ESPN and other outlets are not running with this story the past month regarding T-Town Menswear and all the memorabilia and tell me how did Julio Jones receive all those custom suits. I'm sure 16 is a bit excessive but even 2 or 3 should be a violation. If this happened at Auburn it would be all over ESPN.
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Alabama and T-Town Menswear where is the coverage (1 Viewer)
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Do you understand this:
Bylaw 12.5.2.1. That rule states:
“After becoming a student-athlete, an individual shall not be eligible for participation in intercollegiate athletics if the individual accepts any remuneration for or permits the use of his or here name or picture to advertise, recommend or promote directly the sale or use of a commercial product or service of any kind.”
Bylaw 12.5.2.1. That rule states:
“After becoming a student-athlete, an individual shall not be eligible for participation in intercollegiate athletics if the individual accepts any remuneration for or permits the use of his or here name or picture to advertise, recommend or promote directly the sale or use of a commercial product or service of any kind.”
Premier
Footballguy
I don't even know what the #### you're talking about. It's like you were having a conversation with somebody else and we all just dropped into it.
T-Towns Facebook Pictures....
This picture was taken in 2009.
T-Towns FB Photos
Who is signing a helmet but Trent Richardson.....
This picture was taken in 2009.
T-Towns FB Photos
Who is signing a helmet but Trent Richardson.....
Hopefully NCAA will do what is right...
Hopefully the NCAA will look at Alabama as a program that has no regard for authority since it is currently on probation and reported 44 Secondary violations in July not including these and severely punishes them again.
Hopefully the NCAA will look at Alabama as a program that has no regard for authority since it is currently on probation and reported 44 Secondary violations in July not including these and severely punishes them again.
I guess no one wears a suit at Auburn. If they did, they'd know a little about buying one. They offered they players the same kinds of deals they'd offer anyone coming off the street. Look at the ads in the paper and on TV. Buy one suit get two free is the kind of offer anyone can get. There is zero proof that any player didn't pay for the merchandise they received. That's why the only crying going on about this is from Auburn fans. It isn't at all like the Cam Newton thing. lol
mon
(T)ool
Death Threats made OKTC Writers
Seems like there is no other sport team in Alabama besides the Crimson Tide how these fans react to negative press.
Longtime readers of the mailbag -- and we've been doing this mailbag now for five years -- know that I always give out the beaver pelt trader of the week award. This week's award is going to a writer for OKTC. His piece this week personifies the scope of what I want this site to be, fun, fearless, and with absolutely stellar writing. So if you haven't gotten a chance to read LT's piece, The Complicated Mistress, go check it out.
He's our beaver pelt trader of the week. I hope he relishes the award from his military base in the sandy Middle-East.
Now on to the death threats:
Chuck writes:
"Clay, your back is unwatched and should be coated in Kevlar."
Not to be outdone, Chuck also left a phone number: 774-265-4521
Seriously, his phone number. One of y'all should call him and ask why he left his phone number with me. Is that death threat courtesy? Did he expect me to call and try to talk him out of the death threat?
How would our call have gone? Here's my best guess.
Me: Hello, this is Clay Travis, you just threatened to kill me.
Chuck: (beer cans scatter onto floor of double wide trailer, dogs bark, a fourteenth child cries for want of milk) We have 743 national championships. How many do you have?
Me: None, the same number as you.
Chuck: I hate yew.
Me: Do you hate me or Cam Newton more?
Chuck: (In fuliminating rage, has heart attack, dies.)
So maybe I should call Chuck.
Or maybe y'all should.
Robbie writes:
"let me tell you one thing clay, you sun of a #####.best thing for you to do is keep your f----- mouth shut....you worthless pile of s---.i know you live in nashville .pray i don`t find you...."
He also left me his email address, as all good death threateners do: rml011873@hotmail.com
I've got a feeling that 90% of Internet death threats come from hotmail addresses. If you're dumb enough to still use a hotmail address, you're probably dumb enough to leave your actual email address on a death threat.
Also, "sun of a #####?" I mean, can you even make that up?
