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3rd overall in points scored by RBs in PPR leagues.

6th overall in points scored by RBs in standard scoring leagues.

Not bad for a player many here didn't think would play again, or those that felt his "sell high" time had come and gone when his hammy was sore, or those that felt Morency would make Green virtually useless from a fantasy standpoint.

A great value for those "sharks" that drafted Green. :D

 
3rd overall in points scored by RBs in PPR leagues.6th overall in points scored by RBs in standard scoring leagues.Not bad for a player many here didn't think would play again, or those that felt his "sell high" time had come and gone when his hammy was sore, or those that felt Morency would make Green virtually useless from a fantasy standpoint.A great value for those "sharks" that drafted Green. :D
Couldn't this just stay in one of the other 106 Ahman Green threads?
 
3rd overall in points scored by RBs in PPR leagues.6th overall in points scored by RBs in standard scoring leagues.Not bad for a player many here didn't think would play again, or those that felt his "sell high" time had come and gone when his hammy was sore, or those that felt Morency would make Green virtually useless from a fantasy standpoint.A great value for those "sharks" that drafted Green. :D
Couldn't this just stay in one of the other 106 Ahman Green threads?
You mean all those threads in which you were wrong about Green? :D
 
3rd overall in points scored by RBs in PPR leagues.6th overall in points scored by RBs in standard scoring leagues.Not bad for a player many here didn't think would play again, or those that felt his "sell high" time had come and gone when his hammy was sore, or those that felt Morency would make Green virtually useless from a fantasy standpoint.A great value for those "sharks" that drafted Green. :D
Couldn't this just stay in one of the other 106 Ahman Green threads?
Absolutely not - although they should be bumped as well! :D
 
3rd overall in points scored by RBs in PPR leagues.6th overall in points scored by RBs in standard scoring leagues.Not bad for a player many here didn't think would play again, or those that felt his "sell high" time had come and gone when his hammy was sore, or those that felt Morency would make Green virtually useless from a fantasy standpoint.A great value for those "sharks" that drafted Green. :D
Couldn't this just stay in one of the other 106 Ahman Green threads?
You mean all those threads in which you were wrong about Green? :D
Only wrong about timingAnd please, pump up that YPC for the last two weeks (WARNING SIGN)
 
3rd overall in points scored by RBs in PPR leagues.6th overall in points scored by RBs in standard scoring leagues.Not bad for a player many here didn't think would play again, or those that felt his "sell high" time had come and gone when his hammy was sore, or those that felt Morency would make Green virtually useless from a fantasy standpoint.A great value for those "sharks" that drafted Green. :D
Couldn't this just stay in one of the other 106 Ahman Green threads?
You mean all those threads in which you were wrong about Green? :D
Only wrong about timingAnd please, pump up that YPC for the last two weeks (WARNING SIGN)
Should we mention the Detriot and New Orleans are in the top 8 rushing defenses based on yards allowed?Again, please tell us how the YPC translates to fantasy points? From a fantasy standpoint Green is producing.After 3 games Green has a higher or same YPC than the following:Shaun AlexanderChester TaylorKevin JonesThomas JonesFred TaylorEdgerrin JamesDeShaun FosterRonnie Brown
 
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It's still early so let's not get too carried away. I still think the main issue with Green will be whether he can stay healthy for the entire season. But so far he's looked MUCH better than I anticipated. He has regained his role in the passing game and what I liked about the game yesterday was McCarthy didn't back off the running game even though it wasn't overly successful. So Green is getting his touches and that's huge for his fantasy potential.

No question he's been one of the best values of the year so far. If he can maintain this production and stay healthy his owners will be very happy when it's all said and done.

 
3rd overall in points scored by RBs in PPR leagues.6th overall in points scored by RBs in standard scoring leagues.Not bad for a player many here didn't think would play again, or those that felt his "sell high" time had come and gone when his hammy was sore, or those that felt Morency would make Green virtually useless from a fantasy standpoint.A great value for those "sharks" that drafted Green. :D
Couldn't this just stay in one of the other 106 Ahman Green threads?
You mean all those threads in which you were wrong about Green? :D
Only wrong about timingAnd please, pump up that YPC for the last two weeks (WARNING SIGN)
Again, please tell us how the YPC translates to fantasy points? From a fantasy standpoint Green is producing.After 3 games Green has a higher or same YPC than the following:Shaun AlexanderChester TaylorKevin JonesThomas JonesFred TaylorEdgerrin JamesDeShaun FosterRonnie Brown
You know what I see there?8 names I'd consider selling too since they all have the same WARNING SIGN.SA is the big one. I have him in one league and looking to get away while I still can.
 
