AJ or Julio (1 Viewer)

[Shanahanigans]

So I was put to the ultimate test about a month ago. In my 12 team dynasty start 3 WR PPR, I worked out a trade with another owner. I gave him Jordy, Best, and another team's 1st Pick in 2013, and he told me I could take any of his WRs. He had AJ, Julio, Mike Wallace, and Brandon Marshall to choose from. I quickly decided it had to be one of the rookies. I was terribly torn between them both, and just about all the experts told me to take AJ. But I couldn't bring myself to do it. I realized that despite what most people say I value Julio more than AJ. Here are the main reasons why I made the decision to go with Julio over AJ:

1 - Do I want Matt Ryan or Andy Dalton throwing to my new stud WR? It was clear to me that Ryan is the choice. He is more developed, has more than one productive season under his belt, and seems to be entering his prime. Dalton could easily regress next year, proving his rookie year a fluke.

2 - There is much less pressure on Julio, and he also has many more weapons around him. Julio is not going to be asked to be "the guy" for another 2-3 seasons. This gives him time to develop and hone his skills without the media, fans, or coaches breathing down his neck. Beyond that, he can learn from Roddy, Tony Gonzales and others. AJ on the other hand will be pretty much the only weapon in Cincy, and defenses will have a year of film to gameplan how to stop him. We somewhat saw it at the end of last year.

3 - To a certain extent the Bengals are the Clippers of the NFL. Occasionally they'll get a group of talented players, but the ownership will always find a way to mess things up. This worries me in regard to AJ's future situation. IMO the Falcons are a much better, competitive organization going forward.

4 - Julio is more physically talented. The measurables speak for themself. Although they are both immensely talented, only one can take a slant 80 yards to the house.

5 - Julio actually out produced AJ on a PPG basis last year. As AJ faded down the stretch Julio blew up. IMO this led to a misconception that AJ had a better year than Julio. In reality, they both had phenomenal rookie years, but Julio's was more impressive imo.

These players will be tied to each other their whole careers. I bet they both end up great, but right now I will take Julio.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Id take AJ and I have Julio in my main league.

 

[jurb26]

So I was put to the ultimate test about a month ago. In my 12 team dynasty start 3 WR PPR, I worked out a trade with another owner. I gave him Jordy, Best, and another team's 1st Pick in 2013, and he told me I could take any of his WRs. He had AJ, Julio, Mike Wallace, and Brandon Marshall to choose from. I quickly decided it had to be one of the rookies. I was terribly torn between them both, and just about all the experts told me to take AJ. But I couldn't bring myself to do it. I realized that despite what most people say I value Julio more than AJ. Here are the main reasons why I made the decision to go with Julio over AJ:

1 - Do I want Matt Ryan or Andy Dalton throwing to my new stud WR? It was clear to me that Ryan is the choice. He is more developed, has more than one productive season under his belt, and seems to be entering his prime. Dalton could easily regress next year, proving his rookie year a fluke.

This is a fair point. I think most would rather have Ryan over Dalton. Consider though, that Dalton was a rookie and should get better. How much? We'll have to see. Ryan has been in the league now for 4 seasons and is pretty much already hitting his prime.

2 - There is much less pressure on Julio, and he also has many more weapons around him. Julio is not going to be asked to be "the guy" for another 2-3 seasons. This gives him time to develop and hone his skills without the media, fans, or coaches breathing down his neck. Beyond that, he can learn from Roddy, Tony Gonzales and others. AJ on the other hand will be pretty much the only weapon in Cincy, and defenses will have a year of film to gameplan how to stop him. We somewhat saw it at the end of last year.

Sure, there is much less pressure on Jones right now. Teams change quickly in the NFL though. Gonzo is old and will not be effective much longer, let alone will retire soon. Turner is also at about the end of his tread. White is also going to be 31 this season. So, the primary focus could be on Jones much sooner than you think. I think it will be in 2013. On top of that, Cinci just went out and drafted Sanu to play opposite him. They also have a very talented TE in Gresham who has battled injuries but has star potential. Lastly, they have built up their Oline to be one of the best units in football IMO. In short, I think Cinci is a team on the rise and Atl looks to be a team on the decline.

