to me. I drafted him prior to the 2008 season in one of the Backyard Brawl leagues. He was the #2 RB prospect in the nation at that time (for me) behind Beanie Wells. That's how highly I thought of him then. I only have Dez Bryant ranked ahead of him because I see slightly less risk in Bryant. I think Spiller could still get drafted by a team that doesn't use him properly(Raiders).

 

[Donnybrook]

2. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson

6. Jahvid Best, RB, California ** This is probably where he'll go....or even higher....but I wouldn't touch him at this pick.

You would take Spiller at 2 but wouldn't touch Best at 6.

Not a Best fan. I don't see him as a feature back.....and I'm not paying 1.06 prices (where I can get a great WR prospect) for Darren Sproles 2.0.Spiller, on the other hand, is the real deal to me. I drafted him prior to the 2008 season in one of the Backyard Brawl leagues. He was the #2 RB prospect in the nation at that time (for me) behind Beanie Wells. That's how highly I thought of him then. I only have Dez Bryant ranked ahead of him because I see slightly less risk in Bryant. I think Spiller could still get drafted by a team that doesn't use him properly(Raiders).

Ok Thanks

 

[doowain]

1. Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State - Your top 3 are interchangeable.

2. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson

3. Ryan Matthews, RB, Fresno State

4. Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois ** Will be the 2nd best WR (if not the best) in this draft - Not productive enough for me. Something is not quite right about Benn. See Williams, Juice for the answer to what is "not quite right". This guy is way too underrated.

5. Jonathan Dwyer, RB, Georgia Tech - Horrible combine, I wouldn't be surprised to see him drop to the 8-12 range in dynasty drafts. This has been beaten to death on here. He's still a Top 5 pick to me regardless.

6. Jahvid Best, RB, California ** This is probably where he'll go....or even higher....but I wouldn't touch him at this pick. - I predict he goes 1.04 in my dynasty drafts Darren Sproles 2.0....Better served taking a top WR here.

7. Mardy Gilyard, WR, Cincinnati ** Really hoping the Bengals draft Mardy over Tate. - Ran slow at the combine. Not good for a small receiver. He drops to the mid 2nd rd. We already knew he was more quick than fast. See the Senior Bowl for why it doesn't matter. He was highly productive his last two years and is a football player. Period.

8. Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame - Fantastic combine. Look for him to go between 1.04 and 1.07 in most PPR dynasty drafts. You have him about right in non-ppr. If he plays for any other team than ND, he's a 2nd round pick. Come on.

9. Montario Hardesty, RB, Tennessee - He could go a little higher in non-ppr, but overall a good ranking.

10. Demaryius Thomas, WR, GT - He will go higher in most dynasty drafts in PPR leagues. Some are scared of his injury, but some aren't. This guy's ranking by others is funny to me. Dwyer gets knocked for his production in that strange offense, but Thomas doesn't? It seemed like every game was the same line 2/107/TD. GT would run it down your throat and twice a game find Thomas open on 50 yard TD bomb. His production is questionable to me. Much more so than Arrelious Benn.

11. Damian Williams, WR, USC ** Outside of Dez, the most NFL ready WR in the draft. If he goes to a Baltimore, he moves up for me.

12. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma

13. Dorin Dickerson, TE, Pittsburgh ** Top TE for me....assuming he doesn't go to a team that needs him to block. - No way this guy goes before Gresham and Graham. Personal preference. This guy is a natural receiver and would be a HUGE mismatch for LBs/DBs. He runs a 4.4. Come on....who is gonna cover him?

14. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame

15. Ben Tate, RB, Auburn - Tate is rising after great combine. He could still move up for me.

16. Carlton Mitchell, WR, USF

17. Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma - I predict he goes anywhere between 1.10 - 2.04 in my ppr dynasty drafts. That's usually where the top TE goes....but he's not the top TE for me. He could definitely move up though.

