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An intrigued Jeff Garcia loves Bears' setup! (1 Viewer)

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This has been somewhat discussed in other threads but I didn't see a thread specifically for this ... sorry if Honda.

per Chicago Sun Times: http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/be...-bear08.article

The Bears might not be looking for a quarterback, but after Rex Grossman's fourth-quarter struggles in the Super Bowl, there are some quarterbacks who are looking at them.

The Eagles' Jeff Garcia, who turns 37 this month, is expected to be the top quarterback on the free-agent market when shopping begins March 2. He told the Philadelphia Daily News this week that the Bears would be an intriguing situation.

''That's a team that is really well put together defensively and offensively,'' Garcia told the newspaper. ''That is a situation where you have to be honest with yourself and take a look at it. I'm not going to lie. That would be a situation that would make me think about certain things. Whether that happens or not, we'll have to see.''

Garcia rescued a fading career when he replaced the injured Donovan McNabb midway through the 2006 season and led the Eagles on a five-game winning streak to win the NFC East and a divisional-round playoff game. He threw for 1,309 yards and passed for 10 touchdowns with only two interceptions.

He's one of the more mobile quarterbacks in the league, which means he's capable of getting the job done when a play breaks down on third down. The Bears were 3-for-10 on third down in their Super Bowl loss to Indianapolis and ranked 22nd in that category during the regular season. Grossman was 26th in third-down passing efficiency.

The Bears have publicly backed Grossman since the fourth-quarter meltdown in Miami. But they will take an overview look at the quarterback spot, as they do all positions in postseason evaluations. The timetable for such meetings has been delayed by the Super Bowl run, and coaches are off until next Thursday. Then they have only a few days at Halas Hall before heading to Indianapolis for the scouting combine. Decisions need to be made quickly, and the organization needs to decide whether Grossman, who's entering the final year of his contract, can develop into a franchise passer.

''Rex is a hell of a player, and he did a lot of good things this season,'' offensive coordinator Ron Turner said. ''He had, obviously, a few games that weren't real good, and he's taken a lot of abuse over those games, but he's a very good football player, and he took us pretty far.

''The next step is definitely consistency, and not just with Rex, with our entire offense.''

Money would be a factor in any quarterback change. After playing on a one-year deal for the veteran minimum, Garcia will be seeking a big payday. And the free-agent market will be slim because the major jump in the salary cap over the last two seasons allows most clubs to re-sign their players. Grossman has one year left on his contract.

One player who could get some free-agent balls rolling is Denver's Jake Plummer, whom the Bears pursued in 2003. He looked like a lock to sign with the Broncos but thought enough of the Bears to make a trip to Lake Forest. When the Bears didn't land him, they signed Kordell Stewart. Plummer has been supplanted in Denver by Jay Cutler.

If Plummer is released, the Houston Texans are expected to bid for him. Texans coach Gary Kubiak was the offensive coordinator in Denver when Plummer signed there. That could lead Houston to put former No. 1 pick David Carr on the market.

Carr signed a three-year extension with the Texans last year, but owner Bob McNair refused to commit to Carr this week when speaking with reporters. Carr never has had the support of a strong offensive line and has been sacked more than any quarterback since entering the league in 2002. He was Bernard Berrian's quarterback at Fresno State.

One league source said it's unlikely the Texans would dump Carr, given that they passed on local hero Vince Young in last year's draft. That error was made under former general manager Charley Casserly, who chose defensive end Mario Williams instead of Reggie Bush or Young.

Matt Schaub is set to be a restricted free agent in Atlanta. The Bears liked him when he entered the 2004 draft, but they're not in need of a developmental guy.

Before the Bears figure out if there is a move worth making externally, they have to get a handle on what to do internally. Grossman is 19-8 as a starter, including the playoffs. He's been good enough to spark rampant optimism at times and bad enough to be booed at the Super Bowl.

Brian Griese had to think he was going to get a shot to play after coming to the Bears last March in a five-year, $14 million deal worth considerably more when factoring in playing-time escalators. And then there's Kyle Orton, the forgotten fourth-round pick who was 10-5 as a rookie starter in 2005. The public stance all season was that Grossman was the guy, even though Griese got half the reps in practice after Grossman struggled in a Dec. 3 game against Minnesota.

If the Bears don't open up the position for competition, there will be a predictable public backlash. But you don't see general manager Jerry Angelo abandon his draft picks often.

At least decisions will be made quickly. They have to be. It's the hand you're dealt when you reach the Super Bowl and finish runner-up.
Jeff Garcia?

Jake Plummer?

David Carr?

There's several other options out there as well ... I think the Bears need to seriously consider going a different direction at the QB position with all the other options out there ...

IMO, Garcia would be a good fit. Thoughts? :D

 
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I would like to see if the Bears could get a deal done for Carr and then have open competition between Carr and Rex in camp. I honestly think that would be the best case senario.

I honestly doubt that the Bears will make a move, though.

 
watching "mike & mike" this morning, they touched on this topic. the bears have grossman in the last year of his contract. griese signed a contract just last year for 5/$14 million. how in the hell can they afford to pay garcia and keep both those guys? yes, they are well under the cap going into the off season ($23 million) but they can't tie up that kind of money in an "open competition", which is the only way this could be handled gracefully.

i have to think that they'll take a chance on rex, again, as he is now in a contract year. if he stinks then they will give griese the reins. you have to think that griese will be pressured to improve every bit too.

 
IMO, Garcia would be a good fit. Thoughts? :thumbup:
Very good fit, but the Berrian bombs will be a thing of the past.
That is the ONLY thing that worries me about not having Grossman as the QB ... I love seeing him heave it deep when Berrian comes down with it. Problem is, he pretty much just heaves it deep and prays that Berrian comes down with it - it's really not that accurate.I didn't see many Philly games this yr, but I saw some highlights of Garcia throwing deep to Stallworth. How is his deep ball?
 
