Alec Baldwin killed a woman on set with prop gun (1 Viewer)

[GreenNGold]

You would be incorrect. 

No, you are incorrect.   He was handling the gun and did something to cause it to fire.  I don't know if it was the trigger or hammer or if the trigger might have gotten caught in his clothes or how exactly it happened.  

If the gun was sitting on a table it would not have went off, but you seem to think that happens?  

 

[GreenNGold]

Edit: delete duplicate 

 

[jobarules]

Im not a Alec Baldwin fan but that article seems to have an incredibly biased slant to it. 

lol its from the NY Post so it definitely does.

 

[T J]

In what world is he getting charged with a crime?  

Criminal is still possible but civil for sure. 

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

No, you are incorrect.   He was handling the gun and did something to cause it to fire.  I don't know if it was the trigger or hammer or if the trigger might have gotten caught in his clothes or how exactly it happened.  

If the gun was sitting on a table it would not have went off, but you seem to think that happens?  

You are way more emotionally invested in this than I am. I agree with you.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

If his name was Joe Schmo instead of Alec Baldwin how long would this thread be?

 

[Tom Servo]

Nice to see Stephanopoulos still gives tongue baths to his friends and fellow travelers.

 

[fred_1_15301]

You would be incorrect. 

I know nothing about guns so can you explain this to me?  A gun can just go off by itself randomly?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I know nothing about guns so can you explain this to me?  A gun can just go off by itself randomly?

Its was semantics. Yes its possible for a cocked and loaded gun to go off w/o pulling the trigger but its INCREDIBLY rare to the point that its essentially non existent. 

They can absolutely go off w/o pulling the trigger if they are being moved around or dropped. Still exceedingly rare but it happens. 

 

[[icon]]

I don't have any reason to doubt it.  It's completely plausible, I shared a story earlier about a rifle that went off without a trigger pull.  It happens.  I'd guess it's pretty close to the leading cause of firearm deaths. 

No. 

Not even close. 

The VAST majority of ND (negligent discharge) involve something pulling the trigger... could be finger (intentional or accidental) or it could get caught on something (fabric, holster, etc). 

Leading cause of Firearms death is not any form of ND, let alone one where a trigger is pulled. It's suicide. Accidental discharge is something like 1-2% of firearms deaths... and incidents where the trigger ISN'T pulled in any way is likely a low single digit percentage of that. 

 

[djmich]

Alec Baldwin rejects allegations of non-compliance with shooting probe

Police have been attempting to get hold of the actor's phone, which officers hope can aid their investigation.

But despite getting a search warrant more than three weeks ago, officials have been unable to obtain the device.

Mr Baldwin says specifying exactly what is needed from the phone takes time.

Hmmm

 

[[icon]]

Alec Baldwin rejects allegations of non-compliance with shooting probe

Hmmm

Lock the dude up already 

 

[stbugs]

Alec Baldwin rejects allegations of non-compliance with shooting probe

Hmmm

How is that possible? If I had a search warrant on my phone, something tells me I’d be in jail if I didn’t hand it over.

3 weeks is ridiculous.

 

[AAABatteries]

I can't read this thread title without being reminded that

CRAIG JAMES KILLED FIVE HOOKERS

 

[Sea Duck]

Alec Baldwin rejects allegations of non-compliance with shooting probe

Hmmm

How is that possible? If I had a search warrant on my phone, something tells me I’d be in jail if I didn’t hand it over.

3 weeks is ridiculous.

This is one of those situations where my personal dislike of an individual is eclipsed by my support of the Bill Of Rights.

The truth will come out. And if Baldwin tries to conceal evidence, that will come out as well.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I can't read this thread title without being reminded that

CRAIG JAMES KILLED FIVE HOOKERS*

*Allegedly

 

[Sinn Fein]

Sadly, I can't see the thread title without immediately thinking Baldwin killed a man while robbing his castle.

 

[Doug B]

How is that possible? If I had a search warrant on my phone, something tells me I’d be in jail if I didn’t hand it over.