18. Toby Gerhart, RB, Stanford

19. Jimmy Graham, TE, Miami - Some like him more than Gresham. Wasn't impressed. He didn't look fluid to me running routes in the drills. Too deliberate with his cuts. Maybe I was spoiled by Dickerson.

20. Anthony Dixon, RB, Mississippi State

21. Brandon LaFell, WR, Louisiana State

22. Joe McKnight, RB, USC

23. Dexter McCluster, WR/RB, Mississippi

24. Tim Tebow, QB, Florida

The real sleeper here for me is Carlton Mitchell....if I can get him at #16, I'm ecstatic. He has the build and athleticism to be a WR1 in the NFL.

 

[Patoons]

Mine:

1. Dez Bryant

2. Ryan Matthews

3. CJ Spiller.

4. Demaryius Thomas

5. Montarino Hardesty

6. Jonathan Dwyer

7. Golden Tate

8. Jahvid Best

9. Sam Bradford

10. Toby Gerhart

11. Mardy Gilyard

12. Jimmy Clausen

13. Damian Williams

14. Ben Tate

15. Andre Roberts

16. Jacoby Ford

17. Arrelious Benn

18. Carlton Mitchell

19. Eric Decker

20. Dezmon Briscoe

21. Brandon LaFell

22. Jermaine Gresham

23. Anthony Dixon

24. Joe McKnight

Want commentary on each and top 46 rankings, I posted on DynastyGuys: go here and my blog.

ETA: I'd like this not turn in to a Spiller / Best debate - I think we covered that in EBFs thread about as much as needed.

 

[loose circuits]

There are gonna be some decent value in the 3rd round this year. Granted the pick will have holes, but there should be some decent prospects available at all positions

 

[Go deep]

2. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson

6. Jahvid Best, RB, California ** This is probably where he'll go....or even higher....but I wouldn't touch him at this pick.

You would take Spiller at 2 but wouldn't touch Best at 6.

Not a Best fan. I don't see him as a feature back.....and I'm not paying 1.06 prices (where I can get a great WR prospect) for Darren Sproles 2.0.Spiller, on the other hand, is the real deal to me. I drafted him prior to the 2008 season in one of the Backyard Brawl leagues. He was the #2 RB prospect in the nation at that time (for me) behind Beanie Wells. That's how highly I thought of him then. I only have Dez Bryant ranked ahead of him because I see slightly less risk in Bryant. I think Spiller could still get drafted by a team that doesn't use him properly(Raiders).

So other than your own personal bias, what is the difference between the two? What does Spiller do that doesnt make him Sproles 2.0 that Best does?Sproles - 5'6" 185 lbs

Spiller - 5'11" 196 lbs

Best - 5'10" 198 lbs

 

[JohnnyU]

1. Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State - Your top 3 are interchangeable.

2. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson

3. Ryan Matthews, RB, Fresno State

4. Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois ** Will be the 2nd best WR (if not the best) in this draft - Not productive enough for me. Something is not quite right about Benn. See Williams, Juice for the answer to what is "not quite right". This guy is way too underrated.

5. Jonathan Dwyer, RB, Georgia Tech - Horrible combine, I wouldn't be surprised to see him drop to the 8-12 range in dynasty drafts. This has been beaten to death on here. He's still a Top 5 pick to me regardless.

6. Jahvid Best, RB, California ** This is probably where he'll go....or even higher....but I wouldn't touch him at this pick. - I predict he goes 1.04 in my dynasty drafts Darren Sproles 2.0....Better served taking a top WR here.

7. Mardy Gilyard, WR, Cincinnati ** Really hoping the Bengals draft Mardy over Tate. - Ran slow at the combine. Not good for a small receiver. He drops to the mid 2nd rd. We already knew he was more quick than fast. See the Senior Bowl for why it doesn't matter. He was highly productive his last two years and is a football player. Period.

8. Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame - Fantastic combine. Look for him to go between 1.04 and 1.07 in most PPR dynasty drafts. You have him about right in non-ppr. If he plays for any other team than ND, he's a 2nd round pick. Come on.

