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Albert Haynesworth a free agent next year (1 Viewer)
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scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
I thought this from rotoworld was pretty interesting...
And will he still be as nasty and hungry once he gets that huge payday from someone? 
A couple thoughts. I'm sure the Titans will like to try and lock him up but he'd be foolish not to see first what he could get on the open market, and who's interested. Who would not like to have Big Al stopping the run and breaking down pockets on their team for the next 5 years?Also, I'm wondering what kind of character we're talking about with this guy. Did he bust his butt this year knowing that a probowl season would make it impossible for a franchise tag?
And will he still be as nasty and hungry once he gets that huge payday from someone?
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Can't they just franchise tag him?
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enfuego
Footballguy
No. According to their contract & pre-season agreement, should he meet one of four incentives tied to performance during the season, (Pro-bowl one of them) the Titans would make him a free agent.
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Pots
Footballguy
I expect the Bucs to go after him, and if he is just looking for a pay day they will be one of the front runners. Tampa is in a very good cap position, and he would be the missing piece to a dominant defense. Hovan has been hurt, and imo that was a big part of us losing the last 2 games.
sho nuff
Footballguy
While he might be foolish to not see...he does want to stay here.I thought this from rotoworld was pretty interesting...
A couple thoughts. I'm sure the Titans will like to try and lock him up but he'd be foolish not to see first what he could get on the open market, and who's interested. Who would not like to have Big Al stopping the run and breaking down pockets on their team for the next 5 years?Also, I'm wondering what kind of character we're talking about with this guy. Did he bust his butt this year knowing that a probowl season would make it impossible for a franchise tag?And will he still be as nasty and hungry once he gets that huge payday from someone?
shader
Footballguy
He's a huge risk/reward player.
Risks:
Gets hurt every year. Gets banged up easily. Has had motivation problems in the past
Rewards:
Best DT in the game when he's 100%
He's going to get tons of money somewhere and it will be interesting if that makes him fat and lazy or if he keeps playing hard.
Risks:
Gets hurt every year. Gets banged up easily. Has had motivation problems in the past
Rewards:
Best DT in the game when he's 100%
He's going to get tons of money somewhere and it will be interesting if that makes him fat and lazy or if he keeps playing hard.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Hey, I have wondered about this for awhile since I don't see many Bucs games. Is Hovan that good? He was supposed to be a "rising star" or whatever in Minn., soup commercials etc. but then seemed to fizzle.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Not a Bucs fan...but from my perspective seeing him agaisnt the Pack...he was ok, never great...but made a name for himself by trying to create a rivalry with Favre...and he copied former Vike John Randle. Though, Randle was actually good.
Lobary
Footballguy
If I were a GM, this would be my only concern. He is one of the most dominant defensive players in the NFL but he has a past history with laziness. Would he be as beastly without the contract incentive? I'm not convinced...but I might just take the plunge and pay the man.And will he still be as nasty and hungry once he gets that huge payday from someone?
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
There will be no shortage of suitors for sure.
My guess on his contract when all is said and done; 7 years $91M total value - $35-40M guaranteed.
As a Falcon fan, I'd love to see him anchoring our middle. Have no clue on potential pursuit.
My guess on his contract when all is said and done; 7 years $91M total value - $35-40M guaranteed.
As a Falcon fan, I'd love to see him anchoring our middle. Have no clue on potential pursuit.
Lash
Footballguy
as a Titans fan, he is the best DT in the league and the most likely to be the one surrounded by trainers on the field during the game
whenever the announcers on the radio/TV say "a Titan is down on the field" - i know who it is before they see the number and reveal it
he usually back in the game next series so I don't know if that makes him a warrior or gimpy or low pain threshold or a combination of
i do suspect the Titans will offer a lot but i'd also guess that they will get outbid because they are scared of his downside (injuries, laziness, etc)
whenever the announcers on the radio/TV say "a Titan is down on the field" - i know who it is before they see the number and reveal it
he usually back in the game next series so I don't know if that makes him a warrior or gimpy or low pain threshold or a combination of
i do suspect the Titans will offer a lot but i'd also guess that they will get outbid because they are scared of his downside (injuries, laziness, etc)
sho nuff
Footballguy
I hope he makes a run here or at Peppers.And the Woodson run came after a bad year...now another one, will he do it?I don't know.Woodson he did late in the year, he generally has not liked to go in early and just outbid everyone.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Kind of how Kearse was his last 2 years or so in his first run with the Titans.
