ALL STAR SELECTIONS (1 Viewer)

[Knightro]

If the offense didn't suck ### of late, Shields would be in there as well. Best 6-2 pitcher in baseball right now.

Last 5 starts = 41 K's, 2 walks...and a 2-4 record to show for it.

 

[posty]

If the offense didn't suck ### of late, Shields would be in there as well. Best 6-2 pitcher in baseball right now.Last 5 starts = 41 K's, 2 walks...and a 2-4 record to show for it.

6-2 record?Last 5 starts is 2-4?Oh and Bedard is a pretty damn good 6-4 pitcher as well... If his bullpen could pitch, he would have 10 wins...

 

[Knightro]

If the offense didn't suck ### of late, Shields would be in there as well. Best 6-2 pitcher in baseball right now.Last 5 starts = 41 K's, 2 walks...and a 2-4 record to show for it.

6-2 record?Last 5 starts is 2-4?Oh and Bedard is a pretty damn good 6-4 pitcher as well... If his bullpen could pitch, he would have 10 wins...

yea, that was pretty crappy on my part Bedard is another one who gets crappy support.

 

[posty]

If the offense didn't suck ### of late, Shields would be in there as well. Best 6-2 pitcher in baseball right now.Last 5 starts = 41 K's, 2 walks...and a 2-4 record to show for it.

6-2 record?Last 5 starts is 2-4?Oh and Bedard is a pretty damn good 6-4 pitcher as well... If his bullpen could pitch, he would have 10 wins...

yea, that was pretty crappy on my part Bedard is another one who gets crappy support.

Either way, I agree... Both Shields and Bedard should probably be in the ASG...

 

[lions327]

Here is why some players are not on the team. The manager had a lot more say about the All-Star team in the old days. Now, because five AL teams had no players selected in either the player balloting or the fan balloting, Leyland's hands were tied. He had to pick someone from Toronto, Texas, Tampa Bay, Kansas City and Chicago, and that left him with only two other players to pick.He took Martinez and Johan Santana.Nobody can complain about Leylands 2 real picks.

Anyone who does not think Meche is deserving if just taking the easy way out of bashing KC because it is the cool thing to do. In case you missed it, the Royals are close to a .500 team since mid-April. Meche has a 3.28 ERA.

Where does it say that Meche is not deserving?

My guess is that he was inferring from your post that you thought the only way that anyone from Kansas City could make the team is because it was a requirement, which he took as a slight to Meche, i.e. Meche would not have made it without that requirement.

You could be right. I guess I will clarify my comment. The post was intended to just show that Leyland only had 2 of his own selections due to the criteria of having to pick a player from every team. When some deserving players were left off, some complained. Leyland only had 2 selections where he could just pick the players he thought most deserving without having to concern himself with making sure every team had a player. His 2 picks were Santana and Martinez. I don't believe, as I said above, that anyone can complain about him picking Santana and Martinez.

 

[eagles2007]

No Ian Snell, no Tom Gorzellany is a joke. Both are more deserving than Cole Hamels.

I think that's a bit extreme. All three are pretty close stat wise, maybe a homer reaction?

You tell me if these are "pretty close."Snell - 6-5, 16 starts, 108.2 IP, 95 H, 2.90 ERA, 1.17 WHIPGorzelanny-8-4, 17 starts, 112 IP, 109 H, 3.05 ERA, 1.27 WHIPHamels-9-4, 17 starts, 111.2 IP, 107 H, 3.87 ERA, 1.22 WHIPLet's throw in Maine-9-4, 16 starts, 102 IP, 79 H, 2.74 ERA, 1.15 WHIP. As for my favorite stat, opponent's batting average:Snell-.234, 10th in the NLGorzelanny-.255, 22ndHamels-.254, 21stMaine-.215, 4th.I don't see Hamels numbers as pretty close, but perhaps you are right and I'm not seeing things clearly. You could make an argument for Hamels being as worthy as Gorzelanny. I think Gorzelanny has pitched better but I also think his team stinks compared to the offense the Phillies run out there. Maine clearly deserves a spot on this team and Snell is 2nd. But my argument is based more on the fact that the Pirates representative should be Snell. He is simply more worthy than Sanchez. Being from Philly and watching Hamels, he hasn't pitched like an all-star lately - 3 starts, 13 IP, 10 ER.So Snell replaces Hamels and Uggla replaces Sanchez. Better yet, pick another of the many worthy SS.

You conveniently left out strikeouts

I left out groundouts, flyouts and pitch speed, too. All numbers that are fan driven. But in the importance of baseball, an out is an out.

 

[shadyridr]

No Ian Snell, no Tom Gorzellany is a joke. Both are more deserving than Cole Hamels.

