Alright guys, pack it up. Players can't play football anymore (1 Viewer)

[Class Dismissed]

The only player leading with his helmet was Collie.

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The Philly fans in the stadium have a much different experience than fans sitting at home, they thought it was a catch and fumble and immediately turned to the jumbotron for validation of their belief, they booed when the saw a bad call, they were not looking at a motionless player on the field. Most do not have the benefit of a TV or Radio broadcast to relay the seriousness of the injury. They do not replay injuries over and over on the jumbotron.

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Samuels was a player on the field in the heat of the moment who was a recipient of a bad call. He no doubt was looking at the jumbotron with the rest of the fans and acted accordingly.

Under the circumstances present, I have no issue with the Philly fans or Samuels.

 

[Crusaderfan]

The only player leading with his helmet was Collie.*********The Philly fans in the stadium have a much different experience than fans sitting at home, they thought it was a catch and fumble and immediately turned to the jumbotron for validation of their belief, they booed when the saw a bad call, they were not looking at a motionless player on the field. Most do not have the benefit of a TV or Radio broadcast to relay the seriousness of the injury. They do not replay injuries over and over on the jumbotron.**************Samuels was a player on the field in the heat of the moment who was a recipient of a bad call. He no doubt was looking at the jumbotron with the rest of the fans and acted accordingly. Under the circumstances present, I have no issue with the Philly fans or Samuels.

 

[JuniorNB]

It was easy to miss, but Asante got a personal foul for "Excessive Celebration" after the game-ending interception. He started running it back (towards the end zone and majority of the Colts), then realized he just need to run the clock out, so he turned the other way (away from the Colts), ran in a circle and fell to the ground. Is there an NFL rule that players have to proceed to the closest defender for their tackle?

I don't know about that but Asante was a complete ####ole whining about the flag while Collie was unconscious and, presumably paralyzed, on the field so #### Asante.

Presumably paralized? ROFL. Are you serious? One second after the hit, he was presumed paralyzed? Oh for crying out loud, drama queen.

 

[Godsbrother]

It was two terrible calls.If you watch that play, Collie ducked his head ready for the hit. He was tackled from behind and in the process of being tackled, helmet-to-helmet contact was made with the defender. The defender had lowered his head and was tackling with his SHOULDER. If Collie did not duck down, we would not be having this conversations. This is just an unfortunate incident in a very rough sport. If you want to call it incidental, then I think that is fine, but to say it was an flagrant and should be fined is ridiculous.As for the helmet love tap. Are you F-in kidding me?!? The O-Line man is jamming the defender in the chest standing him up. The defender is attempting to strip the ball from the throwing hand and taps the helmet during the swat. This is how defenders cause fumbles. I may be an Eagles fan, but both of these calls were extremely poor. The NFL has a lot of work to do to relook at some of these flags. I understand making the game safer, but it is still a rough spot. It's why these guys are getting paid a million bucks or more.

I thought the first hit was unintentional but I can see why it drew a flag as there was helmet-to-helmet.The call that irked me was the "blow to the head" on Manning. You have GOT to be kidding m!. He was going for the ball and lightly graze Manning's helmet. That play could very well have cost the Eagles the game (and playoffs down the road). It was a ridiculous BS call and I don't even like the Eagles. Then I had to hear Sims tell me how it was a good call. It really got me steamed.If this is the way the NFL is going then I am ready to find something else to spend the $5,000 a year I spend on season tickets on something else. Goodell is ruining the game.

 

[Class Dismissed]

It was two terrible calls.If you watch that play, Collie ducked his head ready for the hit. He was tackled from behind and in the process of being tackled, helmet-to-helmet contact was made with the defender. The defender had lowered his head and was tackling with his SHOULDER. If Collie did not duck down, we would not be having this conversations. This is just an unfortunate incident in a very rough sport. If you want to call it incidental, then I think that is fine, but to say it was an flagrant and should be fined is ridiculous.As for the helmet love tap. Are you F-in kidding me?!? The O-Line man is jamming the defender in the chest standing him up. The defender is attempting to strip the ball from the throwing hand and taps the helmet during the swat. This is how defenders cause fumbles. I may be an Eagles fan, but both of these calls were extremely poor. The NFL has a lot of work to do to relook at some of these flags. I understand making the game safer, but it is still a rough spot. It's why these guys are getting paid a million bucks or more.