3 weeks is ridiculous.

On another board, someone opined that Baldwin's lawyer and investigators are working out exactly what info from the phone will be released. If I'm following correctly, it's not being treated as a warrant on the physical phone, but instead on some proscribed set of data on the phone.

 

[stbugs]

On another board, someone opined that Baldwin's lawyer and investigators are working out exactly what info from the phone will be released. If I'm following correctly, it's not being treated as a warrant on the physical phone, but instead on some proscribed set of data on the phone.

Understand since I have no idea on the warrant but you know that rich celebrities get way more of a break than normal people in this situation. The not trusting part of me doesn’t really believe the phone is just sitting in a safe box so no one can tamper with it while they delay to work out the data set to review. 

 

[whoknew]

Understand since I have no idea on the warrant but you know that rich celebrities get way more of a break than normal people in this situation. The not trusting part of me doesn’t really believe the phone is just sitting in a safe box so no one can tamper with it while they delay to work out the data set to review. 

I would say that its not rich celebrities that get the break. Its rich people in general. Ones that can afford high priced lawyers.

 

[Dezbelief]

https://www.npr.org/2022/04/20/1093773059/rust-movie-shooting-firearms-safety-fine-alec-baldwin

New Mexico fines 'Rust' movie producers $139,793 for firearms safety failures

April 20, 20221:09 PM ET

SANTA FE, N.M. — New Mexico workplace safety regulators on Wednesday issued the maximum possible fine against a film production company for firearms safety failures on the set of "Rust" where a cinematographer was fatally shot in October 2021 by actor and producer Alec Baldwin.

New Mexico's Occupational Health and Safety Bureau said Rust Movie Productions must pay $139,793, and distributed a scathing narrative of safety failures in violation of standard industry protocols, including testimony that production managers took limited or no action to address two misfires on set prior to the fatal shooting. The bureau also documented gun safety complaints from crew members that went unheeded and said weapons specialists were not allowed to make decisions about additional safety training.

"What we had, based on our investigators' findings, was a set of obvious hazards to employees regarding the use of firearms and management's failure to act upon those obvious hazards," Bob Genoway, bureau chief for occupational safety, told The Associated Press.

At a ranch on the outskirts of Santa Fe on Oct. 21, 2021, Baldwin was pointing a gun at cinematographer Halyna Hutchins inside a small church during setup for the filming of a scene when it went off, killing Hutchins and wounding the director, Joel Souza.

Baldwin said in a December interview with ABC News that he was pointing the gun at Hutchins at her instruction on the New Mexico set of the Western film when it went off without his pulling the trigger.

The new occupational safety report confirms that a large-caliber revolver was handed to Baldwin by an assistant director, David Halls, without consulting with on-set weapons specialists during or after the gun was loaded. Regulators note that Halls also served as safety coordinator and that he was present and witnessed two accidental discharges of rifles on set, and that he and other managers who knew of the misfires took no investigative, corrective or disciplinary action. Crew members expressed surprise and discomfort.

"The Safety Coordinator was present on set and took no direct action to address safety concerns," the report states. "Management was provided with multiple opportunities to take corrective actions and chose not to do so. As a result of these failures, Director Joel Souza and cinematographer Halyna Hutchins were severely injured. Halyna Hutchins succumbed to her injuries."

A spokesman for Rust Movie Productions did not immediately respond to an email seeking comment. An attorney for Baldwin was not immediately available.

James Kenney, secretary of the Environment Department that oversees occupational safety, said the agency dedicated 1,500 staff hours to its investigation, examined hundreds of documents and conducted at least a dozen interviews with cast and crew members.

Investigators found production managers placed tight limits on resources for a small team that controlled weapons on set and failed to address concerns about a shotgun left unattended twice.

Armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed, the daughter of a sharpshooter and consultant to film productions, was limited to eight paid days as an armorer to oversee weapons and training, and was assigned otherwise to lighter duties as a props assistant. As her time as an armorer ran out, Gutierrez Reed warned a manager and was rebuffed.