It's still early so let's not get too carried away. I still think the main issue with Green will be whether he can stay healthy for the entire season. But so far he's looked MUCH better than I anticipated. He has regained his role in the passing game and what I liked about the game yesterday was McCarthy didn't back off the running game even though it wasn't overly successful. So Green is getting his touches and that's huge for his fantasy potential.No question he's been one of the best values of the year so far. If he can maintain this production and stay healthy his owners will be very happy when it's all said and done.
Agreed on all points 100% :thumbup:
 
It's still early so let's not get too carried away. I still think the main issue with Green will be whether he can stay healthy for the entire season. But so far he's looked MUCH better than I anticipated. He has regained his role in the passing game and what I liked about the game yesterday was McCarthy didn't back off the running game even though it wasn't overly successful. So Green is getting his touches and that's huge for his fantasy potential.No question he's been one of the best values of the year so far. If he can maintain this production and stay healthy his owners will be very happy when it's all said and done.
Agreed on all points 100% :thumbup:
Except that point on Morency making Green virtually useless from a fantasy standpoint. :yes:
 
I wish we had a more clear picture of his hammy going into this week - I am sure many others along with me sat him and missed out on a very solid fantasy performance.

 
It's still early so let's not get too carried away. I still think the main issue with Green will be whether he can stay healthy for the entire season. But so far he's looked MUCH better than I anticipated. He has regained his role in the passing game and what I liked about the game yesterday was McCarthy didn't back off the running game even though it wasn't overly successful. So Green is getting his touches and that's huge for his fantasy potential.No question he's been one of the best values of the year so far. If he can maintain this production and stay healthy his owners will be very happy when it's all said and done.
Agreed on all points 100% :thumbup:
Except that point on Morency making Green virtually useless from a fantasy standpoint. :yes:
When did I ever say that?
 
It's still early so let's not get too carried away. I still think the main issue with Green will be whether he can stay healthy for the entire season. But so far he's looked MUCH better than I anticipated. He has regained his role in the passing game and what I liked about the game yesterday was McCarthy didn't back off the running game even though it wasn't overly successful. So Green is getting his touches and that's huge for his fantasy potential.No question he's been one of the best values of the year so far. If he can maintain this production and stay healthy his owners will be very happy when it's all said and done.
Agreed on all points 100% :thumbup:
Except that point on Morency making Green virtually useless from a fantasy standpoint. :yes:
When did I ever say that?
You didn't. Big Score did last week.
 
I wish we had a more clear picture of his hammy going into this week - I am sure many others along with me sat him and missed out on a very solid fantasy performance.
I sat him as well for fear of the hammy & Morency vulturing touches. Luckily sitting Green didn't hurt me and even better, I did NOT see Morency stealing opportunities so it looks like that situation is resolved. Green should be good to go barring injury :thumbup:

 
It's still early so let's not get too carried away. I still think the main issue with Green will be whether he can stay healthy for the entire season. But so far he's looked MUCH better than I anticipated. He has regained his role in the passing game and what I liked about the game yesterday was McCarthy didn't back off the running game even though it wasn't overly successful. So Green is getting his touches and that's huge for his fantasy potential.No question he's been one of the best values of the year so far. If he can maintain this production and stay healthy his owners will be very happy when it's all said and done.
Agreed on all points 100% :thumbup:
Except that point on Morency making Green virtually useless from a fantasy standpoint. :yes:
When did I ever say that?
packersfan,He's not talking to you. He's bringing up what was said in another thread, where I was concerned Mornecy would vulture Greens 3rd down / pass catching duties.
 
I wish we had a more clear picture of his hammy going into this week - I am sure many others along with me sat him and missed out on a very solid fantasy performance.
I sat him as well for fear of the hammy & Morency vulturing touches. Luckily sitting Green didn't hurt me and even better, I did NOT see Morency stealing opportunities so it looks like that situation is resolved. Green should be good to go barring injury :thumbup:
Morency and Herron did play yesterday in some 3rd down and passing situations and it didn't affect Green's production just like when Fisher and Davenport where there.
 