3 - To a certain extent the Bengals are the Clippers of the NFL. Occasionally they'll get a group of talented players, but the ownership will always find a way to mess things up. This worries me in regard to AJ's future situation. IMO the Falcons are a much better, competitive organization going forward.

Again, fair point. Then again this was also the story for the Lions for how many years? Not only that, but despite all of Cinci's past debacles they have managed to produce several top fantasy WRs and players. This doesn't seem like a very sound reason.

4 - Julio is more physically talented. The measurables speak for themself. Although they are both immensely talented, only one can talk a slant 80 yards to the house.

Jones is not more physically talented. He's got better raw athletic ability, but that doesn't make him a better talent at WR. The fact that you think only Jones can take a slant 80 yds to the house leads me to believe you either haven't watched Green play or have some sort of bias. Regardless, both are elite talents and both will have great careers so It's a bit of a nit pick either way.

5 - Julio actually out produced AJ on a PPG basis last year. As AJ faded down the stretch Julio blew up. IMO this led to a misconception that AJ had a better year than Julio. In reality, they both had phenomenal rookie years, but Julio's was more impressive imo.

Green battled 2 injuries last year that greatly derailed his production latter in the year. Also, as you pointed out earlier, Jones played in a better situation. He had less coverage focus, a better QB and a better overall team surrounding him.

These players will be tied to each other their whole careers. I bet they both end up great, but right now I will take Julio.

I'd take Green. He's the best WR I've seen in years. That's not to say Jones isn't impressive as well, but Green IMO is a top 3 WR in the NFL right now. Jones is in the top 10, but just isn't quite the player Green is.

 

[lbouchard]

Situations change too quickly to make it a deciding factor, and I think you're basing most of your decision on that(points 1,2,3). Julio is more athletic, but AJG is the better talent and WR.

 

[Shanahanigans]

Situations change too quickly to make it a deciding factor, and I think you're basing most of your decision on that(points 1,2,3). Julio is more athletic, but AJG is the better talent and WR.

I understand that the majority opinion is that Green is better to own so I expected this response. I think that when you have guys of such equal value situation can be factored in, especially when you're talking about WRs. Success at WR is more contingent upon surrounding factors than any other. I don't like to look much more than 3 years out, and imo Ryan >>> Dalton, this cannot be ignored when comparing players of such equal value.

 

[Shanahanigans]

4 - Julio is more physically talented. The measurables speak for themself. Although they are both immensely talented, only one can talk a slant 80 yards to the house.

The fact that you think only Jones can take a slant 80 yds to the house leads me to believe you either haven't watched Green play or have some sort of bias.

Green battled 2 injuries last year that greatly derailed his production latter in the year. Also, as you pointed out earlier, Jones played in a better situation. He had less coverage focus, a better QB and a better overall team surrounding him.

Show me a clip of Green taking a slant 80 yards to the house and I'll believe it.Jones also battled injuries and it effected his production at times last season.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

id take julio.

think he's safer bet and higher ceiling with Ryan.

 

[One More Rep]

They are pretty close in my opinion and I have no issue with anyone who prefers Jones

 

[TheDirtyWord]

I think the best comparison I've heard on both, and this still applies 1 year after I orginally heard it.

AJ Green = this generations Randy Moss

Julio Jones = this generations Terrell Owens

...sans head issues. But either way, I don't think you'll go wrong with either. Like asking who's hotter; Kate Beckinsale or Jessica Biel.

 

[solorca]

If I was given the same choice, I would go AJ and flip him if I didnt like him. Hell, wait a month and you could probably flip him for Julio and a smaller piece.

