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Amendola or Salas? (1 Viewer)

Amendola is keeping the seat warm for Salas as he has the better skill set for YAC , Size and RZ. Amendola's numbers prolly won't even be close to last year's with all the options including Kendricks available. The lockout will help Amendola to a degree as his competition will take much longer to get up to speed but they didn't draft 2 WR's because they are content with the starters.

 
Avery.He's the most talented WR on the roster, with all due respect to Clayton.
:goodposting: I thought this was obvious!... apparently not? :shrug: I dont think you can judge him by the numbers here... he has been a part of one of the worst offensive stretches for one team in NFL history. I think it would have been a struggle for just about any WR to put up solid numbers with the combination of Line play, Quarterback play and surrounding skill players(other than SJAX obviously). Now Avery has all these things. We shall see how be comes back from the injury , who knows he is a speed guy , maybe hes done. But I still think pre-injury hes clearly the most talented guy
Clearly the most talented guy? All he's shown is speed. He hasn't shown he can make a catch like a couple that DX brought down last year. He hasn't shown he can get open other than running a go route. I'm not sure what player you have been watching, but it wasn't Donnie Avery.
 
Avery.

He's the most talented WR on the roster, with all due respect to Clayton.
:goodposting: I thought this was obvious!... apparently not? :shrug: I dont think you can judge him by the numbers here... he has been a part of one of the worst offensive stretches for one team in NFL history. I think it would have been a struggle for just about any WR to put up solid numbers with the combination of Line play, Quarterback play and surrounding skill players(other than SJAX obviously). Now Avery has all these things. We shall see how be comes back from the injury , who knows he is a speed guy , maybe hes done. But I still think pre-injury hes clearly the most talented guy
Clearly the most talented guy? All he's shown is speed. He hasn't shown he can make a catch like a couple that DX brought down last year. He hasn't shown he can get open other than running a go route. I'm not sure what player you have been watching, but it wasn't Donnie Avery.
I'm not sure what player you have been watching, but although the 'most talented' label is debatable, Avery has made some damn impressive catches. Danario is just fresher in everyone's minds.
 
Avery.

He's the most talented WR on the roster, with all due respect to Clayton.
:goodposting: I thought this was obvious!... apparently not? :shrug: I dont think you can judge him by the numbers here... he has been a part of one of the worst offensive stretches for one team in NFL history. I think it would have been a struggle for just about any WR to put up solid numbers with the combination of Line play, Quarterback play and surrounding skill players(other than SJAX obviously). Now Avery has all these things. We shall see how be comes back from the injury , who knows he is a speed guy , maybe hes done. But I still think pre-injury hes clearly the most talented guy
Clearly the most talented guy? All he's shown is speed. He hasn't shown he can make a catch like a couple that DX brought down last year. He hasn't shown he can get open other than running a go route. I'm not sure what player you have been watching, but it wasn't Donnie Avery.
I'm not sure what player you have been watching, but although the 'most talented' label is debatable, Avery has made some damn impressive catches. Danario is just fresher in everyone's minds.
Tough to find Avery highlights, but I haven't seen anything near as impressive as this... or the one against SF.http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81b61d29/Alexander-38-yard-TD-catch

 
If you think last year was Amendola's ceiling, then I can see the "seat warmer" arguments, but the fact remains that he will have something almost no other receiver on the team is guaranteed: opportunity. Maybe some don't believe in Bradford, but if I had a QB, with possibly Peyton Manning potential, I think I'd want to keep his safety valve around rather than having him throw to a rookie TE and 2 rookie WRs (3rd and 4th round WRs, to boot).

 
Isn't Salas old for a rookie? Could be a reason he fell too.

sorry my mistake, it's Gates who is 25

 
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If you think last year was Amendola's ceiling, then I can see the "seat warmer" arguments, but the fact remains that he will have something almost no other receiver on the team is guaranteed: opportunity. Maybe some don't believe in Bradford, but if I had a QB, with possibly Peyton Manning potential, I think I'd want to keep his safety valve around rather than having him throw to a rookie TE and 2 rookie WRs (3rd and 4th round WRs, to boot).
I do think we've seen Amendola's ceiling. This doesn't mean he can't be useful to your Fantasy team this season but I have seen enough of what he brings to the table to recognize his limitations pretty clearly. If I can so did the Rams. I also think Bradford a top QB in the making. Amendola was also a practice squad player claimed from the Cowboys, so I don't put too much on the fact Pettis/Salas were not high picks. There was a big drop in # 1 WR after Little and Baldwin and the Rams had other needs as a higher priority before WR. There is plenty opportunity for all of them there for different reasons.
 