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Chunky Soup
Footballguy
He sounds like a Raiders kind of guy to me.
-- Probably will need a lot of money to be hired.
-- Great player, bit of a jerk.
-- Injured often
-- Probably will need a lot of money to be hired.
-- Great player, bit of a jerk.
-- Injured often
sho nuff
Footballguy
Since when do they pay high amounts to players who actually produce though?
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
There was not a lot of interest around the league in Woodson when GB signed him. Of course I would like them to make a play for Haynesworth but I doubt they would be the highest bidder. Not the kind of contract they like to shell out for.
He revived his career in Tampa. He isn't a flashy player, but he clogs up the middle. Doesn't get to the QB too often, but draws double teams sometimes. I didn't realize how important he was until he got hurt.
griz145389
Footballguy
A lot of people thought that Woodson didn't have much left in the tank at the time he signed with Green Bay. Ted would never go after a guy like Haynesworth.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Atlanta Falcons: Mike Smith knows what big time DTs can do for his defense having had Stroud and Henderson for years in Jacksonville. Smithy is also quite familiar with Haynesworth having faced him twice a season while in Jax.
Contact would be incentive heavy with no less than 25m guaranteed, likely closer to 30m.
Contact would be incentive heavy with no less than 25m guaranteed, likely closer to 30m.
PatrickT
Footballguy
I hope not. I can see this guy getting his fat contract and then under-performing. I can't stand him, and don't want him in a Falcon jersey. I just really have no desire to cheer for this guy. It really doesn't seem to fit Dimitroff's M.O., but he's too new to really know for sure what his M.O. is, I suppose.
We do desperately need a NT...
loose circuits
Footballguy
Rogers and Jenkins playing the NT well in the 3-4 only helped his stock too cause he can go to any team.
jerry jones is probably already opening his piggy bank trying to fit this thing under the cap
jerry jones is probably already opening his piggy bank trying to fit this thing under the cap
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are you sure it's in writing and not just a verbal agreement?
Fisher has commented several times that they've been chatting about a new deal. Not sure if you take that as-good they're talking, or and yet there still is no deal.
I'd guess that Albert and Andre Gurode episode will still hurt his FA bidding. He's well behaved but I'd bet there's GMs that just won't care.
Bosch's spot is horrible against the run this year(29th?). Is he "old" or just injured? There's a ton of money available there if they can free it up somehow. Teams are running right there and they'll have to address it for the playoffs and in 09.
I'd guess that Albert and Andre Gurode episode will still hurt his FA bidding. He's well behaved but I'd bet there's GMs that just won't care.
Bosch's spot is horrible against the run this year(29th?). Is he "old" or just injured? There's a ton of money available there if they can free it up somehow. Teams are running right there and they'll have to address it for the playoffs and in 09.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Why don't you see it with him?Went to Tennessee...loves it in Nashville...very smart articulate guy.Just wondering why you don't see it with Haynesworth and just think he goes where the biggest money is?
I think there could be hard feelings about not getting extended last year. I understand it's business, but if I was a player i would take it a little personal. A franchise tag pretty much says we like you, but we don't love you.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Yeah...but I think they countered that with agreeing not to do it this year if he meets certain requirements. That may help.Just from what I have read about him, having heard him on the radio...I don't get the feeling that it will just be about money.
Big 'N Tasty
Footballguy
I've always thought about the possibility of owners paying players "under the table." Such as, signing someone to a contract that will fit under the cap, but then sliding him $10 million into an account in Switzerland or somethin'. Obviously it's against all NFL rules and regulations and would be incredibly bad if found out, but I would think these guys have enough accountants and lawyers that they could get away with it without being noticed.
sho nuff
Footballguy
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/1...orth-a-fortune/
Nice article today on big Al and contract...
Nice article today on big Al and contract...
bmetz
Footballguy
I'd be amazed if the Titans ponied up that kinda dough. Scary thought too, as IMO our defense will fall to pieces without a solid pass rush.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
i would be shocked if TEN lets him go...
he is probably the most valuable player on the team at any position, and a legit league MVP candidate (i don't think he was going to win, & this chance probably further reduced with his missing last two weeks... but he absolutely should be in the conversation)...
