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Alec Baldwin killed a woman on set with prop gun (1 Viewer)

John123 said:
I've read a lot of articles on this case and general firearms safety/rules on set and have not seen this.  You keep saying it but you haven't provided any supporting evidence that it is in fact SOP in Hollywood.  If that were the case I think it would make Hollywood part of committing a crime since it violates the first rule of gun safety.   Can you support this assertion?
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I wish I would have saved the link, to be honest.  I read about it from numerous insiders on another site, and the thread has now vanished due to too much bickering about it (due to the political angle). Cripes.  

brun said:
I'd be willing to bet this is a union thing to ensure the value of the prop/gun people as well as insulate the actor people from responsibility if something goes wrong.
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That sounds about right. 

 
I would think the act of opening a "safe" gun to inspect it by an untrained person might reset the need for the official handler inspection. 

 
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/01/entertainment/alec-baldwin-interview/index.html

Alec Baldwin told ABC News he never pulled the trigger of the gun that shot director of photography Halyna Hutchins on the set of "Rust."

"The trigger wasn't pulled. I didn't pull the trigger," Baldwin said in an excerpt released Wednesday from the sit-down interview -- his first since the October shooting.

When asked why he pointed the gun at Hutchins and pulled the trigger when that wasn't in the script, Baldwin said, "I would never point a gun at anyone and then pull the trigger, never."

Baldwin also said he has no idea how a live bullet got in the Colt .45 revolver he used in the scene. "Someone put a live bullet in the gun, a bullet that wasn't even supposed to be on the property," he said.
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Huh?

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
He was practicing a cross draw. Not aiming and shooting. When he pulled the gun from the holster is accidentally went off. He didn’t pull the trigger per se. 
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you would have to do a lot of mental gymnastics to get to the point where you think he didn’t pull the trigger. 

 
Regardless of if the gun was aimed or pointed intentionally at someone or not with any kind of gun training it is drilled into you to never have the barrel of any gun facing someone, loaded or unloaded. Ultimately Baldwin shares the final blame in a series of tragic blunders with multiple people at fault.

 
Cjw_55106 said:
So you agree that he did not pull the trigger?
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I don't have any reason to doubt it.  It's completely plausible, I shared a story earlier about a rifle that went off without a trigger pull.  It happens.  I'd guess it's pretty close to the leading cause of firearm deaths. 

 
Dezbelief said:
Regardless of if the gun was aimed or pointed intentionally at someone or not with any kind of gun training it is drilled into you to never have the barrel of any gun facing someone, loaded or unloaded. Ultimately Baldwin shares the final blame in a series of tragic blunders with multiple people at fault.
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I think he's saying he pulled the barrel across her and didn't aim it, and it simply went off as he was raising it upwards.  

 
Was gun in his hands or not? Pretty simple. Yea it was an accident but someone is responsible for killing someone on set. 

 
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I could see a scenario where he halfcocked the hammer when he put the gun in his holster and it went off as he raised it. 

Bottom line, you check the gun twice the moment you put your hands on it. SOP. 

 
Dezbelief said:
Regardless of if the gun was aimed or pointed intentionally at someone or not with any kind of gun training it is drilled into you to never have the barrel of any gun facing someone, loaded or unloaded. Ultimately Baldwin shares the final blame in a series of tragic blunders with multiple people at fault.
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He was the producer of this thing so ultimately all the safety standards, or lack thereof, are his responsibility.  The whole trigger issue may be somewhat moot as all reports have been that the safety standards there were terrible and not corrected.

 
Sinn Fein said:
Sand said:
He was the producer of this thing so ultimately all the safety standards, or lack thereof, are his responsibility. 
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Was he "THE" producer, or "A" producer?
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Quick google came up with this blurb:

“The six credited producers on the independent film ‘Rust,’ Ryan Smith, Alec Baldwin, Nathan Klingher, Ryan Winterstern, Matt DelPiano and Anjul Nigam, collectively have more than 35 years’ experience producing small to mid-level film and television projects,” Cheney said. 

 "Streamline Global, Emily Salveson and I ["Cheney"] received executive producer credit on the film ‘Rust,’ having no involvement with the physical and day to day production.”

 
Something else that doesn't sit right with me is that "nobody knew" there were live rounds on set. The guns were taken off set for target practice. Off set could mean a few yards away. I find it hard to believe that the entire set didn't hear the gunshots of the target practice. They didn't know there were live rounds on set, but they knew were live rounds just a little ways off set. It's in the same category as Aaron Rodgers and his I have immunity answer, intentional deception. 

 
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Runkle said:
While doing the cross-draw, he could have caught the hammer on the holster, clothing, etc. and that set it off.
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Yeah, then you are getting into Aaron Rodgers type of explanation. He certainly didn’t mention that if it happened that way. 

 
Cjw_55106 said:
Yeah, then you are getting into Aaron Rodgers type of explanation. He certainly didn’t mention that if it happened that way. 
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A gun does not just randomly fire itself, he did something that caused the gun to fire. 

 
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culdeus said:
Google Remington 700 if you truly believe this.
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I'm not trying to downplay that issue as it is serious, but it is not applicable to this case and doesn't change my point that the gun does not just shoot itself (it doesn't just fire while sitting in a closet for example), while that model has had misfires the person is still actively doing something with the gun when it goes off, such as loading/unloading, turning the safety on/off, etc...  The gun should never be pointed at another person either, which clearly happened here. 