 

[steeler6]

got them both in a startup dynasty draft and i'm very happy

 

[Omniscient Deity]

I also like Julio for the same reasons mentioned, he has the higher ceiling IMO, especially once Roddy White starts to decline and Julio takes over the #1 WR role.

 

[Whitney26]

Julio and it's not close for me

 

[lbouchard]

Why is Dalton so likely to regress? He was a rookie QB with no offseason. QBs face the most difficult transition anyways, and with no offseason, it's off the charts hard. He also had a rookie OC. Despite all the factors working against him, he was able to post an amazing rookie season (Cam's was obviously better, but for a rookie, Dalton's was fantastic). With an offseason and OTAs, as well as new weapons, I think Dalton is going to continue to improve.

 

[doowain]

Julio and it's not close for me

Most ill informed...flat out stupid...thing I've read on here. And that says a lot. I have no issues with someone preferring Julio. But to say it "isn't close" is a clue you need to have your noggin checked for a tumor.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Why is Dalton so likely to regress?

i don't think its that he regresses as it is he has a low ceiling.if im looking to win in playoff weeks 14-16, id rather have the good odds that a pass game won't be affected by the weather elements (cincy vs. atl).i prefer julio to green (ppr)....other elements (indoor games/Ryan vs dalton) just makes my preference easier. i think both are easily top 10 dynasty guys.

 

[greggorymac]

I think the best comparison I've heard on both, and this still applies 1 year after I orginally heard it.AJ Green = this generations Randy MossJulio Jones = this generations Terrell Owens...sans head issues. But either way, I don't think you'll go wrong with either. Like asking who's hotter; Kate Beckinsale or Jessica Biel.

Jessica Biel

 

[Donsmith753]

1st world problems...

 

[WisWolvrns]

AJ.

His offense will be more dynamic. Jay Gruden was hired as the OC last year and from what I have read is more a west coast, pass focused offensive minded coach and looking to make a mark in the NFL. He was involved in picking Dalton and AJ with other choices on the board. With a full off season to really get his philosophies in place, it would not surprise me if Cincy's offense is more dynamic than the Falcons.

As for the Falcons they have been using a more run based attack, with throwing on 3rd and long. This year they hired Dirk Koetter as OC... who was the OC for Jacksonville the past few seasons. How did that work out for QBs and WRs in Jacksonville... it was more the MJD show for fantasy points... enough to give me cause for concern for the Atlanta offensive projections this coming year...

( oh, and to edit... Kate Beckinsale )

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

AJ. His offense will be more dynamic. Jay Gruden was hired as the OC last year and from what I have read is more a west coast, pass focused offensive minded coach and looking to make a mark in the NFL. He was involved in picking Dalton and AJ with other choices on the board. With a full off season to really get his philosophies in place, it would not surprise me if Cincy's offense is more dynamic than the Falcons.As for the Falcons they have been using a more run based attack, with throwing on 3rd and long. This year they hired Dirk Koetter as OC... who was the OC for Jacksonville the past few seasons. How did that work out for QBs and WRs in Jacksonville... it was more the MJD show for fantasy points... enough to give me cause for concern for the Atlanta offensive projections this coming year...( oh, and to edit... Kate Beckinsale )

Good post and I agree.I also think Dalton, not Ryan, is going to be one of the few up-and-coming elite level QBs who will be around for a very long time.

 

[SpineDoc]

I recently had a choice between the two and went AJ. I traded Jennings and a 2013 1st for him. I love Julio as well and they are 1a and 1b as far as I am concerned.

 

[mr roboto]

If you can get a little more in return Julio. For the same price, AJ. IMO he is a top 5 dynasty WR right now.

 

[Ernol]

If you can get a little more in return Julio. For the same price, AJ. IMO he is a top 5 dynasty WR right now.

Both are in the top 5 dynasty WR for me (possibly even both in the top 3). I own the two as a pair in at least 5 dynasty leagues and love them both. Julio though would be my choice. I recently drafted Julio at the 1.8 and Green at the 1.10 in a recent startup. I would have drafted Julio a number of slots higher if I thought it was necessary. I probably would not have drafted Green much higher if at all.