I thought the first hit was unintentional but I can see why it drew a flag as there was helmet-to-helmet.The call that irked me was the "blow to the head" on Manning. You have GOT to be kidding m!. He was going for the ball and lightly graze Manning's helmet. That play could very well have cost the Eagles the game (and playoffs down the road). It was a ridiculous BS call and I don't even like the Eagles. Then I had to hear Sims tell me how it was a good call. It really got me steamed.If this is the way the NFL is going then I am ready to find something else to spend the $5,000 a year I spend on season tickets on something else. Goodell is ruining the game.

Simms and Nantz were an embarrasment, between Nantz and his sermonizing, patronizing, condescnsion towards individuals who disagree with the leagues new policy towards hits, and Simms defense of the ridiculous QB hit to the head penalty, I wished that the NFL Sunday Ticket would provide an option to listen to the teams local radio broadcast, like they do on NFL.com

 

[Saint]

I thought the first hit was unintentional but I can see why it drew a flag as there was helmet-to-helmet.The call that irked me was the "blow to the head" on Manning. You have GOT to be kidding m!. He was going for the ball and lightly graze Manning's helmet. That play could very well have cost the Eagles the game (and playoffs down the road). It was a ridiculous BS call and I don't even like the Eagles. Then I had to hear Sims tell me how it was a good call. It really got me steamed.If this is the way the NFL is going then I am ready to find something else to spend the $5,000 a year I spend on season tickets on something else. Goodell is ruining the game.

Have to agree with you. Harrison with $75K in fines already... Really going to extremes. I didn't hear Simms, but I was listening to The Morning Drive and a few other shows on Sirius NFL Network and 100% of the announcers are stating it should not have been flagged. While I hope Collie fine, the reality is that if he moved after the play and got up, it would never have been flagged.

 

[davearm]

The game has become too fast. It's only a matter of time before somebody dies on the field. Either make them wear helmets made of pillows or have everyone carry a 25LB bag of weights on their back to slow down the action.

Or remove all protective gear. I played Rugby in high school and when you are tackling someone and neither of you are wearing pads you tackle differently.

Seems as though some folks are a bit too quick to equate "different" with "better" and/or "safer". It very well could be neither. "No pads football" could easily be a game that's more dangerous for players and less enjoyable for fans.

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue, but it wouldn't be more dangerous and less enjoyable. Anyway we're already seeing the game become less enjoyable with the over-officiating of it given these and other new rules.

So let me get this straight.We're going to take away the players' helmets and all protective padding, and you think there's no chance the risk of injury could increase?

And you don't think there's any chance a "no pads" game would evolve in a way that would make it less enjoyable to watch? Part of football's popularity is the violent collisions. You're reducing that element, and replacing it with finesse and technique. I could easily see that being less appealing to watch. In fact that's exactly what I would expect.

 

[Chaka]

It was easy to miss, but Asante got a personal foul for "Excessive Celebration" after the game-ending interception. He started running it back (towards the end zone and majority of the Colts), then realized he just need to run the clock out, so he turned the other way (away from the Colts), ran in a circle and fell to the ground. Is there an NFL rule that players have to proceed to the closest defender for their tackle?

I don't know about that but Asante was a complete ####ole whining about the flag while Collie was unconscious and, presumably paralyzed, on the field so #### Asante.

Presumably paralized? ROFL. Are you serious? One second after the hit, he was presumed paralyzed? Oh for crying out loud, drama queen.

Classy. Fine call it "seriously injured" instead. As soon as Collie started to go down it was obvious that he was literally frozen in position. If you did not recognize that fact immediately as it happened that is the fault of your own lack of perception. Either way Asante was out of line.

 

[smokin018]

It was easy to miss, but Asante got a personal foul for "Excessive Celebration" after the game-ending interception. He started running it back (towards the end zone and majority of the Colts), then realized he just need to run the clock out, so he turned the other way (away from the Colts), ran in a circle and fell to the ground. Is there an NFL rule that players have to proceed to the closest defender for their tackle?

I don't know about that but Asante was a complete ####ole whining about the flag while Collie was unconscious and, presumably paralyzed, on the field so #### Asante.