I think that's a bit extreme. All three are pretty close stat wise, maybe a homer reaction?

You tell me if these are "pretty close."Snell - 6-5, 16 starts, 108.2 IP, 95 H, 2.90 ERA, 1.17 WHIP

Gorzelanny-8-4, 17 starts, 112 IP, 109 H, 3.05 ERA, 1.27 WHIP

Hamels-9-4, 17 starts, 111.2 IP, 107 H, 3.87 ERA, 1.22 WHIP

Let's throw in Maine-9-4, 16 starts, 102 IP, 79 H, 2.74 ERA, 1.15 WHIP.

As for my favorite stat, opponent's batting average:

Snell-.234, 10th in the NL

Gorzelanny-.255, 22nd

Hamels-.254, 21st

Maine-.215, 4th.

I don't see Hamels numbers as pretty close, but perhaps you are right and I'm not seeing things clearly. You could make an argument for Hamels being as worthy as Gorzelanny. I think Gorzelanny has pitched better but I also think his team stinks compared to the offense the Phillies run out there.

Maine clearly deserves a spot on this team and Snell is 2nd. But my argument is based more on the fact that the Pirates representative should be Snell. He is simply more worthy than Sanchez.

Being from Philly and watching Hamels, he hasn't pitched like an all-star lately - 3 starts, 13 IP, 10 ER.

So Snell replaces Hamels and Uggla replaces Sanchez. Better yet, pick another of the many worthy SS.

You conveniently left out strikeouts

I left out groundouts, flyouts and pitch speed, too. All numbers that are fan driven. But in the importance of baseball, an out is an out.

Strikeouts are fan driven? If you knew anything about Sabermetrics, the 3 most important stats when it comes to pitching are strikeouts, walks, and HRs allowed. These are the only 3 stats that are completely controlled by the pitcher and are the 3 biggest indicators of success.

 

[fred_1_15301]

No Ian Snell, no Tom Gorzellany is a joke. Both are more deserving than Cole Hamels.

I think that's a bit extreme. All three are pretty close stat wise, maybe a homer reaction?

You tell me if these are "pretty close."Snell - 6-5, 16 starts, 108.2 IP, 95 H, 2.90 ERA, 1.17 WHIP

Gorzelanny-8-4, 17 starts, 112 IP, 109 H, 3.05 ERA, 1.27 WHIP

Hamels-9-4, 17 starts, 111.2 IP, 107 H, 3.87 ERA, 1.22 WHIP

Let's throw in Maine-9-4, 16 starts, 102 IP, 79 H, 2.74 ERA, 1.15 WHIP.

As for my favorite stat, opponent's batting average:

Snell-.234, 10th in the NL

Gorzelanny-.255, 22nd

Hamels-.254, 21st

Maine-.215, 4th.

I don't see Hamels numbers as pretty close, but perhaps you are right and I'm not seeing things clearly. You could make an argument for Hamels being as worthy as Gorzelanny. I think Gorzelanny has pitched better but I also think his team stinks compared to the offense the Phillies run out there.

Maine clearly deserves a spot on this team and Snell is 2nd. But my argument is based more on the fact that the Pirates representative should be Snell. He is simply more worthy than Sanchez.

Being from Philly and watching Hamels, he hasn't pitched like an all-star lately - 3 starts, 13 IP, 10 ER.

So Snell replaces Hamels and Uggla replaces Sanchez. Better yet, pick another of the many worthy SS.

You conveniently left out strikeouts

I left out groundouts, flyouts and pitch speed, too. All numbers that are fan driven. But in the importance of baseball, an out is an out.

Strikeouts are fan driven? If you knew anything about Sabermetrics, the 3 most important stats when it comes to pitching are strikeouts, walks, and HRs allowed. These are the only 3 stats that are completely controlled by the pitcher and are the 3 biggest indicators of success.

I haven't checked the stats but I'm guessing Hamels has given up more HRs than the other guys? His WHIP is fairly close and his Ks are higher so something has to give? I'm guessing it's HRS.........

 

[Please See Mine]

No Ian Snell, no Tom Gorzellany is a joke. Both are more deserving than Cole Hamels.

I think that's a bit extreme. All three are pretty close stat wise, maybe a homer reaction?

You tell me if these are "pretty close."Snell - 6-5, 16 starts, 108.2 IP, 95 H, 2.90 ERA, 1.17 WHIP

Gorzelanny-8-4, 17 starts, 112 IP, 109 H, 3.05 ERA, 1.27 WHIP

Hamels-9-4, 17 starts, 111.2 IP, 107 H, 3.87 ERA, 1.22 WHIP

Let's throw in Maine-9-4, 16 starts, 102 IP, 79 H, 2.74 ERA, 1.15 WHIP.