Especially considering the lockout I would expect Amendola to retain much of his role for this year, but Salas will be given every chance to beat him out as soon as he can (no way is STL happy with what they got out of the WR position last year, and considering that Bradford's only knock was YPA one might think they would look not to be throwing over 100 balls to someone averaging 8 YPC).

 
Amendola is a very risky pick. I expect to see him get drafted much higher in ppr than I would EVER consider drafting him, as people read the scuttlebutt and try to get the "next Wes Welker" on their team.

Does he have a chance at 100 catches? Sure.

But there is also a good chance that with all the new weapons, the Rams try to gameplan to get their playmakers the ball.

Amendola is not a playmaker.

I think the safe route is to project Amendola to have another solid 70-80 catch season. Bradford and the Rams are not going to check down to Amendola all season, as they will look to be more explosive. But he should be a useful option in ppr leagues.

If you could pick up Amendola at a spot in the draft where a 75 catch and 600 yard receiver should go, than he's a great pick.

If you are drafting him early because you expect Wes Welker numbers, you are likely going to get burned.

 
I go to the colts model on this one.

IF one WR stays healthy, the best shot at numbers is Clayton. Had he stayed healthy, there is little Amandola talk.

The BIG relevant player will be Kendricks. He will come in and quickly be the consistent player on the field in a receiving capacity on a consistent basis. His targets and catches will reflect that and I've always though Bradford looked a lot better and more dynamic when he was throwing to Gresham in college.

I really think instead of people playing roulette trying to find the WR in this offense, they should grab the young TE; he's the one that is going to be the everyweek play in leagues this year. By this time next year, I would expect Kendricks to be talked about as an everyweek TE 8-14 (not as elite as Gates/Davis/Clark, but very much like a healthy Owen Daniels, Winslow when they are producing).

 
It's worth noting that McDaniel's fingerprints were all over the selections of both Pettis and Salas so I think both will be expected to produce on some level this season if it's played.
Dawn, that's just crazy talk. Everyone remembers those Brady-esque numbers that Cutler put up once McDaniels came to town.
Cutler under McDaniels? :unsure:
It was a joke. If McDaniels wasn't loyal to Cutler, why does anyone think he will be loyal to a bunch of much less heralded WR's filling a roster just because they were there when he was hired? That's all I'm saying.This is a team widely considered to be lacking in the play-maker department...and that includes Amendola's 80+ receptions. Rather than counting on just getting healthy this year, the Rams go out a acquire two WR's and a TE that show promise of that. You're getting a WR in a TE's (albeit a thin, wiry TE) body. You're getting a guy that looks to have some physical red-zone skills in Pettis. And you're looking at a Salas as someone with great hands that seems to have a knack for getting separation before and after the catch even though he doesn't have elite timed speed.Clayton isn't getting any younger and has spent his career perpetually dinged up. Alexander's knees are a big question mark. And how many games has Avery played over the last couple of years? What has Robinson or Gibson done even when healthy?
 
It's worth noting that McDaniel's fingerprints were all over the selections of both Pettis and Salas so I think both will be expected to produce on some level this season if it's played.
Dawn, that's just crazy talk. Everyone remembers those Brady-esque numbers that Cutler put up once McDaniels came to town.
Cutler under McDaniels? :unsure:
It was a joke. If McDaniels wasn't loyal to Cutler, why does anyone think he will be loyal to a bunch of much less heralded WR's filling a roster just because they were there when he was hired? That's all I'm saying.This is a team widely considered to be lacking in the play-maker department...and that includes Amendola's 80+ receptions. Rather than counting on just getting healthy this year, the Rams go out a acquire two WR's and a TE that show promise of that. You're getting a WR in a TE's (albeit a thin, wiry TE) body. You're getting a guy that looks to have some physical red-zone skills in Pettis. And you're looking at a Salas as someone with great hands that seems to have a knack for getting separation before and after the catch even though he doesn't have elite timed speed.