I think, as a Bears fan, you have to hope Grossman takes the next step in his devlopment next year. Hopefully his expierence will help to improve his reads and pocket awareness. It's not an impossibly for him to improve. In fact, more likely than not he'll be better next year than he was this year. How much better is yet to be seen.

 
I think, as a Bears fan, you have to hope Grossman takes the next step in his devlopment next year. Hopefully his expierence will help to improve his reads and pocket awareness. It's not an impossibly for him to improve. In fact, more likely than not he'll be better next year than he was this year. How much better is yet to be seen.
That's all that needs to be said. Amazingly, Rex just completed his first injury-free season. So he still has some upside potential to be seen.
 
IMO, Garcia would be a good fit. Thoughts? :bye:
Very good fit, but the Berrian bombs will be a thing of the past.
That is the ONLY thing that worries me about not having Grossman as the QB ... I love seeing him heave it deep when Berrian comes down with it. Problem is, he pretty much just heaves it deep and prays that Berrian comes down with it - it's really not that accurate.I didn't see many Philly games this yr, but I saw some highlights of Garcia throwing deep to Stallworth. How is his deep ball?
He can get it 40 yards downfield in the air, but the beauty of the Berrian bomb was that Rex outthrew the D and Berrian just ran underneath it (unlike in the Super Bowl, when Rex threw a ball more like what Garcia would throw, and Sanders intercepted it).
 
IMO, Garcia would be a good fit. Thoughts? :shrug:
Very good fit, but the Berrian bombs will be a thing of the past.
I might be naive about the Bears offense, but I thought they were more of a power running offense with a deep ball thrown in, not a WCO with a strong short passing game? Please clarify.
Just because Garcia flourished in a WCO doesnt mean that he can only flourish in a WCO. What would make him a good fit is that he makes he's a safe/high percentage QB - making few mistakes, while still keeping the offense moving. His quick reads and delivery will unlock more of Mumu's potential, and he can hit good RAC guys like Bradley and Davis in stride. I like the pairing.
 
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I didn't see many Philly games this yr, but I saw some highlights of Garcia throwing deep to Stallworth. How is his deep ball?

It's not necessarily the deep ball that separates strong armed QBs from the others. It is the out pattern and that is where Garcia and Pennington have trouble. Garcia doesn't have enough zip on it when the receiver runs 15 yds and out. That is a tough throw. Garcia is a heady QB, can scramble/run, and improvises well. Those are his strong points.

 
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It's a negotiating tactic. Free agents often talk about what's attractive about playing for other teams.

 
IMO, Garcia would be a good fit. Thoughts? :thumbup:
Very good fit, but the Berrian bombs will be a thing of the past.
that's all you really had with Rex.
Not true. Wasn't Grossman utilizing Clark alot in the passing game at the beginning of the season? It seemed more to me like Grossman would get a little cocky with his early success, then proceed to make boneheaded, ill-advised passes to test the defense. I think if Grossman goes back to playing smart and using ALL of his weapons and taking what the defense gives him, he will be ok. He just needs to play smarter. Work the middle of the field and pound the rock, then take your shots deep down the field.
 
IMO, Garcia would be a good fit. Thoughts? :hot:
Very good fit, but the Berrian bombs will be a thing of the past.
that's all you really had with Rex.
Not true. Wasn't Grossman utilizing Clark alot in the passing game at the beginning of the season? It seemed more to me like Grossman would get a little cocky with his early success, then proceed to make boneheaded, ill-advised passes to test the defense. I think if Grossman goes back to playing smart and using ALL of his weapons and taking what the defense gives him, he will be ok. He just needs to play smarter. Work the middle of the field and pound the rock, then take your shots deep down the field.
Rex? Play smart? The dude seems to have no ability to create once the play as called isnt there, and even worse, little to no pocket presence and instincts. Im afraid that what we saw from Rex this year is pretty much what we're going to get. Great when you have a defense on their heels, ok to barely adequate in close games, and horror-movie bad against good defenses that are playing aggressively.
 
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IMO, Garcia would be a good fit. Thoughts? :o
Very good fit, but the Berrian bombs will be a thing of the past.
that's all you really had with Rex.
Not true. Wasn't Grossman utilizing Clark alot in the passing game at the beginning of the season? It seemed more to me like Grossman would get a little cocky with his early success, then proceed to make boneheaded, ill-advised passes to test the defense. I think if Grossman goes back to playing smart and using ALL of his weapons and taking what the defense gives him, he will be ok. He just needs to play smarter. Work the middle of the field and pound the rock, then take your shots deep down the field.
Rex? Play smart? The dude seems to have no ability to create once the play as called isnt there, and even worse, little to no pocket presence and instincts. Im afraid that what we saw from Rex this year is pretty much what we're going to get. Great when you have a defense on their heels, ok to barely adequate in close games, and horror-movie bad against good defenses that are playing aggressively.
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IMO, Garcia would be a good fit. Thoughts? :thumbup:
Very good fit, but the Berrian bombs will be a thing of the past.
that's all you really had with Rex.
Not true. Wasn't Grossman utilizing Clark alot in the passing game at the beginning of the season? It seemed more to me like Grossman would get a little cocky with his early success, then proceed to make boneheaded, ill-advised passes to test the defense. I think if Grossman goes back to playing smart and using ALL of his weapons and taking what the defense gives him, he will be ok. He just needs to play smarter. Work the middle of the field and pound the rock, then take your shots deep down the field.
Rex? Play smart? The dude seems to have no ability to create once the play as called isnt there, and even worse, little to no pocket presence and instincts. Im afraid that what we saw from Rex this year is pretty much what we're going to get. Great when you have a defense on their heels, ok to barely adequate in close games, and horror-movie bad against good defenses that are playing aggressively.
Isn't this true of about 90+% of quartbacks starting their first full season?
 