9. Montario Hardesty, RB, Tennessee - He could go a little higher in non-ppr, but overall a good ranking.

10. Demaryius Thomas, WR, GT - He will go higher in most dynasty drafts in PPR leagues. Some are scared of his injury, but some aren't. This guy's ranking by others is funny to me. Dwyer gets knocked for his production in that strange offense, but Thomas doesn't? It seemed like every game was the same line 2/107/TD. GT would run it down your throat and twice a game find Thomas open on 50 yard TD bomb. His production is questionable to me. Much more so than Arrelious Benn.

11. Damian Williams, WR, USC ** Outside of Dez, the most NFL ready WR in the draft. If he goes to a Baltimore, he moves up for me.

12. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma

13. Dorin Dickerson, TE, Pittsburgh ** Top TE for me....assuming he doesn't go to a team that needs him to block. - No way this guy goes before Gresham and Graham. Personal preference. This guy is a natural receiver and would be a HUGE mismatch for LBs/DBs. He runs a 4.4. Come on....who is gonna cover him?

14. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame

15. Ben Tate, RB, Auburn - Tate is rising after great combine. He could still move up for me.

16. Carlton Mitchell, WR, USF

17. Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma - I predict he goes anywhere between 1.10 - 2.04 in my ppr dynasty drafts. That's usually where the top TE goes....but he's not the top TE for me. He could definitely move up though.

18. Toby Gerhart, RB, Stanford

19. Jimmy Graham, TE, Miami - Some like him more than Gresham. Wasn't impressed. He didn't look fluid to me running routes in the drills. Too deliberate with his cuts. Maybe I was spoiled by Dickerson.

20. Anthony Dixon, RB, Mississippi State

21. Brandon LaFell, WR, Louisiana State

22. Joe McKnight, RB, USC

23. Dexter McCluster, WR/RB, Mississippi

24. Tim Tebow, QB, Florida

The real sleeper here for me is Carlton Mitchell....if I can get him at #16, I'm ecstatic. He has the build and athleticism to be a WR1 in the NFL.

You lost me on the Sproles / Best comparison Best is a lot bigger and faster than Sproles. Sproles is 5'6" 181 and Best is 5"10" 195.

 

[doowain]

You lost me on the Sproles / Best comparison Best is a lot bigger and faster than Sproles. Sproles is 5'6" 181 and Best is 5"10" 195.

Because I only see him as a complementary COP speed back. He's not a feature back at all in my opinion. Hence, Sproles 2.0. The size wasn't an exact comparison, although they are both smallish, speed backs.Not wanting to turn this thread into the Jahvid Best show.

 

[doowain]

2. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson

6. Jahvid Best, RB, California ** This is probably where he'll go....or even higher....but I wouldn't touch him at this pick.

You would take Spiller at 2 but wouldn't touch Best at 6.

Not a Best fan. I don't see him as a feature back.....and I'm not paying 1.06 prices (where I can get a great WR prospect) for Darren Sproles 2.0.Spiller, on the other hand, is the real deal to me. I drafted him prior to the 2008 season in one of the Backyard Brawl leagues. He was the #2 RB prospect in the nation at that time (for me) behind Beanie Wells. That's how highly I thought of him then. I only have Dez Bryant ranked ahead of him because I see slightly less risk in Bryant. I think Spiller could still get drafted by a team that doesn't use him properly(Raiders).

So other than your own personal bias, what is the difference between the two? What does Spiller do that doesnt make him Sproles 2.0 that Best does?Sproles - 5'6" 185 lbs

Spiller - 5'11" 196 lbs

Best - 5'10" 198 lbs

There is no personal bias. I was merely pointing out that I felt Spiller was superior to him then....and that hasn't changed.

 

[Go deep]

2. C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson

6. Jahvid Best, RB, California ** This is probably where he'll go....or even higher....but I wouldn't touch him at this pick.

You would take Spiller at 2 but wouldn't touch Best at 6.