 

[Badgers Fan]

Baltimore and Pittsburgh are declining, so it will be interesting to see where they are at in 5 years. If Reed retires and both aging teams don't draft well, it would obviously help AJ's cause. Betting against either team isn't a smart thing though. I would rather have Julio. Carolina, Tampa, New Orleans all have the potential to score a lot now and into the future with their current qb's (thus forcing Atlanta to throw more). I feel more confident in Ryan than Dalton, and as a result I'd prefer Jones based on these factors (divisional foes, quarterback)

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

I'm glad I get to be the first to say I have no freaking Idea lol. They are both monsters and I think the next elite group of WRs coming behind Calvin Fitz and Andre era.

Anyone who invested in their rookie drafts last year are coming out golden.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

I think the best comparison I've heard on both, and this still applies 1 year after I orginally heard it.AJ Green = this generations Randy MossJulio Jones = this generations Terrell Owens...sans head issues. But either way, I don't think you'll go wrong with either. Like asking who's hotter; Kate Beckinsale or Jessica Biel.

I agree with this comparison Julio ridiculous after the catch, Green ridiculous in the air. going to be an extremely interesting season.

 

[N Zone]

I would take Julio Jones over AJ Green. Matt Ryan and Julio Jones will have huge years in 2012 (Roddy White and Michael Turner are getting older and the Falcons see what they have in Julio). Julio is more explosive, the Falcons will have a better offense. Julio has proven he can put up big games, while AJ Green is more the spectacular catch and fall down and 6 for 70 and 0 or 1 td a game type of player, at least for now with Andy Dalton.

 

[lbouchard]

I think Roddy holds off Julio one more year. He'll still be a high end WR2 or maybe even low end WR1, but I think Julio's true breakout is 2013

 

[Sinrman]

Both are fantastic talents, there's no denying that. But I personally think AJ Green has a higher ceiling, simply because he is the #1 in his respective city, and I also believe

his QB has a higher ceiling. I like Matt Ryan, but I just don't see him blowing up for 35+ TDs in any season, whereas Andy Dalton, given a good running game and a better #2 WR,

I could see one day doing that.

 

[Shanahanigans]

If I was given the same choice, I would go AJ and flip him if I didnt like him. Hell, wait a month and you could probably flip him for Julio and a smaller piece.

This might have worked if the guy who owned AJ didn't also have Julio. Not sure he would have liked me trying to squeeze him for everything he's worth, and I'm not sure who he is higher on.

 

[Shanahanigans]

Why is Dalton so likely to regress? He was a rookie QB with no offseason. QBs face the most difficult transition anyways, and with no offseason, it's off the charts hard. He also had a rookie OC. Despite all the factors working against him, he was able to post an amazing rookie season (Cam's was obviously better, but for a rookie, Dalton's was fantastic). With an offseason and OTAs, as well as new weapons, I think Dalton is going to continue to improve.

I didn't say he is likely to regress, just that it is possible. He had a great rookie year, but it would not suprise me in the least if he had a bad sophomore year. It also wouldn't suprise me if he improved as you are thinking he will. But when I look at that statistic about how almost all good/great QBs come from not only 1st round picks but high 1st round picks, it makes me skeptical of Dalton. Ryan on the other hand, would shock me if he totally fell apart next year. Clearly, going forward from right now a fantasy owner should prefer Ryan over Dalton in regards to who is throwing their WR the ball.

 

[Shanahanigans]

Both are fantastic talents, there's no denying that. But I personally think AJ Green has a higher ceiling, simply because he is the #1 in his respective city, and I also believehis QB has a higher ceiling. I like Matt Ryan, but I just don't see him blowing up for 35+ TDs in any season, whereas Andy Dalton, given a good running game and a better #2 WR,I could see one day doing that.