Christy:
Clay, why do you hate Alabama so much?
I got so many variations of this question that I thought I should respond.
Look, I don't hate Alabama. I actually love it down there. And, seriously, I like Alabama and Auburn fans. Both of you.
Every single time I've been to games in the state I've had a spectacular time. Your state is the heartbeat of college football. I went on Jack Arute and Mike Leach's show and my donation nearly doubled the amount of money they raised at their tornado benefit show. So I actually like y'all. I know it's easier for y'all to dismiss the story if you think I'm motivated by hate.
But I'm not.
At all.
Would I prefer that, say, OKTC broke the Ohio State story instead of the Alabama one? Yes, because I'm an SEC guy. But trust me, we're going to make a lot of programs squirm before all is said and done on this site. Right now Alabama is the one squirming.
But OTKC is going to have a ton of programs in the crosshairs before all is said and done. We're not going to discriminate on what we cover, who we cover, or how scandalous those stories may be. We're completely independent so we can actually chase stories that other entities -- cough, ESPN, cough -- are too much of pansies to cover.
Why are we doing this?
The answer is simple: the NCAA rulebook is broken and stories that we'll break will lead to an NCAA rulebook that actually makes more sense. I mean, does it really make logical sense to any one with half a brain that if Julio Jones got three free suits in 2009 Alabama's national title could be taken away?
Of course not.
Any system with punishments such as these is laughable. But right now that's the system we have. And I think the NCAA's rules on amateurism are a lot like the mortgage crisis that suddenly blew up in our country --both relied on a foundation of untruths and a cabal of complicit individiduals making a ton of money who knew the real truth but were just too incentivized to acknowledge that truth. Just as a stripper in Las Vegas shouldn't have been able to buy five $500k houses, there's no way in hell that men's football players and basketball players are amateurs. Applying an amateur standard to them is a fundamentally flawed system of jurisprudence.
We're going to blow up the NCAA before all is said and done. Stories like the Alabama one prove what a crap system currently exists. Shining the light on them exposes the fraudulent foundation of modern college athletics.
Ryan P. writes:
Think about this scenario:
Hundreds of pictures are cirulating all over the interwebz of Cam Newton, Nick Fairley, Michael Dyer, and other Auburn players signing hundreds of autographs on hundreds of different types of memorabilia in a suit store owned by an Auburn booster. Auburn became aware that the owner was selling these items and HAND DELIVERED a generic cease and desist letter to the owner without addressing it to him or the business. THEN, after he apparently didn't cooperate with the cease and desist, then hand delivered him a disassociation letter three months later. Then...THEN....Gene Chizik goes on national radio three days ago (four months after the disassociation was supposedly delivered) and says...and I quote "we sent him a cease and desist a long time ago so that was taken care of. I'm not aware of any wrong doing so until someone proves to me that rules were broken, and they haven't yet, I'm not going to ban our players from going there. It wouldn't be fair to our players."
The national media would absolutely rip Chizik apart, and Finebaum would literally be laughing, scoffing, and calling for him to be fired. Chizik and Auburn would be the laughing stock of college football. But if the all powerful Nick Saban says it, everyone nods their head in agreement and doesn't question a thing. This is not a joke..Nick Saban said it. First of all, God forbid the dictator that is THE NICK SABAN, who is in control of EVERY SINGLE ASPECT of HIS football program, from top to bottom ask his players to stop hanging out in a men's clothing store. I mean, that wouldn't be fair. And what would his poor players do in their spare time? Secondly, if their utter failure of a compliance department saw enough shady crap going on that they not only sent the booster a cease and desist letter, but later completely disassociated themselves from him, then aren't those possibly...maybe good enough reasons for Lord Nick to go out on an "unfair" limb with his players and ask them to...I don't know...maybe stop going to the store? No...of course not. I mean, no one had PROVEN TO HIM THAT RULES HAD BEEN BROKEN. Wouldn't want to be unfair to those poor players that like to hang out in men's clothing stores. Hey little nicky, if your compliance department disassociates from a booster, and 4 months later you still haven't told your players to stop hanging out in his store, signing hundreds of autographs, and posing for pictures, you might want to go ahead and do that. This is not a joke. This actually happened. Nick Saban actually said what I quoted above. And NOT ANYONE has questioned the utter stupidity of that statement and the obvious questions it raises. You can't make this stuff up.
