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AJ Smith responds to Jerry Rice any other doubters (1 Viewer)

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SAN DIEGO UNION-TRIBUNE

February 23, 2007

When Chargers bosses determined they'd had enough of Marty Schottenheimer – and he of them – the Web sites began to spin like starving black widows. It's what happens now. Throw it against the wall and see if it sticks, except there is no wall in cyberspace. The manure goes its merry way, into some wacky orbit with all the other fertilizer.

I have a few favorites. One had General Manager A.J. Smith being fired after the draft.

“Ludicrous,” club President Dean Spanos says.

With the Schottenheimer firing came the natural ricochet. Pete Carroll was going to leave USC and come in as head coach and GM, with total control. Except Carroll wasn't considered. Smith went with his gut and hired Norv Turner.

“Yeah,” Smith says. “Pete Carroll's coming in. He'd better get here quick.”

Of course, it made sense that Smith would be allowed to hire his own head coach, go to the NFL Combine and interview players, gather his scouts, conduct a draft, and then be canned. I can't even dream such nonsense.

And those throwing out the Carroll and control rumors obviously didn't know Spanos believes in checks and balances. He doesn't want a coach running the entire football operation.

It wasn't going to happen. I don't know what you think of Spanos and frankly I don't care, but if he were to get rid of Smith, who personally has supplied 46 of the 53 players on the best roster in The League, he'd be in need of treatment.

Still, with all this has come an incredibly negative reaction to the Turner hire. That he's a yes man. He will be the GM's caddie. Smith truly will be the coach of this team. Turner is too soft. Jerry Rice doesn't like him (who likes Jerry Rice?). That he was the safe hire, the comfortable decision.

“Marty got hammered when he was hired,” Smith says. “Now he's a genius. I got hammered when Drew Brees left. I can't shake the negativity, but I do what I think is right.”

And, while Smith isn't perfect, he's been right more than any working GM in recent years. Maybe Turner won't work out. But Smith doesn't consider it a safe hire and neither do I. It took some spine to hire a coach with a losing record to take over a 14-2 team.

Is it comfortable? Sure. It's Turner's offense. Ted Cottrell has been brought in to coordinate a 3-4 defense he's run since he was a child. Ron Rivera, who recently ran the Bears' defense in the Super Bowl, has been added as linebackers coach, so there's a promise of new wrinkles.

This looks like a pretty damn good coaching staff to me.

“This isn't safe or cautious,” Smith says. “I just deal with what's in front of me. These are good football players who know the system and the system will remain in place.

“Of course, none of this means anything until we go to the playoffs. If we don't, I'm stupid another year. I'm the dumbest SOB to come down the pike and I should get my butt back to Buffalo.”

Smith doesn't live in a cave with Bin Laden. He may be a cowboy, but he isn't that ruthless. He's heard and seen the negativity, even been on talk shows recently with hosts who hate the hire.

“It's terrible, but I knew it was coming,” he says. “I've heard that I've hired a yes man. He's a puppet who will do everything I say. It's all about me. I'm coaching the team. I'm an egomaniac. I didn't listen to Marty Schottenheimer. It was all my way.

“I'll take the shells on that, but I'm not going to stand at a podium and tell everybody why (there was the rift). The real truth hasn't come out and it won't come from me. Our views were vastly different. Nobody can work with A.J.? I've worked with a lot of people in my career.”

It can't be helped. That's the way people see things, and judging by our e-mailers, the great majority see Turner as a loser.

“It's perception,” Smith says. “They say Norv isn't a screamer or a motivator. Everyone has different styles. What about Tony Dungy and Lovie Smith? It doesn't matter. It's all about winning. Marty Schottenheimer was 0-2 in the playoffs and there's 0-2 next to my name. I don't like 0-2. We've got to figure this thing out and do some damage.

“I hear about Jerry Rice. What's Jerry Rice got to say? Norv cut him (in Oakland). Ask Troy Aikman about Norv. I have a plan. Trust me.”

But, as Spanos said the day Turner was hired: “The pressure's on all of us now.” A coach who went 14-2 has been fired and a coach with a 58-82-1 career record has been hired. Smith knows it, but he doesn't seem to have changed. At least he's already had dinner with Turner. How many times did he break bread with Schottenheimer over a five-year span? Twice.

“I'm not happy or sad,” he says. “It's not personal. It's strictly business.”

Nothing like John Wayne ending the conversation with a quote from Michael Corleone.

Nick Canepa: (619) 293-1397; nick.canepa@uniontrib.com

 
so if the chargers go 9-7 and lose in the first round of the playoffs next year, who gets the blame? Turner? Smith? No one?

 
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so if the chargers go 9-7 and lose in the first round of the playoffs next year, who gets the blame? Turner? Smith? No one?
If this team under performs or gets out-coached next year then someones head has to roll.
 
