Andre Brown (1 Viewer)

[Sugar Huddle]

I'm thinking this guy has a shot to play some this year and then have a much larger role next year...much like the Derek Ward role. I also believe he'd be a better fit to replace Jacobs should he be injured again. I'm interested in hearing what other people think about his chances to make an impact this year and in the future.

 

[lyon812]

Some good back and forth on Brown in this thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...;#entry10312080

 

[PrimUomo]

It all depends on three things:

A) Jacobs being injured;

and more importantly

B) If Bradshaw produces. If Bradshaw plays lights out consistently Brown might get 10% of the carries. If Jacobs gets injured and Bradshaw produces I see Brown getting 40% of the carries.

C) If Brown does really well in training camp/practice, he could see an increase over those predictions.

 

[No. 16]

It all depends on three things:A) Jacobs being injured;and more importantlyB) If Bradshaw produces. If Bradshaw plays lights out consistently Brown might get 10% of the carries. If Jacobs gets injured and Bradshaw produces I see Brown getting 40% of the carries. C) If Brown does really well in training camp/practice, he could see an increase over those predictions.

Only situation you didn't cover is if Bradshaw gets injured.

 

[PrimUomo]

If Bradshaw gets injured, Brown will simply replace his touches.

 

[pantherclub]

I watched Brown for 4 years at NCSU (my alma mater). He is big and likes contact, but his calling card is his 2nd gear after he takes the initial hit. He seems to get faster as the play develops. Not a whole lot of open field moves but I would say he is faster than Jacobs and has a little more stutter step than him. He hits the hole hard but plays really physical so injuries may be a concern.

 

[Tau837]

I watched Brown for 4 years at NCSU (my alma mater). He is big and likes contact, but his calling card is his 2nd gear after he takes the initial hit. He seems to get faster as the play develops. Not a whole lot of open field moves but I would say he is faster than Jacobs and has a little more stutter step than him. He hits the hole hard but plays really physical so injuries may be a concern.

Brown is also a good blocker and an excellent receiver.

 

[No. 16]

If Bradshaw gets injured, Brown will simply replace his touches.

Obviously... it was more a point that you could apply the same arguments to any rookie.

 

[Avery]

It all depends on three things:A) Jacobs being injured;and more importantlyB) If Bradshaw produces. If Bradshaw plays lights out consistently Brown might get 10% of the carries. If Jacobs gets injured and Bradshaw produces I see Brown getting 40% of the carries. C) If Brown does really well in training camp/practice, he could see an increase over those predictions.

Only situation you didn't cover is if Bradshaw gets injured.

It would be a mistake to completely discount Danny Ware from the discussion.

 

[bcr8f]

I watched Brown for 4 years at NCSU (my alma mater). He is big and likes contact, but his calling card is his 2nd gear after he takes the initial hit. He seems to get faster as the play develops. Not a whole lot of open field moves but I would say he is faster than Jacobs and has a little more stutter step than him. He hits the hole hard but plays really physical so injuries may be a concern.

We saw some nice moves at the Senior Bowl. I like this kid.

 

[Yenrub]

I watched Brown for 4 years at NCSU (my alma mater). He is big and likes contact, but his calling card is his 2nd gear after he takes the initial hit. He seems to get faster as the play develops. Not a whole lot of open field moves but I would say he is faster than Jacobs and has a little more stutter step than him. He hits the hole hard but plays really physical so injuries may be a concern.

Brown is also a good blocker and an excellent receiver.

If he can stay healthy (big if) I think he can beat out both Bradshaw and Ware for the #2 role

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I watched Brown for 4 years at NCSU (my alma mater). He is big and likes contact, but his calling card is his 2nd gear after he takes the initial hit. He seems to get faster as the play develops. Not a whole lot of open field moves but I would say he is faster than Jacobs and has a little more stutter step than him. He hits the hole hard but plays really physical so injuries may be a concern.

You see...this is the kind of stuff you only get in the SP...people can knock this place till they're blue in the face but these are the type of posts we all crave. I have a lot of questions about Brown and his impact but it sure is nice to have a local or alma mater fan to get some juice form. Doesn't look like rose colored glasses here either...excellent post PC.

 

[PahtyTom]

Poor mans brandon Jacobs. The giants have a great eye for running back talent.

 

[Giantseasonticketholder]

It all depends on three things:A) Jacobs being injured;and more importantlyB) If Bradshaw produces. If Bradshaw plays lights out consistently Brown might get 10% of the carries. If Jacobs gets injured and Bradshaw produces I see Brown getting 40% of the carries. C) If Brown does really well in training camp/practice, he could see an increase over those predictions.