Rex? Play smart? The dude seems to have no ability to create once the play as called isnt there, and even worse, little to no pocket presence and instincts. Im afraid that what we saw from Rex this year is pretty much what we're going to get. Great when you have a defense on their heels, ok to barely adequate in close games, and horror-movie bad against good defenses that are playing aggressively.
:thumbup: I have been patient with Rex, and tried to believe in him as well, but at this point, I am in agreement with Sig. I seriously don't think he has what it takes to give the Bears what they need. I do not believe he showed any improvement as the year went on, and don't see why it will change drastically next season. They don't need a gunslinger - they need higher percentage, intelligent QB that will make smart plays.Besides, the window of time to get a SuperBowl win is generally quite small (who knows - it may already be shut for the Bears). And if anyone expects it to remain open for several years, then the Bears need a good QB to step in now. Now is not the time to try and develop Rex Grossman, and we all know he needs it.
 
IMO, Garcia would be a good fit. Thoughts? :thumbup:
Very good fit, but the Berrian bombs will be a thing of the past.
I might be naive about the Bears offense, but I thought they were more of a power running offense with a deep ball thrown in, not a WCO with a strong short passing game? Please clarify.
Just because Garcia flourished in a WCO doesnt mean that he can only flourish in a WCO. What would make him a good fit is that he makes he's a safe/high percentage QB - making few mistakes, while still keeping the offense moving. His quick reads and delivery will unlock more of Mumu's potential, and he can hit good RAC guys like Bradley and Davis in stride. I like the pairing.
How easily some people forget. Garcia has played well in SF and Philly while running the WCO with a dominant player, TO in SF and Westbrook in Philly. In Det, he was given an opportunity in a WCO and was horrible. Cle didnt run the WCO and he was horrible there as well. Garcia has only ever shown the ability to run a WCO, which the Bears dont, when he has a dominant player to take the pressure off of him, which the Bears don't have.Frankly, Grossman fits their offense fairly well. He just needs to minimize mistakes and sometimes just take what hte defense gives him. In alot of ways he's like Brett Favre.
 
IMO, Garcia would be a good fit. Thoughts? :thumbup:
Very good fit, but the Berrian bombs will be a thing of the past.
that's all you really had with Rex.
Not true. Wasn't Grossman utilizing Clark alot in the passing game at the beginning of the season? It seemed more to me like Grossman would get a little cocky with his early success, then proceed to make boneheaded, ill-advised passes to test the defense. I think if Grossman goes back to playing smart and using ALL of his weapons and taking what the defense gives him, he will be ok. He just needs to play smarter. Work the middle of the field and pound the rock, then take your shots deep down the field.
Rex? Play smart? The dude seems to have no ability to create once the play as called isnt there, and even worse, little to no pocket presence and instincts. Im afraid that what we saw from Rex this year is pretty much what we're going to get. Great when you have a defense on their heels, ok to barely adequate in close games, and horror-movie bad against good defenses that are playing aggressively.
Isn't this true of about 90+% of quartbacks starting their first full season?
Not really, but Rex doesn't deserve that pass anyway. He should have been maturing mentally even while he wasn't playing in 2003-2005 because of injuries. Maybe I would have given Rex that pass if he did it earlier in the year, and then seemed to learn from his mistakes as the year went on. He didn't. Rex has an NFL arm, and when the offense is humming, he's humming, but as gferrell pointed out, that kind of QB doesn't really improve the Bears chances to win the SB - a smart game manager does.
 
The game just seems like its way too fast for Rex. He has no pocket presence. He looks afraid to run the ball (perhaps because of his injuries). This leads to fumbles, interceptions, and terrible decisions. He did not improve as the season went on. This scares me the most. Do Bear fans really want to wait around for him to correct all of this when we could start a seasoned veteran in his place? If you think the Bears will be on top for long, you're crazy.

 
I agree with the extension to Griese that signing Garcia long term is a bad mistake. I do think a one year deal to cover for Rex and make another playoff run would be in the Bears best interest. Griese is still up and coming in my opinion, but in a few years he may prove to be a bust. In either case, Grossman is just lousy and something needs to be done if Chicago wants to compete next year.

 
IMO, Garcia would be a good fit. Thoughts? :goodposting:
Very good fit, but the Berrian bombs will be a thing of the past.
I might be naive about the Bears offense, but I thought they were more of a power running offense with a deep ball thrown in, not a WCO with a strong short passing game? Please clarify.
Just because Garcia flourished in a WCO doesnt mean that he can only flourish in a WCO. What would make him a good fit is that he makes he's a safe/high percentage QB - making few mistakes, while still keeping the offense moving. His quick reads and delivery will unlock more of Mumu's potential, and he can hit good RAC guys like Bradley and Davis in stride. I like the pairing.
I agree! That pairing scares the beegeesus out of me as a Colts fan! Any QB that can protect the ball playing for the Bears is a better option than TrainRex.
 
IMO, Garcia would be a good fit. Thoughts? :cry:
Very good fit, but the Berrian bombs will be a thing of the past.
I might be naive about the Bears offense, but I thought they were more of a power running offense with a deep ball thrown in, not a WCO with a strong short passing game? Please clarify.
Just because Garcia flourished in a WCO doesnt mean that he can only flourish in a WCO. What would make him a good fit is that he makes he's a safe/high percentage QB - making few mistakes, while still keeping the offense moving. His quick reads and delivery will unlock more of Mumu's potential, and he can hit good RAC guys like Bradley and Davis in stride. I like the pairing.
How easily some people forget. Garcia has played well in SF and Philly while running the WCO with a dominant player, TO in SF and Westbrook in Philly. In Det, he was given an opportunity in a WCO and was horrible. Cle didnt run the WCO and he was horrible there as well. Garcia has only ever shown the ability to run a WCO, which the Bears dont, when he has a dominant player to take the pressure off of him, which the Bears don't have.Frankly, Grossman fits their offense fairly well. He just needs to minimize mistakes and sometimes just take what hte defense gives him. In alot of ways he's like Brett Favre.
I have no idea what happened to Garcia in DET and CLE. To be honest, in hindsight, he just didnt seem nearly as sharp and motivated as he did in Philly. I understand he does best in a WCO, but his WCO skills (mobility, quick release/reads, accuracy) can work fine in a vanilla offense. I wouldnt rule out him working in a ball control offense just because he failed in DET and CLE. I mean even Joey ####### Harrington improved when he got out of DET.
 