Presumably paralized? ROFL. Are you serious? One second after the hit, he was presumed paralyzed? Oh for crying out loud, drama queen.

Classy. Fine call it "seriously injured" instead. As soon as Collie started to go down it was obvious that he was literally frozen in position. If you did not recognize that fact immediately as it happened that is the fault of your own lack of perception. Either way Asante was out of line.

So you were able to recognize immediately that Collie was literally frozen in place after the hit but you fail to recognize the catch, a few steps, covering the ball up, and preparing to be hit. Your "perception" needs to see that he was not a defenseless receiver when he was hit and that there should not have been a flag.... When it sunk in how serious Collie's condition on the field had become, every Eagle player and every fan in the stands focused their attention on him. Nothing classless about the Eagles or their fans here even though many of you are trying desperately to create something....as usual.

 

[JuniorNB]

It was easy to miss, but Asante got a personal foul for "Excessive Celebration" after the game-ending interception. He started running it back (towards the end zone and majority of the Colts), then realized he just need to run the clock out, so he turned the other way (away from the Colts), ran in a circle and fell to the ground. Is there an NFL rule that players have to proceed to the closest defender for their tackle?

I don't know about that but Asante was a complete ####ole whining about the flag while Collie was unconscious and, presumably paralyzed, on the field so #### Asante.

Presumably paralized? ROFL. Are you serious? One second after the hit, he was presumed paralyzed? Oh for crying out loud, drama queen.

Classy. Fine call it "seriously injured" instead. As soon as Collie started to go down it was obvious that he was literally frozen in position. If you did not recognize that fact immediately as it happened that is the fault of your own lack of perception. Either way Asante was out of line.

So you were able to recognize immediately that Collie was literally frozen in place after the hit but you fail to recognize the catch, a few steps, covering the ball up, and preparing to be hit. Your "perception" needs to see that he was not a defenseless receiver when he was hit and that there should not have been a flag.... When it sunk in how serious Collie's condition on the field had become, every Eagle player and every fan in the stands focused their attention on him. Nothing classless about the Eagles or their fans here even though many of you are trying desperately to create something....as usual.

Well, in all fairness, you know how every other teams' fandom likes to think Eagle fans are meaner and more ruthless than anyone else's, so this can be expected. They also think we're insulted by it. I wear it like a crown! Fear Philly! LOL

 

[Amused to Death]

It was easy to miss, but Asante got a personal foul for "Excessive Celebration" after the game-ending interception. He started running it back (towards the end zone and majority of the Colts), then realized he just need to run the clock out, so he turned the other way (away from the Colts), ran in a circle and fell to the ground. Is there an NFL rule that players have to proceed to the closest defender for their tackle?

I don't know about that but Asante was a complete ####ole whining about the flag while Collie was unconscious and, presumably paralyzed, on the field so #### Asante.

Presumably paralized? ROFL. Are you serious? One second after the hit, he was presumed paralyzed? Oh for crying out loud, drama queen.

Classy. Fine call it "seriously injured" instead. As soon as Collie started to go down it was obvious that he was literally frozen in position. If you did not recognize that fact immediately as it happened that is the fault of your own lack of perception. Either way Asante was out of line.

So did you recognize it immediately or after the numerous replays that Samuels isn't privy to? The player is trying to plead his case to a ref. Neither are involved in the treatment of injured players. Players are slow to get up all the time. When it became apparent this was more serious, every one's attention was focused on Collie. If this play happened in Seattle the only thing we'd be discussing is the player's health and well being.We're almost at the point where players have to bring their agents and lawyers to the games to negotiate settlements on fines and review frame-by-frame if a hit is legal.

 

[Chaka]

It was easy to miss, but Asante got a personal foul for "Excessive Celebration" after the game-ending interception. He started running it back (towards the end zone and majority of the Colts), then realized he just need to run the clock out, so he turned the other way (away from the Colts), ran in a circle and fell to the ground. Is there an NFL rule that players have to proceed to the closest defender for their tackle?

I don't know about that but Asante was a complete ####ole whining about the flag while Collie was unconscious and, presumably paralyzed, on the field so #### Asante.

Presumably paralized? ROFL. Are you serious? One second after the hit, he was presumed paralyzed? Oh for crying out loud, drama queen.

