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Andrew Luck..... Love fest inside.... (1 Viewer)

Carter_Can_Fly said:
What we know:

Andrew Luck just turned 24 years of age and is arguably the most important player to his team in the entire NFL.

Having watched every game of Luck's NFL career the kid is still remarkably underrated. I know that is hard to believe as he is often times seen as a poster boy and compared to the elite guys. The thing is what he has done with Indy over the last season and a half is borderline ridiculous and this year he is having an MVP season and is already as elite as they come.

Take last game for instance against the Houston Texans on the road. Luck and the Colts offence struggled mightliy the first half. What do you expect though when you are starting one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL and your starting WR's are DHB (a WR 4 at best), Ty Hilton (2nd year), and Griff Whalen (1st game). Now I know Hilton can make plays and has upside but we are talking about a 2nd year WR that is far from established. The running game was ineffective and this O line would struggle to block a CFL defence. You add Fleener to the mix and he is a second year TE that has a ton of room for growth and is still a ways away from being a good player in the NFL.

What does Luck do in that Texans game? He puts the team on his back and wills out the win. The stat line of only completing 18 of 40 passes does not look great percentage wise, but he threw for 271 yards, 3tds and no ints. This looked like a game where the majority of veteran QB's would pack it in and not only lose the game but lose it on their team and recivers along the way. Luck though is the ultimate team and natural born leader. He continues to motivate, encourage and work the side lines instilling confidence in his young team. He could have folded multiple times in that game and instead he pulls out yet another 4th quarter win. He has 10 fourth quarter come backs in only 24 NFL starts. The kid just has no quit in him and has already established himself as one of the most clutch players playing today.

The team at 6 and 2 has knocked off SB favorites Seattle, Denver, and San Fran this year.

Luck is on pace to throw for 3700 yards with 26 td's to 6 ints. He also is on pace to add 366 rushing yards and 6 rushing td's.

You could not find me 3 more important players to their team this year than Andrew Luck. It is amazing what he continues to do each week after only turning 24 years of age two months ago.

The Colts franchise have been blessed yet again.
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Things change so quickly 

 
The Frankman said:
I'll never understand why they didn't just PUP Luck. There was no realistic way he'd be back by Week 6.
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If he practices next week, it affords him two more weeks of games since the narrative being driven at the moment is he'll need 4 weeks of practice before he plays.

My understanding on PUP is that you can't practice either.  So the decision makes sense from that POV.

 
The Frankman said:
I'll never understand why they didn't just PUP Luck. There was no realistic way he'd be back by Week 6.
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What was the reason you think they should have placed Luck on PUP? To free up one more roster spot? As a Colts fan I can assure you that one extra roster spot wouldn't have made them any better.

When dealing with Luck I think the Colts did the right thing here.  They want him to practice as soon as he is ready so that he is able to come back and play.  Now, if they had information that he wouldn't be able to practice until after Week 6 I can see an argument for placing him on the PUP list, but I think this goes beyond that.  I think this has more to do with keeping the fans hoping and believing this season isn't a lost cause.  I also believe medically they weren't sure when he will be ready so they kept the door open for him to return when ready by not placing him on the PUP list.

 
ourmanflint said:
Does Chao ever have good news?
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Well he is reporting injuries so we are starting with bad news but he has often provided a very encouraging prognosis.

zftcg said:
I'm not clear on something: Is Chao his doctor, or is he just offering his outside opinion? None of the reports I've seen have explained that. I'm fairly sure it's the latter.
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Chao is not his doctor and just offering his outside opinion. This is what Chao does and in my opinion does it extremely well but he does miss some calls and admits as much, not easy doing video diagnosis.

In my opinion in this case he has overstepped his area of expertise just a little and I say that with respect to his 4 week timeframe he specified Luck would need to practice. I do not think he needs a full 4 weeks. If he returns to practice next week I believe we see Luck return week 7 or 8.

 
TheDirtyWord said:
If he practices next week, it affords him two more weeks of games since the narrative being driven at the moment is he'll need 4 weeks of practice before he plays.

My understanding on PUP is that you can't practice either.  So the decision makes sense from that POV.
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The narrative is four more weeks? His coach who sees him and the team medical staff every day said he was about to practice this week and play week 6.  A doctor who hasn't examined him or talked to him said four more weeks....

 
menobrown said:
Well he is reporting injuries so we are starting with bad news but he has often provided a very encouraging prognosis.

Chao is not his doctor and just offering his outside opinion. This is what Chao does and in my opinion does it extremely well but he does miss some calls and admits as much, not easy doing video diagnosis.

In my opinion in this case he has overstepped his area of expertise just a little and I say that with respect to his 4 week timeframe he specified Luck would need to practice. I do not think he needs a full 4 weeks. If he returns to practice next week I believe we see Luck return week 7 or 8.
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Yeah, it seems weird. You can say, "Typically this injury requires X-Y weeks of healing," but even that's a general statement that will always be subject to a range of outcomes depending on the patient and severity of injury, which he presumably doesn't know about.

It just seems like, in our headline/tweet-driven media environment, it's coming across as "Doctor says Luck not back until November", which may end up being true but is highly misleading based on what we know (and don't know) right now.

 
This is an odd report considering that this man is not Luck’s doctor and does not have first hand information of his condition. I’m not saying he’s wrong, but it may just be speculation on his part.