Only situation you didn't cover is if Bradshaw gets injured.

It would be a mistake to completely discount Danny Ware from the discussion.

Danny Ware could turn some heads this year.

 

[Bob Henry]

I watched Brown for 4 years at NCSU (my alma mater). He is big and likes contact, but his calling card is his 2nd gear after he takes the initial hit. He seems to get faster as the play develops. Not a whole lot of open field moves but I would say he is faster than Jacobs and has a little more stutter step than him. He hits the hole hard but plays really physical so injuries may be a concern.

Great post here. Also consider the Giants added Nicks and Barden in the draft. Both are physical WRs who can block downfield. Not to get ahead of ourselves, but the combination of what you wrote with their intentional drafting of physical WRs who can also be red zone threats, has me thinking that things could fall just right for Mr. Brown. As much as I love what Jacobs does, he is prone to injury due to his style and being a king-sized target. Bradshaw could be a great value, and I won't discount Ware either, but Brown's style meshes well with what the Giants like to do as an offense, so I'm on the optimistic side for Brown both as a rookie and in dynasty terms.

 

[Boone22]

I watched Brown for 4 years at NCSU (my alma mater). He is big and likes contact, but his calling card is his 2nd gear after he takes the initial hit. He seems to get faster as the play develops. Not a whole lot of open field moves but I would say he is faster than Jacobs and has a little more stutter step than him. He hits the hole hard but plays really physical so injuries may be a concern.

Great post here. Also consider the Giants added Nicks and Barden in the draft. Both are physical WRs who can block downfield. Not to get ahead of ourselves, but the combination of what you wrote with their intentional drafting of physical WRs who can also be red zone threats, has me thinking that things could fall just right for Mr. Brown. As much as I love what Jacobs does, he is prone to injury due to his style and being a king-sized target. Bradshaw could be a great value, and I won't discount Ware either, but Brown's style meshes well with what the Giants like to do as an offense, so I'm on the optimistic side for Brown both as a rookie and in dynasty terms.

I'm curious as to why he fell to the 4th round in this draft? Since I don't follow college football closely, I rely a lot on what's said here. From this thread he sounds like he should have been drafted in the 2nd round. Why did he fall? Injury issues? What are his weaknesses other than "Not a whole lot of open field moves" as listed above?

 

[Sugar Huddle]

I watched Brown for 4 years at NCSU (my alma mater). He is big and likes contact, but his calling card is his 2nd gear after he takes the initial hit. He seems to get faster as the play develops. Not a whole lot of open field moves but I would say he is faster than Jacobs and has a little more stutter step than him. He hits the hole hard but plays really physical so injuries may be a concern.

Great post here. Also consider the Giants added Nicks and Barden in the draft. Both are physical WRs who can block downfield. Not to get ahead of ourselves, but the combination of what you wrote with their intentional drafting of physical WRs who can also be red zone threats, has me thinking that things could fall just right for Mr. Brown. As much as I love what Jacobs does, he is prone to injury due to his style and being a king-sized target. Bradshaw could be a great value, and I won't discount Ware either, but Brown's style meshes well with what the Giants like to do as an offense, so I'm on the optimistic side for Brown both as a rookie and in dynasty terms.

I'm curious as to why he fell to the 4th round in this draft? Since I don't follow college football closely, I rely a lot on what's said here. From this thread he sounds like he should have been drafted in the 2nd round. Why did he fall? Injury issues? What are his weaknesses other than "Not a whole lot of open field moves" as listed above?

The guy had a few injury issues in college, missed a lot of time, and subsequently he didn't have big college numbers. His stock actually went up after a stellar NFL combine where he ran a 4.4 something 40 yard dash and did well in the other drills.

 

[Avery]

I watched Brown for 4 years at NCSU (my alma mater). He is big and likes contact, but his calling card is his 2nd gear after he takes the initial hit. He seems to get faster as the play develops. Not a whole lot of open field moves but I would say he is faster than Jacobs and has a little more stutter step than him. He hits the hole hard but plays really physical so injuries may be a concern.