As for my favorite stat, opponent's batting average:

Snell-.234, 10th in the NL

Gorzelanny-.255, 22nd

Hamels-.254, 21st

Maine-.215, 4th.

I don't see Hamels numbers as pretty close, but perhaps you are right and I'm not seeing things clearly. You could make an argument for Hamels being as worthy as Gorzelanny. I think Gorzelanny has pitched better but I also think his team stinks compared to the offense the Phillies run out there.

Maine clearly deserves a spot on this team and Snell is 2nd. But my argument is based more on the fact that the Pirates representative should be Snell. He is simply more worthy than Sanchez.

Being from Philly and watching Hamels, he hasn't pitched like an all-star lately - 3 starts, 13 IP, 10 ER.

So Snell replaces Hamels and Uggla replaces Sanchez. Better yet, pick another of the many worthy SS.

You conveniently left out strikeouts

I left out groundouts, flyouts and pitch speed, too. All numbers that are fan driven. But in the importance of baseball, an out is an out.

Strikeouts are fan driven? If you knew anything about Sabermetrics, the 3 most important stats when it comes to pitching are strikeouts, walks, and HRs allowed. These are the only 3 stats that are completely controlled by the pitcher and are the 3 biggest indicators of success.

I haven't checked the stats but I'm guessing Hamels has given up more HRs than the other guys? His WHIP is fairly close and his Ks are higher so something has to give? I'm guessing it's HRS.........

Hamels has given up like 18 HRs. I think he's leading the league or pretty close.Edited: 19. Tied with Woody Williams for most in the NL.

Edited again: He does pitch in one of the most homer-friendly ballparks, but only 10 of the 19 have come at home. However, about 75% of the HR's have been solo.

 

[shadyridr]

No Ian Snell, no Tom Gorzellany is a joke. Both are more deserving than Cole Hamels.

I think that's a bit extreme. All three are pretty close stat wise, maybe a homer reaction?

You tell me if these are "pretty close."Snell - 6-5, 16 starts, 108.2 IP, 95 H, 2.90 ERA, 1.17 WHIP

Gorzelanny-8-4, 17 starts, 112 IP, 109 H, 3.05 ERA, 1.27 WHIP

Hamels-9-4, 17 starts, 111.2 IP, 107 H, 3.87 ERA, 1.22 WHIP

Let's throw in Maine-9-4, 16 starts, 102 IP, 79 H, 2.74 ERA, 1.15 WHIP.

As for my favorite stat, opponent's batting average:

Snell-.234, 10th in the NL

Gorzelanny-.255, 22nd

Hamels-.254, 21st

Maine-.215, 4th.

I don't see Hamels numbers as pretty close, but perhaps you are right and I'm not seeing things clearly. You could make an argument for Hamels being as worthy as Gorzelanny. I think Gorzelanny has pitched better but I also think his team stinks compared to the offense the Phillies run out there.

Maine clearly deserves a spot on this team and Snell is 2nd. But my argument is based more on the fact that the Pirates representative should be Snell. He is simply more worthy than Sanchez.

Being from Philly and watching Hamels, he hasn't pitched like an all-star lately - 3 starts, 13 IP, 10 ER.

So Snell replaces Hamels and Uggla replaces Sanchez. Better yet, pick another of the many worthy SS.

You conveniently left out strikeouts

I left out groundouts, flyouts and pitch speed, too. All numbers that are fan driven. But in the importance of baseball, an out is an out.

Strikeouts are fan driven? If you knew anything about Sabermetrics, the 3 most important stats when it comes to pitching are strikeouts, walks, and HRs allowed. These are the only 3 stats that are completely controlled by the pitcher and are the 3 biggest indicators of success.

I haven't checked the stats but I'm guessing Hamels has given up more HRs than the other guys? His WHIP is fairly close and his Ks are higher so something has to give? I'm guessing it's HRS.........

My point wasnt who is more deserving. My point was the OP conveniently left out Ks and basically called them a useless stat which is laughable. He couldve included HRs allowed as well.

 

[ditka...mike ditka]

granderson should definitely be on this team

 

[Greco]

granderson should definitely be on this team

Slugging %2007 AL-.563-5 Runs2007 AL-58-7 Total Bases2007 AL-175-3 Doubles2007 AL-22-8 Triples2007 AL-15-1 Runs Created2007 AL-60-6 Extra-Base Hits2007 AL-48-1 Power/Speed Number2007 AL-9.9-9

 

[RBM]

How the hell isnt John Maine an all-star?