Clayton isn't getting any younger and has spent his career perpetually dinged up. Alexander's knees are a big question mark. And how many games has Avery played over the last couple of years? What has Robinson or Gibson done even when healthy?
That is something that has to be taken into account with McDaniels, as in Denver he very much favored his hand picked choices or those he considered "his guys" as evidenced by the fact he never gave Hillis a chance (despite the fact that he looked the best of all RBs in training camp during Moreno's rookie year). Perhaps his not being HC will make a difference, but with his ego, I would tend to think he will eventually favor some of the players taken this year, particularly Lance Kenricks.
 
Speaking of McDaniels and the assumption Amendola will be a PPR monster in 2011 (something I've made clear upthread I'm in DISagreement with)...

Anyone else remember Eddie Royal's 91-980-5 (10.8 YPC) on 129 targets the year before McDaniels arrived in Denver? Very Amendola-ish, yes?

Although healthy, he was a complete non-factor the following year in McDaniels' first year there. 37-345-0. Who was calling the plays? McDaniels. Who spent a lot of time on the sidelines? Amendola, er, I mean Royal.

As I said earlier in the thread, things change. Dumbly assuming more of the same without understanding the circumstances surrounding 2010 and 2011 is fantasy death. I understand all the Amendola dyno owners want to remain in denial about this, but all the wishing in the world won't change things. Assuming the big drop off can't happen to Amendola is no different than assuming it couldn't happen to Royal. Bradford has a year of experience now. He will have healthy players who are better playmakers than Danny boy. Shurmer is gone, replaced by McDaniels.

You want big PPR numbers? Figure out who the slot guy will be in Cleveland this year, where Shurmer is now. 12 months from now there may be threads talking about what a PPR monster and great WR Robiskie is. Who knows?

 
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Speaking of McDaniels and the assumption Amendola will be a PPR monster in 2011 (something I've made clear upthread I'm in DISagreement with)...

Anyone else remember Eddie Royal's 91-980-5 (10.8 YPC) on 129 targets the year before McDaniels arrived in Denver? Very Amendola-ish, yes?

Although healthy, he was a complete non-factor the following year in McDaniels' first year there. 37-345-0. Who was calling the plays? McDaniels. Who spent a lot of time on the sidelines? Amendola, er, I mean Royal.

As I said earlier in the thread, things change. Dumbly assuming more of the same without understanding the circumstances surrounding 2010 and 2011 is fantasy death. I understand all the Amendola dyno owners want to remain in denial about this, but all the wishing in the world won't change things. Assuming the big drop off can't happen to Amendola is no different than assuming it couldn't happen to Royal. Bradford has a year of experience now. He will have healthy players who are better playmakers than Danny boy. Shurmer is gone, replaced by McDaniels.

You want big PPR numbers? Figure out who the slot guy will be in Cleveland this year, where Shurmer is now. 12 months from now there may be threads talking about what a PPR monster and great WR Robiskie is. Who knows?
Jordan Cameron :popcorn:
 
Speaking of McDaniels and the assumption Amendola will be a PPR monster in 2011 (something I've made clear upthread I'm in DISagreement with)...

Anyone else remember Eddie Royal's 91-980-5 (10.8 YPC) on 129 targets the year before McDaniels arrived in Denver? Very Amendola-ish, yes?

Although healthy, he was a complete non-factor the following year in McDaniels' first year there. 37-345-0. Who was calling the plays? McDaniels. Who spent a lot of time on the sidelines? Amendola, er, I mean Royal.

As I said earlier in the thread, things change. Dumbly assuming more of the same without understanding the circumstances surrounding 2010 and 2011 is fantasy death. I understand all the Amendola dyno owners want to remain in denial about this, but all the wishing in the world won't change things. Assuming the big drop off can't happen to Amendola is no different than assuming it couldn't happen to Royal. Bradford has a year of experience now. He will have healthy players who are better playmakers than Danny boy. Shurmer is gone, replaced by McDaniels.

