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Andre Johnson vs Gore (1 Viewer)
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Creed Bratton
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I see you just joined yesterday, so I'll start off by welcoming you to the forums here. Posts about how to manage your specific team belong in the assistant coach forum, but if you do a search, it shouldn't be hard to find what people think about those respective players for this season. This might be a couple places to startandre johnson
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Catbird
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Its not a big deal, and I appreciate that CB handled it politely here, but I don't get the big rush to push player comparisons to the Asst. Coach forum?
The question here was Gore or Andre. The OP set it in the context of his #5 draft pick, but the question to be addressed is which of those 2 guys would you rather start your team with. The posting above that at the moment is Crabtree v. Nicks which generated 2 interesting pages of posts in 24 hours. The OP didn't say 'for my team in round 3" but the question seems awfully similar to me. A couple of listings further down is 'First pick: CJ3 or ADP?
I like player comparison threads if the players are good comperables and I think they generate good points about relative player merits as well as different drafting situations/scoring systems. I think we might lighten up on sending posts away unless they ask what to do when you already have 2 solid QBs in a 2 QB league and the OP wants to know whether to pick a particular third QB or 4th WR in a .5 ppr scheme.
As to Gore v. Andre here - I think they are so close that it does come down to scoring system and personal preference. I would go Andre with any ppr scoring, though, because the injury risk is probably significant but pretty equal between them, Gore has more meaningful miles on him, and I am less excited about SF having 2 rookie OL starting than most seem to be (I think that value will be a lot more in subsequent year than '10) and I like having the best player at a key position.
The question here was Gore or Andre. The OP set it in the context of his #5 draft pick, but the question to be addressed is which of those 2 guys would you rather start your team with. The posting above that at the moment is Crabtree v. Nicks which generated 2 interesting pages of posts in 24 hours. The OP didn't say 'for my team in round 3" but the question seems awfully similar to me. A couple of listings further down is 'First pick: CJ3 or ADP?
I like player comparison threads if the players are good comperables and I think they generate good points about relative player merits as well as different drafting situations/scoring systems. I think we might lighten up on sending posts away unless they ask what to do when you already have 2 solid QBs in a 2 QB league and the OP wants to know whether to pick a particular third QB or 4th WR in a .5 ppr scheme.
As to Gore v. Andre here - I think they are so close that it does come down to scoring system and personal preference. I would go Andre with any ppr scoring, though, because the injury risk is probably significant but pretty equal between them, Gore has more meaningful miles on him, and I am less excited about SF having 2 rookie OL starting than most seem to be (I think that value will be a lot more in subsequent year than '10) and I like having the best player at a key position.
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BucFan40
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I've got the 5th pick in a .5 PPR league and I'm going Gore. Player vs player I think they are real close and I wouldn't fault anyone for picking one over the other. I'm going Gore because I think the drop off between the next tier or RBs is greater than the drop off between AJ and say Fitz or Roddy (players you may be able to get in the 2nd)
redBourne
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Should we consider the injury history or probability of Schaub in this discussion? Gore doesn't rely on the QB as much as Andre does. Though I'll grant you 9 in the box should David Carr start, if Schaub goes down I would have to expect AJ's numbers would decline a little.
I have the 5th pick in a non PPR, and I am leaning towards Gore for the exact same reason.
No Way Jose
Footballguy
I had the 5th pick in .5 ppr start up and took Andre Johnson. You can then pick up a solid r b in round 2 like D. Will or Mendy. You can't really go wrong either way really, as I think they will both be great next year.
Great input and much appreciated. I have been reading here for quite awhile but really didn't look to post until I had enough experience in ff to comment. I look a lot at gore's missing 2 extra games last year and still doing well and his fantasy playoff schedule, and compare that to AJ's consistency. I am not sure how much the 0.5 ppt even matters. MAybe 30 points max.
I'm in the same spot here and completely agree with this. Although the projections for both guys are similar, I have to take Andre here. I had Gore last year, and was torched by Andre when Frank was out. I know a good fantasy player shouldn't dwell on the past, but there is no way I'm letting him get past me if he's there.No Way Jose said:
TeamSnooki
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I have them in pretty much a deadheat.
Great help I know.
But I do like the people's theory above about the less significant drop in the rd 2 WRs. Personally I love Roddy White over a couple of the WRs going ahead of him and would think there is a pretty good chance he'd slip to me and rd 2. There isn't a RB who is the equivalent of White for me, so I guess I'd go Gore.
Great help I know.
But I do like the people's theory above about the less significant drop in the rd 2 WRs. Personally I love Roddy White over a couple of the WRs going ahead of him and would think there is a pretty good chance he'd slip to me and rd 2. There isn't a RB who is the equivalent of White for me, so I guess I'd go Gore.
