AL End of Year Awards (1 Viewer)

[wilked]

Both are clearly awful, but the real question is which would be a bigger joke?

Both AL races should be close to unanimous

 

[MAC_32]

Jeter - MVP, Mauer is one of the better defensive catchers in the game and is not only the best hitting catcher but also one of the best hitters period. I don't think anyone has as great of an impact on the game as him.

 

[Bogart]

I went with CC winning the Cy. The first half that Greinke put up is one for the ages. It was video game like numbers. And his overall numbers are still better than CC in every way. He just plays for a team who doesn't spend nearly as much money.

 

[Darth Cheney]

Neither...just more anti-Yankee bias.

 

[jobarules]

Neither of those are gonna happen cuz IMO Grienke and Mauer are both locks.

 

[Darth Cheney]

Neither of those are gonna happen cuz IMO Grienke and Mauer are both locks.

 

[MaddHatter]

I have zero problem with Jeter winning the MVP.

 

[Frostillicus]

I have zero problem with Jeter winning the MVP.

Explain.

 

[jobarules]

I have zero problem with Jeter winning the MVP.

Mauer is having a historic season on a horrible team that is somehow only 2 GB the division leader. Morneau is hurt and Mauer plays the toughest position in baseball. He is a lock. And this coming from a Yankee fan who would love to see Jeter win one.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I have zero problem with Jeter winning the MVP.

Mauer is having a historic season on a horrible team that is somehow only 2 GB the division leader. Morneau is hurt and Mauer plays the toughest position in baseball. He is a lock. And this coming from a Yankee fan who would love to see Jeter win one.

Horrible teams don't win 10 of 11 games in September. What is a horrible team to you? A team that doesn't win 90 games?

 

[jobarules]

I have zero problem with Jeter winning the MVP.

Mauer is having a historic season on a horrible team that is somehow only 2 GB the division leader. Morneau is hurt and Mauer plays the toughest position in baseball. He is a lock. And this coming from a Yankee fan who would love to see Jeter win one.

Horrible teams don't win 10 of 11 games in September. What is a horrible team to you? A team that doesn't win 90 games?

their roster without mauer is horrible

 

[Frostillicus]

I have zero problem with Jeter winning the MVP.

Mauer is having a historic season on a horrible team that is somehow only 2 GB the division leader. Morneau is hurt and Mauer plays the toughest position in baseball. He is a lock. And this coming from a Yankee fan who would love to see Jeter win one.

Horrible teams don't win 10 of 11 games in September. What is a horrible team to you? A team that doesn't win 90 games?

Trust me, they're a terrible team. This is a mirage.

 

[jobarules]

CC was pretty ####in dominant since Aug

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I have zero problem with Jeter winning the MVP.

Mauer is having a historic season on a horrible team that is somehow only 2 GB the division leader. Morneau is hurt and Mauer plays the toughest position in baseball. He is a lock. And this coming from a Yankee fan who would love to see Jeter win one.

Horrible teams don't win 10 of 11 games in September. What is a horrible team to you? A team that doesn't win 90 games?

their roster without mauer is horrible

Ok so for the record you are saying Kubel, Cuddyer, and Span are all horrible. Just making sure I add this to my long list of dumb #### you've said at FBG. ETA: Is Shadyrdr suspended or did you just put him out of his misery?

 

[awesomeness]

I have zero problem with Jeter winning the MVP.

Mauer is having a historic season on a horrible team that is somehow only 2 GB the division leader. Morneau is hurt and Mauer plays the toughest position in baseball. He is a lock. And this coming from a Yankee fan who would love to see Jeter win one.

Horrible teams don't win 10 of 11 games in September. What is a horrible team to you? A team that doesn't win 90 games?

their roster without mauer is horrible

Ok so for the record you are saying Kubel, Cuddyer, and Span are all horrible. Just making sure I add this to my long list of dumb #### you've said at FBG. ETA: Is Shadyrdr suspended or did you just put him out of his misery?

The twins roster is pretty damn weak. Thinking otherwise is

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The twins roster is pretty damn weak. Thinking otherwise is

So you agree it is horrible?

 

[awesomeness]

The twins roster is pretty damn weak. Thinking otherwise is

So you agree it is horrible?

Relative to other AL team rosters in the playoff hunt, i would consider their roster to be closer to horrible than i would to good.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The twins roster is pretty damn weak. Thinking otherwise is

So you agree it is horrible?

Relative to other AL team rosters in the playoff hunt, i would consider their roster to be closer to horrible than i would to good.

Great backpedel. Kubel is 11th in the AL in OPS, Span is 8th in hitting, Cuddyer is 10th in HRs and they have Mauer. Their bullpen is 5th best in the AL, 2nd best since the All-Star Break. Their starting pitching is average but Duensing is 6th in ERA among AL starters since the All Star break. No one said they were better than anyone else or compared them to any of the other teams. It was said they are "horrible" which is a gross over statemnet for a team about to win 11 of 12 and with quite a few players having very nice years. To think otherwise is

 

[awesomeness]

The twins roster is pretty damn weak. Thinking otherwise is

So you agree it is horrible?