Ryan had 29 TDs (plus 2 running) last year you really can't see him making the leap of 6 whole touchdowns? Dalton only had 20.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I'm probably in the minority, but I think that Dalton has a higher ceiling than Ryan. I think the common perception is that Ryan has a better arm than Dalton, and that's probably true, but Dalton threw some really nice long balls last year. I have no problems with his arm at all.

And Ryan has, and always will have, happy feet in the pocket. That will always limit his upside and cause him to throw interceptions. As Turner continues to age and decline, you're going to see teams blitzing the snot out of Matt Ryan. Dalton was cool as a cucumber last year in the pocket as a rookie.

I also think that Green is a more complete WR than Jones. He has better hands, goes up for the ball better, and runs better routes. Jones has more short area quickness, but I think top end speed is about the same.

 

[meyerj31]

Can't go wrong with either. Julio is a physical freak and will see a ton of goal-line catches in the coming years, with Tony G retiring especially. But AJ is more of a focal point and will see 25%+ of targets. I'll admit Green will probably edge out Julio in PPG but I'd still rather take Julio. I just don't trust the Bengals.

 

[jurb26]

I also think that Green is a more complete WR than Jones. He has better hands, goes up for the ball better, and runs better routes. Jones has more short area quickness, but I think top end speed is about the same.

I love Green more than pretty much anyone and I don't think that's a big surprise. That said, Jones easily has better top end speed than Green. Jones is an absolute burner. Green is simply fast. I don't think Green is a risk of getting run down by about 90% of the guys in the NFL but Jones will not get run down by anyone.I agree with you otherwise.

 

[doowain]

I also think that Green is a more complete WR than Jones. He has better hands, goes up for the ball better, and runs better routes. Jones has more short area quickness, but I think top end speed is about the same.

I love Green more than pretty much anyone and I don't think that's a big surprise. That said, Jones easily has better top end speed than Green. Jones is an absolute burner. Green is simply fast. I don't think Green is a risk of getting run down by about 90% of the guys in the NFL but Jones will not get run down by anyone.I agree with you otherwise.

I know it's not the end-all of comparisons, but there are many defensive backs in the NFL who had a faster 40 time than Julio (yes, I know that he ran on a "not 100% leg" at the combine).

 

[TheDirtyWord]

I'm probably in the minority, but I think that Dalton has a higher ceiling than Ryan. I think the common perception is that Ryan has a better arm than Dalton, and that's probably true, but Dalton threw some really nice long balls last year. I have no problems with his arm at all.And Ryan has, and always will have, happy feet in the pocket. That will always limit his upside and cause him to throw interceptions. As Turner continues to age and decline, you're going to see teams blitzing the snot out of Matt Ryan. Dalton was cool as a cucumber last year in the pocket as a rookie. I also think that Green is a more complete WR than Jones. He has better hands, goes up for the ball better, and runs better routes. Jones has more short area quickness, but I think top end speed is about the same.

Whether or not Dalton has a higher ceiling than Ryan, I would clear up some misconceptions you've put up here on Ryan.1) If happy feet is causing him to throw INT's, it's not causing him to thorw many. His INT rate over the last 2 seasons with over 1100 attempts has been 1.8%...that's a very good figure. In fact, many Falcon fans would tell you that Ryan is almost too conservative now. The gunslinger mentality he had as a rookie appears to have been put aside in favor of a more disciplined game manager. What we are anxious to see is Ryan out from under the OC - stewardship of Mike Mularkey who despite solid statistical showings overall - was seen as ultra-consrvative and anti-creative from a schematic and utilizing his weapons perspective. Whether Dirk Koetter is the guy to revamp the offense...I'm withholding judgement, his showing in JAX was mixed, but I think an argument could be easily made that he was hampered by his offensive talent. But to the original point...Ryan eschews TO's.2) Actually, I can't point to a specific numbers, but I know I've seen them in the past. But Ryan's production when blitzed has actually been very good. In fact, I think one of the reasons why his YPA numbers have not approached his rookie year numbers is because teams have decided to hang back and play coverage on him. In turn, Ryan would take what the defense would give him, but at the same time - this drained a certain playmaking mentality from him. To be fair, prior to the 2011 season, his #2 WR was Michael Jenkins which forced him to look for more reliable, but less explosive targets like Gonzalez. Toward to the end of the 2011 season though, I felt that Ryan started to be more aggressive in pushing the ball downfield because of an increasing confidence in Julio.

