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After watching Portis last night... (1 Viewer)
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Deuce'sWild
Footballguy
I think last night was just a game to work him into the offense. I don't see any reason why Duckett would steal significant GL looks, as Portis does a good job there.
I think the offense needs time to gel. It's a new system, but a proven one. Portis started off a little slow last year too, I think. He'll be top 5 by years end, imo.
I just hope he doesn't play these mind games all year. And I hate having Tatum Bell on my bench....he's telling me to start him over Portis this week.
I think the offense needs time to gel. It's a new system, but a proven one. Portis started off a little slow last year too, I think. He'll be top 5 by years end, imo.
I just hope he doesn't play these mind games all year. And I hate having Tatum Bell on my bench....he's telling me to start him over Portis this week.
The Commish
Footballguy
I was in and out during the game. I didn't see Duckett once during the game though....it was either Betts or Portis...Portis inside the 10 for the TD
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Living up to his Week 4 of pre-season projections, but not the 1.04 pick as he was in most early drafts.
redman
Footballguy
Again, my thinking on Duckett is this: the 'Skins won't have traded a high draft pick or picks for Duckett, who will be a FA after this season just to sit him on the bench and watch Portis and his injured shoulder take a beating all year. I think they'll moderate Portis' carries this year (my best guess would be around 275) to keep him fresh, and the majority of the other carries will go to Duckett. Betts will be the 3rd down back.
Deuce'sWild
Footballguy
So you think last night was just too soon to get Duckett involved then? Seems like they would have used him if they could last night with Portis ailing.Maybe he doesn't know the playbook well enough?I just don't see it. I think Portis gets at least 80% of the redzone rushes this year. That number is just off the top of my head, to reflect that he'll get the majority of the carries inside the redzone...not Duckett
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aldelgreco
Footballguy
I'm trying my ### off to get someone to trade me Portis for L Jordan.
sholditch
Footballguy
HA! Good luck after last night.
dgreen
Footballguy
Yeah, I don't think it can be the "doesn't know the playbook" excuse. Right now, Duckett doesn't need to know the playbook. He needs to know a couple plays. I would really hope by now he knows a couple plays.
smokin018
Footballguy
If Duckett is destined for goal line work or to spell Portis, I think we would have seen him last night. And I don't think we would have seen Portis with the TD run from inside the 10.
I think the trade for Duckett is more for the future as a replacement for Betts. Plus, the way the Skins throw picks around, giving a 3rd up is no big deal to them. I think they will lock up Duckett to a deal and say goodbye to Betts when the season is over.
And yes, I am a Portis owner.
I think the trade for Duckett is more for the future as a replacement for Betts. Plus, the way the Skins throw picks around, giving a 3rd up is no big deal to them. I think they will lock up Duckett to a deal and say goodbye to Betts when the season is over.
And yes, I am a Portis owner.
Don't listen to him. Start Portis over Tatum. I have both also and Tatum has to beat 2 out of Chester Taylor, Julius Jones, and Portis to ever see playing time on my roster. (and thats coming from a Denver homer)
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Men-in-Cleats
Footballguy
I wouldn't trade Rock Cartright for Jordan right now.
watching the game last night, it seemed like Betts got a lot of toss plays, while Portis seemed to get mostly handoffs. I would think that with Portis's speed and vision, he'd do well on toss plays.
Did I miss toss plays to Portis, or could there be a reason why Portis just got handoffs? (as I was typing this, I thought maybe Portis didn't get the toss plays because he was limited by his shoulder harness - but I don't know).
Any thoughts?
Did I miss toss plays to Portis, or could there be a reason why Portis just got handoffs? (as I was typing this, I thought maybe Portis didn't get the toss plays because he was limited by his shoulder harness - but I don't know).
Any thoughts?
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dgreen
Footballguy
Don't remember if Portis' TD was a toss, but it was wide outside.I'm just not impressed with Betts anymore. The first few years, he looked like he had potential to be a solid back. Now, though, I just don't ever see him getting better. He really hasn't progressed much over the years.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
Now let me get this straight. Duckett is going to take goal line carries from Portis this year when he's healthy, I'd imagine to help keep him healthy, but last night while Portis is still alittle hurt Portis comes in for goal line carries. Does this make since to anyone? I'm still putting CP in the top 5 and maybe top 3.
jurb26
Footballguy
It makes no sense what so ever. The reason Gibbs signed Duckett is because he is a RB whore and loves depth at that position. Nothing more. Portis is the best RB on the team by far.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
That's really a fair criticism. Betts has been basically just "okay." Nothing wrong with "okay" but you don't advance very far in the playoffs with just "okay." The Skins could see it the same way....which would also explain picking up Duckett at the expense of a day one pick. They could have been totally CYA-ing the Portis situation just in case his arm was worse than expected. Going the whole season with just Betts and Cartwright wouldn't have been a lot of fun. Opportunity for Duckett arose and they took it. I could see that scenario being pretty feasible.
