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This is sort of right up my alley. I've been aware of this since the mid-'90s, when one of my bosses started getting heavily involved with this topic. I used to start topics like these on the main board, before there was a PSF.
At issue are many things, and I don't really feel like having a debate with your average lefty on the board about it because I'll have somebody imply that I was a janitor where I worked and all will be for naught. It's sad, really, because I have a lot of background in this issue and it's not something that gets discussed in polite company, anywhere. There are too many intangibles and people are too wrapped up in their own cultural and political biases to see clearly on the issue.
Looking at facts, test scores, enrollment rates, and other things make it easy to see. Men are falling way behind in obtaining degrees. Leave it at that. Now, when you try and draw conclusions from this or assert that there are causes, look at the grey area you get involved with.
This isn't something to solve on a message board. I'd posit that we not only feminized society, we did so structurally, emotionally, and willfully. This makes it very, very hard to assert anything concrete without it coming off, like somebody pointed out earlier, like an incel arguing about women.
But we know several things are true. Women don't date lower than their own status, which cuts the dating pool for them when men don't attain status. We know that the cognitive elite are pairing off in ways that are actually dangerous to meritocracy. We know that boys are not achieving, outside of STEM, on any level close to women and girls at the collegiate, high school, middle school, or elementary level.
What to do with this has captured the imagination of most Western countries. England, Australia, New Zealand, and other countries that have seen the swell of men on their safety nets and the absence of men both in the home and in the workplace have commissioned government agencies and blue-ribbon panels to deal with the issue.
This isn't a Gekko rant. This is simply somebody reporting on something that's been going on since we Revived Ophelia in the school setting. We basically have a system where it's very difficult to earn a living as a worker with a high school degree, we need workers in the trades but we've farmed them out to other countries, and we import immigrants to do that labor. This is just simple fact.
What to do with it, the assumptions behind it, the causes and shocks of it are another matter entirely.
But we have a men shortage. That this isn't coming from a conservative corner of academia is a good thing. Maybe someone will listen.
At issue are many things, and I don't really feel like having a debate with your average lefty on the board about it because I'll have somebody imply that I was a janitor where I worked and all will be for naught. It's sad, really, because I have a lot of background in this issue and it's not something that gets discussed in polite company, anywhere. There are too many intangibles and people are too wrapped up in their own cultural and political biases to see clearly on the issue.
Looking at facts, test scores, enrollment rates, and other things make it easy to see. Men are falling way behind in obtaining degrees. Leave it at that. Now, when you try and draw conclusions from this or assert that there are causes, look at the grey area you get involved with.
This isn't something to solve on a message board. I'd posit that we not only feminized society, we did so structurally, emotionally, and willfully. This makes it very, very hard to assert anything concrete without it coming off, like somebody pointed out earlier, like an incel arguing about women.
But we know several things are true. Women don't date lower than their own status, which cuts the dating pool for them when men don't attain status. We know that the cognitive elite are pairing off in ways that are actually dangerous to meritocracy. We know that boys are not achieving, outside of STEM, on any level close to women and girls at the collegiate, high school, middle school, or elementary level.
What to do with this has captured the imagination of most Western countries. England, Australia, New Zealand, and other countries that have seen the swell of men on their safety nets and the absence of men both in the home and in the workplace have commissioned government agencies and blue-ribbon panels to deal with the issue.
This isn't a Gekko rant. This is simply somebody reporting on something that's been going on since we Revived Ophelia in the school setting. We basically have a system where it's very difficult to earn a living as a worker with a high school degree, we need workers in the trades but we've farmed them out to other countries, and we import immigrants to do that labor. This is just simple fact.
What to do with it, the assumptions behind it, the causes and shocks of it are another matter entirely.
But we have a men shortage. That this isn't coming from a conservative corner of academia is a good thing. Maybe someone will listen.