Alternative scoring system: H2H vs. Entire League (H2HEL)? (1 Viewer)

[vonbrocklin]

Anybody who's played H2H long enough knows that luck is a significant factor, and every league seems to have the 6-8 team with the second highest total points that misses the playoffs, and the 8-6 team who makes the playoffs while skating by against a weaker schedule and the least points scored against.

But head-to-head is great for so many reasons, and I hate the sterile idea of scoring on straight points even though it is arguably the most accurate measure of the best team.

This got me thinking about the idea of playing every team in the league, every week, in a H2H matchup. Final standings are determined by overall record (which in a 12 team league with a 14 week schedule would give you a total of 154 games.) Playoffs would work the same way, until the 1-on-1 showdown between the teams with the two best overall records.

It seems like this would be a much more accurate way of determining the best teams, while still maintaining the magic of H2H match-ups. Are there any league sites that allow this kind of setup?

 

[GregR]

I normally see the format called "All Play". MFL supports it, I'm sure other sites do too.

 

[vonbrocklin]

I normally see the format called "All Play". MFL supports it, I'm sure other sites do too.

Sweet, I didn't know it existed but it makes sense that it does. We've been on Yahoo forever and they don't support, nor do the other big guns (ESPN, CBS) that I could decipher. Is there a reason the format isn't more popular? I'm sure it has its flaws but it seems kind of ideal.

 

[Dedelvis]

Go to MFL, they've had this option for years listed under their "power rankings". Using the all-play through MFL is how we've decided our 6-seed for the past few years. Can't beat it.

 

[The Jerk]

I normally see the format called "All Play". MFL supports it, I'm sure other sites do too.

Sweet, I didn't know it existed but it makes sense that it does. We've been on Yahoo forever and they don't support, nor do the other big guns (ESPN, CBS) that I could decipher. Is there a reason the format isn't more popular? I'm sure it has its flaws but it seems kind of ideal.

Nothing wrong with using it, but it doesn't maintain the "magic" of matchups because you play every team every week.

My ideal league format is to have dual formats weighted equally that includes a head-to-head champion and a total points champion. And naturally, the same team can be dual champions. All-play and total points, while different formats to a degree, are fairly similar in terms of reducing the luck factor.

 

[GregR]

Go to MFL, they've had this option for years listed under their "power rankings". Using the all-play through MFL is how we've decided our 6-seed for the past few years. Can't beat it.

Power Rankings displays it, but in General League setup you can have it make your actual schedule that as well.

 

[GregR]

I normally see the format called "All Play". MFL supports it, I'm sure other sites do too.

Sweet, I didn't know it existed but it makes sense that it does. We've been on Yahoo forever and they don't support, nor do the other big guns (ESPN, CBS) that I could decipher. Is there a reason the format isn't more popular? I'm sure it has its flaws but it seems kind of ideal.

Nothing wrong with using it, but it doesn't maintain the "magic" of matchups because you play every team every week.

My ideal league format is to have dual formats weighted equally that includes a head-to-head champion and a total points champion. And naturally, the same team can be dual champions. All-play and total points, while different formats to a degree, are fairly similar in terms of reducing the luck factor.

I agree people don't use it much because they like having more specific opponents they can focus on each week.

A middle ground would be to use double or triple headers. Compared to single game H2H, your results will fall a lot closer to what the All Play record would be. But you don't abandon having specific opponents as much.

Worst thing about them is just the scheduling aspect. Getting an even number of games, and/or playing division teams more than out of division, can be tricky to make work. Triple headers work well with a 12 team, 3 division league. You play a team from each division every week and just rotate through and then repeat the order, ending up playing in division 4 times and out of division 3 times each over 12 weeks. Giving you weeks 13-15 for a 6 team playoff with byes, and then done before NFL teams start sitting people.

 

[ebsteelers]

Isnt that like rotisserie style?

 

[pollardsvision]

Isnt that like rotisserie style?

If you are referring to baseball, not it's not.

That involves, usually, 10 stat categories, and the final league standings are determined by ranks in those 10 categories. There are no weekly match-ups.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Worst thing about them is just the scheduling aspect. Getting an even number of games, and/or playing division teams more than out of division, can be tricky to make work.

In a 14 team league with no divisions and a 13 week regular season is there a way to have MFL just schedule triple-headers each week? So that each of the 14 teams plays the other teams three times? Or do you have to do the scheduling manually?

 

[ebsteelers]

Isnt that like rotisserie style?

If you are referring to baseball, not it's not.

That involves, usually, 10 stat categories, and the final league standings are determined by ranks in those 10 categories. There are no weekly match-ups.

I meant in the aspect of your playing everyone basically at all times and not head to head. If your playing everyone every week you lose the head to head aspect anyway.

I like head to head, sure its not always you'll have weeks you score the second most and loss, but you'll also have a week where you scored the 2nd worst and win.

I like how the fgpc does it. highest point total makes playoffs, and head to head record

 

[GregR]

Worst thing about them is just the scheduling aspect. Getting an even number of games, and/or playing division teams more than out of division, can be tricky to make work.

In a 14 team league with no divisions and a 13 week regular season is there a way to have MFL just schedule triple-headers each week? So that each of the 14 teams plays the other teams three times? Or do you have to do the scheduling manually?

Can set up 14 team doubleheader w/packaged sched. Triple would have to do manual. I set mine in excel then loaded

 

[Daywalker]

My baseball league does this and it's by far my favorite format. Thing with baseball though is that it's a week long boat race. Much slower pace to watch things unfold and get a sense how you are stacking up against your opponents. If it was all condensed into basically one day I think it might be overload and may lead you to lose that sense of having an opponent.

 

[chickensoup]

My main league has used H2H for championship ($300/$100 1st/2nd) and $500/$200/$100 for highest 3 total points for years now. We like it because it keeps the head to head aspect so plenty of trash talking but it still rewards people for picking the overall best lineups.

Most years the guy who wins the h2h wins some part of the total points, usually one of the first 2. 2 years ago I won total points without making the playoffs (Thank you Cam Newton!). But the best part is that it has typically kept everyone close to money most years.