It's still early so let's not get too carried away. I still think the main issue with Green will be whether he can stay healthy for the entire season. But so far he's looked MUCH better than I anticipated. He has regained his role in the passing game and what I liked about the game yesterday was McCarthy didn't back off the running game even though it wasn't overly successful. So Green is getting his touches and that's huge for his fantasy potential.No question he's been one of the best values of the year so far. If he can maintain this production and stay healthy his owners will be very happy when it's all said and done.
Agreed on all points 100% :thumbup:
Except that point on Morency making Green virtually useless from a fantasy standpoint. :yes:
When did I ever say that?
packersfan,He's not talking to you. He's bringing up what was said in another thread, where I was concerned Mornecy would vulture Greens 3rd down / pass catching duties.
Got it. I still think Morency is going to have a role in this offense before it's all said and done. The smart move in my opinion would be to keep Green fresh and that means not overtaxing him early in the season. I still think Morency emerges in a role similar to what Tony Fisher had the last couple of seasons.
 
I just wish he'd hang onto the fricken ball. His fumble ultimately cost them the Saints game and his fumble trying to run out the clock yesterday could've cost them that game too. Unfortunately it seems like he's close to his pre-injury form in all facets of his game.

 
I wish we had a more clear picture of his hammy going into this week - I am sure many others along with me sat him and missed out on a very solid fantasy performance.
For me, I wasn't really considering benching him. From the start, if you read the actual articles reporting the injury, all of them said it was a "flare up" at the end of practice on Friday, and that he was kept out on Saturday as a precaution. He was declared active fairly early, at least an hour before the game.
 
I just wish he'd hang onto the fricken ball. His fumble ultimately cost them the Saints game and his fumble trying to run out the clock yesterday could've cost them that game too. Unfortunately it seems like he's close to his pre-injury form in all facets of his game.
********please move along....nothing to see here but yet another detractor stating the obvious!!!!********just saving FLA\/\/ED some keystrokes
 
A great value for those "sharks" that drafted Green. :D
No doubt.Do you see him retaining this value throughout the year?homerism aside
If he can stay healthy, he will continue to produce. The offensive line has struggled to open holes for Green. The line has shown some signs of improving. Green is running hard and does look good. Green is still a weapon catching the ball out of the backfield and that is an area where he will make up for any YPC concerns. I think it also makes sense for owners to test the waters now and see what they can get for Green. I don't think the sell high time has come but it doesn' hurt to see if someone is ready to overpay for his services condsidering his ADP.
 
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I just wish he'd hang onto the fricken ball. His fumble ultimately cost them the Saints game and his fumble trying to run out the clock yesterday could've cost them that game too. Unfortunately it seems like he's close to his pre-injury form in all facets of his game.
********please move along....nothing to see here but yet another detractor stating the obvious!!!!********just saving FLA\/\/ED some keystrokes
:rolleyes:
 
I just wish he'd hang onto the fricken ball. His fumble ultimately cost them the Saints game and his fumble trying to run out the clock yesterday could've cost them that game too. Unfortunately it seems like he's close to his pre-injury form in all facets of his game.
he seems to struggle in September with holding on to the ball. in the past they've blamed it on sweat. who knows. can anyone find a stat that breaks down his fumbling by month?
 
It's still early so let's not get too carried away. I still think the main issue with Green will be whether he can stay healthy for the entire season. But so far he's looked MUCH better than I anticipated. He has regained his role in the passing game and what I liked about the game yesterday was McCarthy didn't back off the running game even though it wasn't overly successful. So Green is getting his touches and that's huge for his fantasy potential.

No question he's been one of the best values of the year so far. If he can maintain this production and stay healthy his owners will be very happy when it's all said and done.
Agreed on all points 100% :thumbup:
Except that point on Morency making Green virtually useless from a fantasy standpoint. :yes:
When did I ever say that?
packersfan,He's not talking to you.