Classy. Fine call it "seriously injured" instead. As soon as Collie started to go down it was obvious that he was literally frozen in position. If you did not recognize that fact immediately as it happened that is the fault of your own lack of perception. Either way Asante was out of line.

So you were able to recognize immediately that Collie was literally frozen in place after the hit but you fail to recognize the catch, a few steps, covering the ball up, and preparing to be hit. Your "perception" needs to see that he was not a defenseless receiver when he was hit and that there should not have been a flag.... When it sunk in how serious Collie's condition on the field had become, every Eagle player and every fan in the stands focused their attention on him. Nothing classless about the Eagles or their fans here even though many of you are trying desperately to create something....as usual.

I made no comments on whether it was a good or bad call.But, yes, it was immediately obvious that Collie was hurt.

 

[Chaka]

It was easy to miss, but Asante got a personal foul for "Excessive Celebration" after the game-ending interception. He started running it back (towards the end zone and majority of the Colts), then realized he just need to run the clock out, so he turned the other way (away from the Colts), ran in a circle and fell to the ground. Is there an NFL rule that players have to proceed to the closest defender for their tackle?

I don't know about that but Asante was a complete ####ole whining about the flag while Collie was unconscious and, presumably paralyzed, on the field so #### Asante.

Presumably paralized? ROFL. Are you serious? One second after the hit, he was presumed paralyzed? Oh for crying out loud, drama queen.

Classy. Fine call it "seriously injured" instead. As soon as Collie started to go down it was obvious that he was literally frozen in position. If you did not recognize that fact immediately as it happened that is the fault of your own lack of perception. Either way Asante was out of line.

So did you recognize it immediately or after the numerous replays that Samuels isn't privy to? The player is trying to plead his case to a ref. Neither are involved in the treatment of injured players. Players are slow to get up all the time. When it became apparent this was more serious, every one's attention was focused on Collie. If this play happened in Seattle the only thing we'd be discussing is the player's health and well being.We're almost at the point where players have to bring their agents and lawyers to the games to negotiate settlements on fines and review frame-by-frame if a hit is legal.

I'm not talking about the Philly fans, I'm talking about Asante.I think the fan reaction was typical of what you would see in any stadium.

 

[Godsbrother]

We're almost at the point where players have to bring their agents and lawyers to the games to negotiate settlements on fines and review frame-by-frame if a hit is legal.

I think Troy Polamalu said it best:

"You know, he's got all the power; that may be part of the problem, that there needs to be some type of separation of power like our government. There should be some type of players involved in decisions over how much people should be fined or what they should be fined for, as well as coaches, as well as front office people."I don't think it should be just totally based on what two or three people may say who are totally away from the game. I think it should be some of the players who are currently playing."

Of course none of that matters to Der Fuhrer

 

[JuniorNB]

How dare he try to make it safe for the players?? Hahaha

You poepole who are whining realize that a death is coming sooner than later, right? The NFL has to protect itself. If they don't take obvious, documented steps to make the game safer, they will be sued out of business when that day comes.

 

[Mello]

How dare he try to make it safe for the players?? HahahaYou poepole who are whining realize that a death is coming sooner than later, right? The NFL has to protect itself. If they don't take obvious, documented steps to make the game safer, they will be sued out of business when that day comes.

I have realized for the last 30 years that a death will happen eventually. It's a violent sport. That doesn't mean the rules should be changed to this extent. Make the players sign legal waivers or something. I guarantee the answer is not flagging defensive players because the receiver lowered his helmet or flagging linemen that tap the back of a QB's helmet.

 

[Godsbrother]

I have realized for the last 30 years that a death will happen eventually. It's a violent sport. That doesn't mean the rules should be changed to this extent. Make the players sign legal waivers or something. I guarantee the answer is not flagging defensive players because the receiver lowered his helmet or flagging linemen that tap the back of a QB's helmet.

Fining players is taking the easy way out an does nothing to solve the problem.

 

[j3r3m3y]

We're going to take away the players' helmets and all protective padding, and you think there's no chance the risk of injury could increase?

My evidence is anecdotal but for the 3 years I played rugby we had fewer serious injuries (defined as requiring a trip to the ER) than the football team, the basketball team and two of those years than the soccer team.

 

[footballnerd]

NEW YORK (AP)—The NFL will not hand out any discipline for the hit that gave Indianapolis wide receiver Austin Collie(notes) a concussion in Philadelphia on Sunday.