Great post here. Also consider the Giants added Nicks and Barden in the draft. Both are physical WRs who can block downfield. Not to get ahead of ourselves, but the combination of what you wrote with their intentional drafting of physical WRs who can also be red zone threats, has me thinking that things could fall just right for Mr. Brown. As much as I love what Jacobs does, he is prone to injury due to his style and being a king-sized target. Bradshaw could be a great value, and I won't discount Ware either, but Brown's style meshes well with what the Giants like to do as an offense, so I'm on the optimistic side for Brown both as a rookie and in dynasty terms.

I'm curious as to why he fell to the 4th round in this draft? Since I don't follow college football closely, I rely a lot on what's said here. From this thread he sounds like he should have been drafted in the 2nd round. Why did he fall? Injury issues? What are his weaknesses other than "Not a whole lot of open field moves" as listed above?

The guy had a few injury issues in college, missed a lot of time, and subsequently he didn't have big college numbers. His stock actually went up after a stellar NFL combine where he ran a 4.4 something 40 yard dash and did well in the other drills.

There was also a major bloodletting for RBs in this draft. A lot fell further than expected. FWIW, many scouts said he'll be a better pro then college player.

 

[Sugar Huddle]

I watched Brown for 4 years at NCSU (my alma mater). He is big and likes contact, but his calling card is his 2nd gear after he takes the initial hit. He seems to get faster as the play develops. Not a whole lot of open field moves but I would say he is faster than Jacobs and has a little more stutter step than him. He hits the hole hard but plays really physical so injuries may be a concern.

Great post here. Also consider the Giants added Nicks and Barden in the draft. Both are physical WRs who can block downfield. Not to get ahead of ourselves, but the combination of what you wrote with their intentional drafting of physical WRs who can also be red zone threats, has me thinking that things could fall just right for Mr. Brown. As much as I love what Jacobs does, he is prone to injury due to his style and being a king-sized target. Bradshaw could be a great value, and I won't discount Ware either, but Brown's style meshes well with what the Giants like to do as an offense, so I'm on the optimistic side for Brown both as a rookie and in dynasty terms.

I'm curious as to why he fell to the 4th round in this draft? Since I don't follow college football closely, I rely a lot on what's said here. From this thread he sounds like he should have been drafted in the 2nd round. Why did he fall? Injury issues? What are his weaknesses other than "Not a whole lot of open field moves" as listed above?

The guy had a few injury issues in college, missed a lot of time, and subsequently he didn't have big college numbers. His stock actually went up after a stellar NFL combine where he ran a 4.4 something 40 yard dash and did well in the other drills.

There was also a major bloodletting for RBs in this draft. A lot fell further than expected. FWIW, many scouts said he'll be a better pro then college player.

This could be the draft where you see some mid to lower round RBs have some success (i.e., Brown, Ringer, J.Davis).

 

[RC94]

Brown is an interesting player with upside, but he is #4 on the depth chart and the 3 guys ahead of him are all quality players. He is going to have a hard time finding playing time unless there are some injuries.

 

[Yenrub]

Brown was injured a lot while at NC State and while he was out Tony Baker and Jamelle Eugene showed that they could play, so when he came back Brown had to split time with those guys

 

[runner06]

I don't think he has much value in redraft or keeper leagues. His greatest value is in dynasty leagues since he could be a solid starter for the Giants down the line.

 

[Tick]

I don't think he has much value in redraft or keeper leagues. His greatest value is in dynasty leagues since he could be a solid starter for the Giants down the line.

I agree. I don't see the opportunity this season, but long-term, he's got the talent to start. That doesn't mean he'll surely get a shot, but it means he's intriguing in a dynasty.

 

[Tick]

BTW, what happened with Dwayne Wright? I thought NYG signed him, but everything seems to indicate he's a free agent now.

 

[eire5199]

I got him in the third round of my dynasty rookie draft. He doesn't really do a whole lot for me, but it's a good value pick. I doubt he'll make my final roster, but if Brandon Jacobs blows an ACL or something, you never know.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

no doubt the Giants got good value in taking Andre Brown........ but i think thats all he is(for now). Bradshaw and Danny Ware will clearly be ahead of him and filling the Derrick Ward role . they will split the workload when(not if) when Jacobs gets hurt.

Giants could always deal a RB early on like they did with Ryan Grant a few season ago

 

[Mr. Peterson]

no doubt the Giants got good value in taking Andre Brown........ but i think thats all he is(for now). Bradshaw and Danny Ware will clearly be ahead of him and filling the Derrick Ward role . they will split the workload when(not if) when Jacobs gets hurt.

Giants could always deal a RB early on like they did with Ryan Grant a few season ago

I was thinking the same thing about Ware. I heard a couple teams were interested in him at one point and maybe they feel they can trade him now that they have Brown.