You want big PPR numbers? Figure out who the slot guy will be in Cleveland this year, where Shurmer is now. 12 months from now there may be threads talking about what a PPR monster and great WR Robiskie is. Who knows?
It is interesting to note Eddie Royal, but I think his problem was an inability to adapt to the "hot reads" required in a McDaniels offense. Could that happen to Amendola too? Perhaps but there are certain improvisational (for lack of a better term) skills required in a McDaniels offense, and I would think that a possession, move-the-chains WR like Amendola is probably more likely to make the transition than Royal.
 
Amendola is a very risky pick. I expect to see him get drafted much higher in ppr than I would EVER consider drafting him, as people read the scuttlebutt and try to get the "next Wes Welker" on their team.
This is what it comes down to for me. Someone is going to depend on this guy for a starter. That someone is not going to be me.
 
Speaking of McDaniels and the assumption Amendola will be a PPR monster in 2011 (something I've made clear upthread I'm in DISagreement with)...

Anyone else remember Eddie Royal's 91-980-5 (10.8 YPC) on 129 targets the year before McDaniels arrived in Denver? Very Amendola-ish, yes?

Although healthy, he was a complete non-factor the following year in McDaniels' first year there. 37-345-0. Who was calling the plays? McDaniels. Who spent a lot of time on the sidelines? Amendola, er, I mean Royal.

As I said earlier in the thread, things change. Dumbly assuming more of the same without understanding the circumstances surrounding 2010 and 2011 is fantasy death. I understand all the Amendola dyno owners want to remain in denial about this, but all the wishing in the world won't change things. Assuming the big drop off can't happen to Amendola is no different than assuming it couldn't happen to Royal. Bradford has a year of experience now. He will have healthy players who are better playmakers than Danny boy. Shurmer is gone, replaced by McDaniels.

You want big PPR numbers? Figure out who the slot guy will be in Cleveland this year, where Shurmer is now. 12 months from now there may be threads talking about what a PPR monster and great WR Robiskie is. Who knows?
It is interesting to note Eddie Royal, but I think his problem was an inability to adapt to the "hot reads" required in a McDaniels offense. Could that happen to Amendola too? Perhaps but there are certain improvisational (for lack of a better term) skills required in a McDaniels offense, and I would think that a possession, move-the-chains WR like Amendola is probably more likely to make the transition than Royal.
Another factor is the QB position. Bradford is well on his way to being one of the best QBs of all time. I have no reservation in making that statement.Amendola is going to be a gold mine in PPR leagues, IMO.

 
It is interesting to note Eddie Royal, but I think his problem was an inability to adapt to the "hot reads" required in a McDaniels offense. Could that happen to Amendola too? Perhaps but there are certain improvisational (for lack of a better term) skills required in a McDaniels offense, and I would think that a possession, move-the-chains WR like Amendola is probably more likely to make the transition than Royal.
This. I remember reading after McDaniel's first year an interview with (or about) Eddie Royal in which it was discussed that one of the issues Royal had making the transition to a slot role in McDaniel's offense was that he did not have a very high football IQ and struggled at making reads based off the way the defenders were playing him. One of the keys to Welker's game is his ability to read the LB covering him and shift right/left depending on how the defense was initially disguised. Amendola followed Welker at Texas Tech and has said he studied Welker a lot on film in college. It wouldn't surprised me if Amendola continued to study Welker in the NFL and has enough of a football IQ to make a better (how much, who knows?) transition than Royal did.
 