Skinsfansince72
Footballguy
Odd. I didn't see Duckett come in when they were down close. I don't expect I'll see it all year unless Portis gets injured. Last night would have been the perfect opportunity to put Duckett in but they didn't. THis isn't Atlanta. The goal line back is the back that's in the game between the 20's. The starter. When healthy, that starter is Portis.
The Commish
Footballguy
This is what I am trying to reconcile. I can't buy Duckett as THE goalline guy. That's not to say he won't be in there from time to time, but if he was going to be THE guy, then he would have been in that game last night playing. I can also buy Duckett as the bruiser that comes in for the fourth quarter to grind out yards if Wash is up comfortably, but I don't see him taking significant time away from Portis. Deuce'sWild
Footballguy
This is exactly what I was saying in my previous post. If there was every a time to use Duckett, it was last night. Portis will get the GL looks.Just use logic. :(
Skinsfansince72
Footballguy
No. It's makes absolutely no sense at all and it never has made sense. Portis is the Main Man on the Skins O.He won't be getting pulled for Duckett, Betts or any other player and he'll most likey get the ball in all cases where they actually run(save for a trick play here and there) from inside the 10.
redman
Footballguy
It's a valid observation, but consider that last night they were also trying to see what Portis could do and knock some rust off of him too given that he got virtually no work in any preseason games due to the shoulder. This discussion is meant, I thought, to discuss what the long term plan is. We need to watch how this plays out. I've just been giving you my best estimate as to how I think this will play out.
It was nice to see Portis get that carry at the 5-yard line which turned into a TD, but after last night, I'd propose that the Skins red zone offense (particularly inside the 10) needs major reworking. Field goals of 22, 27, and 27? As much as Saunders is loyal to his top dog there, if more TDs aren't scored in those situations, I could see Gibbs making the executive decision to get Sellers, Cooley, and even Duckett more involved down there.
That red zone offense last night sucked.
That red zone offense last night sucked.
redman
Footballguy
BTW, when you're talking about goalline backs, discussion of "red zone" carries is too broad. I'd restrict the discussion to carries from the 5 yard line or in. Last night there were two such carries, and Portis got both. It's not much of a sample size, especially this early in the season.
jurb26
Footballguy
The offense as a whole looks to be on a bit of a learning curve if you ask me. I think by week 8, this team will be comfortable in they new system and better understand their roles as players. It's a very complex O and that makes it tough to learn. I think you can easily see why the O makes Ubber Studs out of RBs even with what was a rusty performance (from both the scheme and Portis' standpoint) slowing them down. When the peices fall into place. Watch out! Portis and the Wash O will be very good.
Skinsfansince72
Footballguy
The best guess is that when they deem that Portis is healthy enough to handle the full load(which may or may not be sunday night), you won't be seeing much of Betts or Duckett.
jurb26
Footballguy
Thats pretty much what I gathered formt he game as well.
Skinsfansince72
Footballguy
Expand the sample size and check out what took place in KC while Saunders was there. Sure, the FB got a td here and there but it was mostly the workhorse back that got the gl carries. Such was the case last night.
Skinsfansince72
Footballguy
I was impressed with the Vikes last night. They play tough d and have on hell of an O line.They also have a damn good QB in Johnson. He stood in there and made some tough throws. Game would not have been as close had Williamson done a better job of catching those perfectly thrown balls. Hats off to the Vikes. They were the better team last night and deserved to win.
salmonstud
Footballguy
The real question is will Portis be limited again in Week 2, sharing carries with Betts.....or does he return to his workhorse self? Thoughts?
redman
Footballguy
The game rightfully should have been 27-24 or 30-24 or so; both teams squandered opportunities, with Williams' drops for the Vikes and the Skins having drives stall in the red zone.
I think it doesn't matter in a league where I can start 3 RBs.
redman
Footballguy
So you're comparing Tony Richardson with TJ Duckett? Seriously?