He's bringing up what was said in another thread, where I was concerned Mornecy would vulture Greens 3rd down / pass catching duties.
Got it. I still think Morency is going to have a role in this offense before it's all said and done. The smart move in my opinion would be to keep Green fresh and that means not overtaxing him early in the season. I still think Morency emerges in a role similar to what Tony Fisher had the last couple of seasons.
I understand what you're saying about not over taxing Green, but to me, a Coach needs to play his best position players, unless the team is in a blowout. Pulling your best guys in a tight game, to sub in a lesser role player just to play it safe with your top gun, seems similar to "playing not to lose" instead of "playing to win".

Sherman did that crap all the time.

Seemed to me that he fell in love with the notion of a specialist for this situation & a specialist for that situation. Often times Sherman ended up putting his difference makers on the bench for a sub par position player, just to satisfy his desire for specialization role players.

I was concerned that McCarthy was going to follow that same game plan when they traded for Morency and both he & Thompson said that would Morency's role.

From this past game though, it looks like it just so much Coach / GM speak....and I hope it remains that way!

My only other concern, is that Green was offered & signed a fairly blah 1 year contract as far as base pay & signing bonus goes. It IS heavily incentive laden though. I hope Thompson / McCarthy are going to allow Green earn those incentives.

It would be a really chitty thing for them to do, if it's looking like Green is going to hit those incentives and they start working Morency in more & more, just to make sure they siphon away enough touches so Green misses out.

 
It's still early so let's not get too carried away. I still think the main issue with Green will be whether he can stay healthy for the entire season. But so far he's looked MUCH better than I anticipated. He has regained his role in the passing game and what I liked about the game yesterday was McCarthy didn't back off the running game even though it wasn't overly successful. So Green is getting his touches and that's huge for his fantasy potential.

No question he's been one of the best values of the year so far. If he can maintain this production and stay healthy his owners will be very happy when it's all said and done.
Agreed on all points 100% :thumbup:
Except that point on Morency making Green virtually useless from a fantasy standpoint. :yes:
When did I ever say that?
packersfan,He's not talking to you.

He's bringing up what was said in another thread, where I was concerned Mornecy would vulture Greens 3rd down / pass catching duties.
Got it. I still think Morency is going to have a role in this offense before it's all said and done. The smart move in my opinion would be to keep Green fresh and that means not overtaxing him early in the season. I still think Morency emerges in a role similar to what Tony Fisher had the last couple of seasons.
I understand what you're saying about not over taxing Green, but to me, a Coach needs to play his best position players, unless the team is in a blowout. Pulling your best guys in a tight game, to sub in a lesser role player just to play it safe with your top gun, seems similar to "playing not to lose" instead of "playing to win".

Sherman did that crap all the time.

Seemed to me that he fell in love with the notion of a specialist for this situation & a specialist for that situation. Often times Sherman ended up putting his difference makers on the bench for a sub par position player, just to satisfy his desire for specialization role players.

I was concerned that McCarthy was going to follow that same game plan when they traded for Morency and both he & Thompson said that would Morency's role.

From this past game though, it looks like it just so much Coach / GM speak....and I hope it remains that way!

My only other concern, is that Green was offered & signed a fairly blah 1 year contract as far as base pay & signing bonus goes. It IS heavily incentive laden though. I hope Thompson / McCarthy are going to allow Green earn those incentives.

It would be a really chitty thing for them to do, if it's looking like Green is going to hit those incentives and they start working Morency in more & more, just to make sure they siphon away enough touches so Green misses out.
We've had this discussion before I believe. :) I see your point but I still think the best way to make sure your best players are able to perform at their highest level when you need them is to ensure they are healthy and fresh throughout the season. In my opinion, that is especially true with a RB getting up there in age (by NFL standards) and coming off a possibly career-ending injury.I don't think knocking a few touches off Green's count will hurt the Packers if (and this is the key question) Morency has the talent to contribute. If he doesn't, then Green gets a ton and we all (as Packer fans) hope he can stay healthy for the entire season. But keep in mind Green has always had to come out for periods of time during games due to his asthma condition so I'm not suggesting something new or foreign to the team.

The RB position is such a difficult position to play in terms of the punishment these guys take. I don't have a problem reducing the workload a bit if it means Green will be running as hard and effective in December as he has been (in my opinion) thus far in September.