 

[PrimUomo]

I totally forgot about Ware. In that case Brown might not even see the field. Probably as much as Ware saw last year.

 

[Tau837]

no doubt the Giants got good value in taking Andre Brown........ but i think thats all he is(for now). Bradshaw and Danny Ware will clearly be ahead of him and filling the Derrick Ward role . they will split the workload when(not if) when Jacobs gets hurt.

Giants could always deal a RB early on like they did with Ryan Grant a few season ago

I disagree with your bolded statement. It may be likely, but it is not a given as you are implying here, especially for Ware.

 

[Birdie048]

I watched Brown for 4 years at NCSU (my alma mater). He is big and likes contact, but his calling card is his 2nd gear after he takes the initial hit. He seems to get faster as the play develops. Not a whole lot of open field moves but I would say he is faster than Jacobs and has a little more stutter step than him. He hits the hole hard but plays really physical so injuries may be a concern.

Okay... Saw some of his play at NCSU. Injuries are his big handicap as he missed time and the depth was quality to keep him limited in his return. He plays big in big games. To describe him as a contact player does not do him justice. He runs thru tacklers when possible. He reminds me of the old Stephen Davis style of smash mouth RB. I really like his soft hands and blocking ability. He is not a handicap on a blitz. He is a smart player who reads the defense well. His limitation is speed and injury. He can not outrun the elite DE (Peppers et al), but he can run thru the hole hard and quick. He does not dance - a true North South runner. I like the kid. I took him at 3.02 today, over Coffee and I have Gore.

 

[Tau837]

From one of EBF's pre-draft threads:

More on Andre Brown:

"I had to show I was 100 percent healthy,'' said Brown, who broke his left foot in 2007 and again in the spring of 2008. "They were saying I had nagging injuries and didn't produce as much as I should have at State. I took [the negative stuff] as motivation."

At 225 pounds, Brown's size is a plus. He also ran a hand-held 40 in 4.37 seconds and ranked among the top five in three agility and speed tests at the Combine. This came after an impressive effort in the Senior Bowl.

 

[Tau837]

From the same thread:

Some things to keep in mind about Brown. First, Tom O'Brien took over the program before the 2007 season, Brown's junior season. It quickly became apparent that the team had a big problem with talent and depth at certain positions, notably including QB and OL. A couple things on that:

41% Attrition Rate from 2005 & 2006 Recruiting Classes

NC State's football program is depleted of depth and currently undergoing a major rebuilding project.

Hopefully our fans have begun to realize that we are in a total rebuild mode and potentially several years behind other schools who made coaching changes at the same time we hired TOB.

Neither is this a watershed season in the evolution of Wolfpack football. The program O'Brien inherited from Chuck Amato in December 2006 was on shaky numerical ground. Of the 41 players State signed in 2005 and 2006, 17 are already gone. That 41 percent attrition rate far exceeds the personnel losses sustained by the other three ACC programs that changed administrations at the same time. (North Carolina's is at 18 percent; Miami has lost nine of 37 players from those classes or 24 percent; and Boston College, which O'Brien left to come to Raleigh, has seen six of 35 signees or 17 percent head elsewhere.)

Related to this, I emailed the following to a friend in mid October 2008, having compiled the data from various sources:

State's 2004 recruiting class had 18 commitments. This is the current redshirt senior class. 11 of these players played out or are playing out their eligibility and one other went pro early.

State's 2005 recruiting class had 22 commitments. This is the current senior/redshirt junior class. 12 of these players are currently playing out their eligibility.

State's 2006 recruiting class had 20 commitments. This is the current junior/redshirt sophomore class. 10 of these players are currently playing out their eligibility, and one other is currently on academic suspension and could return in the future.

Those were Amato's last 3 recruiting classes. I don't know how this compares to other programs, but I have to believe this is not normal - that is a 3 year stretch from which at best less than 60% of the recruits can possibly play out their eligibilty. That is why our team was so awful when O'Brien took over and why he is still rebuilding. It will be 2010 before that damage will be undone.

The OL was in terrible shape, as is mentioned in a couple of the quotes below. And the QBs in 2007 combined for a 14/24 TD/Int ratio.2008 N.C. State Football Preview

Last year North Carolina State had one of the worst rushing offenses in the nation and one of the worst rushing defenses. Fixing the running game on both sides of the ball is a major priority for Coach Tom O'Brien...