Safety investigators also note that the production company did not develop a process to ensure live rounds of ammunition were not brought on set, in violation of industry safety protocols. Safety meetings were conducted, but not every day weapons were used, as required.

Investigations continue into possible criminal charges

Kenney said the separate investigations into possible criminal charges are still underway.

He said his agency received no direct safety complaints from cast or crew prior to the fatal shooting, even though anonymity is offered.

"This tragedy, this loss of life, it could have been prevented, and we want people to say something," he said.

Kenney was appointed in 2019 by Democratic Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham, a staunch advocate for the film industry who increased a state cap in industry incentives shortly after taking office.

New Mexico competes with non-Hollywood production sites in states such as Georgia, Louisiana and New York. Film productions have flocked to New Mexico in recent years to seize on its diverse outdoor scenery, moderate costs and generous state incentives, including a rebate of between 25% and 35% of in-state spending for video production that helps filmmakers large and small underwrite their work.

 

[dickey moe]

https://www.npr.org/2022/04/20/1093773059/rust-movie-shooting-firearms-safety-fine-alec-baldwin

New Mexico fines 'Rust' movie producers $139,793 for firearms safety failures

April 20, 20221:09 PM ET

SANTA FE, N.M. — New Mexico workplace safety regulators on Wednesday issued the maximum possible fine against a film production company for firearms safety failures on the set of "Rust" where a cinematographer was fatally shot in October 2021 by actor and producer Alec Baldwin.

New Mexico's Occupational Health and Safety Bureau said Rust Movie Productions must pay $139,793, and distributed a scathing narrative of safety failures in violation of standard industry protocols, including testimony that production managers took limited or no action to address two misfires on set prior to the fatal shooting. The bureau also documented gun safety complaints from crew members that went unheeded and said weapons specialists were not allowed to make decisions about additional safety training.

"What we had, based on our investigators' findings, was a set of obvious hazards to employees regarding the use of firearms and management's failure to act upon those obvious hazards," Bob Genoway, bureau chief for occupational safety, told The Associated Press.

At a ranch on the outskirts of Santa Fe on Oct. 21, 2021, Baldwin was pointing a gun at cinematographer Halyna Hutchins inside a small church during setup for the filming of a scene when it went off, killing Hutchins and wounding the director, Joel Souza.

Baldwin said in a December interview with ABC News that he was pointing the gun at Hutchins at her instruction on the New Mexico set of the Western film when it went off without his pulling the trigger.

The new occupational safety report confirms that a large-caliber revolver was handed to Baldwin by an assistant director, David Halls, without consulting with on-set weapons specialists during or after the gun was loaded. Regulators note that Halls also served as safety coordinator and that he was present and witnessed two accidental discharges of rifles on set, and that he and other managers who knew of the misfires took no investigative, corrective or disciplinary action. Crew members expressed surprise and discomfort.

"The Safety Coordinator was present on set and took no direct action to address safety concerns," the report states. "Management was provided with multiple opportunities to take corrective actions and chose not to do so. As a result of these failures, Director Joel Souza and cinematographer Halyna Hutchins were severely injured. Halyna Hutchins succumbed to her injuries."

A spokesman for Rust Movie Productions did not immediately respond to an email seeking comment. An attorney for Baldwin was not immediately available.

James Kenney, secretary of the Environment Department that oversees occupational safety, said the agency dedicated 1,500 staff hours to its investigation, examined hundreds of documents and conducted at least a dozen interviews with cast and crew members.

Investigators found production managers placed tight limits on resources for a small team that controlled weapons on set and failed to address concerns about a shotgun left unattended twice.

Armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed, the daughter of a sharpshooter and consultant to film productions, was limited to eight paid days as an armorer to oversee weapons and training, and was assigned otherwise to lighter duties as a props assistant. As her time as an armorer ran out, Gutierrez Reed warned a manager and was rebuffed.

Safety investigators also note that the production company did not develop a process to ensure live rounds of ammunition were not brought on set, in violation of industry safety protocols. Safety meetings were conducted, but not every day weapons were used, as required.