 
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I wish we had a more clear picture of his hammy going into this week - I am sure many others along with me sat him and missed out on a very solid fantasy performance.
:wall: Count me in those who sat him ... played Caddy in one league and Tatum in another over Green (at least neither were terrible). Last week offered Green around in a league where I was desparate for WR help and a few teams have virtually no 2nd RB ... I had Ronnie Brown, SJax and Ahman so felt I could move one but wanted to trade Green. Had no takers so traded SJax instead (for Wayne and Caddy), which is looking great now.
 
It's still early so let's not get too carried away. I still think the main issue with Green will be whether he can stay healthy for the entire season. But so far he's looked MUCH better than I anticipated. He has regained his role in the passing game and what I liked about the game yesterday was McCarthy didn't back off the running game even though it wasn't overly successful. So Green is getting his touches and that's huge for his fantasy potential.

No question he's been one of the best values of the year so far. If he can maintain this production and stay healthy his owners will be very happy when it's all said and done.
Agreed on all points 100% :thumbup:
Except that point on Morency making Green virtually useless from a fantasy standpoint. :yes:
When did I ever say that?
packersfan,He's not talking to you.

He's bringing up what was said in another thread, where I was concerned Mornecy would vulture Greens 3rd down / pass catching duties.
Got it. I still think Morency is going to have a role in this offense before it's all said and done. The smart move in my opinion would be to keep Green fresh and that means not overtaxing him early in the season. I still think Morency emerges in a role similar to what Tony Fisher had the last couple of seasons.
I understand what you're saying about not over taxing Green, but to me, a Coach needs to play his best position players, unless the team is in a blowout. Pulling your best guys in a tight game, to sub in a lesser role player just to play it safe with your top gun, seems similar to "playing not to lose" instead of "playing to win".

Sherman did that crap all the time.

Seemed to me that he fell in love with the notion of a specialist for this situation & a specialist for that situation. Often times Sherman ended up putting his difference makers on the bench for a sub par position player, just to satisfy his desire for specialization role players.

I was concerned that McCarthy was going to follow that same game plan when they traded for Morency and both he & Thompson said that would Morency's role.

From this past game though, it looks like it just so much Coach / GM speak....and I hope it remains that way!

My only other concern, is that Green was offered & signed a fairly blah 1 year contract as far as base pay & signing bonus goes. It IS heavily incentive laden though. I hope Thompson / McCarthy are going to allow Green earn those incentives.

It would be a really chitty thing for them to do, if it's looking like Green is going to hit those incentives and they start working Morency in more & more, just to make sure they siphon away enough touches so Green misses out.
We've had this discussion before I believe. :) I see your point but I still think the best way to make sure your best players are able to perform at their highest level when you need them is to ensure they are healthy and fresh throughout the season. In my opinion, that is especially true with a RB getting up there in age (by NFL standards) and coming off a possibly career-ending injury.I don't think knocking a few touches off Green's count will hurt the Packers if (and this is the key question) Morency has the talent to contribute. If he doesn't, then Green gets a ton and we all (as Packer fans) hope he can stay healthy for the entire season. But keep in mind Green has always had to come out for periods of time during games due to his asthma condition so I'm not suggesting something new or foreign to the team.

The RB position is such a difficult position to play in terms of the punishment these guys take. I don't have a problem reducing the workload a bit if it means Green will be running as hard and effective in December as he has been (in my opinion) thus far in September.
Yeah we did have this discussion and I think we're pretty much on the same page.Definitely reduce his touches in the event of a blowout...either positive or negative, but in tight games, only give him a blow when he needs it.

Same as how Indy would work Edge.

 
A great value for those "sharks" that drafted Green. :D
No doubt.Do you see him retaining this value throughout the year?homerism aside
If he can stay healthy, he will continue to produce. The offensive line has struggled to open holes for Green. The line has shown some signs of improving. Green is running hard and does look good. Green is still a weapon catching the ball out of the backfield and that is an area where he will make up for any YPC concerns. I think it also makes sense for owners to test the waters now and see what they can get for Green. I don't think the sell high time has come but it doesn' hurt to see if someone is ready to overpay for his services condsidering his ADP.
Not the sharpest tool in the shed. :rolleyes: Will you eat your crow when he goes down/looks like garbage? Or will you duck and run? :pics:
 