Seems like there is no other sport team in Alabama besides the Crimson Tide how these fans react to negative press.
Longtime readers of the mailbag -- and we've been doing this mailbag now for five years -- know that I always give out the beaver pelt trader of the week award. This week's award is going to a writer for OKTC. His piece this week personifies the scope of what I want this site to be, fun, fearless, and with absolutely stellar writing. So if you haven't gotten a chance to read LT's piece, The Complicated Mistress, go check it out.
He's our beaver pelt trader of the week. I hope he relishes the award from his military base in the sandy Middle-East.
Now on to the death threats:
Chuck writes:
"Clay, your back is unwatched and should be coated in Kevlar."
Not to be outdone, Chuck also left a phone number: 774-265-4521
Seriously, his phone number. One of y'all should call him and ask why he left his phone number with me. Is that death threat courtesy? Did he expect me to call and try to talk him out of the death threat?
How would our call have gone? Here's my best guess.
Me: Hello, this is Clay Travis, you just threatened to kill me.
Chuck: (beer cans scatter onto floor of double wide trailer, dogs bark, a fourteenth child cries for want of milk) We have 743 national championships. How many do you have?
Me: None, the same number as you.
Chuck: I hate yew.
Me: Do you hate me or Cam Newton more?
Chuck: (In fuliminating rage, has heart attack, dies.)
So maybe I should call Chuck.
Or maybe y'all should.
Robbie writes:
"let me tell you one thing clay, you sun of a #####.best thing for you to do is keep your f----- mouth shut....you worthless pile of s---.i know you live in nashville .pray i don`t find you...."
He also left me his email address, as all good death threateners do: rml011873@hotmail.com
I've got a feeling that 90% of Internet death threats come from hotmail addresses. If you're dumb enough to still use a hotmail address, you're probably dumb enough to leave your actual email address on a death threat.
Also, "sun of a #####?" I mean, can you even make that up?
Christy:
Clay, why do you hate Alabama so much?
I got so many variations of this question that I thought I should respond.
Look, I don't hate Alabama. I actually love it down there. And, seriously, I like Alabama and Auburn fans. Both of you.
Every single time I've been to games in the state I've had a spectacular time. Your state is the heartbeat of college football. I went on Jack Arute and Mike Leach's show and my donation nearly doubled the amount of money they raised at their tornado benefit show. So I actually like y'all. I know it's easier for y'all to dismiss the story if you think I'm motivated by hate.
But I'm not.
At all.
Would I prefer that, say, OKTC broke the Ohio State story instead of the Alabama one? Yes, because I'm an SEC guy. But trust me, we're going to make a lot of programs squirm before all is said and done on this site. Right now Alabama is the one squirming.
But OTKC is going to have a ton of programs in the crosshairs before all is said and done. We're not going to discriminate on what we cover, who we cover, or how scandalous those stories may be. We're completely independent so we can actually chase stories that other entities -- cough, ESPN, cough -- are too much of pansies to cover.
Why are we doing this?
The answer is simple: the NCAA rulebook is broken and stories that we'll break will lead to an NCAA rulebook that actually makes more sense. I mean, does it really make logical sense to any one with half a brain that if Julio Jones got three free suits in 2009 Alabama's national title could be taken away?
Of course not.
Any system with punishments such as these is laughable. But right now that's the system we have. And I think the NCAA's rules on amateurism are a lot like the mortgage crisis that suddenly blew up in our country --both relied on a foundation of untruths and a cabal of complicit individiduals making a ton of money who knew the real truth but were just too incentivized to acknowledge that truth. Just as a stripper in Las Vegas shouldn't have been able to buy five $500k houses, there's no way in hell that men's football players and basketball players are amateurs. Applying an amateur standard to them is a fundamentally flawed system of jurisprudence.