Investigations continue into possible criminal charges

Kenney said the separate investigations into possible criminal charges are still underway.

He said his agency received no direct safety complaints from cast or crew prior to the fatal shooting, even though anonymity is offered.

"This tragedy, this loss of life, it could have been prevented, and we want people to say something," he said.

Kenney was appointed in 2019 by Democratic Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham, a staunch advocate for the film industry who increased a state cap in industry incentives shortly after taking office.

New Mexico competes with non-Hollywood production sites in states such as Georgia, Louisiana and New York. Film productions have flocked to New Mexico in recent years to seize on its diverse outdoor scenery, moderate costs and generous state incentives, including a rebate of between 25% and 35% of in-state spending for video production that helps filmmakers large and small underwrite their work.

Seems like a light fine but I guess you can blame the state legislature for that. 

 

[Tom Servo]

https://www.npr.org/2022/04/20/1093773059/rust-movie-shooting-firearms-safety-fine-alec-baldwin

New Mexico fines 'Rust' movie producers $139,793 for firearms safety failures

April 20, 20221:09 PM ET

SANTA FE, N.M. — New Mexico workplace safety regulators on Wednesday issued the maximum possible fine against a film production company for firearms safety failures on the set of "Rust" where a cinematographer was fatally shot in October 2021 by actor and producer Alec Baldwin.

New Mexico's Occupational Health and Safety Bureau said Rust Movie Productions must pay $139,793, and distributed a scathing narrative of safety failures in violation of standard industry protocols, including testimony that production managers took limited or no action to address two misfires on set prior to the fatal shooting. The bureau also documented gun safety complaints from crew members that went unheeded and said weapons specialists were not allowed to make decisions about additional safety training.

"What we had, based on our investigators' findings, was a set of obvious hazards to employees regarding the use of firearms and management's failure to act upon those obvious hazards," Bob Genoway, bureau chief for occupational safety, told The Associated Press.

At a ranch on the outskirts of Santa Fe on Oct. 21, 2021, Baldwin was pointing a gun at cinematographer Halyna Hutchins inside a small church during setup for the filming of a scene when it went off, killing Hutchins and wounding the director, Joel Souza.

Baldwin said in a December interview with ABC News that he was pointing the gun at Hutchins at her instruction on the New Mexico set of the Western film when it went off without his pulling the trigger.

The new occupational safety report confirms that a large-caliber revolver was handed to Baldwin by an assistant director, David Halls, without consulting with on-set weapons specialists during or after the gun was loaded. Regulators note that Halls also served as safety coordinator and that he was present and witnessed two accidental discharges of rifles on set, and that he and other managers who knew of the misfires took no investigative, corrective or disciplinary action. Crew members expressed surprise and discomfort.

"The Safety Coordinator was present on set and took no direct action to address safety concerns," the report states. "Management was provided with multiple opportunities to take corrective actions and chose not to do so. As a result of these failures, Director Joel Souza and cinematographer Halyna Hutchins were severely injured. Halyna Hutchins succumbed to her injuries."

A spokesman for Rust Movie Productions did not immediately respond to an email seeking comment. An attorney for Baldwin was not immediately available.

James Kenney, secretary of the Environment Department that oversees occupational safety, said the agency dedicated 1,500 staff hours to its investigation, examined hundreds of documents and conducted at least a dozen interviews with cast and crew members.

Investigators found production managers placed tight limits on resources for a small team that controlled weapons on set and failed to address concerns about a shotgun left unattended twice.

Armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed, the daughter of a sharpshooter and consultant to film productions, was limited to eight paid days as an armorer to oversee weapons and training, and was assigned otherwise to lighter duties as a props assistant. As her time as an armorer ran out, Gutierrez Reed warned a manager and was rebuffed.

Safety investigators also note that the production company did not develop a process to ensure live rounds of ammunition were not brought on set, in violation of industry safety protocols. Safety meetings were conducted, but not every day weapons were used, as required.