Collie was hit by Eagles safety Quintin Mikell(notes), then took a shot to the helmet from fellow safety Kurt Coleman’s(notes) helmet in the second quarter. Collie briefly lost consciousness and was taken off the field by stretcher.

Coleman was penalized for unnecessary roughness.

The NFL said because the helmet-to-helmet contact was a result of Collie being driven toward Coleman by Mikell’s legal hit, there will be no fine. The league said game officials have been instructed to err on the side of player safety, and when in doubt, “penalize in situations such as this for unnecessary roughness.”

Yahoo Sports

 

[j3r3m3y]

NEW YORK (AP)—The NFL will not hand out any discipline for the hit that gave Indianapolis wide receiver Austin Collie(notes) a concussion in Philadelphia on Sunday.

Collie was hit by Eagles safety Quintin Mikell(notes), then took a shot to the helmet from fellow safety Kurt Coleman’s(notes) helmet in the second quarter. Collie briefly lost consciousness and was taken off the field by stretcher.

Coleman was penalized for unnecessary roughness.

The NFL said because the helmet-to-helmet contact was a result of Collie being driven toward Coleman by Mikell’s legal hit, there will be no fine. The league said game officials have been instructed to err on the side of player safety, and when in doubt, “penalize in situations such as this for unnecessary roughness.”

Yahoo Sports

I am OK with this, it was a bad call but they happen. I am glad that Collie is OK and that no one is being fined.

 

[Mello]

NEW YORK (AP)—The NFL will not hand out any discipline for the hit that gave Indianapolis wide receiver Austin Collie(notes) a concussion in Philadelphia on Sunday.

Collie was hit by Eagles safety Quintin Mikell(notes), then took a shot to the helmet from fellow safety Kurt Coleman’s(notes) helmet in the second quarter. Collie briefly lost consciousness and was taken off the field by stretcher.

Coleman was penalized for unnecessary roughness.

The NFL said because the helmet-to-helmet contact was a result of Collie being driven toward Coleman by Mikell’s legal hit, there will be no fine. The league said game officials have been instructed to err on the side of player safety, and when in doubt, “penalize in situations such as this for unnecessary roughness.”

Yahoo Sports

Poor policy. You don't call a penalty unless you know one occurred. A flag is a retroactive penalty, not a preventative measure.

 

[NJJets]

NEW YORK (AP)—The NFL will not hand out any discipline for the hit that gave Indianapolis wide receiver Austin Collie(notes) a concussion in Philadelphia on Sunday.

Collie was hit by Eagles safety Quintin Mikell(notes), then took a shot to the helmet from fellow safety Kurt Coleman’s(notes) helmet in the second quarter. Collie briefly lost consciousness and was taken off the field by stretcher.

Coleman was penalized for unnecessary roughness.

The NFL said because the helmet-to-helmet contact was a result of Collie being driven toward Coleman by Mikell’s legal hit, there will be no fine. The league said game officials have been instructed to err on the side of player safety, and when in doubt, “penalize in situations such as this for unnecessary roughness.”

Yahoo Sports

While I agree that there should be no fine I wonder what the league would be saying about the poor refereeing that's rampant in the "No-Fun-League" if that "Penalty" had cost the Eagles the game

 

[davearm]

We're going to take away the players' helmets and all protective padding, and you think there's no chance the risk of injury could increase?

My evidence is anecdotal but for the 3 years I played rugby we had fewer serious injuries (defined as requiring a trip to the ER) than the football team, the basketball team and two of those years than the soccer team.

Do you think your rugby team would have spent more time in the ER if you were wearing pads?

 

[CaptainHook]

Maybe players will relearn how to tackle and not go for the killshot in the future. That would be a treat, watching a defender who can wrap up a player and tackle him, rather then going for a spear and a strip (leading with their helmet)

why would it be a treat for the game to become boring

They are just treat a HTH hit like an unintentional facemask now. Intentions don't matter, only the fact it happened. Coleman hit Collie HTH. I seriously doubt it was intentional. Collie was trying to steel himself against the hit by the other defender and put himself into a horrible position for Coleman. But he still got hit HTH, and that now results in 15 yards, and is going to from now on. Deal with it.

lol @ deal with it. i wont deal with anything ill just stop watching football.