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There's easy responses to all his points, but it's a boring topic.

I will say this, absence makes the heart grow fonder with defensive coordinators, huh? Too bad Ted Cottrell didn't spend another year not coaching, he might have been a Hall of Famer.

 
so if the chargers go 9-7 and lose in the first round of the playoffs next year, who gets the blame?
It depends on whose fault it is.
How about the guy that ran Brees and Schottenheimer out of town...Smith.
And had QB in his first year starting make the Pro Bowl (and no it wasn't VY).
Biggest sham ever.
I know, VY didn't deserve to be there.
 
so if the chargers go 9-7 and lose in the first round of the playoffs next year, who gets the blame?
It depends on whose fault it is.
How about the guy that ran Brees and Schottenheimer out of town...Smith.
And had QB in his first year starting make the Pro Bowl (and no it wasn't VY).
Biggest sham ever.
I know, VY didn't deserve to be there.
I was obviously talking about Rivers...I'd vote in VY before Rivers.
 
He makes good transactions on paper, yet seems an egomaniac and difficult personality to deal with from an organizational perspective.Additionally, you can't overlook the Rivers over Brees move.
If I was an SD fan I would have some confidence in Smith by now. There were ?'s surrounding Brees shoulder at the time, he didn't start performing really good untill after Rivers was brought in and SD got 3 pro bowlers from the Giants trade.Sorry but I don't see it.
 
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He makes good transactions on paper, yet seems an egomaniac and difficult personality to deal with from an organizational perspective.Additionally, you can't overlook the Rivers over Brees move.
If I was an SD fan I would have some confidence in Smith by now. There were ?'s surrounding Brees shoulder at the time, he didn't start performing really good untill after Rivers was brought in and SD got 3 pro bowlers from the Giants trade.Sorry but I don't see it.
This conversation has been hashed out so many times already...sheesh.Lhucks is a Bolt hater who wiffed his Rivers projections by miles, and was too stuborn to admit it. The Bolts were horrible before Smith stocked he team with talent. The end.
 
He makes good transactions on paper, yet seems an egomaniac and difficult personality to deal with from an organizational perspective.Additionally, you can't overlook the Rivers over Brees move.
If I was an SD fan I would have some confidence in Smith by now. There were ?'s surrounding Brees shoulder at the time, he didn't start performing really good untill after Rivers was brought in and SD got 3 pro bowlers from the Giants trade.Sorry but I don't see it.
This conversation has been hashed out so many times already...sheesh.Lhucks is a Bolt hater who wiffed his Rivers projections by miles, and was too stuborn to admit it. The Bolts were horrible before Smith stocked he team with talent. The end.
This is the first time I have expressed my opinion on the matter, sorry if I have missed a thread of yours :lmao:
 
He makes good transactions on paper, yet seems an egomaniac and difficult personality to deal with from an organizational perspective.Additionally, you can't overlook the Rivers over Brees move.
If I was an SD fan I would have some confidence in Smith by now. There were ?'s surrounding Brees shoulder at the time, he didn't start performing really good untill after Rivers was brought in and SD got 3 pro bowlers from the Giants trade.Sorry but I don't see it.
I know I'm in the minority, most agree that dumping Brees and drafting Rivers was the right move. For me coach and QB are the two most important positions.
 
He makes good transactions on paper, yet seems an egomaniac and difficult personality to deal with from an organizational perspective.Additionally, you can't overlook the Rivers over Brees move.
If I was an SD fan I would have some confidence in Smith by now. There were ?'s surrounding Brees shoulder at the time, he didn't start performing really good untill after Rivers was brought in and SD got 3 pro bowlers from the Giants trade.Sorry but I don't see it.
This conversation has been hashed out so many times already...sheesh.Lhucks is a Bolt hater who wiffed his Rivers projections by miles, and was too stuborn to admit it. The Bolts were horrible before Smith stocked he team with talent. The end.
I actually really like the Bolts and all the SD teams for that matter...I just really don't like Smith and believe Rivers is overrated.
 
From everything I have read about it, everyone is bashing the Turner hire, all I'm saying is I would cut Smith some slack by now

 
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Someone posted above there are plenty of replys but it IS a boring topic.

This is a writer sucking up to an owner and GM. Nothing more...

 
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What's the deal with including the entire article only to make a one line reply?

Anyway, it is on A.J. and Spanos now. They've played their hand and if they end up losing (not winning a game in the playoffs next year - barring an incredible string of injuries), they deserve to feel the heat.

I'm pessimistic. A.J. has done great so far (despite what people like LHUCKS imagine), but the Tuner hire looks dicey at best to me.

All we can do now is wait and see.

ETA: What has Jerry Rice said anyway?