Investigations continue into possible criminal charges

Kenney said the separate investigations into possible criminal charges are still underway.

He said his agency received no direct safety complaints from cast or crew prior to the fatal shooting, even though anonymity is offered.

"This tragedy, this loss of life, it could have been prevented, and we want people to say something," he said.

Kenney was appointed in 2019 by Democratic Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham, a staunch advocate for the film industry who increased a state cap in industry incentives shortly after taking office.

New Mexico competes with non-Hollywood production sites in states such as Georgia, Louisiana and New York. Film productions have flocked to New Mexico in recent years to seize on its diverse outdoor scenery, moderate costs and generous state incentives, including a rebate of between 25% and 35% of in-state spending for video production that helps filmmakers large and small underwrite their work.

TLDR - Alec Baldwin killed a woman through negligence.

 

[Whyatt]

Seems like a light fine but I guess you can blame the state legislature for that. 

Actually, the fine is from OSHA, a federal bureaucracy. The fine was the maximum allowed by law. When a large company receives a OSHA fine, the penalty is the least of the concern.

The report was scathing and I am certain will be used by the victims in the ongoing civil and criminal proceedings. 

 

[Dezbelief]

Alec Baldwin reaches settlement with Halyna Hutchins' family

The family of Halyna Hutchins, the cinematographer killed on the "Rust" movie set in 2021, and Alec Baldwin have reached an undisclosed settlement in the wrongful death lawsuit filed against the actor and others, according to a statement released by the actor's attorney.

amp.cnn.com

Alec Baldwin reaches settlement with Halyna Hutchins' family

Matthew Hutchins, widower of Halyna Hutchins who was killed on set, will be an executive producer on film,

The filming of Rust will resume with all the original principal players on board in January 2023.

Jason Bowles, an attorney for Hannah Gutierrez Reed, who served as the armorer on "Rust," said they hope the settlement is recognized as a "measure of Justice."

"Hannah is grateful that this settlement will benefit the Hutchins family and that the parties were able to constructively resolve the civil lawsuit. We are hopeful that the district attorneys office will also recognize that a measure of Justice has been achieved in regards to this tragic accident, and that they will opt not to pursue criminal charges," Bowles said.

A spokesperson for the Santa Fe District Attorney told CNN in a statement that the settlement agreement would not impact the ongoing criminal investigation in the case.

"While civil suits are settled privately and often involve financial awards, criminal cases deal only in facts," Heather Brewer, spokesperson for the Office of the First Judicial District Attorney of New Mexico, said in a statement. "If the facts and evidence warrant criminal charges under New Mexico law then charges will be brought. No one is above the law."

 

[Dezbelief]

Alec Baldwin to be charged with manslaughter in fatal 'Rust' shooting, DA says

Baldwin was rehearsing with a pistol while filming “Rust” in New Mexico in October 2021 when it went off, killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounding the director.

www.google.com

Alec Baldwin to be charged with manslaughter in fatal shooting on the set of 'Rust,' DA says
Baldwin was rehearsing with a pistol while filming “Rust” in New Mexico in October 2021 when it went off, killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounding the director.

Oscar-nominated actor Alec Baldwin will be charged with involuntary manslaughter in the fatal shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the New Mexico set of the Western movie “Rust,” prosecutors said Thursday.

Baldwin and the film’s armorer who was in charge of weapons on the set, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, will each face two counts of involuntary manslaughter, according to New Mexico First Judicial District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies.

The first assistant director, David Halls, “has signed a plea agreement for the charge of negligent use of a deadly weapon,” which is likely to lead to six months of probation, prosecutors said. He has also agreed to testify for the state, officials said.