Not a Best fan. I don't see him as a feature back.....and I'm not paying 1.06 prices (where I can get a great WR prospect) for Darren Sproles 2.0.Spiller, on the other hand, is the real deal to me. I drafted him prior to the 2008 season in one of the Backyard Brawl leagues. He was the #2 RB prospect in the nation at that time (for me) behind Beanie Wells. That's how highly I thought of him then. I only have Dez Bryant ranked ahead of him because I see slightly less risk in Bryant. I think Spiller could still get drafted by a team that doesn't use him properly(Raiders).

So other than your own personal bias, what is the difference between the two? What does Spiller do that doesnt make him Sproles 2.0 that Best does?Sproles - 5'6" 185 lbs

Spiller - 5'11" 196 lbs

Best - 5'10" 198 lbs

There is no personal bias. I was merely pointing out that I felt Spiller was superior to him then....and that hasn't changed.

I understand you feel that way, i was just curious as to why. What is it about Best that makes you think he is no more than Sproles 2.0? Actually, if Sproles was the size of Best, i would think he would be a top 10 fantasy RB and i would gladly take him with a top 2 rookie pick this year.

 

[EBF]

I'll do a new list pretty soon.

Ben Tate, Montario Hardesty, and Golden Tate will get healthy bumps.

Stafon Johnson and Jonathan Dwyer will be knocked down.

I really hate this 2nd tier of rookie WRs (Tate, Benn, LaFell, Williams, Gilyard). I'm not sure I want any of those guys on my teams.

 

[finito]

I really hate this 2nd tier of rookie WRs (Tate, Benn, LaFell, Williams, Gilyard). I'm not sure I want any of those guys on my teams.

I am actually pretty bullish on some of these guys - I think it's a good time to have a late 1st/early 2nd round pick.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I really hate this 2nd tier of rookie WRs (Tate, Benn, LaFell, Williams, Gilyard). I'm not sure I want any of those guys on my teams.

I am actually pretty bullish on some of these guys - I think it's a good time to have a late 1st/early 2nd round pick.

Here is my list with tiers:

1	A	WR	Dez Bryant	Oklahoma State2	B	RB	Ryan Mathews	Fresno State3	B	RB	CJ Spiller	Clemson4	B	RB	Jahvid Best	California5	C	RB	Jonathan Dwyer	Georgia tech6	C	WR	Arrelious Benn	Illinois7	C	WR	Demaryius Thomas	Georgia Tech8	D	RB	Monterio Hardesty	Tennessee9	D	WR	Golden Tate	Notre Dame10	D	RB	Anthony Dixon	Mississippi State11	D	WR	Mardy Gilyard	Cincinnati12	E	TE	Aaron Hernandez	Florida13	E	WR	Damian Williams	USC14	E	RB	Toby Gerhart	Stanford15	E	QB	Sam Bradford	Oklahoma16	E	RB	Ben Tate	Auburn17	E	QB	Jimmy Clausen	Notre Dame18	F	WR	Brandon LaFell	LSU19	F	RB	Joe McKnight	USC20	F	WR	Carlton Mitchell	South Florida21	F	WR	Dezmon Brisco	Kansas22	G	RB	LeGarrett Blount	Oregon23	G	TE	Dorin Dickerson	Pitt24	G	RB	Joique Bell	Wayne State

 

[Casting Couch]

I really hate this 2nd tier of rookie WRs (Tate, Benn, LaFell, Williams, Gilyard). I'm not sure I want any of those guys on my teams.

I am actually pretty bullish on some of these guys - I think it's a good time to have a late 1st/early 2nd round pick.