A great value for those "sharks" that drafted Green. :D
No doubt.Do you see him retaining this value throughout the year?homerism aside
If he can stay healthy, he will continue to produce. The offensive line has struggled to open holes for Green. The line has shown some signs of improving. Green is running hard and does look good. Green is still a weapon catching the ball out of the backfield and that is an area where he will make up for any YPC concerns. I think it also makes sense for owners to test the waters now and see what they can get for Green. I don't think the sell high time has come but it doesn' hurt to see if someone is ready to overpay for his services condsidering his ADP.
Not the sharpest tool in the shed. :rolleyes: Will you eat your crow when he goes down/looks like garbage? Or will you duck and run? :pics:
He's not the sharpest tool in the shed because he's been right where you've been wrong, and can't see into the future as you apparently can?
 
A great value for those "sharks" that drafted Green. :D
No doubt.Do you see him retaining this value throughout the year?homerism aside
If he can stay healthy, he will continue to produce. The offensive line has struggled to open holes for Green. The line has shown some signs of improving. Green is running hard and does look good. Green is still a weapon catching the ball out of the backfield and that is an area where he will make up for any YPC concerns. I think it also makes sense for owners to test the waters now and see what they can get for Green. I don't think the sell high time has come but it doesn' hurt to see if someone is ready to overpay for his services condsidering his ADP.
Not the sharpest tool in the shed. :rolleyes: Will you eat your crow when he goes down/looks like garbage? Or will you duck and run? :pics:
WTF is your problem? Oh wait....... it's because you have been :own3d:
 
A great value for those "sharks" that drafted Green. :D
No doubt.Do you see him retaining this value throughout the year?homerism aside
If he can stay healthy, he will continue to produce. The offensive line has struggled to open holes for Green. The line has shown some signs of improving. Green is running hard and does look good. Green is still a weapon catching the ball out of the backfield and that is an area where he will make up for any YPC concerns. I think it also makes sense for owners to test the waters now and see what they can get for Green. I don't think the sell high time has come but it doesn' hurt to see if someone is ready to overpay for his services condsidering his ADP.
Not the sharpest tool in the shed. :rolleyes: Will you eat your crow when he goes down/looks like garbage? Or will you duck and run? :pics:
He's not the sharpest tool in the shed because he's been right where you've been wrong, and can't see into the future as you apparently can?
:goodposting:
 
3rd overall in points scored by RBs in PPR leagues.6th overall in points scored by RBs in standard scoring leagues.Not bad for a player many here didn't think would play again, or those that felt his "sell high" time had come and gone when his hammy was sore, or those that felt Morency would make Green virtually useless from a fantasy standpoint.A great value for those "sharks" that drafted Green. :D
Couldn't this just stay in one of the other 106 Ahman Green threads?
Absolutely not - although they should be bumped as well! :D
Bump
 
3rd overall in points scored by RBs in PPR leagues.6th overall in points scored by RBs in standard scoring leagues.Not bad for a player many here didn't think would play again, or those that felt his "sell high" time had come and gone when his hammy was sore, or those that felt Morency would make Green virtually useless from a fantasy standpoint.A great value for those "sharks" that drafted Green. :D
Couldn't this just stay in one of the other 106 Ahman Green threads?
Absolutely not - although they should be bumped as well! :D
Bump
:lmao: You already admitted you were wrong on Green yet you bump this. :lmao:
 
Green is still in the top 10 for RBs in PPR leagues based on weekly average for points per week. For total points on the year he is 17th for RBs in PPR leagues. :D

1. Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB 32.4

2. 2. Johnson, Larry KCC RB 24.4

3. 3. Westbrook, Brian PHI RB 23.0

4. 5. Jackson, Steven STL RB 20.6

5. 7. Parker, Willie PIT RB 19.7

6. 10. Gore, Frank SFO RB 18.5

7. 12. Jones, Kevin DET RB 18.4

8. 16. Barber, Tiki NYG RB 18.0

9. 27. Taylor, Chester MIN RB 15.9

10. 34. Green, Ahman GBP RB 15.0

11. 36. Portis, Clinton WAS RB 15.0

12. 37. Brown, Ronnie MIA RB 14.8

 

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