 

[ghostguy123]

I have not followed this at all, but how the heck is Baldwin being charged with manslaughter? Did he load the gun himself?
Seems like he was acting, and someone else screwed up.
Or is it his because he was in charge? Either way, seems.......wrong

 

[belljr]

I have not followed this at all, but how the heck is Baldwin being charged with manslaughter? Did he load the gun himself?
Seems like he was acting, and someone else screwed up.
Or is it his because he was in charge? Either way, seems.......wrong

He is in charge and actually shot the gun

 

[apalmer]

I have not followed this at all, but how the heck is Baldwin being charged with manslaughter? Did he load the gun himself?
Seems like he was acting, and someone else screwed up.
Or is it his because he was in charge? Either way, seems.......wrong

DA would rather charge and lose than face accusations that he let Baldwin walk because he's a celebrity.

 

[jobarules]

I have not followed this at all, but how the heck is Baldwin being charged with manslaughter? Did he load the gun himself?
Seems like he was acting, and someone else screwed up.
Or is it his because he was in charge? Either way, seems.......wrong

Yep absolutely ridiculous and I hate the guy

 

[Hot Diggity Dog]

if you get handed a potential lethal gun (not a complete prop) you should check it yourself and not rely on anyone else.

 

[Ghost Rider]

if you get handed a potential lethal gun (not a complete prop) you should check it yourself and not rely on anyone else.

I cannot remember the specifics, but I thought I read it in numerous places that actors are not allowed to check the guns. That is the job of the armorer, so when an actor is handed the gun, it has been cleared by the armorer (and the actor is actually not allowed to then check it). Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure I read that in several places by reliable people who knows the ins and outs of the industry.

 

[Navin Johnson]

The people who want him held accountable seem to be doing a victory dance when in all likelihood he will be exonerated due to being overcharged.

 

[culdeus]

Probably won't even plea. Let a jury decide this and he walks. Probably undercharged the armorer in this instance.

 

[ghostguy123]

I have not followed this at all, but how the heck is Baldwin being charged with manslaughter? Did he load the gun himself?
Seems like he was acting, and someone else screwed up.
Or is it his because he was in charge? Either way, seems.......wrong

He is in charge and actually shot the gun

And???

 

[ghostguy123]

if you get handed a potential lethal gun (not a complete prop) you should check it yourself and not rely on anyone else.

How exactly is he supposed to check it? Does he know the difference between prop gun and real gun? Blanks and live rounds?

 

[John123]

Interview with DA:

District attorney explains decision to charge Alec Baldwin over 'Rust' shooting

Santa Fe district attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies speaks with CNN's Josh Campbell about her decision to charge "Rust" actor and producer Alec Baldwin and armor...

www.youtube.com

 

[culdeus]

if you get handed a potential lethal gun (not a complete prop) you should check it yourself and not rely on anyone else.

How exactly is he supposed to check it? Does he know the difference between prop gun and real gun? Blanks and live rounds?

It's actually really rare to even use blanks now. Add the effect after for cheaper than the cost of hiring people to deal w the guns. Probably hasn't seen a real gun in years.

Unless they have him saying hell yeah bring live rounds for lulz in writing or on video this is stupid.

 

[Hot Diggity Dog]

if you get handed a potential lethal gun (not a complete prop) you should check it yourself and not rely on anyone else.

How exactly is he supposed to check it? Does he know the difference between prop gun and real gun? Blanks and live rounds?

IF he doesn't he should of if he is going to handle and fire a real gun. STUPID not to know and criminally ignorant IMHO.

 

[encaitar]

if you get handed a potential lethal gun (not a complete prop) you should check it yourself and not rely on anyone else.

How exactly is he supposed to check it? Does he know the difference between prop gun and real gun? Blanks and live rounds?

He was in charge of the shoot. He allowed live rounds on the set. He allowed loaded weapons to be sitting out on the set. He allowed people to handle the weapons that weren't supposed to(he was handed the gun by the first assistant who grabbed it randomly off a table of loaded weapons).

No idea if that is enough to land him a manslaughter charge, but he IS complicit in the death of the woman.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

if you get handed a potential lethal gun (not a complete prop) you should check it yourself and not rely on anyone else.