Deuce'sWild
Footballguy
He played without any setbacks. I ASSUME he'll be 100% for week 2. I will not listen to anything he says though...he's obviously trying to be cute this year with his statements. It's hard to seperate the facts from the coachspeak and such, but this is what I know...- he played full speed, didn't favor the shoulder at all.- he actually try to run through a couple of guys and dove for a loose ball, which tells me he isn't favoring it.- he said he was 101% before the game - he got the GL carries- it's a divisional game this week I say he plays, and gets 20-25 carries.
shims3
Footballguy
We should learn more about Gibbs speaks today, but I would think the offense will go back to Portis. I see him getting most of the carries and Duckett may get the short yardage. I think Betts will return kicks.
he got a good bodyslam pretty similar to what took him out in the preseason. he bounced right back up and didn't even need to get it checked out.
Skinsfansince72
Footballguy
True but the drops are on the wr .The skins stalling had more to do with what the D was doing than anything else. On that one series, the d line blew through the o line of the skins and disrupted the handoff. On that play, Portis would have waltzed into the end zone had the handoff been successful. I give that one to the d. I think that sometimes people tend to foget that the guys on the other side of the ball get paid to make plays too. Sometimes they win. Skins faced a tough d last night. They were hitting hard and making tackles in the open field. They seemed more prepared.
Skinsfansince72
Footballguy
I'm comparing the situation. No way Portis is coming out of a game for Duckett or Betts. He's the man. He was the man last night and he wasn't even playing full time. Richardson got a gl/short yardage carry here and there but we know who got the bulk of the gl work. It wasn't backup rb's. That's the way they did it in KC and that's the way they did it last night here in DC. This isnt' atlanta or NY. Skins have a guy who can do it all and he will be doing it all.
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
After they lossed this game expect Portis to be a huge factor against Dallas. I dunno about fantasy stats but its obvious the redskins need their featured back
Deuce'sWild
Footballguy
Radio snippet on WTEM this morning. Portis is doing an interview on there at 5, I'm sure he'll be asked how the shoulder is. I'll pass along anything relevant.
redman
Footballguy
I'm with you, but that was also one play. I too noted that they weren't running up the middle very much. There was a lot of respect for those two DT's, who are on the short list for best DT tandem in the league. This offense will get more crisp and effective as they play more in Saunders' scheme. The good news is that Portis is back. His presence will far better enable the team to endure the growing pains.
redman
Footballguy
I will certainly concede that as long as the team is struggling to score in the red zone, the less Gibbs will be prone to rest or ease the workload of Portis.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
That D couldn't handle Brad *friggin* Johnson. And S Taylor almost single handedly lost that game for them. If not for Williamson dropping perfect LOOONG passes - WAS should have been 2 TDs down vs. going for a game tying FG @ the end of the game. The O line looked OK, not close to "top 3".I'm a CP owner - and one that drafted him 2x AFTER the injury (but before the TJDuck news), BUT considering the injury, their conference/schedule, and the way the offense looked (Brunell inaccurate often, ?'able play calling, and throwing half his passes behind the LOS), this team won't generate enough scoring opps for him to sniff the top 3. Top 10 - yea, assuming his arm doesn't fall off.It is what it is said:
Don't get me wrong. Glad to see him on the field and somewhat productive. Last night was about what I expected (minus the D's play and Brunell struggling to maintain drives)
Men-in-Cleats
Footballguy
I would expect a team that is learning a new offense, has a rusty tailback who missed preseason, and has a couple of new WR's to struggle on offense in week 1. Wouldn't expect them to come out firing on all cylinders in week one. The fact that they moved the ball between the 20's is a good sign. Unlike StL which played similarly in week 1 they were at least able to punch it in once, albeit in a loss. They could struggle this year on offense or they could start to click in a few weeks, I'm hoping for the latter having Portis in a couple of leagues.
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Insoxicated
Duckett was brought in because Betts was dinged and on his way out the door.. while Portis, too was dinged. He was more of a future back and insurance plan than anything.
My projections for the year in WASH:
Portis - 290 carries - 1250 Yards - 11 TD
Betts - 70 carries - 320 Yards - 2 TD
Duckett - 45 Carries - 210 Yards - 4 TD
My projections for the year in WASH:
Portis - 290 carries - 1250 Yards - 11 TD
Betts - 70 carries - 320 Yards - 2 TD
Duckett - 45 Carries - 210 Yards - 4 TD