Here is my list with tiers:

1	A	WR	Dez Bryant	Oklahoma State2	B	RB	Ryan Mathews	Fresno State3	B	RB	CJ Spiller	Clemson4	B	RB	Jahvid Best	California5	C	RB	Jonathan Dwyer	Georgia tech6	C	WR	Arrelious Benn	Illinois7	C	WR	Demaryius Thomas	Georgia Tech8	D	RB	Monterio Hardesty	Tennessee9	D	WR	Golden Tate	Notre Dame10	D	RB	Anthony Dixon	Mississippi State11	D	WR	Mardy Gilyard	Cincinnati12	E	TE	Aaron Hernandez	Florida13	E	WR	Damian Williams	USC14	E	RB	Toby Gerhart	Stanford15	E	QB	Sam Bradford	Oklahoma16	E	RB	Ben Tate	Auburn17	E	QB	Jimmy Clausen	Notre Dame18	F	WR	Brandon LaFell	LSU19	F	RB	Joe McKnight	USC20	F	WR	Carlton Mitchell	South Florida21	F	WR	Dezmon Brisco	Kansas22	G	RB	LeGarrett Blount	Oregon23	G	TE	Dorin Dickerson	Pitt24	G	RB	Joique Bell	Wayne State

Excellent tier breakdown, I think Mitchell and Tate have the ability to move up quite a bit.I might have bumped them up a tier or two.

 

[FTRWRTR]

You guys are forgetting what is IMO the most important reason to not go crazy over best, he's coming off a season where he suffered not one but two concussions. And that's really important because we know the more concussions a person has had in the past the easier it is for him to get another one in the future

 

[lynx4ben]

ConstruxBoy, I'm stealing your format because I think you did a great job. I'm not downgrading Dwyer that much.

Here is my list with tiers:

1 A RB CJ Spiller Clemson - This hasn't changed much.

2 B RB Ryan Mathews Fresno State

3 C WR Dez Bryant Oklahoma State - I don't think he's as low risk as people think. Also, I could be very off base but I feel his 'injury' at the combine was an attempt to hide a very slow 40 time. I think he works at it a few more weeks because he didn't want to drop his stock.

4 D RB Jahvid Best California

5 D RB Jonathan Dwyer Georgia tech

6 E WR Damian Williams USC - I like NFL Ready. Also tier E as a whole is close. Situation probably matters most.

7 E WR Golden Tate Notre Dame - & Production

8 E WR Arrelious Benn Illinois

9 E WR Demaryius Thomas Georgia Tech

10 E RB Anthony Dixon Mississippi State

11 E RB Monterio Hardesty Tennessee - I'm not buying quite yet.

12 F WR Mardy Gilyard Cincinnati

13 F QB Sam Bradford Oklahoma

14 F RB Ben Tate Auburn

15 G QB Jimmy Clausen Notre Dame

16 G RB Toby Gerhart Stanford

17 H WR Dezmon Briscoe Kansas - I'm a fan

18 H WR Brandon LaFell LSU

19 H RB Joe McKnight USC

20 H WR Carlton Mitchell South Florida

21 H RB Stafon Johnson USC

23 H RB Dexter Mccluster Mississippi

24 I Leaving 24 open to start the TE run in this order: Gresham, Graham, Hernadez, Gronkowski, Mccoy

 

[Honda]

What a lousy draft class.

 

[thevidon]

What a lousy draft class.

I can't get excited at all. I'm glad that I only hold a top 3 pick in 1 league. Even in that league I will be trying to trade it away. I'll take some shots in the late 1'st and early 2nd but I'm not hoping for much. I think I'll probably end up drafting Gerhart in a lot of leagues this year. I have him ranked higher than pretty much every single list I see people putting out. (I have him solidly in the top 10 pending the draft where he may move top 5).

 

[JohnnyU]

What a lousy draft class.

I can't get excited at all. I'm glad that I only hold a top 3 pick in 1 league. Even in that league I will be trying to trade it away. I'll take some shots in the late 1'st and early 2nd but I'm not hoping for much. I think I'll probably end up drafting Gerhart in a lot of leagues this year. I have him ranked higher than pretty much every single list I see people putting out. (I have him solidly in the top 10 pending the draft where he may move top 5).