 

[cvnpoka]

I'm probably in the minority, but I think that Dalton has a higher ceiling than Ryan. I think the common perception is that Ryan has a better arm than Dalton, and that's probably true, but Dalton threw some really nice long balls last year. I have no problems with his arm at all.

and he missed aj green on a ton more wide open deep balls. this is why green has the higher ceiling and more variation. he gets open deep, but dalton just misses those easy throws.

 

[Shlon]

I'm biased but I would definitely take Julio. Julio outplayed AJ on a PPG basis - more TD's and almost the same yardage in less games played. AJ is slightly taller but Julio is faster, stronger, and has a higher vertical. AJ is Randy Moss without the world class speed.

Andy Dalton is pretty good but I prefer Matt Ryan. New OC this year for the Falcons who will be changing the offense to a more passing attack style. Roddy White takes pressure off Julio but I think Julio will put up huge numbers this year and becomes the Falcons new #1 guy.

 

[jurb26]

I'm probably in the minority, but I think that Dalton has a higher ceiling than Ryan. I think the common perception is that Ryan has a better arm than Dalton, and that's probably true, but Dalton threw some really nice long balls last year. I have no problems with his arm at all.

and he missed aj green on a ton more wide open deep balls. this is why green has the higher ceiling and more variation. he gets open deep, but dalton just misses those easy throws.

Green made Dalton look much better than he really was last year IMO. Green's ability to adjust and make plays on some of the poor passes Dalton threw was simply incredible. There were several times where Green could have had easy long TDs but Dalton either overthrew him or underthew him leading to incompletions or no YAC because Green's adjustment allowed the DB to catch up or caused him to fall down while making the catch. Dalton's end of year numbers on deep passes didn't turn out bad from a stats stand point, but if you watched the games then you know they could have been so much more. If Dalton improves in this area then Green could explode.

 

[lbouchard]

This really boils down to the athletic prototype (Julio) vs the naturally talented WR (Green). I'm taking Green. But if you could put Green's skills in Julio's body...watch out.

 

[Fullback Fro]

In ALL of the High Stakes FFPC's Dynasty Leagues that had come out drafts this summer, Julio Jones went ahead of AJ Green. ALL OF THEM.

These are serious high stakes league veterans putting in $750 to $1250 per team to compete in these leagues.

I thin that tells you your answer right there.

 

[jurb26]

In ALL of the High Stakes FFPC's Dynasty Leagues that had come out drafts this summer, Julio Jones went ahead of AJ Green. ALL OF THEM. These are serious high stakes league veterans putting in $750 to $1250 per team to compete in these leagues. I thin that tells you your answer right there.

That Jones is overvalued?

 

[Fullback Fro]

In ALL of the High Stakes FFPC's Dynasty Leagues that had come out drafts this summer, Julio Jones went ahead of AJ Green. ALL OF THEM. These are serious high stakes league veterans putting in $750 to $1250 per team to compete in these leagues. I think that tells you your answer right there.

That Jones is overvalued?

I am providing facts for the thread starter to use to in his evaluation. It one thing to spout out your opinion on a message board. Its an entirely different set of circumstances where you are willing to spend large sums of money to back up one's prognostication.

 

[doowain]

In ALL of the High Stakes FFPC's Dynasty Leagues that had come out drafts this summer, Julio Jones went ahead of AJ Green. ALL OF THEM. These are serious high stakes league veterans putting in $750 to $1250 per team to compete in these leagues. I think that tells you your answer right there.