IMO, Garcia would be a good fit. Thoughts? :cry:
Very good fit, but the Berrian bombs will be a thing of the past.
I might be naive about the Bears offense, but I thought they were more of a power running offense with a deep ball thrown in, not a WCO with a strong short passing game? Please clarify.
Just because Garcia flourished in a WCO doesnt mean that he can only flourish in a WCO. What would make him a good fit is that he makes he's a safe/high percentage QB - making few mistakes, while still keeping the offense moving. His quick reads and delivery will unlock more of Mumu's potential, and he can hit good RAC guys like Bradley and Davis in stride. I like the pairing.
How easily some people forget. Garcia has played well in SF and Philly while running the WCO with a dominant player, TO in SF and Westbrook in Philly. In Det, he was given an opportunity in a WCO and was horrible. Cle didnt run the WCO and he was horrible there as well. Garcia has only ever shown the ability to run a WCO, which the Bears dont, when he has a dominant player to take the pressure off of him, which the Bears don't have.Frankly, Grossman fits their offense fairly well. He just needs to minimize mistakes and sometimes just take what hte defense gives him. In alot of ways he's like Brett Favre.
Yeah, he's Favre without the talent, arm, football instincts, pocket presense and durability. Other than that they are twins. I think the situation in Clev/Detroit is far different than Chicago. In Chicago he can step into a situation built to succeed (great field position from defense/ST, good defense, decent offensive talent, good line) whereas Clev/Detroit are/were pretty much the opposite (little talent on either side of the ball, terrible lines, etc.). Look at both those teams in the years since he's left, nothing has changed. It's not the player IMO as much as it is the horrible situation in those two cities.
 
IMO, Garcia would be a good fit. Thoughts? :thumbup:
Very good fit, but the Berrian bombs will be a thing of the past.
that's all you really had with Rex.
Not true. Wasn't Grossman utilizing Clark alot in the passing game at the beginning of the season? It seemed more to me like Grossman would get a little cocky with his early success, then proceed to make boneheaded, ill-advised passes to test the defense. I think if Grossman goes back to playing smart and using ALL of his weapons and taking what the defense gives him, he will be ok. He just needs to play smarter. Work the middle of the field and pound the rock, then take your shots deep down the field.
Rex? Play smart? The dude seems to have no ability to create once the play as called isnt there, and even worse, little to no pocket presence and instincts. Im afraid that what we saw from Rex this year is pretty much what we're going to get. Great when you have a defense on their heels, ok to barely adequate in close games, and horror-movie bad against good defenses that are playing aggressively.
Isn't this true of about 90+% of quartbacks starting their first full season?
Not really, but Rex doesn't deserve that pass anyway. He should have been maturing mentally even while he wasn't playing in 2003-2005 because of injuries. Maybe I would have given Rex that pass if he did it earlier in the year, and then seemed to learn from his mistakes as the year went on. He didn't. Rex has an NFL arm, and when the offense is humming, he's humming, but as gferrell pointed out, that kind of QB doesn't really improve the Bears chances to win the SB - a smart game manager does.
Not really? You must be kidding. Rex obviously has some problems, but I think it's a little harsh to say that it's impossible for him to improve. Quarterbacks typically need a couple of years to devlop. I think by the second year one can make a decision if what you see is what you get. Romo and Rivers didn't exactly show improvement as the season went on (Note: Not comparing the overall play of Grossman Rivers and Romo.)I understand that get's more heat because he's on a team that is contending for Superbowls. I also think that if Rex had a similar season statistically on a team like the Browns people would be more realistic and more positive about his long term prospects. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think so.As a Bears fan, I'd much rather the Bears make a move for a guy like Carr, that an old retread like Garica. Carr at least has the chance to improve, Garcia is much more likely to regress and continue to regress as time goes on.However, what is actually going to happen, is the Bears are going to start the season with Grossman and by mid-year (obviously depending on their record), if he hasn't shown improvement, they will likely make the swich to Griese. I really doubt the Bears are going to add more quarterbacks to the roster. I think that is probably a pipe dream.
 
IMO, Garcia would be a good fit. Thoughts? :lmao:
Very good fit, but the Berrian bombs will be a thing of the past.
that's all you really had with Rex.
Not true. Wasn't Grossman utilizing Clark alot in the passing game at the beginning of the season? It seemed more to me like Grossman would get a little cocky with his early success, then proceed to make boneheaded, ill-advised passes to test the defense. I think if Grossman goes back to playing smart and using ALL of his weapons and taking what the defense gives him, he will be ok. He just needs to play smarter. Work the middle of the field and pound the rock, then take your shots deep down the field.
Rex? Play smart? The dude seems to have no ability to create once the play as called isnt there, and even worse, little to no pocket presence and instincts. Im afraid that what we saw from Rex this year is pretty much what we're going to get. Great when you have a defense on their heels, ok to barely adequate in close games, and horror-movie bad against good defenses that are playing aggressively.
Isn't this true of about 90+% of quartbacks starting their first full season?
Not really, but Rex doesn't deserve that pass anyway. He should have been maturing mentally even while he wasn't playing in 2003-2005 because of injuries. Maybe I would have given Rex that pass if he did it earlier in the year, and then seemed to learn from his mistakes as the year went on. He didn't. Rex has an NFL arm, and when the offense is humming, he's humming, but as gferrell pointed out, that kind of QB doesn't really improve the Bears chances to win the SB - a smart game manager does.
Not really? You must be kidding.
look at this year's rooks - Leinart, Young, Cutler. None of them consistently folded under pressure the way Rex did. Maybe they made mistakes, but they were trying to rise to the challenge instead of wilting under the heat.
 
Yeah, he's Favre without the talent, arm, football instincts, pocket presense and durability. Other than that they are twins.
What was your scouting report on Favre after his second season starting?
There's a big difference between Favre and Grossman, stop comparing them. Favre made mistakes but he was always QBing POSITIVELY - trying to make good things happen - maybe miscalculating, but always with his head in the game. Grossman folds under pressure (when he feels it before it devours him) - you can see that his mind goes on tilt. You root for him to just get sacked because when he throws the ball, worse things happen. Grossman can't handle being in the crossfire. I don't think it's fixable, except maybe by a sports psychologist.
 