 
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GreenNGold said:
Not applicable to this case and doesn't change my point that the gun does not just shoot itself (it doesn't just fire while sitting in a closet for example), while that model has had misfires the person is still actively doing something with the gun when it goes off, such as loading/unloading, turning the safety on/off, etc...  The gun should never be pointed at another person even if you don't think it is going to shoot either. 
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The issue here is having a live round in a real gun.  Or as it would seem having a live round anywhere in the facility.  

 
If he pulled the trigger back (half cocked?) as he described, he prepared the gun to be fired. He looked awful in the interview - lousy makeup job and huge bags under his eyes and looked pale. Oh yeah, assume there is live ammo in the gun so "don't friicking point it at any one"!

 
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Phil Elliott said:
If he pulled the trigger back (half cocked?) as he described, he prepared the gun to be fired. He looked awful in the interview - lousy makeup job and huge bags under his eyes and looked pale. Oh yeah, assume there is live ammo in the gun so "don't friicking point it at any one"!
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Horrible acting job, as usual. And he's full of ####, as usual.

 
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beer 30 said:
Surprisingly, dude kinda comes off as a ##### bag in that interview. Go figure
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He looked really bad. This was far from unscripted. You think his attorneys would have let him go on national TV without having the answers rehearsed?
 

This was all about him wanting to get his spin out there. He seemed to be throwing people under the bus left and right and going out of his way to point responsibility any way but at him. I found the interview to be really disingenuous and the crying to be acting.
 

“I don’t feel any guilt because I wasn’t responsible” (paraphrasing). That line was for a future jury’s consumption. 

 
T J said:
He looked really bad. This was far from unscripted. You think his attorneys would have let him go on national TV without having the answers rehearsed?
 

This was all about him wanting to get his spin out there. He seemed to be throwing people under the bus left and right and going out of his way to point responsibility any way but at him. I found the interview to be really disingenuous and the crying to be acting.
 

“I don’t feel any guilt because I wasn’t responsible” (paraphrasing). That line was for a future jury’s consumption. 
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In what world is he getting charged with a crime?  

 
Galileo said:
Aside from the politics, it probably wouldn't be too cool to exploit someone's tragic death for the sake of humor.
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I don't disagree. You can do a parody of Baldwin without referencing the shooting incident.

 
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Everything is at her direction,” Baldwin told a sycophantic George Stephanopoulos during a jaw-dropping, hourlong interview that aired Thursday night.

“I’m holding the gun where she told me to hold it,” Baldwin said, “which ended up right below her armpit. Which is what I was told — I don’t know.”

There was so much Baldwin claimed not to know.

And Stephanopoulos, his longtime friend from the Hamptons — not that the average viewer would know that — was only too eager to pitch softball after softball.

Yes, one of ABC’s leading journalists — I use that term loosely — hardly challenged Baldwin when he claimed, repeatedly, that he never pulled the trigger, that the gun just went rogue.

“I would never point a gun at anyone,” Baldwin said — despite his earlier assertion that Hutchins had told him to point the gun at her, so he did — “and pull the trigger at them. Never.”

“The bullet striking and killing that woman came out of the barrel of the gun pointed directly at her,” says retired FBI Agent Bobby Chacon, who now works as a writer and on-set consultant in Hollywood.

“Bullets don’t curve. He isn’t in ‘The Matrix.’ The trigger would still have to be pulled.”

“I’m not aware of any gun firing itself,” says Steve Wolf, a Hollywood firearms and special-effects expert since 1994. “I’ve never seen a gun self-discharge. A single-action revolver like this” — the Colt that Baldwin fired — “can be discharged very easily, with minimal input required … The trigger still must have been pressed.”

Wolf is also outraged by a larger concern. “It’s really important to discredit anyone who claims that guns fire themselves,” he says. “If this becomes an acceptable defense, there goes any accountability when it comes to shooting people. We can’t have this kind of ‘guns shoot themselves’ thing. They don’t.”
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jobarules said:
This POS said he never pulled the trigger and blamed the victim for telling him to point the gun at her. What a POS
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You realize there was a reasonable assumption the weapons were not real/loaded and this sometimes though rarely needs to happen when filming a movie right?  And directors do occasionally ask people to do stuff?  And there's more than enough to suggest the trigger wasn't pulled, it does happen.  Where is this hate from?  Why not direct it at the person who brought live ammo to the set or managed the guns?

 
culdeus said:
You realize there was a reasonable assumption the weapons were not real/loaded and this sometimes though rarely needs to happen when filming a movie right?  And directors do occasionally ask people to do stuff?  And there's more than enough to suggest the trigger wasn't pulled, it does happen.  Where is this hate from?  Why not direct it at the person who brought live ammo to the set or managed the guns?
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There is not a "single point of failure" in this situation... for something like this to happen in any decently run environment, at least 3 people have to make a mistake.

I think he deserves some, but not all, but not none, of the blame. I don't think he can be completely absolved. Nor is he the only one responsible. 

At least 3 people have to share responsibility.

 
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