Andre Hall (1 Viewer)

[moleculo]

no way Hall gets 12-15 touches. His roll will be closer to 8-12 per game (give or take a few).

 

[moleculo]

I hate to hijack but Kevin Smith's *almost* record yardage came against the likes of Louisiana Lafayette, Tulsa, UAB, Southern Mississippi, etc. And it required a record number of carries to get there.

Add in the fact that he was tackled for a loss/stopped for no gain almost 90 times his junior year - that shows lack of patience.

And let's not forget about Jerome Felton either. he could be the goalline back, plus he's not a bad receiver and we shouldn't discount his ability to run the ball. The Lions carrying 2 backs, to me, says Felton will get some carries.

89 times, but who's counting? Again, I think far too much is made about the impact fullbacks and "big" goal line specialists can have. Every fantasy season we hear these discussions and yet, with VERY FEW exceptions, they don't materialize - at least in circumstances where the lead back doesn't get more short yardage touches and TDs anyway.

How many of those few times have been Denver RBs?

Great question, and the answer is "not many."Here are Denver's leading goal line rushers (5 yards and in) over the 2002-2007 period:

First Last Year GLCs GLYds GLTD Rus Yds TDs

Clinton Portis 2002 15 24 9 274 1509 15

Mike Anderson 2002 5 7 1 83 385 2

Olandis Gary 2002 2 1 1 37 147 1

Reuben Droughns 2002 1 1 1 4 11 1

Clinton Portis 2003 16 15 6 290 1593 14

Quentin Griffin 2003 3 0 0 93 342 0

Mike Anderson 2003 13 14 3 70 257 3

Reuben Droughns 2003 0 0 0 6 14 0

Reuben Droughns 2004 11 18 3 275 1240 6

Quentin Griffin 2004 4 -1 0 84 311 2

Tatum Bell 2004 2 1 0 75 396 3

Garrison Hearst 2004 1 4 1 20 81 1

Mike Anderson 2005 25 31 9 240 1014 12

Tatum Bell 2005 9 5 2 172 919 8

Ron Dayne 2005 1 1 0 52 270 1

Cecil Sapp 2005 1 2 0 5 21 0

Kyle Johnson 2005 1 3 1 4 9 1

Tatum Bell 2006 6 3 1 233 1031 2

Mike Bell 2006 17 12 8 157 677 8

Cecil Sapp 2006 0 0 0 10 80 0

Kyle Johnson 2006 0 0 0 5 30 0

Travis Henry 2007 7 10 3 167 691 4

Selvin Young 2007 7 -4 0 140 727 1

Andre Hall 2007 3 -5 0 44 216 2

Cecil Sapp 2007 4 9 2 18 59 2

As you can see, except for 2003 when Mike Anderson got about half the goal line carries despite being 3rd on the team in rushing attempts, Shanny has pretty much given the money touches to his main back.

Tatum Bell 2006 6 3 1 233 1031 2Mike Bell 2006 17 12 8 157 677 8

Cecil Sapp 2006 0 0 0 10 80 0

Kyle Johnson 2006 0 0 0 5 30 0

in 2006 Tatum Bell had 233 carries and Mike bell had 157 carries, but Mike Bell had almost 3x as many goal line carries as Tatum Bell (and 8 TD's).

This is especially significant in that (A) it's recent and (B) this is the carry/utilization model that many (myself included) project WRT Young and Hall.

Don't misunderstand me, I don't dispute that Andre Hall COULD be a major part of the Broncos offense, and the 2006 mix would be something that, at least on the surface, seems perfectly reasonable. What I have an issue with is this notion of "vulturing" goal line carries...i.e., a back that's going to see precious little time in the regular offense but is then explicitly brought in to log goal line touches at the expense of the team's main work horse(s). A committee isn't what I have an issue with, that's a real possibility. But several times in this thread, as it relates to both the Denver situation and the Felton/Detroit situation, it's been brought up that "Player X" could steal goal line touches from "Player Y." That rarely happens, even in Denver.

Here are some (hopefully) more cogent thoughts on the matter:

http://blog.footballguys.com/2008/09/06/my...ver-case-study/

ok, I misunderstood. You are correct in that the Denver FB rarely gets any carries, especially at the stripe. The only action the FB sees is possibly a swing out pass - that has happened a handfull of times. A more likely vulture type scenario is a QB scrambling for a TD. Cutler is more likely to vulture a TD from the RBBC duo of Hall/Young than Hillis.

I take this back - Hillis is a new animal. He got some short yardage carries yesterday and was very effective (as was Pittman, obviously).IMO, it looks like Young/Hall will be used interchangably w/ Pittman as 3rd/goal line, occasional Hillis, and Torain on the horizon.

Good for Broncos, not good for FF.