 
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Smith has done an excellent job putting together a team. But maybe he should have just kept his mouth shut on this one. Taking heat from fans/"experts" is part of the job. Running his mouth can only mean trouble for him later. If the Chargers regress in any way during 2007 (with all the coaching turnover it wouldn't be a surprise) the bashing is just going to increase tenfold thanks to his comments.

 
Gr00vus said:
ETA: What has Jerry Rice said anyway?
In his book, Rice wrote: "Norv (Turner, then-coach of the Raiders) was never really head coach material ... He couldn't control the players and guys like Charles Woodson walked all over him. Woodson routinely showed up for practice and meetings when he felt like it, along with some teammates."
 
Gr00vus said:
ETA: What has Jerry Rice said anyway?
In his book, Rice wrote: "Norv (Turner, then-coach of the Raiders) was never really head coach material ... He couldn't control the players and guys like Charles Woodson walked all over him. Woodson routinely showed up for practice and meetings when he felt like it, along with some teammates."
Thanks M.T. - I got the impression he'd said something in the last couple of weeks from the article, which I guess is wrong.I don't think Jerry's saying anything too controversial here. It is something Turner will have to address, as I've heard similar things from Skins fans.
 
LHUCKS said:
Gold Plated Nails said:
lord_helmet said:
LHUCKS said:
lord_helmet said:
LHUCKS said:
Smith is overrated.
How ?
He makes good transactions on paper, yet seems an egomaniac and difficult personality to deal with from an organizational perspective.Additionally, you can't overlook the Rivers over Brees move.
If I was an SD fan I would have some confidence in Smith by now. There were ?'s surrounding Brees shoulder at the time, he didn't start performing really good untill after Rivers was brought in and SD got 3 pro bowlers from the Giants trade.Sorry but I don't see it.
This conversation has been hashed out so many times already...sheesh.Lhucks is a Bolt hater who wiffed his Rivers projections by miles, and was too stuborn to admit it. The Bolts were horrible before Smith stocked he team with talent. The end.
I actually really like the Bolts and all the SD teams for that matter...I just really don't like Smith and believe Rivers is overrated.
I realize that you think Rivers is overrated but he did have a succussful 1st year (I'm sure much better than you predicted) and at the end of the day the Rivers/Brees decision was one decision. A big decision but it didn't negatively impact the team this year and his future looks good. AJ has made sooo many other good moves with his ridiculous draft record (Turner, McNeil, Merriman, etc., etc.) over the past few years and his ability to have nearly all the vital cogs of the team signed for the next 3-5 years, good cap situation, etc.. If anything AJ is underrated.
 
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Smith has done an excellent job putting together a team. But maybe he should have just kept his mouth shut on this one. Taking heat from fans/"experts" is part of the job. Running his mouth can only mean trouble for him later. If the Chargers regress in any way during 2007 (with all the coaching turnover it wouldn't be a surprise) the bashing is just going to increase tenfold thanks to his comments.
AJ is not out there thumping his chest and proclaiming victory here. He was approached by the reporter for his comments. Was he suppossed to issue a blanket "no comment"? If he did, then he would be painted as a guy that is second guessing hiring decisions. AJ can't win apparently if he speaks or remains quiet.Although Norv Turner's hiring was rather underwhelming it was the best one given the six candidates interviewed. SD got the D-coordinator they wanted in Cottrel and even got Ron Rivera as, of all things, A POSITION COACH! Rivera was being interviewed for head coahcing slots and he lands in SD to coach the linebackers. Nice coup on that one even if he will be in SD for just one year.

So the head coach hired happens to be the guy that installed the current offensive system a few years ago. An offensive system that has been pretty darn successful over the last three years might I add. All Norv has to do is hang on and not to let the wheels fall off this bus. Although his record is a losing one I don't think he is so inept that he would put the franchise at risk.

And speaking from a position of being a Chargers season ticket holder, AJ is alot more popular with the fans than Marty ever was. That does not mean anything in the grand scheme of things when it comes to on field performance. But it does say a lot when it comes to renewing your season tickets for another year or buying the latest LT jersey.

 
So the head coach hired happens to be the guy that installed the current offensive system a few years ago. An offensive system that has been pretty darn successful over the last three years might I add.
When Norv was OC, the offense was #15 in the league. The two following years it was #16 and #14. In 2005 it was #10 and 2006 it was #7. To give Turner, who was offensive coordinator for one year in 2001, any credit for the Chargers offense in 2005 and 2006 is crazy.
 
To give Turner, who was offensive coordinator for one year in 2001, any credit for the Chargers offense in 2005 and 2006 is crazy.
Except for the fact that he was indeed the guy that installed the system they're currently running. Their personnell has improved greatly from 2001 to now.
 

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