 

[JuniorNB]

lol @ deal with it. i wont deal with anything ill just stop watching football.

Cap'n. Wait.

 

[scratcher]

The most frustrating part of those penalties were that they came during crucial times that could have affected the course of the game. Refs should be judicious with their flags. Instead these refs seem to be anxious to call a penalty. Maybe its a well-intended desire to not miss a call or maybe they want to have an impact on the game, who knows. But they are being given too much power as of late, especially with the new emphasis on preventing injuries.

 

[davearm]

The most frustrating part of those penalties were that they came during crucial times that could have affected the course of the game. Refs should be judicious with their flags.

I could easily be misinterpreting this comment, but the last thing I'd want is for refs to call the game differently in the 4th Q than the 1st Q, and/or differently when it's Brady vs. Kitna etc.The NHL NBA and MLB have all suffered from this sort of "judiciousness" on the part of its officials.

 

[Warrior]

This is probably the first questionable officiating call in the history of football. I don't think football can withstand these kind of controversies. But we shall see....And BTW, Philly fans still suck.

Best fans in all of sports. And they're in your head! Wouldn't have it any other way. Hahahaha

...says the guy from PA.Classless booing after that play.

 

[NJJets]

The most frustrating part of those penalties were that they came during crucial times that could have affected the course of the game. Refs should be judicious with their flags.

I could easily be misinterpreting this comment, but the last thing I'd want is for refs to call the game differently in the 4th Q than the 1st Q, and/or differently when it's Brady vs. Kitna etc.The NHL NBA and MLB have all suffered from this sort of "judiciousness" on the part of its officials.

The "Flag" in question was an absolute HORRIBLE call.That flag doesn't get thrown IF Collie gets up/Starts Moving right away that's what the OP is objecting to.

 

[Saint]

...says the guy from PA.Classless booing after that play.

I am from PA and I am an Eagles fan. So you are telling me you don't boo penalties that are bad calls? Ummm.. sure. The fact is. The ref err'd on the side of caution and threw the flag after Collie didn't get up. The play was legit, the penalty was not, as the league later came out and said (which is why Coleman isn't fined). As a fan, I boo that call everytime. I don't think any fan would cheer or boo for a player that's hurt.What's really concerning is that with some of these calls, they run the chance now of impacting playoff games. How would you like to watch a SuperBowl where a bad call decides the SuperBowl? I think we are getting closer and closer to seeing that happen.

 

[JuniorNB]

This is probably the first questionable officiating call in the history of football. I don't think football can withstand these kind of controversies. But we shall see....And BTW, Philly fans still suck.

Best fans in all of sports. And they're in your head! Wouldn't have it any other way. Hahahaha

...says the guy from PA.Classless booing after that play.

Yeah, they were booing a horrible call. Once they realized that Collie was hurt, it went silent. And they applauded nicely when he left the field.Try to take off the Redskin-hater glasses for once.

 

[Godsbrother]

Anyone see the "roughing the passer" penalty on Casey Hampton's tackle of Carson Palmer in the 4th quarter of MNF? Absolutely ridiculous...

 

[renesauz]

Anyone see the "roughing the passer" penalty on Casey Hampton's tackle of Carson Palmer in the 4th quarter of MNF? Absolutely ridiculous...

Agreed...on replay. Live action I could see what the ref would flag. Players aren't allowed to hit a QB below the knees. It certainly looked like he did...only on replay is it obvious he made little or no contact except for literrally pulling (not hitting) Palmers feet out from under him. Bad call, but not egregious (sp?)

 

[JuniorNB]

Anyone see the "roughing the passer" penalty on Casey Hampton's tackle of Carson Palmer in the 4th quarter of MNF? Absolutely ridiculous...

Agreed...on replay. Live action I could see what the ref would flag. Players aren't allowed to hit a QB below the knees. It certainly looked like he did...only on replay is it obvious he made little or no contact except for literrally pulling (not hitting) Palmers feet out from under him. Bad call, but not egregious (sp?)

Exactly correct. And I'm not sure if it's supposed to be in an official's subconscience or not, but it was Pittsburgh defender who took out Palmer's knee on a similar hit a few years back.If refs could somehow see live action in slow motion, a lot of calls would be different.