How exactly is he supposed to check it? Does he know the difference between prop gun and real gun? Blanks and live rounds?

gun is real. he would have to know the difference between blanks and real rounds. not likely. DA charged him to save face. the armorer on the other other hand, should possibly be charged with a higher crime.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

if you get handed a potential lethal gun (not a complete prop) you should check it yourself and not rely on anyone else.

How exactly is he supposed to check it? Does he know the difference between prop gun and real gun? Blanks and live rounds?

He was in charge of the shoot. He allowed live rounds on the set. He allowed loaded weapons to be sitting out on the set. He allowed people to handle the weapons that weren't supposed to(he was handed the gun by the first assistant who grabbed it randomly off a table of loaded weapons).

No idea if that is enough to land him a manslaughter charge, but he IS complicit in the death of the woman.

that's not how movie sets work. that's like asking tom cruise to oversee the pyrotechnics and the fighter jets in top gun. professionals handle that. he may hire them, but it's a stretch to charge him for their incompetence.

 

[encaitar]

if you get handed a potential lethal gun (not a complete prop) you should check it yourself and not rely on anyone else.

How exactly is he supposed to check it? Does he know the difference between prop gun and real gun? Blanks and live rounds?

He was in charge of the shoot. He allowed live rounds on the set. He allowed loaded weapons to be sitting out on the set. He allowed people to handle the weapons that weren't supposed to(he was handed the gun by the first assistant who grabbed it randomly off a table of loaded weapons).

No idea if that is enough to land him a manslaughter charge, but he IS complicit in the death of the woman.

that's not how movie sets work. that's like asking tom cruise to oversee the pyrotechnics and the fighter jets in top gun. professionals handle that. he may hire them, but it's a stretch to charge him for their incompetence.

Union staff had left a few days before citing "safety concerns". The producers(Alec included) chose to hire non-union staff instead of addressing the concerns. Main concerns had to due with multiple misfires of weapons on set..... before this accidental misfire.

Armorer was on lunch break when the assistant director handed Baldwin the gun. Whether he could tell a blank from live round is irrelevant if he knew the armorer hadn't been there to check the weapon.

The safety shield(literally a bullet proof shield to protect the cameramen) wasn't present. You might not be able to tell a live round from a blank, but it's pretty simple to see if a big *** shield is in place.

Baldwin pulled the trigger without being told to. Pretty simple idea. Don't pull the trigger on any gun unless you expect it to shoot.

 

[jobarules]

if you get handed a potential lethal gun (not a complete prop) you should check it yourself and not rely on anyone else.

Not if you are acting in a movie and there are people hired and trained to do that for you.

 

[jobarules]

if you get handed a potential lethal gun (not a complete prop) you should check it yourself and not rely on anyone else.

How exactly is he supposed to check it? Does he know the difference between prop gun and real gun? Blanks and live rounds?

He was in charge of the shoot. He allowed live rounds on the set. He allowed loaded weapons to be sitting out on the set. He allowed people to handle the weapons that weren't supposed to(he was handed the gun by the first assistant who grabbed it randomly off a table of loaded weapons).

No idea if that is enough to land him a manslaughter charge, but he IS complicit in the death of the woman.

Who said he allowed live rounds on set? As far as I know nobody knows how live rounds were on set.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

if you get handed a potential lethal gun (not a complete prop) you should check it yourself and not rely on anyone else.

How exactly is he supposed to check it? Does he know the difference between prop gun and real gun? Blanks and live rounds?

He was in charge of the shoot. He allowed live rounds on the set. He allowed loaded weapons to be sitting out on the set. He allowed people to handle the weapons that weren't supposed to(he was handed the gun by the first assistant who grabbed it randomly off a table of loaded weapons).

No idea if that is enough to land him a manslaughter charge, but he IS complicit in the death of the woman.

that's not how movie sets work. that's like asking tom cruise to oversee the pyrotechnics and the fighter jets in top gun. professionals handle that. he may hire them, but it's a stretch to charge him for their incompetence.

Union staff had left a few days before citing "safety concerns". The producers(Alec included) chose to hire non-union staff instead of addressing the concerns. Main concerns had to due with multiple misfires of weapons on set..... before this accidental misfire.

