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Alex Smith and Aaron Rogers in 06 (1 Viewer)
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CalBear
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If you expected Aaron Rodgers to do anything this year, you expected a Brett Favre injury. For 2006, as for 2005, Aaron Rodgers will do something only if Favre retires or has an injury.Alex Smith looked bad. Most rookie QBs look bad; this is not news. My guess is that he will continue to look bad, but I don't think Smith's progress will have any impact on QB drafting this year.
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SoloMatisse
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I think Alex Smith was a bad rookie QB this year, and next year he'll be a bad 2nd year QB, and the year after that a bad 3rd year QB......get my drift. This guy will never be an upper tier Q in this league. Doesnt have big size. Doesnt have a big arm. Hasnt played strong competition in college, and is now being thrown to the wolves on the worst team in the league. I dont see him becoming a player. Seriously, the guy had, what, ONE TD pass this past year?? Does that sound like a future player? I dont care how young the guy was or how little talent he was surounded by or how bad his team was.....ONE TD???? It was a bad pick and the Niners are a bad team, and this team will be looking for a new coach in 2 years. Aaron Rodgers, imho, may seem to have a future. He wont have his confidence crushed during his 1st 2 years, but more importantly I think the kid has the presence of a winning QB. he wont have to prove it for another year, but I like the intangibles he'll bring to the table once he gets his shot. Never underestimate a player with something to prove, either, and his draft day experience is one that will live with this guy for a long time. Physically, I think he has the skills, but in this league, where everyone has the skills, it's the immeasureables that seperate players from level to level.
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MLBrandow
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Smith should be pretty decent next year. Probably solid fantasy backup material.Rodgers ehhh. Looks like another Joey Harrington to me. And I'm pretty sure Favre is returning. All he'll need to do is hand the ball off to LenDale White anyway....
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MLBrandow
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Look up stats for Terry Bradshaw, John Elway, etc etc...I'm not saying terrible rookie stats dictate a hall of fame QB, but I'm saying that a career isn't made when you take a rookie QB and insert him into the NFL's worst team.What in the world did he show that would make you think this?
He showed improvement in the last few games, and he should be much better this season. At that, he won't be worth much fantasy value until the team gets better as a unit, so I would wait until probably his 3rd year before he starts putting up some real numbers.
I liked Frye a lot, but Edwards getting hurt dropped him down in my opinion. Before Edwards got hurt I thought he was going to take over in 2006 with a very good WR corps and if KWII ever came back from the dead that would be gravy. Now, I think Frye is a good keeper (I am not in a dynasty league) if I can draft him late for 2007.Campbell also intrigues me because if the Redskins get a quality #2 WR, all he has to do is play decent to put up some very good stats. Look at the numbers Brunnell put up and if Campbell turns out to be a good QB, then he will put up really good numbers throwing to Moss, Cooley and a good #2WR, especially with Portis.
Bradshaw| 1970 pit | 13 | 83 218 38.1 1410 5.3 6 24 | 32 233 1 |
Elway also had a very bad rookie year, maybe not so much of a stinker as Bradshaw, but there are two HOF QBs that had miserable first years. It happens. For Bradshaw, it sure helped when he got Lynn Swann and Stallworth in 1974, so give Smith a chance to get a better WR corps than Brandon Lloyd and Battle if he is going to live with Barlow as RB. If SF takes Williams at RB with their pick and he does as well as some think he should, then Smith might end up doing better in 2006 than most people think.
Tick
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Okay, so one guy turned it around (Bradshaw - Elway wasn't nearly as bad). How many failed to turn it around?Alex Smith hasn't looked anything other than awful in the NFL yet. He'll get another chance next season and maybe he'll play way better (Eli Manning did after a stinker rookie year)... but it'd surprise me.
Frye doesn't seem THAT special to me. I don't see him as a 4k yard passer but he could be a very good/effective NFL QB. Hard to word hopefully you know what I mean. What do you guys think of him?Good point in that he might be the best of this class. I'd like to see that Matt Cassell guy the Pats got. I figure he shouldn't have looked as good as he did in preseason and maybe played "above his head". Could he be Brady-like and the surprise of the draft though? It'd really be something if the Pats struck oil twice with Brady and him.
commisholio
Come out with your pants down!
Here's Aikman's stat line from his rookie year:1989 dal | 11 | 155 293 52.9 1749 6.0 9 18 | 38 302 0pretty bad also.It is WAY too early to write off Alex Smith. It is also too early to annoint him as a future pro bowler. Nobody knows what he will turn into at this point. Check back in about 4 years.
5Rings
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Look up stats for Terry Bradshaw, John Elway, etc etc...I'm not saying terrible rookie stats dictate a hall of fame QB, but I'm saying that a career isn't made when you take a rookie QB and insert him into the NFL's worst team.What in the world did he show that would make you think this?
He showed improvement in the last few games, and he should be much better this season. At that, he won't be worth much fantasy value until the team gets better as a unit, so I would wait until probably his 3rd year before he starts putting up some real numbers.
I didn't like the Smith pick, and I'm not a huge fan, but writing him off this quick is ridiculous.Nolan played him before he was ready, simple as that. He had little support from his WRs, and no reliable outlet at TE to throw to. The poster before hit it on the head--he did show improvement during December/January.
QB Rating : 66.3 , 8.5 , 41.7 , 50.2 , 31.8 , 33.9 , 98.7
Texasmouth
Footballguy
How does Rodgers translate to Harrington? He never saw the field? How could you make a judgement call like that?
diesel7982
Footballguy
Young QBs on bad teams run. Check out David Carr, Carson Palmer, etc etc
That doesn't show improvement in the last few games. I see a number that looks like more of a fluke than a trend. Could he carry it over to next season and do well? Sure, but one game isn't a sure sign of things to come.Look up stats for Terry Bradshaw, John Elway, etc etc...I'm not saying terrible rookie stats dictate a hall of fame QB, but I'm saying that a career isn't made when you take a rookie QB and insert him into the NFL's worst team.What in the world did he show that would make you think this?
He showed improvement in the last few games, and he should be much better this season. At that, he won't be worth much fantasy value until the team gets better as a unit, so I would wait until probably his 3rd year before he starts putting up some real numbers.
Nolan played him before he was ready, simple as that. He had little support from his WRs, and no reliable outlet at TE to throw to. The poster before hit it on the head--he did show improvement during December/January.
QB Rating : 66.3 , 8.5 , 41.7 , 50.2 , 31.8 , 33.9 , 98.7
-OZ-
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98.7 is neither a fluke nor a trend, it was against Houston.That doesn't show improvement in the last few games. I see a number that looks like more of a fluke than a trend. Could he carry it over to next season and do well? Sure, but one game isn't a sure sign of things to come.Look up stats for Terry Bradshaw, John Elway, etc etc...I'm not saying terrible rookie stats dictate a hall of fame QB, but I'm saying that a career isn't made when you take a rookie QB and insert him into the NFL's worst team.What in the world did he show that would make you think this?
He showed improvement in the last few games, and he should be much better this season. At that, he won't be worth much fantasy value until the team gets better as a unit, so I would wait until probably his 3rd year before he starts putting up some real numbers.
Nolan played him before he was ready, simple as that. He had little support from his WRs, and no reliable outlet at TE to throw to. The poster before hit it on the head--he did show improvement during December/January.
QB Rating : 66.3 , 8.5 , 41.7 , 50.2 , 31.8 , 33.9 , 98.7
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