Actually there's a lot of depth at WR, with possibly 4 or 5 WR #1s / #2s, Dez Bryant, D Thomas, G Tate, Damien Williams, A Benn, B LaFell, M Gilyard . It's also a very good draft for TEs, with Gresham, Jimmy Graham, Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Dorin Dickerson, and Garrett Graham. Not as good for QBs, but I do like Bradford over Stafford and Sanchez from last year. I like 4 RBs with Mathews, Spiller, Best, and Hardesty.

 

[EBF]

We hear this "weak draft" stuff every year. It's usually not true.

This isn't a weak draft. It's typical. There are a few elite players and a bunch of maybes.

The key as always is avoiding the busts and trying to figure out which maybes are the real deal.

 

[Go deep]

What a lousy draft class.

I can't get excited at all. I'm glad that I only hold a top 3 pick in 1 league. Even in that league I will be trying to trade it away. I'll take some shots in the late 1'st and early 2nd but I'm not hoping for much.

I think I'll probably end up drafting Gerhart in a lot of leagues this year. I have him ranked higher than pretty much every single list I see people putting out. (I have him solidly in the top 10 pending the draft where he may move top 5).

Might want to hold onto that pick, I think Gerhart will be a consensus top 5 pick after the NFL draft. Here is my take on what the first round might look like in most rookie drafts.

1.1 Spiller/Mathews (pick your poison, EBF and other "prototypical size" guys will take Mathews. Others will likely take Spiller. Im personally on the fence, and where they go in the NFL draft will let me know who i will be picking with my 1.1. I will probably select the guy who is taken first in the NFL draft.)

1.2 Spiller/Mathews (Whichever guy doesnt go 1, will go 2.)

1.3 Bryant (Maybe goes 1.1 in PPR's, but WR's are always talked about going 1.1, but RB's always end up being the top couple picks.)

1.4 Best (Would be in the running for the 1.1, if not for concussion concerns.)

1.5 Gerhart (Houston in the 2nd round? He WILL go in the first two rounds in the NFL draft, he is too talented not too, i dont care what color his skin is.)

1.6 Dwyer (I think the combine hurts him a bit, but not as much as peole think here)

1.7 Hardesty (I liked him before the combine, i think he is now a 2nd round pick in the NFL after a good combine. And yes, i think there will be a RB run through the first 7-8 picks.)

1.8 Benn (I might like him more than most, but i think he is the 2nd best WR in this draft. I think he is underrated because he is not 6'5" of runs a 4.3 forty. Its my guess he is the 2nd WR taken in the NFL draft, and this is where he will go in most rookie drafts.)

1.9 Thomas (Dont know alot about him, but he certainly has the skills to be a #1 WR in the NFL)

1.10 Tate,G (His 40 time will likely make him a late first round pick, im still on the fence, but he wont fall past this point in many rookie drafts)

1.11 Tate,B (Another back that will probably go in the first 3 rounds of the NFL, and if he goes to a situation where he could start, he will go in the first round of every rookie draft)

1.12 Bradford (I think Bradford is the real deal, he and Ryan are my two favorite QB's to come out since Eli Manning. I love Gilyard, and he wont get past me with a 11-12 pick, but i think he slips out of most first round rookie drafts.)

Chance to break into round 1:

Gilyard

Blount

McCluster

Claussen

McClain for IDP'ers

 

[Go deep]

We hear this "weak draft" stuff every year. It's usually not true.This isn't a weak draft. It's typical. There are a few elite players and a bunch of maybes. The key as always is avoiding the busts and trying to figure out which maybes are the real deal.

With the exception of the 2008 draft, which is skewing peoples judgement, this is my favorite class in the past 5-6 years. Although i agree, its is pretty typical, as far as rookie drafts go.

 

[Kleck]

1.3 Bryant (Maybe goes 1.1 in PPR's, but WR's are always talked about going 1.1, but RB's always end up being the top couple picks.)