We're going to blow up the NCAA before all is said and done. Stories like the Alabama one prove what a crap system currently exists. Shining the light on them exposes the fraudulent foundation of modern college athletics.
Ryan P. writes:
Think about this scenario:
Hundreds of pictures are cirulating all over the interwebz of Cam Newton, Nick Fairley, Michael Dyer, and other Auburn players signing hundreds of autographs on hundreds of different types of memorabilia in a suit store owned by an Auburn booster. Auburn became aware that the owner was selling these items and HAND DELIVERED a generic cease and desist letter to the owner without addressing it to him or the business. THEN, after he apparently didn't cooperate with the cease and desist, then hand delivered him a disassociation letter three months later. Then...THEN....Gene Chizik goes on national radio three days ago (four months after the disassociation was supposedly delivered) and says...and I quote "we sent him a cease and desist a long time ago so that was taken care of. I'm not aware of any wrong doing so until someone proves to me that rules were broken, and they haven't yet, I'm not going to ban our players from going there. It wouldn't be fair to our players."
The national media would absolutely rip Chizik apart, and Finebaum would literally be laughing, scoffing, and calling for him to be fired. Chizik and Auburn would be the laughing stock of college football. But if the all powerful Nick Saban says it, everyone nods their head in agreement and doesn't question a thing. This is not a joke..Nick Saban said it. First of all, God forbid the dictator that is THE NICK SABAN, who is in control of EVERY SINGLE ASPECT of HIS football program, from top to bottom ask his players to stop hanging out in a men's clothing store. I mean, that wouldn't be fair. And what would his poor players do in their spare time? Secondly, if their utter failure of a compliance department saw enough shady crap going on that they not only sent the booster a cease and desist letter, but later completely disassociated themselves from him, then aren't those possibly...maybe good enough reasons for Lord Nick to go out on an "unfair" limb with his players and ask them to...I don't know...maybe stop going to the store? No...of course not. I mean, no one had PROVEN TO HIM THAT RULES HAD BEEN BROKEN. Wouldn't want to be unfair to those poor players that like to hang out in men's clothing stores. Hey little nicky, if your compliance department disassociates from a booster, and 4 months later you still haven't told your players to stop hanging out in his store, signing hundreds of autographs, and posing for pictures, you might want to go ahead and do that. This is not a joke. This actually happened. Nick Saban actually said what I quoted above. And NOT ANYONE has questioned the utter stupidity of that statement and the obvious questions it raises. You can't make this stuff up.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
I'm waiting for the OP to respond to this. Might be a long wait...
Insein
Footballguy
That is exactly what this is. He keeps responding to an imaginary poster that we don't have access to. Makes for great schtick though even if this guy is probably legit.
Mark Davis
Footballguy
I'd be careful about dismissing paying for autographs at either school. Again, I don't know this guy from the suit store, but the paying for autographs has happened for years and the facilitator could be hit with a rock from that spot. Again, I think it's a minor deal and neither school could be expected to stop that part, but it has occurred at both and has for years.For the record, USC is still the 2004 AP National Champion so I think the precedent has been pretty much set no matter what occurs with any program, not specifically Auburn.
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gump
Footballguy
Thankfully we have leadership that doesn't 'dismiss' anything....I'm glad the rest of the country will see that some SEC entities can work with the NCAA, and its not a conference-wide cancer.
Mark Davis
Footballguy
This thing has reared its ugly head again. I messaged a buddy of mine who still lives in Tuscaloosa who used to be heavy in the autograph and memorabilia business and still fools with it a bit. He said the issue is even after the cease and desist, this Al-betar guy opened a memorabilia store in University Mall where it's near impossible to go by there and not see current players in there. I'm not sure if the cease and desist just angered this guy and he's trying to act stupid, if he is stupid, or just doesn't care. Since this guy obviously isn't stopping the only answer is to put it off limits to current players. These things go on but they should be discreet.
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