IMO, Garcia would be a good fit. Thoughts? :goodposting:
Very good fit, but the Berrian bombs will be a thing of the past.
that's all you really had with Rex.
Not true. Wasn't Grossman utilizing Clark alot in the passing game at the beginning of the season? It seemed more to me like Grossman would get a little cocky with his early success, then proceed to make boneheaded, ill-advised passes to test the defense. I think if Grossman goes back to playing smart and using ALL of his weapons and taking what the defense gives him, he will be ok. He just needs to play smarter. Work the middle of the field and pound the rock, then take your shots deep down the field.
Rex? Play smart? The dude seems to have no ability to create once the play as called isnt there, and even worse, little to no pocket presence and instincts. Im afraid that what we saw from Rex this year is pretty much what we're going to get. Great when you have a defense on their heels, ok to barely adequate in close games, and horror-movie bad against good defenses that are playing aggressively.
Isn't this true of about 90+% of quartbacks starting their first full season?
Not really, but Rex doesn't deserve that pass anyway. He should have been maturing mentally even while he wasn't playing in 2003-2005 because of injuries. Maybe I would have given Rex that pass if he did it earlier in the year, and then seemed to learn from his mistakes as the year went on. He didn't. Rex has an NFL arm, and when the offense is humming, he's humming, but as gferrell pointed out, that kind of QB doesn't really improve the Bears chances to win the SB - a smart game manager does.
Not really? You must be kidding.
look at this year's rooks - Leinart, Young, Cutler. None of them consistently folded under pressure the way Rex did. Maybe they made mistakes, but they were trying to rise to the challenge instead of wilting under the heat.
He didn't wilt under the pressure in the Seahawks game. In fact his was instrumental in winning the first playoff game the Bears have won in quite some time. It's not like this guy can't make plays.Whatever, I understand that not everyone is going to have the same opinions when it comes to QB prospects, but generally speaking I don't think Grossman really gets a fair shake. Maybe he'll bomb next year, but he was bad a lot of this year, and the Bears still went to the Superbowl. If he gets any better, which I think is possible, they could be in good shape. If he does bomb, throw in Griese, he'll probably do about the same as Garcia would, as he's already on the roster.
 
He didn't wilt under the pressure in the Seahawks game. In fact his was instrumental in winning the first playoff game the Bears have won in quite some time. It's not like this guy can't make plays.Whatever, I understand that not everyone is going to have the same opinions when it comes to QB prospects, but generally speaking I don't think Grossman really gets a fair shake. Maybe he'll bomb next year, but he was bad a lot of this year, and the Bears still went to the Superbowl. If he gets any better, which I think is possible, they could be in good shape. If he does bomb, throw in Griese, he'll probably do about the same as Garcia would, as he's already on the roster.
Youre right, I should give him credit for that game. He was one of the reasons they won. It is something to hang your hat on if you are a Grossman defender. Obviously, Im not, and I downplayed it by not including it. Good call.
 
Yeah, he's Favre without the talent, arm, football instincts, pocket presense and durability. Other than that they are twins.
What was your scouting report on Favre after his second season starting?
There's a big difference between Favre and Grossman, stop comparing them. Favre made mistakes but he was always QBing POSITIVELY - trying to make good things happen - maybe miscalculating, but always with his head in the game. Grossman folds under pressure (when he feels it before it devours him) - you can see that his mind goes on tilt. You root for him to just get sacked because when he throws the ball, worse things happen. Grossman can't handle being in the crossfire. I don't think it's fixable, except maybe by a sports psychologist.
I'm not comparing them. I just doubt he'd have the same impression of Favre after his first two years as he does now. Farve regressed a lot in his second year before breaking out in his third. I doubt people thought much of Favre after his second year.The second part is conjecture so I'm not going to address it.
 
IMO, Garcia would be a good fit. Thoughts? :unsure:
Very good fit, but the Berrian bombs will be a thing of the past.
I might be naive about the Bears offense, but I thought they were more of a power running offense with a deep ball thrown in, not a WCO with a strong short passing game? Please clarify.
Just because Garcia flourished in a WCO doesnt mean that he can only flourish in a WCO. What would make him a good fit is that he makes he's a safe/high percentage QB - making few mistakes, while still keeping the offense moving. His quick reads and delivery will unlock more of Mumu's potential, and he can hit good RAC guys like Bradley and Davis in stride. I like the pairing.
How easily some people forget. Garcia has played well in SF and Philly while running the WCO with a dominant player, TO in SF and Westbrook in Philly. In Det, he was given an opportunity in a WCO and was horrible. Cle didnt run the WCO and he was horrible there as well. Garcia has only ever shown the ability to run a WCO, which the Bears dont, when he has a dominant player to take the pressure off of him, which the Bears don't have.Frankly, Grossman fits their offense fairly well. He just needs to minimize mistakes and sometimes just take what hte defense gives him. In alot of ways he's like Brett Favre.
I have no idea what happened to Garcia in DET and CLE. To be honest, in hindsight, he just didnt seem nearly as sharp and motivated as he did in Philly. I understand he does best in a WCO, but his WCO skills (mobility, quick release/reads, accuracy) can work fine in a vanilla offense. I wouldnt rule out him working in a ball control offense just because he failed in DET and CLE. I mean even Joey ####### Harrington improved when he got out of DET.
I'm with dparker on this one. I think everybody's getting caught up in a few good games Garcia just had in a system ideally suited to his strengths. He was god-awful in Detroit & Cleveland, and at 38 years old I don't think Chicago is any better of a fit. I think if given a real chance, Griese would be a better option there than Garcia...though they really ought to be concentrating on the Garrard/Leftwich loser as their Rex competition.Do you honestly believe Joey Harrington improved this season? He was basically the same QB he was in Detroit, and he ended up giving the team so little that they had to turn to Cleo Lemon to close out the season. It's time to bury Harrington.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Oh...and in very few ways is Rex Grossman like Brett Favre. He sometimes throws off his back foot, and he throws a pretty good deep ball. How else? Favre has had one of the better pocket presence's you'll ever see. Rex one of the worst. Favre has been a heady QB most of his career (his bonehead plays, in addition to being severly overblown by most fans, come from gambling rather than poor football IQ), Grossman has been an absolute dolt and basketcase for almost half his games. Favre has been the most durable QB of all time, Grossman extremely brittle. In his prime Favre was one of the most accurate QBs in the NFL. Grossman is one of the most inaccurate QBs in the NFL. Favre was very mobile in his 20s, Grossman is not. You could say that Brett Favre is the NFL's idiot savant of quarterbacks whereas Grossman is just an idiot.
 