I've been playing in PPR Dynasties for over 10 years and this is exactly the case I've found in my leagues. The only non-RB to ever go 1.01 in any of my PPR Dynasties was Mike Vick, and the only reason why the guy took Vick was because he also had 1.03 and couldn't make up his mind between LT and Bennett, but wanted to make sure he got Vick.

 

[BeTheMatch]

What a lousy draft class.

I can't get excited at all. I'm glad that I only hold a top 3 pick in 1 league. Even in that league I will be trying to trade it away. I'll take some shots in the late 1'st and early 2nd but I'm not hoping for much.

I think I'll probably end up drafting Gerhart in a lot of leagues this year. I have him ranked higher than pretty much every single list I see people putting out. (I have him solidly in the top 10 pending the draft where he may move top 5).

Actually there's a lot of depth at WR, with possibly 4 or 5 WR #1s / #2s, Dez Bryant, D Thomas, G Tate, Damien Williams, A Benn, B LaFell, M Gilyard . It's also a very good draft for TEs, with Gresham, Jimmy Graham, Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Dorin Dickerson, and Garrett Graham. Not as good for QBs, but I do like Bradford over Stafford and Sanchez from last year. I like 4 RBs with Mathews, Spiller, Best, and Hardesty.

People continue to ignore Dennis Pitta. I have him as my No. 1 TE - above Gresham. He is the most natural pass catcher of the group, has a ton of production under his belt and has the size and athleticism to keep him on the field for all three downs.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

1.3 Bryant (Maybe goes 1.1 in PPR's, but WR's are always talked about going 1.1, but RB's always end up being the top couple picks.)

I've been playing in PPR Dynasties for over 10 years and this is exactly the case I've found in my leagues. The only non-RB to ever go 1.01 in any of my PPR Dynasties was Mike Vick, and the only reason why the guy took Vick was because he also had 1.03 and couldn't make up his mind between LT and Bennett, but wanted to make sure he got Vick.

 

[Kleck]

1.3 Bryant (Maybe goes 1.1 in PPR's, but WR's are always talked about going 1.1, but RB's always end up being the top couple picks.)

I've been playing in PPR Dynasties for over 10 years and this is exactly the case I've found in my leagues. The only non-RB to ever go 1.01 in any of my PPR Dynasties was Mike Vick, and the only reason why the guy took Vick was because he also had 1.03 and couldn't make up his mind between LT and Bennett, but wanted to make sure he got Vick.

Yeah, we've had plenty of laughs from this as the years went on.The 2002 rookie draft has had some good laughs too.

1 William Green

2 DeShaun Foster

3 T.J. Duckett

4 David Carr

5 Clinton Portis

6 Jeremy Shockey

7 Donte' Stallworth

8 Joey Harrington

9 Javon Walker

10 Ashley Lelie

11 Jonathan Wells

12 Antonio Bryant

13 Ledell Betts

14 Plaxico Burress

15 Chester Taylor

16 Maurice Morris

17 Jake Plummer

18 Brian Westbrook

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I really hate this 2nd tier of rookie WRs (Tate, Benn, LaFell, Williams, Gilyard). I'm not sure I want any of those guys on my teams.

I am actually pretty bullish on some of these guys - I think it's a good time to have a late 1st/early 2nd round pick.

Here is my list with tiers:

1	A	WR	Dez Bryant	Oklahoma State2	B	RB	Ryan Mathews	Fresno State3	B	RB	CJ Spiller	Clemson4	B	RB	Jahvid Best	California5	C	RB	Jonathan Dwyer	Georgia tech6	C	WR	Arrelious Benn	Illinois7	C	WR	Demaryius Thomas	Georgia Tech8	D	RB	Monterio Hardesty	Tennessee9	D	WR	Golden Tate	Notre Dame10	D	RB	Anthony Dixon	Mississippi State11	D	WR	Mardy Gilyard	Cincinnati12	E	TE	Aaron Hernandez	Florida13	E	WR	Damian Williams	USC14	E	RB	Toby Gerhart	Stanford15	E	QB	Sam Bradford	Oklahoma16	E	RB	Ben Tate	Auburn17	E	QB	Jimmy Clausen	Notre Dame18	F	WR	Brandon LaFell	LSU19	F	RB	Joe McKnight	USC20	F	WR	Carlton Mitchell	South Florida21	F	WR	Dezmon Brisco	Kansas22	G	RB	LeGarrett Blount	Oregon23	G	TE	Dorin Dickerson	Pitt24	G	RB	Joique Bell	Wayne State

Excellent tier breakdown, I think Mitchell and Tate have the ability to move up quite a bit.I might have bumped them up a tier or two.