DT typically isn't a highly prioritized position (compared to QB, LT, DE, CB), but haynseworth is a mutant & a force of nature that transcends some of the limitations of his position... i may be forgetting some DL in the intervening years, but in the past two seasons, he has been the most dominant big man on the DL & two way defender (stopping run AND pass) i've seen since reggie white in his prime... he consistently ties up multiple blockers, almost single-handedly DESTROYS an opponent's run game, pushes the pocket & can get to the QB... & by wreaking havoc behind the LOS he enables his teammates to make plays...
whoever signs him is going to have to cough up a lot of money, & he seems destined to become one of the highest paid defenders in the NFL...
the wild card is that the titans know him better than anybody... if they are concerned he will get fat & lazy after the big payday, all bets could be off... they could write in performance incentives into the contract, but if they are competing in the open market & other teams are trying harder to woo him by promising more guaranteed, up front money, that could complicate the titans job in trying to extend him, & they may have to think hard about the cost/benefit analysis...
i think part of the thought process & decision that follows will be something like this...
if they sign him to a huge contract it will limit their options to sign other players & he MIGHT get fat & lazy
if they DON'T sign him, their defense will DEFINITELY have a gaping hole in his absence
imo, they almost have to do everything they can to sign him, & roll the dice he continues to work... i don't think haynesworth has always been this good, but he is playing like a HoF caliber DL the past two seasons... hopefully, for the titans sake, he realizes how good he can be & continues to play with the same effort, as he has the kind of rare talent to leave a lasting legacy...
* another X-factor could be is haynesworth likes his coach/es, teammates & the city, that could foster some organizational good will... if they make a competitive, market value offer, that could tip the scales in TEN's direction... of course, if it is significantly off what he could get elsewhere, i don't think his loyalty will extend THAT far...
he is probably the most valuable player on the team at any position, and a legit league MVP candidate (i don't think he was going to win, & this chance probably further reduced with his missing last two weeks... but he absolutely should be in the conversation)...
DT typically isn't a highly prioritized position (compared to QB, LT, DE, CB), but haynseworth is a mutant & a force of nature that transcends some of the limitations of his position... i may be forgetting some DL in the intervening years, but in the past two seasons, he has been the most dominant big man on the DL & two way defender (stopping run AND pass) i've seen since reggie white in his prime... he consistently ties up multiple blockers, almost single-handedly DESTROYS an opponent's run game, pushes the pocket & can get to the QB... & by wreaking havoc behind the LOS he enables his teammates to make plays...
whoever signs him is going to have to cough up a lot of money, & he seems destined to become one of the highest paid defenders in the NFL...
the wild card is that the titans know him better than anybody... if they are concerned he will get fat & lazy after the big payday, all bets could be off... they could write in performance incentives into the contract, but if they are competing in the open market & other teams are trying harder to woo him by promising more guaranteed, up front money, that could complicate the titans job in trying to extend him, & they may have to think hard about the cost/benefit analysis...
i think part of the thought process & decision that follows will be something like this...
if they sign him to a huge contract it will limit their options to sign other players & he MIGHT get fat & lazy
if they DON'T sign him, their defense will DEFINITELY have a gaping hole in his absence
imo, they almost have to do everything they can to sign him, & roll the dice he continues to work... i don't think haynesworth has always been this good, but he is playing like a HoF caliber DL the past two seasons... hopefully, for the titans sake, he realizes how good he can be & continues to play with the same effort, as he has the kind of rare talent to leave a lasting legacy...
* another X-factor could be is haynesworth likes his coach/es, teammates & the city, that could foster some organizational good will... if they make a competitive, market value offer, that could tip the scales in TEN's direction... of course, if it is significantly off what he could get elsewhere, i don't think his loyalty will extend THAT far...
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packersfan
Footballguy
I wish Thompson had the stones to pursue an elite player like Haynesworth. He'd be an incredible talent upgrade for the Packers.
Unfortunately, Teddy seems more interested in hoarding all of the team's cap space and not spending any of it.
Unfortunately, Teddy seems more interested in hoarding all of the team's cap space and not spending any of it.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
If Thompson lacked "stones" Favre would still be slangin' in GB.
Oh wait, wrong thread.
Oh wait, wrong thread.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I think they were about $5 mil under after the Rodgers deal. Wanted to do something with Jennings too but he declined til after the season.Not sure how much they have spent since the Rodgers deal as far as on injury replacements or how that affects the cap for this year.I don't see him signing Haynesworth. Id like it...but its alot of coin for a guy who will miss some time just about every year due to injury and has had motivational issues in the past...plus attitude issues and can flip at any time. He is most likely worth that risk though.