He didn't wilt under the pressure in the Seahawks game. In fact his was instrumental in winning the first playoff game the Bears have won in quite some time. It's not like this guy can't make plays.Whatever, I understand that not everyone is going to have the same opinions when it comes to QB prospects, but generally speaking I don't think Grossman really gets a fair shake. Maybe he'll bomb next year, but he was bad a lot of this year, and the Bears still went to the Superbowl. If he gets any better, which I think is possible, they could be in good shape. If he does bomb, throw in Griese, he'll probably do about the same as Garcia would, as he's already on the roster.
Youre right, I should give him credit for that game. He was one of the reasons they won. It is something to hang your hat on if you are a Grossman defender. Obviously, Im not, and I downplayed it by not including it. Good call.
As a Bears fan, I'm not really comforable with the QB situation, obviously. But, honestly, I can't really think of a better option than hoping Rex progresses next year. It's not impossible and a lot of QB's have done it. I really don't think bringing in a guy like Garica is the answer, nor do I think the Bears will do it. I'm probably being overly optomistic here (I have my doubts that Grossman will get that much better). Maybe the Eagles will lose their minds and decide to dump McNabb?
 
IMO, Garcia would be a good fit. Thoughts? :unsure:
Very good fit, but the Berrian bombs will be a thing of the past.
I might be naive about the Bears offense, but I thought they were more of a power running offense with a deep ball thrown in, not a WCO with a strong short passing game? Please clarify.
Just because Garcia flourished in a WCO doesnt mean that he can only flourish in a WCO. What would make him a good fit is that he makes he's a safe/high percentage QB - making few mistakes, while still keeping the offense moving. His quick reads and delivery will unlock more of Mumu's potential, and he can hit good RAC guys like Bradley and Davis in stride. I like the pairing.
How easily some people forget. Garcia has played well in SF and Philly while running the WCO with a dominant player, TO in SF and Westbrook in Philly. In Det, he was given an opportunity in a WCO and was horrible. Cle didnt run the WCO and he was horrible there as well. Garcia has only ever shown the ability to run a WCO, which the Bears dont, when he has a dominant player to take the pressure off of him, which the Bears don't have.Frankly, Grossman fits their offense fairly well. He just needs to minimize mistakes and sometimes just take what hte defense gives him. In alot of ways he's like Brett Favre.
I have no idea what happened to Garcia in DET and CLE. To be honest, in hindsight, he just didnt seem nearly as sharp and motivated as he did in Philly. I understand he does best in a WCO, but his WCO skills (mobility, quick release/reads, accuracy) can work fine in a vanilla offense. I wouldnt rule out him working in a ball control offense just because he failed in DET and CLE. I mean even Joey ####### Harrington improved when he got out of DET.
I'm with dparker on this one. I think everybody's getting caught up in a few good games Garcia just had in a system ideally suited to his strengths. He was god-awful in Detroit & Cleveland, and at 38 years old I don't think Chicago is any better of a fit. I think if given a real chance, Griese would be a better option there than Garcia...though they really ought to be concentrating on the Garrard/Leftwich loser as their Rex competition.Do you honestly believe Joey Harrington improved this season? He was basically the same QB he was in Detroit, and he ended up giving the team so little that they had to turn to Cleo Lemon to close out the season. It's time to bury Harrington.
Im a big anti-Harrington guy, and I agree with your assessment (he's still the same crappy QB), but he did actually improve to play decent for Miami for a stretch when they used him the right way. But yes, bury Harrington.
 
IMO, Garcia would be a good fit. Thoughts? :goodposting:
Very good fit, but the Berrian bombs will be a thing of the past.
that's all you really had with Rex.
Not true. Wasn't Grossman utilizing Clark alot in the passing game at the beginning of the season? It seemed more to me like Grossman would get a little cocky with his early success, then proceed to make boneheaded, ill-advised passes to test the defense. I think if Grossman goes back to playing smart and using ALL of his weapons and taking what the defense gives him, he will be ok. He just needs to play smarter. Work the middle of the field and pound the rock, then take your shots deep down the field.
Rex? Play smart? The dude seems to have no ability to create once the play as called isnt there, and even worse, little to no pocket presence and instincts. Im afraid that what we saw from Rex this year is pretty much what we're going to get. Great when you have a defense on their heels, ok to barely adequate in close games, and horror-movie bad against good defenses that are playing aggressively.
In the games where Grossman did well, didn't they get up on their opponent quick? Quick strikes and moving the ball down field? It just seems to me that he used more of his weapons earlier on. Then he all of a sudden forgot what got him that early success. Now that part I can't explain. I agree that watching him in the pocket when a play isn't there or if he gets some pressure is painful to watch. But he did show flashes of ability...kinda like danglin' a piece of cheese in front of a mouse and then pulling it away. I think he can be a servicable QB with a little more work and time. What I've noticed is that he has no touch on his passes. Like someone mentioned he just heaves the ball down the field and hopes Berrian runs underneath it. Even his intermediate throws seem to take forever to get there and the WR's are constantly waiting on the ball, enabling the DB's to close in on it. He needs to get better on his timing routes and get a feel for how his WR's run routes. He needs to learn to throw the ball to the spot where the WR is gonna end up instead of waiting for the WR to be looking at him before he throws.But that's just my analysis. How many great QB's have there been in the league with sub-par arms? Tons. Now I am in no way comparing Grossman to Montana...but Montana didn't have a great arm, but he was a great field presence. Rex is still young and learning. But if he doesn't show improvement next year...it may be time to put him on the bench for a year or two.
 
