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All this talk of unloading CAR RB's due to SOS... (1 Viewer)
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THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
Im not dealing them at all and all my teams are in the playoff hunt in my dynasties.
Im holding cause really....Talent-wise i love those 2 rb's. Just told a guy the other day,
that i might look at things differently.... Take M.Turner for example.
He is outscoring Dwill and prob have a better SOS sched down the road....Cool and all.
But i am in a dynasty league and there is nothing SPECIAL to me about Turner and i prefer a more talented rb even if he doesnt outscore someone
less talented than him right now.
As pure runners to me Dwill AND Stewert rank pretty high on my list as pure runners.
Im holding cause really....Talent-wise i love those 2 rb's. Just told a guy the other day,
that i might look at things differently.... Take M.Turner for example.
He is outscoring Dwill and prob have a better SOS sched down the road....Cool and all.
But i am in a dynasty league and there is nothing SPECIAL to me about Turner and i prefer a more talented rb even if he doesnt outscore someone
less talented than him right now.
As pure runners to me Dwill AND Stewert rank pretty high on my list as pure runners.
mystykoekaki
Footballguy
I'm holding DeAngelo because the guy is a fantasy stud. He again will be top 3 IMO (but I think he can eek out the #1 fantasy RB position). I traded Ronnie Brown for him 2 weeks ago and people thought I was crazy, who's laughing now?
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
Nice deal both ways.Goes to show you they still arent cheap no matter SOS or not. Although i pay that SOS nonsense no mind....I need to make it to the playoffs before i go thinking ahead of myself.
Great talents for dynasty for sure. But this year, they were more or less unspectacular before the last two weeks, in which they played the two bottom run defenses in the league. Jake Delhomme or Matt Moore means 8 in the box. Be careful.
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
I wouldn't use games against the Bucs and Bills to determine who's laughing last there. That said, I'm probably holding because I'm not getting what I'd need to trade him.
Resident A
Footballguy
I'm about to offer DeAngelo & a WR2 for AP. The AP owner is desperate, & could really use 2 starters.
I think AP is the only RB that I KNOW will outperform DeAngelo. Anybody else isn't a sure upgrade, so I'd rather hold.
I think AP is the only RB that I KNOW will outperform DeAngelo. Anybody else isn't a sure upgrade, so I'd rather hold.
theglorydays
Footballguy
I made an offer but i doubt the guy will accept it.
I offered Deangelo, Colston and Donald Brown to the Addai owner for Ronnie Brown and Larry Fitz. I doubt he'll do it but if he doesn't i'll most likely offer Deangelo straight up for Ronnie. The Dolphins schedule is setting up great for their running game.
I offered Deangelo, Colston and Donald Brown to the Addai owner for Ronnie Brown and Larry Fitz. I doubt he'll do it but if he doesn't i'll most likely offer Deangelo straight up for Ronnie. The Dolphins schedule is setting up great for their running game.
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
What is so daunting about Carolina's remaining schedule? 
Oh Yes!
Footballguy
his response: "hahahahahahahahaha"
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
What scoring system do you use?D.Williams is the 6th RB in my league using PPG while Turner is like the 18th. We give 1 pnt per 5 yards rushing, 1 per reception and 1 per 8 yards receiving.
I'm less worried about strength of schedule than I am the lack strength in Delhomme's arm. How does a guy throw 2 picks in 17 attempts when his RB's are pounding the rock at a 5ypc pace? I've never seen anything like it before.
spider321
Footballguy
Both are bad trades for you.
theglorydays
Footballguy
This is a non dynasty league, just a standard 12 team league. I think i am upgrading both positions. Deangelo doesn't have too great of a schedule going forward and Brown's is cake. Fitz is undoubtedly an upgrade over Colston and Brown isn't doing much and is hurt. So if he takes this trade i will be extremely pleased.
tim_whatley
Footballguy
This has been discussed many times, but it is absolutely ######ed the way CAR is managing the playcalling.At one point in the second half last week, it may have even been 3Q, Delhomme had 30 attempts. 30!
I guess if you are Carolina, and you actively want to find a way to lose to Buffalo, asking Jake Delhomme to throw the ball 30 times in 45 minutes of football is a pretty good way to start.
While I admit I've normally been a proponent of selling high with DW I think he's proven to be a hold. The reason is you'll struggle to get good value for him as no one is likely going to pay what you think you should get.
I still believe the Panthers are WAY worse as a football team than last year so people who constantly insist on referring to last years Panthers and DW blowing up against good teams the second half of last year are really missing the important point there.
Blowing up against good teams is a lot easier to do when your team is playing competitive football and not getting beat by their own QB.
I still believe the Panthers are WAY worse as a football team than last year so people who constantly insist on referring to last years Panthers and DW blowing up against good teams the second half of last year are really missing the important point there.
Blowing up against good teams is a lot easier to do when your team is playing competitive football and not getting beat by their own QB.
tim_whatley
Footballguy
I think Feeley getting a start would do wonders for DWill/JStew.
puckalicious
Footballguy
It's not the 8 in the box that is the problem. It's the QB that throws a pick every 10 attempts and kills drives. Smith ensures that 8 man fronts aren't too common, all the team needs is a game manager QB and a coach with half a brain.