Armorer was on lunch break when the assistant director handed Baldwin the gun. Whether he could tell a blank from live round is irrelevant if he knew the armorer hadn't been there to check the weapon.

The safety shield(literally a bullet proof shield to protect the cameramen) wasn't present. You might not be able to tell a live round from a blank, but it's pretty simple to see if a big *** shield is in place.

Baldwin pulled the trigger without being told to. Pretty simple idea. Don't pull the trigger on any gun unless you expect it to shoot.

i have no dog in this fight. it all sucks. in a court of law, baldwin walks

 

[Hot Diggity Dog]

if you get handed a potential lethal gun (not a complete prop) you should check it yourself and not rely on anyone else.

Not if you are acting in a movie and there are people hired and trained to do that for you.

Yes you do. If you are in a situation where you are dealing with real guns you should understand the ins and outs of the guns you are dealing with. If Baldwin had done some basic gun safety, like checking the type of ammunition in the gun, there is much less chance this tragedy happens. It is simple and would take like 10 seconds to verify the ammunition.

 

[encaitar]

if you get handed a potential lethal gun (not a complete prop) you should check it yourself and not rely on anyone else.

How exactly is he supposed to check it? Does he know the difference between prop gun and real gun? Blanks and live rounds?

He was in charge of the shoot. He allowed live rounds on the set. He allowed loaded weapons to be sitting out on the set. He allowed people to handle the weapons that weren't supposed to(he was handed the gun by the first assistant who grabbed it randomly off a table of loaded weapons).

No idea if that is enough to land him a manslaughter charge, but he IS complicit in the death of the woman.

that's not how movie sets work. that's like asking tom cruise to oversee the pyrotechnics and the fighter jets in top gun. professionals handle that. he may hire them, but it's a stretch to charge him for their incompetence.

Union staff had left a few days before citing "safety concerns". The producers(Alec included) chose to hire non-union staff instead of addressing the concerns. Main concerns had to due with multiple misfires of weapons on set..... before this accidental misfire.

Armorer was on lunch break when the assistant director handed Baldwin the gun. Whether he could tell a blank from live round is irrelevant if he knew the armorer hadn't been there to check the weapon.

The safety shield(literally a bullet proof shield to protect the cameramen) wasn't present. You might not be able to tell a live round from a blank, but it's pretty simple to see if a big *** shield is in place.

Baldwin pulled the trigger without being told to. Pretty simple idea. Don't pull the trigger on any gun unless you expect it to shoot.

i have no dog in this fight. it all sucks. in a court of law, baldwin walks

I agree that's very likely, but given that a person can be given involuntary manslaughter for driving a vehicle with a known defect and killing someone, I don't think charging Baldwin with it given his involvement in it all is an overcharge.

I think most probable outcome is a plea deal to a lesser charge that involves fines and probation. No chance Baldwin wants to go to court on this issue. Even if he wins its another loss for his PR.

 

[ghostguy123]

if you get handed a potential lethal gun (not a complete prop) you should check it yourself and not rely on anyone else.

How exactly is he supposed to check it? Does he know the difference between prop gun and real gun? Blanks and live rounds?

He was in charge of the shoot. He allowed live rounds on the set. He allowed loaded weapons to be sitting out on the set. He allowed people to handle the weapons that weren't supposed to(he was handed the gun by the first assistant who grabbed it randomly off a table of loaded weapons).

No idea if that is enough to land him a manslaughter charge, but he IS complicit in the death of the woman.

Bit of a stretch to say he allowed live rounds

 

[ghostguy123]

if you get handed a potential lethal gun (not a complete prop) you should check it yourself and not rely on anyone else.

How exactly is he supposed to check it? Does he know the difference between prop gun and real gun? Blanks and live rounds?

IF he doesn't he should of if he is going to handle and fire a real gun. STUPID not to know and criminally ignorant IMHO.

Stupid? Debatable. Ignorant? I guess so. Criminal? Sure doesn't seem like it should be