Thanks. Yeah, they may be due for a bump by draft time. One thing I really like, or try to do, is to keep my tiers more in line with a general consensus and then sort the tiers according to preference. I've been burned too many times by taking guys I like personally and moving them multiple tiers above the consensus. So using my current list above, if I had the seventh pick and someone took G Tate and Benn is still there, I should take him. It's risky but reasonable to take someone from the next tier, like Hardesty, Dixon or Gilayrd. But it would be dumb to take Damian Williams. I say this now, but I'll still likely make the mistake, LOL.

 

[thecardiackid]

I think I'll probably end up drafting Gerhart in a lot of leagues this year. I have him ranked higher than pretty much every single list I see people putting out. (I have him solidly in the top 10 pending the draft where he may move top 5).

I'll admit that I don't watch a lot of college ball, but what is it about Gerhart? Sure he was very productive in the PAC10 (sorry LUCKHS - but it's nowhere close to what it used to be), so how/why is he any different than Brian Leonard or Jacob Hester in the NFL? I'm not trying to be condescending here at all, just looking for some realistic opinions on why he's potentially NFL RB1 material (i.e. earning a starting role and getting ~ 20 carries/game, and then managing to somehow keep his job). Are the Gerhart fans thinking he's the next John Riggins? Cuz I can't remember the last relevant white NFL RB since then, besides Mike Alstott.Thanks, and I'll hang up and listen...

 

[EBF]

Gerhart is a lot stronger than Leonard and a lot more athletic than Hester.

I don't know that he's ever going to be a great pro RB, but he's the best "white" RB prospect I've seen since I started following the draft by far. Of course, race is a bit of a construct in the first place. Is Justin Fargas white? What the heck is Ryan Mathews?

Moot point really, but people always compare Toby to other white runners.

 

[BigJim®]

Great stuff. I noticed one draftee who was frequently listed in late round 1 of prior rankings is conspicuously absent from these. Not that I'm complaining about hopefully getting a round 3 gem.

 

[Go deep]

Great stuff. I noticed one draftee who was frequently listed in late round 1 of prior rankings is conspicuously absent from these. Not that I'm complaining about hopefully getting a round 3 gem.

If i guess, will you tell me?Give me a hint, what position?

 

[BigTex]

You guys are forgetting what is IMO the most important reason to not go crazy over best, he's coming off a season where he suffered not one but two concussions. And that's really important because we know the more concussions a person has had in the past the easier it is for him to get another one in the future

No, people are not forgetting it, just ignoring it. Don't forget he had hip surgery, elbow and I believe shoulder too. Did you notice the "none" respond to your post?But maybe all those college injuries are behind him and he'll be what most believe him to be.

 

[Barry Jive and The Uptown Five]

Gerhart is a lot stronger than Leonard and a lot more athletic than Hester. I don't know that he's ever going to be a great pro RB, but he's the best "white" RB prospect I've seen since I started following the draft by far. Of course, race is a bit of a construct in the first place. Is Justin Fargas white? What the heck is Ryan Mathews?Moot point really, but people always compare Toby to other white runners.

2008 RB 6-2 217 |4.4-40 | 4.2-SS | 33.0-VJ | 9.8-BJ | 23-225Gerhart 6-1 232 |4.53-40| 4.25-SS | 38.0-VJ |9.10-BJ | 22-225Reminds me a bit more of a 2008 bigger RB who's most definitely not caucasian