Relative to other AL team rosters in the playoff hunt, i would consider their roster to be closer to horrible than i would to good.

Great backpedel. Kubel is 11th in the AL in OPS, Span is 8th in hitting, Cuddyer is 10th in HRs and they have Mauer. Their bullpen is 5th best in the AL, 2nd best since the All-Star Break. Their starting pitching is average but Duensing is 6th in ERA among AL starters since the All Star break. No one said they were better than anyone else or compared them to any of the other teams. It was said they are "horrible" which is a gross over statemnet for a team about to win 11 of 12 and with quite a few players having very nice years. To think otherwise is

backpedal? I wasn't the one to say the team was horrible. Comparing team's rosters relative to one another is essential to determining who is worthy of the MVP. Take any one player off the Yankees team and they will still make the playoffs 9 times out of 10. Take Joe Mauer off the Twins and they make the playoffs somewhere in the neighborhood of 0 times out of 10. And when determining who deserves the MVP it is a custom to eliminate all players not on a playoff hunt team barring astronomical numbers. Hence, i am in the right in comparing the Twins roster to other AL playoff hunt rosters, imo.The fact that the Twins won 11 of 12 during a season doesn't mean much. Hell the Washington Nationals won 8 games in a row at one point. Any team that starts Brendan Harris as their DH multiple times during the season has a pretty weak roster. Nick Punto has been on fire all September; he's been able to raise his average to .231 now. The Twins combined ERA ranks #23rd in the league, safe to say below average. There rotation lacks an ace, as well as a #2. Of the SP's on the Twisn who are qualified for pitching titles in averaged categories, the lowest ERA any SP has is 4.18.

 

[jobarules]

I have zero problem with Jeter winning the MVP.

Mauer is having a historic season on a horrible team that is somehow only 2 GB the division leader. Morneau is hurt and Mauer plays the toughest position in baseball. He is a lock. And this coming from a Yankee fan who would love to see Jeter win one.

Horrible teams don't win 10 of 11 games in September. What is a horrible team to you? A team that doesn't win 90 games?

their roster without mauer is horrible

Ok so for the record you are saying Kubel, Cuddyer, and Span are all horrible. Just making sure I add this to my long list of dumb #### you've said at FBG. ETA: Is Shadyrdr suspended or did you just put him out of his misery?

great i got my first stalker

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Comparing team's rosters relative to one another is essential to determining who is worthy of the MVP. Take any one player off the Yankees team and they will still make the playoffs 9 times out of 10. Take Joe Mauer off the Twins and they make the playoffs somewhere in the neighborhood of 0 times out of 10. And when determining who deserves the MVP it is a custom to eliminate all players not on a playoff hunt team barring astronomical numbers. Hence, i am in the right in comparing the Twins roster to other AL playoff hunt rosters, imo.

I agree with that, didn't say I didn't. Again we are back to the definition of "horrible" as a general statement to describe the Twins.

The fact that the Twins won 11 of 12 during a season doesn't mean much. Hell the Washington Nationals won 8 games in a row at one point.

Disagree with this point. The Twins are winning 11 of 12 in September in a pennant race, that doesn't happen all the time. Horrible teams don't win 11 of 12 in a pennant race. Shady probably thinks the '87 Twins and '06 Cardinals are horrible too. Those teams won 84 and 83 games respectively.

Any team that starts Brendan Harris as their DH multiple times during the season has a pretty weak roster. Nick Punto has been on fire all September; he's been able to raise his average to .231 now. The Twins combined ERA ranks #23rd in the league, safe to say below average. There rotation lacks an ace, as well as a #2. Of the SP's on the Twisn who are qualified for pitching titles in averaged categories, the lowest ERA any SP has is 4.18.

Yeah but you are leaving out Cuddyer who would be 2nd on the yankees in HRs, Kubel, and Span who are are well above average this year. With Morneau and he played most of the year, Mauer had some pretty good bats hitting around him. Morneau is one of the best hitters in baseball and the other three are pretty damn good. The other 4 guys are crap, no argument here but the Tigers don't have Cuddyer, Kubel, or Morneau and Cabrera has put up the 2nd best numbers in the AL. If we want to really go player by player for the playoff teams and discuss the impact a hitter has had Cabrera IMO has had more. But Cabrera doesn't play catcher, that is the difference.

 

[Frostillicus]

Fine. I'll tell you.

Mauer, Morneau, Kubel, and Span are all completely, totally, and spectacularly awesome. Dr. D mentioned earlier that Kubel is 11th in OPS and that really surprised me - because he's been in the top 10 all year, usually around 7th. Cuddyer is on a run the likes of which I've rarely seen, but he's so streaky and his bad is so bad that I would rather not have him than have him (not right now, but usually).

That's it. And everybody else is god awful. They have a very good core, but nothing else at all. At all.

 

[the moops]

CC was pretty ####in dominant since Aug

And?

 

[jobarules]

CC was pretty ####in dominant since Aug

And?

and nothing. ive already stated greinke is a lock. jeez