I'd post more but Bloom has pretty much covered it all - there's just way too much wrong with Grossman to think he'll be a decent NFL qb. The bottom line is Grossman is a dead end for the Bears. If the Bears want to win Championships they have to abandon Grossman. Take the salary hit with him and Greise this year, sign somebody better now and let those two walk at the end of the season - not too painful.

Garcia is a nice stop gap that can do enough for that team to win a Championship or two. When he has a good team around him he does pretty well, when he has a bad (Cleveland and Detroit were/are horrible) team around him he does poorly. The Bears are a very good team, he's a perfect fit for their needs.

It makes so much sense, but as a Charger fan I hope the Bears stick with Grossman. I don't have to worry about them winning any titles with that clown taking snaps.

 
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The Bears would be stupid not to give Grossman a second season under center. :runs away: As a Bears fan, Jeff Garcia would be 10000000X worse than Grossman. I've never seen a young QB ripped as much as Grossman, and yes, this includes Ryan Leaf. He wasn't bad this season, and GM's don't give up on youngsters who throw 23 TD's in their first season under center. The media, and many on this site, seem to think that Grossman has peaked as a QB. While this might be the case, it is far too early to throw Grossman out with the trash. Simply irrational, actually...

 
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Garcia is a nice stop gap that can do enough for that team to win a Championship or two.
This is based on what evidence? His 1-1 playoff performance this year? I guess he could fill the Trent Dilfer role if thats all you want out of your QB.
 
Garcia is a nice stop gap that can do enough for that team to win a Championship or two.
This is based on what evidence? His 1-1 playoff performance this year? I guess he could fill the Trent Dilfer role if thats all you want out of your QB.
This just in - THAT'S ALL THE BEARS NEED TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP.What they don't need is some joker who has no business being an NFL QB destroying whatever chance they have - which is what Grossman is. All the Bears need is someone who isn't capable of going out and turning the ball over 4 times all on his own on any given Sunday. Grossman is the exact opposite of that.

As to Garcia he did great with the Eagles this year, and he did great with the 49ers - that's evidence enough for me, and it should be for any Bears fan as well.

 
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Oh...and in very few ways is Rex Grossman like Brett Favre. He sometimes throws off his back foot, and he throws a pretty good deep ball. How else? Favre has had one of the better pocket presence's you'll ever see. Rex one of the worst. Favre has been a heady QB most of his career (his bonehead plays, in addition to being severly overblown by most fans, come from gambling rather than poor football IQ), Grossman has been an absolute dolt and basketcase for almost half his games. Favre has been the most durable QB of all time, Grossman extremely brittle. In his prime Favre was one of the most accurate QBs in the NFL. Grossman is one of the most inaccurate QBs in the NFL. Favre was very mobile in his 20s, Grossman is not. You could say that Brett Favre is the NFL's idiot savant of quarterbacks whereas Grossman is just an idiot.
Im not comparing Young Brett to Current Rex. Im comparing the 2 right now. All of Brett's football IQ is based on his superhuman talent, which he no longer has as a mere mortal now. So, what once worked, is now a bonehead play. They both seem to have zero hesitation after an interception and will sling it right back down the field into triple coverage. Both are higly erratic and look for the homerun ball far too often, forgoing the easier completion. Both have sloppy mechanics and think their arms are better then they are. Neither can do much to avoid a rush.All of these traits are more or less ingrained in Brett because people still claim he's a top QB in the game, despite the huge number of interceptions he's thrown the past 3 years. On the other hand, it may be possible to break Rex of the worst of his habits and have him improve.As for him always folding under pressure, thats just not true. Late in the season he was under heavy fire and came out and responded by playing well up until the last meaningless game of the season. And in the Saints game, he took over a close game and buried the Saints despite starting off the game poorly. He may not always rise to the occassion, but he's not a complete choke artist. Yes, he's not a rookie, but game study and game experience are two different beasts. To bail on him after waiting on him for 3 years to be healthy enough to get that experience is completely short sided.
 
Yes, he's not a rookie, but game study and game experience are two different beasts. To bail on him after waiting on him for 3 years to be healthy enough to get that experience is completely short sided.
This is fair - they shouldn't outright cut him, or deny him a chance to hold the job in camp. They should have someone in camp that will push him. If they decide that's Griese, that's fine, if not, then Garcia would be a great candidate. We lay into Rex because its maddening that a guy with otherwise good NFL tools seems to go on tilt when he gets knocked around.
 
Garcia is a nice stop gap that can do enough for that team to win a Championship or two.
This is based on what evidence? His 1-1 playoff performance this year? I guess he could fill the Trent Dilfer role if thats all you want out of your QB.
This just in - THAT'S ALL THE BEARS NEED TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP.What they don't need is some joker who has no business being an NFL QB destroying whatever chance they have - which is what Grossman is. All the Bears need is someone who isn't capable of going out and turning the ball over 4 times all on his own on any given Sunday. Grossman is the exact opposite of that.

As to Garcia he did great with the Eagles this year, and he did great with the 49ers - that's evidence enough for me, and it should be for any Bears fan as well.
The Ravens had a dominant running game. The Bears have a mediocre running game, with mediocre receivers, and a medicore line.The Ravens had a dominant defense. The Bears had a dominant defense in the beginning of the year. By the time of the Super Bowl they were physically manhandled.

At some point someone will need to make plays on offense, and sadly Grossman might be their most talented playmaker.

 
The Bears had a dominant defense in the beginning of the year. By the time of the Super Bowl they were physically manhandled.