I was just offered a trade: Boldin and Ryan Grant for Williams and Mike Sims-Walker. Keeper league, and Grant can't be kept after this year, while Sims-Walker is much easier to keep than Boldin.And to be honest, this is the best offer I've received. I've been looking to trade Williams for the last 2 weeks, (majorly concerned about Delhomme's effect on the O-I'm hoping they start someone else, it can't get worse, right?), and there's not any interest in the guy. For some reason, despite the fact that he's on pace for over 1500 total yards and double digit TDs, he isn't getting much respect.
spider321
Footballguy
SOS is for losers.Sorry, I just can't type it enough times.
tim_whatley
Footballguy
That's a joke.
Leroy's Aces
Footballguy
Since you are so emphatic about it, allow me to say I 100% disagree with you. My personal fantasy experience would lead me to disagree and I think I can back up my statement. How about you? Are you winning league championships left and right disregarding SOS completely?SOS is for losers.Sorry, I just can't type it enough times.
spider321
Footballguy
Anyone can pull up some stats to support any opinion. I wish more people on these FF boards understood that.I'm sure you can support yours with facts and, yes, I am sure I can support mine with facts. (i.e. DWill's 4 TD's vs Giants in 2008 week 16)Week to week, yes I will look at who my guys are playing and may or may not make a change or two.But to say that a guy has a tough SOS the last 4 or 5 weeks of the season compared to another guy with lesser ability, and then deciding to trade for that lesser ability guy based on SOS, IS for losers.Since you are so emphatic about it, allow me to say I 100% disagree with you. My personal fantasy experience would lead me to disagree and I think I can back up my statement. How about you? Are you winning league championships left and right disregarding SOS completely?SOS is for losers.Sorry, I just can't type it enough times.
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Right, but the idea is to trade the theoretical #5 RB with a tough schedule for the #6 or #7 with a good schedule. Don't trade Dwill for Ryan Grant or anything, but maybe like Ronnie Brown who still has Buffalo and Tampa left on the schedule. It's hard to tell SOS in the preseason, as we haven't seen anyone play, but we have a rough idea of where defenses are at this point.
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
And I think the part in red is the determining factor.SOS based on last season's numbers isn't that reliable on draft day. But if you've generated a SOS from this year's games, you're getting closer to something predictable.
That said, I'll go with talent every time unless the difference in SOS is significant.
Agreed, and I basically told him "thanks for the offer, but I feel like that trade would downgrade me at RB and at WR, not to mention giving me two inferior keepers for next year, so I think I'll pass." My point was that Williams isn't getting the respect right now to get "fair" value in a trade, so even though Carolina's passing game seems to be holding him back, trading him might be difficult to do.
FavreCo
Footballguy
Just watched DeAngelo's 4th & 1 run for a TD. What is it that John Fox can't see? Dude breaks tackles galore. 9 men (not 8) in the box and they can't stop him. This team should always lineup in that formation so the D has no idea if he is going to give it to DeAngelo.
Exactly, so if that's the case why call these people all "losers" that are speaking "BS" ?
It may shock you but there might be people that in the fantasy football world who have been "winners" and have used SOS sometimes to help them win. But I do agree that you should always be careful on trading for a "downgrade" only because of SOS. Williams is a case of finding it hard to get decent enough value to justify trading him right now since his performance has been top 10 RB easily.
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Would have been my response as well. I wouldn't trade Rice for Williams and Stewart right now, much less Rice and Brandon Marshall.
Leroy's Aces
Footballguy
That is not what you said. You said usingSOS is for losers, insinuating that people that use it ARE losers. I disagree and use my personal vision of the SOS for the coming season to assist in deciding whether or not to even consider a player or a player on a team with a very tough SOS. I target players with easy SOS. (for 2009, all Colts, Steelers, Jags, etc.) According to you, this makes me a loser. I have successfully played high stakes fantasy national contests since 2002, and I can tell you that SOS is for winners my friend.Anyone can pull up some stats to support any opinion. I wish more people on these FF boards understood that.I'm sure you can support yours with facts and, yes, I am sure I can support mine with facts. (i.e. DWill's 4 TD's vs Giants in 2008 week 16)Week to week, yes I will look at who my guys are playing and may or may not make a change or two.But to say that a guy has a tough SOS the last 4 or 5 weeks of the season compared to another guy with lesser ability, and then deciding to trade for that lesser ability guy based on SOS, IS for losers.Since you are so emphatic about it, allow me to say I 100% disagree with you. My personal fantasy experience would lead me to disagree and I think I can back up my statement. How about you? Are you winning league championships left and right disregarding SOS completely?SOS is for losers.Sorry, I just can't type it enough times.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Yeah...when you pull out to a lead and can easily make it the rest of the way to the playoffs....SOS is a major help.
And I don't mean Fitz for MSW type stuff. I'm talking trading Fitz type talent for Reggie Wayne type talent, when Wayne has the 14-16 that will get you a championship.