Luckily, one of those issues will take care of itself. Jamelle Eugene is back after rushing for a team high 667 yards last season, but more importantly so are Andre Brown and Toney Baker after missing much of last season with injuries. Add sophomore Curtis Underwood to that list and the Wolfpack suddenly have four quality runners. However, it was not the running backs fault that the team could not run last year. It was the offensive line. The line does return Curtis Crouch and Julian Williams, but that does not mean too much. In an effort to at least bolster the depth of the o-line, John Bedics and Ted Larsen will move over from the defensive line, but the unit will have to make drastic improvements if the team's best strength at running back is going to be utilized.

2008 N.C. State Football Preview

The Wolfpack have a trio of talented runners. Andre Brown, Toney Baker and Jamelle Eugene can all get it done with the ball in their hands. However, there aren't enough carries to go around for all three of them. As a result, Baker will probably see a lot of time at fullback this season, while Brown and Eugene will split duties at tailback.

Despite having three good runners, yards will probably be hard to come by. NC State has major weaknesses at pretty much every other position on offense. Their quarterbacks aren't good, the offensive line isn't particularly talented, and they lost both of their starting wide receivers from last year's team.

Opposing defenses will key on the running game, and limit the production of these three talented backs. NC State hasn't averaged four yards per carry for the season in 10 years.

Note that Toney Baker, mentioned in both quotes above, was lost for the season in the first game.Also, O'Brien's schemes on both offense and defense were different, and it took the 2007 team a while to adjust, going 1-5 to start the season. State finished 4-2, but unfortunately Brown was hurt in the 6th game and missed the resurgence - he had only 3 carries the rest of the season. Despite the changes in the program and the talent and depth issues at QB and OL, he played very well in the first 5 games: 83/427/5 rushing and 17/139/0 receiving.

In 2008, State lost ~70 games to injury for starting players. Combining that with the depth and inexperience problems definitely affected Brown. In mid September, the team was down to 46 scholarship players, not including kickers, and had 14 freshmen in its two deep depth chart. (LINK)

I'm not suggesting the Brown is going to dominate the NFL, but I do think he has a lot of potential. His last two seasons, he went through injury, a program change, and was generally surrounded by weak, young, and inexperienced teammates. I think his NFL potential is a lot higher than his college numbers would indicate. He had a strong showing at the Senior Bowl and in practices leading up to it, which really wasn't a surprise.

 

[trader jake]

Is he really faster than Jacobs?

I see the 40 time at the combine but Jacobs still has burst with the pads on in the 4th quarter...does Brown?

 

[Avery]

no doubt the Giants got good value in taking Andre Brown........ but i think thats all he is(for now). Bradshaw and Danny Ware will clearly be ahead of him and filling the Derrick Ward role . they will split the workload when(not if) when Jacobs gets hurt.

Giants could always deal a RB early on like they did with Ryan Grant a few season ago

I was thinking the same thing about Ware. I heard a couple teams were interested in him at one point and maybe they feel they can trade him now that they have Brown.

Especially considering how far RBs generally fell in the draft, Brown himself is a good example, I don't understand why people keep thinking that a 7th round pick who played very sparingly last year (Bradshaw) or a free agent who has 2 carries in his NFL career (Ware) are worth much more then a bag of chips in a trade. I think they both are talented, but the theoretical pick they would get back in a trade would be so late, I just don't see the point of the Giants moving any of them. It's great depth for the Giants and Ware, Bradshaw and Brown are going to cost very little for that depth.Fantasy football players are always clammering for trades so everyone can be a star but the truth is, if the cumulative salaries are reasonable and at a position of need NFL teams seek to acquire this depth, not trade it away.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

no doubt the Giants got good value in taking Andre Brown........ but i think thats all he is(for now). Bradshaw and Danny Ware will clearly be ahead of him and filling the Derrick Ward role . they will split the workload when(not if) when Jacobs gets hurt.

Giants could always deal a RB early on like they did with Ryan Grant a few season ago

I was thinking the same thing about Ware. I heard a couple teams were interested in him at one point and maybe they feel they can trade him now that they have Brown.

Especially considering how far RBs generally fell in the draft, Brown himself is a good example, I don't understand why people keep thinking that a 7th round pick who played very sparingly last year (Bradshaw) or a free agent who has 2 carries in his NFL career (Ware) are worth much more then a bag of chips in a trade. I think they both are talented, but the theoretical pick they would get back in a trade would be so late, I just don't see the point of the Giants moving any of them. It's great depth for the Giants and Ware, Bradshaw and Brown are going to cost very little for that depth.Fantasy football players are always clammering for trades so everyone can be a star but the truth is, if the cumulative salaries are reasonable and at a position of need NFL teams seek to acquire this depth, not trade it away.