That Jones is overvalued?

I am providing facts for the thread starter to use to in his evaluation. It one thing to spout out your opinion on a message board. Its an entirely different set of circumstances where you are willing to spend large sums of money to back up one's prognostication.

I'm guessing those voicing their opinion here have also made this decision in one form or another on their own teams.Placing a larger amount of money on this decision doesn't make it any more likely to hit or those folks any more of an authority on the subject.

 

[lbouchard]

Because they put in more money, they make better decisions and whatever they do is the correct thing to do? Guys that only spend 50 dollars don't want to win?

 

[jurb26]

In ALL of the High Stakes FFPC's Dynasty Leagues that had come out drafts this summer, Julio Jones went ahead of AJ Green. ALL OF THEM. These are serious high stakes league veterans putting in $750 to $1250 per team to compete in these leagues. I think that tells you your answer right there.

That Jones is overvalued?

I am providing facts for the thread starter to use to in his evaluation. It one thing to spout out your opinion on a message board. Its an entirely different set of circumstances where you are willing to spend large sums of money to back up one's prognostication.

I've done 2 high level auctions this past off-season one was with 32 folks from FBG and the other just high stakes players outside. In both leagues, Green went for more money. A pretty significant amount more in both as a matter of fact. I secured him in one, but not the other.

 

[Fullback Fro]

I have not stated what my opinions on the matter at hand. I am providing facts for the thread starter.

You guys can keep trying to discount the information that I posted but it happened and it is fact.

It shows that there seems to be a pattern in the high stakes dynasty community (FFPC) that they value Jones over Green and they are putting larger sums of money to back it up.

Do what you want with the information. Discount it or utilize it. I care not.

 

[Sinrman]

Both are fantastic talents, there's no denying that. But I personally think AJ Green has a higher ceiling, simply because he is the #1 in his respective city, and I also believehis QB has a higher ceiling. I like Matt Ryan, but I just don't see him blowing up for 35+ TDs in any season, whereas Andy Dalton, given a good running game and a better #2 WR,I could see one day doing that.

Ryan had 29 TDs (plus 2 running) last year you really can't see him making the leap of 6 whole touchdowns? Dalton only had 20.

No, I don't. I definitely believe, and his play has shown, that he is an above average QB. But I think 29 TDs is pretty much his ceiling. Not just because of his abilities, butbecause of the pieces around him. With the weapons he has with him, he has possibly the most complete offense in the league, if you look at a stud RB, pair of top WRs, and alegendary TE. He SHOULD be above 30+ TDs every single season with those weapons, yet he's not. He has a lot of 1 TD games with a rare 3-4 TD blowup.Turner just turned 30, right? He has 0-3 more years, MAX. They have no answer at RB once he's gone, and Ryan absolutely needs a strong running game to keep him going. He's nota type of QB that can wing it around consistently without someone good behind him. That's not to say they won't eventually have a suitable replacement via free agency or the draft,but if they don't have a replacement soon I think Ryan is going to have some dreadful performances. Gonzalez has said that this is his last season. They don't really have asuitable replacement at TE, either. And Ryan needs a really good, blocking TE like future Hall of Famer, Tony Gonzalez, or someone who can force defenses to cover him constantly andrelieve the pressure (like Gronk, Graham, etc.). Without good blockers, Ryan will have years of 20-22 TDs and 15 INTs, you watch...Dalton had a good rookie year, overall. And his weapons? Uhhh, AJ Green and a decent running game. That's it! Gresham was decent, and Simpson was serviceable (although gone now).But give Dalton more weapons, and I see this kid throwing 30+ TDs consistently.

 

[Art Vandalay]

I own both and I am a bengal fan and AJ Green is the best WR in the game....here's the proof

No one can adjust in the air like him and @ 4.33 you can see hes got great wheels and can slant to the house like Julio.

Jones isn't much more physically talented than many reicevers before him but AJ is the new Randy Moss.