No SOS is stupid. Schedule affects many teams in a big way, as we see every year. All SOS is also supid because a huge gap in talent will go the the big talent guy. The key is a happy medium of getting rid of a high guy for a similar player with the playoff heaven schedule, so when the time comes for big games, you'll get them.
And I don't mean Fitz for MSW type stuff. I'm talking trading Fitz type talent for Reggie Wayne type talent, when Wayne has the 14-16 that will get you a championship.
No SOS is stupid. Schedule affects many teams in a big way, as we see every year. All SOS is also supid because a huge gap in talent will go the the big talent guy. The key is a happy medium of getting rid of a high guy for a similar player with the playoff heaven schedule, so when the time comes for big games, you'll get them.
sdsjr3
Footballguy
OK, another big week from DeAngelo. Anyone thinking that he's still a sell? I can see Carolina continuing this trend of running like crazy and the O-line is really blocking well at this point. I was a proponent of trading DW for Ronnie. In my 14 teamer I was offered Ronnie and TO for DW and MSW. Obviously I wasn't doing that, but even straight up I don't think I'd do DW for Ronnie any longer. I think the Panther running game is really clicking and should be a good play going forward this season. I've been starting Stewart as my weekly flex in my auction league as well.
theglorydays
Footballguy
I offered a trade to one of the owners in my league last week. Dwill, Colston, and Donald Brown (he has Addai) for Ronnie and Fitz.He shot it down so i'm probably going to end up hanging on to Dwill.I think you are right, the running game seems to have started clicking and Jeff Davidson finally realizes that he can run the ball and win football games. The Panthers would have beaten the Bills if they would have stuck with the run but for some reason Davidson decided to throw the ball 40+ times.
Not sure why anyone would want to sell Williams.
He has the potential to break a huge one everytime he touches the ball. Add to that the fact he is the focal point of that offense and teh coaches know they need to get him involved to make things easier for Delhomme.
I'll be holding DWill until they pry my cold dead playoff fingers from around him.
He has the potential to break a huge one everytime he touches the ball. Add to that the fact he is the focal point of that offense and teh coaches know they need to get him involved to make things easier for Delhomme.
I'll be holding DWill until they pry my cold dead playoff fingers from around him.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
This makes sense.Isn't Deangelo the easy one here? It's good if you keep or trade high or for great value?But what about Stewart?
Knight who says Ni
Footballguy
I unloaded Michael Turner last season for this very reason (playoff SOS). Turner still played well, and the guy I traded him to won the championship. Not making this mistake again ...
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Actually Williams got dropped/traded by quite a few early/mid season last year only to se the same thing happen too.
meanjoegreen
Footballguy
The Panthers probably would have beaten the Cowboys too had they stuck to the running game. It was baffling why they chose to throw it again and again when they had the lead in the 4th Quarter. Offensive turnovers have killed them this year. Hopefully Davidson realizes now that the Panthers are at their best when they run it down teams throats. One thing to note is that their fullback Brad Hoover (who is a great run blocker) is injured and won't be playing this weekend, and Hoover's backup has a concussion. I'm not sure what they will do at fullback this weekend.theglorydays said:
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THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
Car rb's had a bad matchup last week facing the #1 rush def team (arz). And they ran all over them.
Those rb's are too talented to worry about SOS.
Those rb's are too talented to worry about SOS.
Williams is a hold honestly and I know that's a change from what I've previously thought. One game CAN completely change things and the Cards game did that for me. It's not necessarily about Williams and his 152 yards honestly though........for me it's about the Panthers themselves as a team. The Cards were supposedly supposed to have one of the leagues best run defenses?? Yea.......apparently DW and Stewart didn't get that memo.
The team as a whole is playing better and that will be huge. Their O-Line was playing with some attitude and making holes that just weren;t there the beginning of the season. s long as Delhomme doesn;t self destruct (still possible) Williams is a hold for sure.
MY big concern as I stated when I felt the SOS said "sell" was how bad the Panthers had been playing as a team compared to last year. That's changed quite a bit on the last couple weeks honestly............
The team as a whole is playing better and that will be huge. Their O-Line was playing with some attitude and making holes that just weren;t there the beginning of the season. s long as Delhomme doesn;t self destruct (still possible) Williams is a hold for sure.
MY big concern as I stated when I felt the SOS said "sell" was how bad the Panthers had been playing as a team compared to last year. That's changed quite a bit on the last couple weeks honestly............
Love to Bet football
Footballguy
D-Williams is an incredible runner but splitting the carries with J-Stewart will frustrate the hell out of you!....I have them both and while williams is still putting up great #'s,I hate it when stewart comes in because he is always sitting on my bench as I have turner and benson starting also.....Looks like I will be trading D-Williams for Gore and B-Edwards today because I kind of need another WR til Boldin gets healthy
Paul Brown
Footballguy
I'm trying to work out a deal to send D. Williams for Chris Johnson.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
held onto D. Williams this long, I'm not letting go now! he's only just starting to get his groove on..Carolina coaches have realized they're probably gone at the end of the year if they try to use Delhomme to win games.. the bye week gave Fox a chance to look at what has worked for his team in the past: run,run,run