I only made that comment because there were talks about teams trying to aquire Ware in the past. The Giants were holding on to him for a reason but now with Brown they might let him go somewhere else.And when was Grant drafted? Yet there were teams willing to offer more than a "bag of chips" for him and he didn't even have a single carry before the Packers came asking for him.

 

[Avery]

no doubt the Giants got good value in taking Andre Brown........ but i think thats all he is(for now). Bradshaw and Danny Ware will clearly be ahead of him and filling the Derrick Ward role . they will split the workload when(not if) when Jacobs gets hurt.

Giants could always deal a RB early on like they did with Ryan Grant a few season ago

I was thinking the same thing about Ware. I heard a couple teams were interested in him at one point and maybe they feel they can trade him now that they have Brown.

Especially considering how far RBs generally fell in the draft, Brown himself is a good example, I don't understand why people keep thinking that a 7th round pick who played very sparingly last year (Bradshaw) or a free agent who has 2 carries in his NFL career (Ware) are worth much more then a bag of chips in a trade. I think they both are talented, but the theoretical pick they would get back in a trade would be so late, I just don't see the point of the Giants moving any of them. It's great depth for the Giants and Ware, Bradshaw and Brown are going to cost very little for that depth.Fantasy football players are always clammering for trades so everyone can be a star but the truth is, if the cumulative salaries are reasonable and at a position of need NFL teams seek to acquire this depth, not trade it away.

I only made that comment because there were talks about teams trying to aquire Ware in the past. The Giants were holding on to him for a reason but now with Brown they might let him go somewhere else.And when was Grant drafted? Yet there were teams willing to offer more than a "bag of chips" for him and he didn't even have a single carry before the Packers came asking for him.

I know, I know. The Ryan Grant example is always the counter-argument. Ryan Grant was 5th of the depth chart for the Giants at the time and word was he was not likely to make the final roster. Add to that, that it appears that the market for RBs is worth even less now then it was then. So maybe a 6th round pick at best for Ware or Bradshaw? What would be the point if you are the GM for the New York Football Giants vs a fantasy football GM? (unless of course, it is part of a larger trade)

 

[Dr. Octopus]

no doubt the Giants got good value in taking Andre Brown........ but i think thats all he is(for now). Bradshaw and Danny Ware will clearly be ahead of him and filling the Derrick Ward role . they will split the workload when(not if) when Jacobs gets hurt.

Giants could always deal a RB early on like they did with Ryan Grant a few season ago

I was thinking the same thing about Ware. I heard a couple teams were interested in him at one point and maybe they feel they can trade him now that they have Brown.

Especially considering how far RBs generally fell in the draft, Brown himself is a good example, I don't understand why people keep thinking that a 7th round pick who played very sparingly last year (Bradshaw) or a free agent who has 2 carries in his NFL career (Ware) are worth much more then a bag of chips in a trade. I think they both are talented, but the theoretical pick they would get back in a trade would be so late, I just don't see the point of the Giants moving any of them. It's great depth for the Giants and Ware, Bradshaw and Brown are going to cost very little for that depth.Fantasy football players are always clammering for trades so everyone can be a star but the truth is, if the cumulative salaries are reasonable and at a position of need NFL teams seek to acquire this depth, not trade it away.

I only made that comment because there were talks about teams trying to aquire Ware in the past. The Giants were holding on to him for a reason but now with Brown they might let him go somewhere else.And when was Grant drafted? Yet there were teams willing to offer more than a "bag of chips" for him and he didn't even have a single carry before the Packers came asking for him.

Not much more. I believe the Giants only got a sixth round pick for him.

 

[dmac37]

With what we have seen so far Bradshaw should be the slam dunk back up to Jacobs IMO.

I did not see Bradshaw much last year but the stats indicate he was very productive.

I keep going back to the only significant time Bradshaw has seen, the 2007 Super Bowl run. During this time Bradshaw looked better than Jacobs vs the same playoff caliber defense, they would split series it was not just a matter of Jacobs wearing down the defense for Bradshaw to come in and reap the rewards. To me Bradshaw seems closer to an every down back rather than the COP back many claim.

I think Brown could be a good dynasty investment but I think Bradshaw is still the guy after Jacobs.