I agree that Roddy is a back end 1st round talent, but it's not much of a stretch to think that he won't last back around to the 5th pick in the second. The thread was started on the pretense of having the 5th pick, and to be honest, I don't see Roddy making it back around. Knowshon, Turner, or Mendy coupled with Andre is a more likely outcome. IMO.Also, I'm in a 12 man league in which the turn in 1/2 usually eats up 3-4 WR's. In a 10 man league I might take a different path.
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No Way Jose
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In all the ppr drafts I have done this year picks 1.8-2.4 have been about 80 percent wr's...they have been flying off the board...if you take Gore at 1.5, you might be in a position that you have to take another Rb if he is the BPA. AJ is almost a lock for about 20 points every week. I really like Gore too, I just like to take the best player at his position if I have the chance. And its not a huge reach.
I think you make the AJ argument for me here. If the elite WR's are flying off the board at the end/start of 1/2, then would it not make sense to grab AJ first and then pick up a solid RB with #2? Gore is supremely talented but is prone to an injury or two over the duration of the season just because of the position he plays. I'm not saying AJ is an ironman, but the "safer" pick is Andre in my mind.
In your format, I would go with your choice of Brees/Rodgers (i prefer Rodgers). The 6 pts for passing touchdowns make these players even more valuable and this is also a league with a shallow starting lineup. Get a lead with a good game from Rodgers or Brees and the other teams dont have a lot of other players to make up that ground. You can pretty much be assured that the top 8 qb's will be gone by round 4 in this format. The value of AJ is further hurt by the fact that it is only .5 per reception.
If you are sure u want gore or AJ, I say AJ. You have 2 wr spots and AJ is the best out there. With only required to start 1 RB (maybe 2 in flex) you can find an acceptable starter in later rounds.
If you are sure u want gore or AJ, I say AJ. You have 2 wr spots and AJ is the best out there. With only required to start 1 RB (maybe 2 in flex) you can find an acceptable starter in later rounds.
In the leagues (2rbs, 3 wr's and maybe a flex) that most people play in, that is too early for a qb because you need to start so many rb's and wr's and the points for those players cancel out the qb edge. This is not the case in the above league. Too many people have a "one size fits all" draft strategy or hard rules like "Never draft a qb in the first round". But you must look at the rules for a particular league and make your strategy based on that. Six points per pass TD, combined with shallow rosters, and only .5 per reception give qb's a major bump. In this type of setup, I would rather take Rodgers in 1 than Phillip Rivers in 3.Tight ends also increase in value in this league.
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Atl you are absolutely right that by the time we reach round 4, I expect the big 7 to be gone. If I honestly wanted to take a qb, I just figured I could do so in the second, third, or later. You also make a good point about the short roster. I would argue against a qb in the first since you can probably get better value with one of the big 7 later. I guess the pertinent question is whether or non the 49ers offense will be potent enough for gore to match 13 tds from last season.
Sopranos25
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They were dead even last year. I feel Gore has more room to improve in his #'s. Bigger risk but bigger reward. Your good either way though
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Andre outscored Gore by 11.8 points in our league last season. Gore missed two full games and was out after his first carry in another. On a points per game basis Andre scored 16.53 and Gore (including that Minnesota game) scored 18.04.Passing on Gore in the 5 hole is a major mistake in my mind. It's possible he misses a couple games, but if you have a capable backup that can fill in then your Gore/RB3 combo will be more productive than Andre on a ppg basis.You're putting yourself way behind at the RB position taking a WR that early. Some of the names being thrown around as possible RB1 options in round 2 aren't realistic for an AJ drafter at 5.There seems to be an injury prone label that has been put on Frank Gore, but he's only missed 7 games in his career. Andre? He's missed 10 in his. The 49ers are a defensive minded run first team, they upgraded their o-line with two first round picks, with Crabtree/Davis teams can't stack the box, and SF plays an absolutely cupcake schedule. This team is going to be protecting leads, which equals big points for Frank Gore.Salivate at the thought of making your league's playoffs and having your RB1 facing these run defenses weeks 14-16 with 09 rank in parentheses:Seattle (15)@San Diego (20)@St. Louis (27)
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dagwood
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They are very close
I would go Gore
You will an easier time finding a Quality WR in round 2 or 3. You will be reduced to trying to decipher a RBBC situation or picking a one dimensional RB and hoping he scores a lot of TD's in round 2 or 3.
As I said before tie goes to the RB when you are picking that high.
I would go Gore
You will an easier time finding a Quality WR in round 2 or 3. You will be reduced to trying to decipher a RBBC situation or picking a one dimensional RB and hoping he scores a lot of TD's in round 2 or 3.
As I said before tie goes to the RB when you are picking that high.
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