At some point someone will need to make plays on offense, and sadly Grossman might be their most talented playmaker.
Are we living on the same planet and talking about the same people?The Bears were down 5 at the start of the 4th quarter in the SB - already having lived through several previous Grossman blunders. And then Rex went from suck to blow and the Bears were finished. That was all Rex - 100% pure garbage. They were a non-#### up QB away from winning it all. And the saddest part was anyone with unbiased eyes in their head who'd watched Rex this year knew it was coming.

But you know what, I give up. I know Rex isn't going to make it, if there are Bears :homer:s out there who don't want to see it that's cool. Just don't be surprised when at the end of this run the Bears have 0 championships if Rex is calling signals all that time.

 
Fear & Loathing said:
Oh...and in very few ways is Rex Grossman like Brett Favre. He sometimes throws off his back foot, and he throws a pretty good deep ball. How else? Favre has had one of the better pocket presence's you'll ever see. Rex one of the worst. Favre has been a heady QB most of his career (his bonehead plays, in addition to being severly overblown by most fans, come from gambling rather than poor football IQ), Grossman has been an absolute dolt and basketcase for almost half his games. Favre has been the most durable QB of all time, Grossman extremely brittle. In his prime Favre was one of the most accurate QBs in the NFL. Grossman is one of the most inaccurate QBs in the NFL. Favre was very mobile in his 20s, Grossman is not. You could say that Brett Favre is the NFL's idiot savant of quarterbacks whereas Grossman is just an idiot.
Im not comparing Young Brett to Current Rex. Im comparing the 2 right now. All of Brett's football IQ is based on his superhuman talent, which he no longer has as a mere mortal now. So, what once worked, is now a bonehead play. They both seem to have zero hesitation after an interception and will sling it right back down the field into triple coverage. Both are higly erratic and look for the homerun ball far too often, forgoing the easier completion. Both have sloppy mechanics and think their arms are better then they are. Neither can do much to avoid a rush.All of these traits are more or less ingrained in Brett because people still claim he's a top QB in the game, despite the huge number of interceptions he's thrown the past 3 years. On the other hand, it may be possible to break Rex of the worst of his habits and have him improve.As for him always folding under pressure, thats just not true. Late in the season he was under heavy fire and came out and responded by playing well up until the last meaningless game of the season. And in the Saints game, he took over a close game and buried the Saints despite starting off the game poorly. He may not always rise to the occassion, but he's not a complete choke artist. Yes, he's not a rookie, but game study and game experience are two different beasts. To bail on him after waiting on him for 3 years to be healthy enough to get that experience is completely short sided.
You're way off on Favre's football IQ being based on his superhuman talent. He's shown a very high football IQ and awareness his whole career. The last couple of years, with very poor talent surrounding him on offense, he's gambled and tried to make things happen too often...but he's always been a high IQ football player who has made heads up plays....and still is. It would be interesting to see what kind of season he could throw up with Driver, Moss, Jennings, a legit TE, a running game and an improving O-Line. Rex folded under pressure many times this season -- do you really need me to point them out? He absolutely folded against Arizona and couldn't get it going again. He was awful in a loss to the Patriots. He melted against the Dolphins the whole game. He was atrocious in the 2nd Vikings game. He imploded against the Packers. He folded against the Saints for 3/4 of the game. He absolutely folded in the 2nd half of the Super Bowl. Basically, what you have here is a QB who played well most of the time against weak competition and played so poorly to the point of folding whenever he was challenged by better competition.It's not about bailing on him. It's about realizing that a QB with his strengths & weaknesses is extremely ill-suited for a team set up in every other way to contend for a Super Bowl the next couple of seasons. Right now Grossman is a turnover prone, inconsistent, inaccurate, immature tease. They need a more careful, more consistent, more accurate, more mature, more reliable leader. They need someone they can take to the bank in a big game. That's the opposite of Rex Grossman. And Super Bowl windows are too precious a commodity for a franchise to bank on a roll of the dice like the odds of Grossman's future development.But I agree, the answer is NOT Jeff Garcia. And the fact that he had a few good games in Philly shouldn't be taken as a sign that he is well-suited to be the Bears QB. I wonder how many people were on board the Garcia bandwagon half-way through the season. Or when he was a free agent this past offseason. He was the same QB then as he is now...people just couldn't read the situation well because they continually get caught up in the buzz of the most recent storylines. Evaluate the talent and the environment rather than the hype and the most recent storylines. Funny that Jeff Garcia is all of the sudden "the answer" for contending teams when nobody even concerned themselves with him at this team last season. He's the same QB.
 
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Funny that Jeff Garcia is all of the sudden "the answer" for contending teams when nobody even concerned themselves with him at this team last season. He's the same QB.
Well, um, actually the Eagles concerned themselves with him. Turns out he pretty much was the answer. :blackdot:
 
Funny that Jeff Garcia is all of the sudden "the answer" for contending teams when nobody even concerned themselves with him at this team last season. He's the same QB.
I disagree. he's confident, and he remembered what it was like to be a leader again. I think he's got a good year or two as a starter left in him. No one cared about him coming into last year because he seemed lethargic and over the hill in Detroit and Cleveland.
 
Funny that Jeff Garcia is all of the sudden "the answer" for contending teams when nobody even concerned themselves with him at this team last season. He's the same QB.
I disagree. he's confident, and he remembered what it was like to be a leader again. I think he's got a good year or two as a starter left in him. No one cared about him coming into last year because he seemed lethargic and over the hill in Detroit and Cleveland.
Seems a bit flaky to me. You really think it's a matter of being confident and remembering what it's like to be a leader again?He played with moxie in Philly this year, but his weaknesses were evident in both playoff games. He's tough, he's plucky and he'll battle you to the end. He's also a product of the west coast offense and top notch playmakers. Unfortunately, he can't stretch the field and generate consistent offensive production against playoff caliber defenses. He's a perfect compliment to a west coast offensive team with surrounding talent at the skill positions and trying to gain some measure of respectability at QB to compete on a weekly basis. He's not the answer to put a team over the top against quality defenses daring the QB to beat them in the playoffs. He's a limited QB.
 
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