 

[Avery]

With what we have seen so far Bradshaw should be the slam dunk back up to Jacobs IMO.

I did not see Bradshaw much last year but the stats indicate he was very productive.

I keep going back to the only significant time Bradshaw has seen, the 2007 Super Bowl run. During this time Bradshaw looked better than Jacobs vs the same playoff caliber defense, they would split series it was not just a matter of Jacobs wearing down the defense for Bradshaw to come in and reap the rewards. To me Bradshaw seems closer to an every down back rather than the COP back many claim.

I think Brown could be a good dynasty investment but I think Bradshaw is still the guy after Jacobs.

It's not going to be a clear #2 and #3 with the Giants.It was a mistake many made last year that they extrapolated Bradshaw's gaudy numbers over a short period over the course of the season and concluded that he is better then Jacobs and therefore will be more successful in the future. Those of us who follow the Giants will tell you looking beyond the stats, Bradshaw has been successful in limited duty due to the others pounding the defense and Bradshaw staying fresh because he is not playing much.

Whether you believe that or not seems rather inconsequential because judging by how they used Bradshaw last season following the 2007 playoff run, Coughlin and Gilbrade clearly do.

 

[Two Deep]

With what we have seen so far Bradshaw should be the slam dunk back up to Jacobs IMO.I did not see Bradshaw much last year but the stats indicate he was very productive.I keep going back to the only significant time Bradshaw has seen, the 2007 Super Bowl run. During this time Bradshaw looked better than Jacobs vs the same playoff caliber defense, they would split series it was not just a matter of Jacobs wearing down the defense for Bradshaw to come in and reap the rewards. To me Bradshaw seems closer to an every down back rather than the COP back many claim.I think Brown could be a good dynasty investment but I think Bradshaw is still the guy after Jacobs.

Agreed, Bradshaw is their next Tiki Barber. People getting hung up on size are making a mistake.

 

[Biabreakable]

With what we have seen so far Bradshaw should be the slam dunk back up to Jacobs IMO.I did not see Bradshaw much last year but the stats indicate he was very productive.I keep going back to the only significant time Bradshaw has seen, the 2007 Super Bowl run. During this time Bradshaw looked better than Jacobs vs the same playoff caliber defense, they would split series it was not just a matter of Jacobs wearing down the defense for Bradshaw to come in and reap the rewards. To me Bradshaw seems closer to an every down back rather than the COP back many claim.I think Brown could be a good dynasty investment but I think Bradshaw is still the guy after Jacobs.

Agreed, Bradshaw is their next Tiki Barber. People getting hung up on size are making a mistake.

I think Bradshaw is more like Mewelde Moore. He is a bit more powerful than MM but perhaps not quite as quick. Similar players however with well rounded skill sets.I see Brown's role being more similar to Wards unless Ware wins that job.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Giants | A. Brown could push for No. 2 RB job Fri May 8, 08:37 PM Ralph Vacchiano, of the New York Gaily News, reports New York Giants RB Andre Brown figures to the No. 3 running back in the team's rotation, but he could eventually push RB Ahmad Bradshaw for the No. 2 job.Our view: This is why they drafted the talented back out of North Carolina State. Some RBs have a devastating stiff arm, and Brown is one of those runners. Andre is known to have a street fighter's mentality from the RB position, and he doesn't like to go down without a fight. He is also a consistent receiver out of the backfield, so he's more than just a 2-down back. In addition to his natural hands, he is also very good in pass protection which is extremely important for young backs looking to get immediate playing time. Injuries are a concern, as he's had 2 surgeries on his left foot, and Brown does take some time to get to full speed. Danny Ware, the undrafted free agent from Georgia, will be battling Brown for that #3 spot. On most teams the 3rd string RB wouldn't see much playing time but the Giants run with a 3-headed RBBC.

Posted this in another thread and thought it fits in here too.

 

[Avery]

Giants | A. Brown could push for No. 2 RB job Fri May 8, 08:37 PM

Ralph Vacchiano, of the New York Gaily News, reports New York Giants RB Andre Brown figures to the No. 3 running back in the team's rotation, but he could eventually push RB Ahmad Bradshaw for the No. 2 job.