If you think last year was Amendola's ceiling, then I can see the "seat warmer" arguments, but the fact remains that he will have something almost no other receiver on the team is guaranteed: opportunity. Maybe some don't believe in Bradford, but if I had a QB, with possibly Peyton Manning potential, I think I'd want to keep his safety valve around rather than having him throw to a rookie TE and 2 rookie WRs (3rd and 4th round WRs, to boot).
I do think we've seen Amendola's ceiling. This doesn't mean he can't be useful to your Fantasy team this season but I have seen enough of what he brings to the table to recognize his limitations pretty clearly. If I can so did the Rams. I also think Bradford a top QB in the making. Amendola was also a practice squad player claimed from the Cowboys, so I don't put too much on the fact Pettis/Salas were not high picks. There was a big drop in # 1 WR after Little and Baldwin and the Rams had other needs as a higher priority before WR. There is plenty opportunity for all of them there for different reasons.
I do. No way they rely on 8 yards per catch so much if they had healthy WR's all season. Is Amendola keeping the seat warm for Salas? Maybe. Salas has to show he can do it. A 4th round draft slot gets him a cup of coffee in the league. He has to do something with it. That being said, Amendola needs to do something once he catches the ball or he's going to be waiting for an injury to get back on the field.

Salas will be given a chance to compete. If he fails, Amendola is the guy for another year in that role, but if he has a similar YAC, we'll be having this same debate next year after the draft with another rookie WR drafted to take his role...

 
Another factor is the QB position. Bradford is well on his way to being one of the best QBs of all time. I have no reservation in making that statement.
I actually agree here.
Amendola is going to be a gold mine in PPR leagues, IMO.
I agree there's a gold mine, I just don't know if it has the word Amendola Etched in the wood over the entrance. It might this year. But next year it could have Salas or the rook they grab in 2012 if Salas doesn't pan out and Amendola doesn't improve that YAC.
 
Another factor is the QB position. Bradford is well on his way to being one of the best QBs of all time. I have no reservation in making that statement.
I actually agree here.
Amendola is going to be a gold mine in PPR leagues, IMO.
I agree there's a gold mine, I just don't know if it has the word Amendola Etched in the wood over the entrance. It might this year. But next year it could have Salas or the rook they grab in 2012 if Salas doesn't pan out and Amendola doesn't improve that YAC.
I agree with his first statement too, which is why he's not going to settle for getting the ball to Amendola 80 times again. Danario's knee appears to be OK, Clayton and Avery are back, there's a new pass catching TE in the mix, and a couple of rookie WRs with promise.Most importantly, Bradford has a year under his belt and history generally shows that a QB makes a big leap between years one and two. If Bradford is getting it, and I am pretty sure hie will be, he'll see the whole field a lot better and won't rely on dump offs to Amendola as a security blanket like he had to last year. Shurmer game planned for an inexperienced rookie. McDaniels will game plan for a quality QB that now has playmakers and will be ready to get it to them.
 
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Another factor is the QB position. Bradford is well on his way to being one of the best QBs of all time. I have no reservation in making that statement.
I actually agree here.
Amendola is going to be a gold mine in PPR leagues, IMO.
I agree there's a gold mine, I just don't know if it has the word Amendola Etched in the wood over the entrance. It might this year. But next year it could have Salas or the rook they grab in 2012 if Salas doesn't pan out and Amendola doesn't improve that YAC.
I agree with his first statement too, which is why he's not going to settle for getting the ball to Amendola 80 times again. Danario's knee appears to be OK, Clayton and Avery are back, there's a new pass catching TE in the mix, and a couple of rookie WRs with promise.Most importantly, Bradford has a year under his belt and history generally shows that a QB makes a big leap between years one and two. If Bradford is getting it, and I am pretty sure hie will be, he'll see the whole field a lot better and won't rely on dump offs to Amendola as a security blanket like he had to last year. Shurmer game planned for an inexperienced rookie. McDaniels will game plan for a quality QB that now has playmakers and will be ready to get it to them.
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Another factor is the QB position. Bradford is well on his way to being one of the best QBs of all time. I have no reservation in making that statement.

Amendola is going to be a gold mine in PPR leagues, IMO.
Wow. Already saying he is well on his way to being one of the best of all time seems a bit rash to me. He was a very impressive rookie, but I would prefer to at least see a player show he is one of the best of his own time before we start going down that road. The Bradford hype is getting pretty crazy.
 
I actually liked Amendola as a decent little player, so I have him in a couple leagues. Reading this thread has made me realize there are definitely some people that like him more than me.

So, to avoid derailing this thread I asked a question in the AC what one might consider his trade value at. If anyone has something to comment on that here it is:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=593257

 

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