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AG Barr Has Ordered The Federal Death Penalty Reinstituted (1 Viewer)

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ag-barr-orders-reinstatement-federal-death-penalty-n1034451

Attorney General William Barr has ordered the reinstatement of the federal death penalty after a 16-year pause, the Department of Justice announced Thursday.

Barr also directed the Federal Bureau of Prisons to schedule the executions of five death-row inmates convicted of murder, the Justice Department said in a news release.

The executions are slated to take place in December 2019 and January 2020.

 
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:confused:   Why?  If any of my family were killed or maimed by the Boston bomber I would want to see that person executed as well. This is not a partisan issue for me at all.


I mean, I'm happy to have a death penalty conversation here if you'd like. But there are plenty of reasons why the death penalty is ... bad. 

 
So does amputation in Iran.
Yep, likely part of the reason why Iran has a lower crime rate than the US.  Many people have a self-preservation inclination to curtail their criminal actions when the deterrent measure is severe.
Right. And I haven't seen a groundswell of support to bring amputation to the United States -- even though it would almost certainly reduce the crime rate.

 
We can definitely argue whether the death penalty is an effective deterrent, but it really can’t be argued that the death penalty is intended to act as a specific and general deterrent.

People still kill despite the possibility of a life sentence.  Should we also get rid of life sentences since they’re apparently also an ineffective deterrent?

 
We can definitely argue whether the death penalty is an effective deterrent, but it really can’t be argued that the death penalty is intended to act as a specific and general deterrent.

People still kill despite the possibility of a life sentence.  Should we also get rid of life sentences since they’re apparently also an ineffective deterrent?
My argument against the death penalty isn't just that I don't find it to be a deterrent though.  Making your last question irrelevant.  There has to be some punishment.  And IMO, life in prison without the possibility of parole should be that most severe.

I do, perhaps hypocritically, allow for one crime that should carry the death sentence and that is actual Treason.  (by actual I don't mean how it gets thrown around far too often).

 
None.  I do think the miss rate by the government is pretty low.   I also think 100% of the babies that are terminated are innocent.
I'm not morally opposed to the death penalty so conflating it with abortion serves no purpose for me. I am morally opposed to executing innocent people, so I'm firmly in the "none are acceptable camp". As such, "pretty low" isn't low enough for me.

We have a president who advocated for the death penalty for 5 young people convicted of a crime. Till 12 years later were completely exonerated. If Trump had his way, 5 innocent people would have been put to death.  That's not acceptable for me.

 
I'm not morally opposed to the death penalty so conflating it with abortion serves no purpose for me. I am morally opposed to executing innocent people, so I'm firmly in the "none are acceptable camp". As such, "pretty low" isn't low enough for me.

We have a president who advocated for the death penalty for 5 young people convicted of a crime. Till 12 years later were completely exonerated. If Trump had his way, 5 innocent people would have been put to death.  That's not acceptable for me.
So you are firmly anti-abortion?  If pretty low is unacceptable for criminals I would think 100% is totally gross for babies.

 
So you are firmly anti-abortion?  If pretty low is unacceptable for criminals I would think 100% is totally gross for babies.
This isn't an abortion thread. I separate the living from the unborn. I'm gonna leave it at that. But I stand by my belief that innocent *people* shouldn't be accidentally executed.

 
If the death penalty is supposed to be a deterrence for homicide, it's not a very good one. We have one of the highest murder rates in the First World.

 
This is an issue I’ve always been torn over. It’s situational for me. In most cases I am opposed. Yet in some cases (Tim McVeigh, Osama Bin Laden, Boston Marathon Bomber) I have no problem with it. But the crime needs to have been particularly vile and there can be no question of guilt. 

 
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Have I stated I'm not?   What about you?
I'm totally "pro life". I'd never encourage or participate in an abortion in any way. Not that I necesarily buy a clump of cells is human life. I'd institue tons of cheap and achievable policies like easy access to contraception and sex ed that are proven to be effective in dropping unplanned preganancies that the "pro life" folks are completely unwilling to do. But I'll be damned if I force someone else to follow my beliefs. 

You seem to want some moral consistency here but you are ok with Govt taking life but not for abortions?

 
If the death penalty is supposed to be a deterrence for homicide, it's not a very good one. We have one of the highest murder rates in the First World.
It’s not meant to be a deterrent. At least, for me that’s not a good argument. 

The argument that appeals to me is this one: that certain crimes are so vile that as a society we must punish them with death. If we don’t, then as effectively make those crimes less vile. This is a moral argument. I think I subscribe to it, but as I wrote, only rarely. 

 
I'm totally "pro life". I'd never encourage or participate in an abortion in any way. Not that I necesarily buy a clump of cells is human life. I'd institue tons of cheap and achievable policies like easy access to contraception and sex ed that are proven to be effective in dropping unplanned preganancies that the "pro life" folks are completely unwilling to do. But I'll be damned if I force someone else to follow my beliefs. 

You seem to want some moral consistency here but you are ok with Govt taking life but not for abortions?
Answered above already.   I said "none" to the question Amused answered.   

But we can do all the mental gymnastics but both sides (your favorite phrase!) are total hypocrites when it comes to human life.

 
They kill too many innocent people. Especially people of color. Dozens of people on death row have been found innocent. Without a doubt we have executed hundred if not thousand of innocent people in our nations history. Plus is is not a deterrant and its more expensive to litigate than life in prison.  

"Pro Lifers" - Meh. 

 
Answered above already.   I said "none" to the question Amused answered.   

But we can do all the mental gymnastics but both sides (your favorite phrase!) are total hypocrites when it comes to human life.
You answered "none" to my question about innocent lives. Are you saying you're really anti-death penalty?

 
They kill too many innocent people. Especially people of color. Dozens of people on death row have been found innocent. Without a doubt we have executed hundred if not thousand of innocent people in our nations history. Plus is is not a deterrant and its more expensive to litigate than life in prison.  

"Pro Lifers" - Meh. 
This is absolutely true. But in the end it’s an argument for making the death penalty much rarer, but not an argument for eliminating it altogether. Your critique is essentially one of process. 

 
death penalty to those guilty should be 100% supported and accepted IMO ... people need to understand choices and consequences IMO

sad that people choose to do things that would get them death penalty ... :(

 
death penalty to those guilty should be 100% supported and accepted IMO ... people need to understand choices and consequences IMO

sad that people choose to do things that would get them death penalty ... :(
or get the death penalty for crimes they didn’t commit

but hey #deterrent right 

 
Answered above already.   I said "none" to the question Amused answered.   

But we can do all the mental gymnastics but both sides (your favorite phrase!) are total hypocrites when it comes to human life.
Totally true since we seem to have to agree to the way you and you alone frame the issue. 

For instance:

Obamacare saved tons of lives. Where are you on that? Huh? HUH???????

I THOUGHT SO!!! Human life hater!! :drops mike: 

 

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