Our view: This is why they drafted the talented back out of North Carolina State. Some RBs have a devastating stiff arm, and Brown is one of those runners. Andre is known to have a street fighter's mentality from the RB position, and he doesn't like to go down without a fight. He is also a consistent receiver out of the backfield, so he's more than just a 2-down back. In addition to his natural hands, he is also very good in pass protection which is extremely important for young backs looking to get immediate playing time. Injuries are a concern, as he's had 2 surgeries on his left foot, and Brown does take some time to get to full speed. Danny Ware, the undrafted free agent from Georgia, will be battling Brown for that #3 spot. On most teams the 3rd string RB wouldn't see much playing time but the Giants run with a 3-headed RBBC.

Posted this in another thread and thought it fits in here too.

 

[Biabreakable]

Giants | A. Brown could push for No. 2 RB job Fri May 8, 08:37 PM

Ralph Vacchiano, of the New York Gaily News, reports New York Giants RB Andre Brown figures to the No. 3 running back in the team's rotation, but he could eventually push RB Ahmad Bradshaw for the No. 2 job.

Our view: This is why they drafted the talented back out of North Carolina State. Some RBs have a devastating stiff arm, and Brown is one of those runners. Andre is known to have a street fighter's mentality from the RB position, and he doesn't like to go down without a fight. He is also a consistent receiver out of the backfield, so he's more than just a 2-down back. In addition to his natural hands, he is also very good in pass protection which is extremely important for young backs looking to get immediate playing time. Injuries are a concern, as he's had 2 surgeries on his left foot, and Brown does take some time to get to full speed. Danny Ware, the undrafted free agent from Georgia, will be battling Brown for that #3 spot. On most teams the 3rd string RB wouldn't see much playing time but the Giants run with a 3-headed RBBC.

Posted this in another thread and thought it fits in here too.

lol

 

[broncofan13000]

1. Andre Brown (RotoWire) Brown tore the Achilles' tendon in his left knee on Friday and is out for the season, the Associated Press reports. Analysis: Bad news for Brown and the Giants, who for a change are now are looking a little thin at running back for the upcoming season.

Sucks to see him lost for the year.

 

[Illegal Pants Downfield]

1. Andre Brown (RotoWire) Brown tore the Achilles' tendon in his left knee on Friday and is out for the season, the Associated Press reports. Analysis: Bad news for Brown and the Giants, who for a change are now are looking a little thin at running back for the upcoming season.

Sucks to see him lost for the year.

Knees have Achilles' tendons? @ Rotowire

@ self for being a Brown owner.

 

[Bri]

I would say he is faster than Jacobs

doubt it but Jacobs does take too long to get to that fifth gear which was about your point anyway. It's just...well if Gilbride ever worked it out, that big guy can really move and with a full head of steam there's not alot of defenders taking him down. The Gmen never set that up well though so....

 

[Bri]

1. Andre Brown (RotoWire) Brown tore the Achilles' tendon in his left knee on Friday and is out for the season, the Associated Press reports. Analysis: Bad news for Brown and the Giants, who for a change are now are looking a little thin at running back for the upcoming season.

Sucks to see him lost for the year.

Knees have Achilles' tendons? @ Rotowire

@ self for being a Brown owner.

ouch that's a real long achilles tendon

 

[Northbound Train]

I watched Brown for 4 years at NCSU (my alma mater). He is big and likes contact, but his calling card is his 2nd gear after he takes the initial hit. He seems to get faster as the play develops. Not a whole lot of open field moves but I would say he is faster than Jacobs and has a little more stutter step than him. He hits the hole hard but plays really physical so injuries may be a concern.

 

[Northbound Train]

I watched Brown for 4 years at NCSU (my alma mater). He is big and likes contact, but his calling card is his 2nd gear after he takes the initial hit. He seems to get faster as the play develops. Not a whole lot of open field moves but I would say he is faster than Jacobs and has a little more stutter step than him. He hits the hole hard but plays really physical so injuries may be a concern.

Okay... Saw some of his play at NCSU. Injuries are his big handicap as he missed time and the depth was quality to keep him limited in his return. He plays big in big games. To describe him as a contact player does not do him justice. He runs thru tacklers when possible. He reminds me of the old Stephen Davis style of smash mouth RB. I really like his soft hands and blocking ability. He is not a handicap on a blitz. He is a smart player who reads the defense well. His limitation is speed and injury. He can not outrun the elite DE (Peppers et al), but he can run thru the hole hard and quick. He does not dance - a true North South runner. I like the kid. I took him at 3.02 today, over Coffee and I have Gore.

I took him at 2.10 .... had a hard time choosing between him & Coffee but I this kids style. Didn't get to see him much but of what I did I liked....Love some strong, bruising N-S RBs on my teams, especially for a DYnasty