 
Saboo said:
This is an odd report considering that this man is not Luck’s doctor and does not have first hand information of his condition. I’m not saying he’s wrong, but it may just be speculation on his part.
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It's truly all speculation.  Chao hasn't examined him.  But yes, he is a former team doctor so he likely can say based on his experience, this type of injury takes X amount of weeks to heal.  I find him more reliable than that twit Stephania Bell on ESPN, who is not a medical doctor but rather a physical therapist that just regurgitates everything we already know and can find on the internet.

 
The Frankman said:
I'll never understand why they didn't just PUP Luck. There was no realistic way he'd be back by Week 6.
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To allow Luck to practice for an extra week or two.

...and to sell tickets?

 
Barometer check -- is Luck worth holding in redraft this year? 

If so, where do you draw the line (i.e. I'm holding Luck, but would drop him for a lotto guy like Gallman or Murray, but likely not for a guy like McKinnon, etc.)

 
What do you expect from Luck when he returns?

Is it likely that he returns to top 5 status or will he not be the same until next year? Would you rather have a guy like P.Rivers or Carson Wentz going forward or will Luck be the near dominant player he has been in the past?

 
Saboo said:
What do you expect from Luck when he returns?

Is it likely that he returns to top 5 status or will he not be the same until next year? Would you rather have a guy like P.Rivers or Carson Wentz going forward or will Luck be the near dominant player he has been in the past?
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In my dynasty league I traded Luck in a multiplayer deal that got me Ryan.  Big Ben is the backup I've been depending on :X .  One of the reasons I cut bait was because I think it's more likely that he continues to take abuse and get injured on that team than not.   Also look at Cam Newton last year....that was his return from similar injury.  Not good.

 
SCT said:
In my dynasty league I traded Luck in a multiplayer deal that got me Ryan.  Big Ben is the backup I've been depending on :X .  One of the reasons I cut bait was because I think it's more likely that he continues to take abuse and get injured on that team than not.   Also look at Cam Newton last year....that was his return from similar injury.  Not good.
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Besides the obvious health concerns and rust that Luck will face, I’m also concerned that his playoff schedule is brutal with week 15-16 games vs Denver and Baltimore.

 
Saboo said:
What do you expect from Luck when he returns?

Is it likely that he returns to top 5 status or will he not be the same until next year? Would you rather have a guy like P.Rivers or Carson Wentz going forward or will Luck be the near dominant player he has been in the past?
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I'll take Luck 

 
What would you put his value at as far as the type of we he could bring in a trade?

I drafted him late as possible trade material (have Brady).  Lost Em. Samd ta for a little while, Tyreek hurting and an early game, and Jordy just lost Rodgers.

Looking at trying to dea Luck to the Rodgers owner...just trying to gauge his value.

 
sho nuff said:
What would you put his value at as far as the type of we he could bring in a trade?

I drafted him late as possible trade material (have Brady).  Lost Em. Samd ta for a little while, Tyreek hurting and an early game, and Jordy just lost Rodgers.

Looking at trying to dea Luck to the Rodgers owner...just trying to gauge his value.
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I traded him two weeks ago in a package.  Luck Moncrief Lewis for Ryan Parker Foreman.   At that time Lewis has done nothing for two years and foreman looked like he was about to take the job.  

 
I think what's gotten lost in his rehab is the fact that when he's back, will the Colts have all governors off him?

My thinking is a healthy Luck even if he misses half the year is still a Top 5 FF QB.  And while he appears about 2-3 weeks away, when he's back - he's back.  Not just a compromised facsimile.

Thoughts?

 
TheDirtyWord said:
I think what's gotten lost in his rehab is the fact that when he's back, will the Colts have all governors off him?

My thinking is a healthy Luck even if he misses half the year is still a Top 5 FF QB.  And while he appears about 2-3 weeks away, when he's back - he's back.  Not just a compromised facsimile.

Thoughts?
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That's my understanding. 

 
Id hope so...and sitting at 6-0 now...Im not in a panic to sell low...if I do sell.

I will likely wait til he is playing to try and move him (since I have Brady).  Or...if by then my WR corps looks better...keep him as insurance for Brady (after watching Rodgers go down).

Someone will have to wow me with an offer.

 
Colts GM Chris Ballard said Andrew Luck has experienced soreness in his surgically-repaired right (throwing) shoulder and will not practice this week.

This qualifies as a significant setback, no matter how the Colts try and spin it. Luck practiced the past two weeks and appeared to be knocking on the door of playing sometime soon. He's now again out indefinitely, leaving Jacoby Brissett the starter for the next few weeks and further dropping the floors of T.Y. Hilton and Donte Moncrief. The Colts' bye week comes Week 11.
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Whelp he's not coming back this month.

 
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So by not putting him on PUP or IR, the Colts organization was obviously swindling the fanbase and trying to give this year some type of hope that it didn't really have, right? Keeping more casual fans interested? Its a downright irresponsible use of a roster spot, and it seems many turned on them for this much earlier than this news, but how pissed are Colts fans? 

 
The Frankman said:
Whelp he's not coming back this month.
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I'd like to find a positive angle on this -- if you go through surgery and start practicing at NFL speed again, you are going to get sore, possibly have a setback. Here (per Rapoport Tweet), GM Ballard claimed it's just soreness, he took a cortisone shot and the rest of the week off from practice.

But hard not to think that Luck isn't able to sustain an aggressive comeback schedule. And doubt is now creeping into my mind about whether he can return at all. 

Not sure how long to hold on to him. IMHO, at minimum, whatever timeframe you thought Luck was on is pushed back two weeks -- this week to ensure he gets back to where he was, another week to ensure no additional setback, then back on the timetable.

 
At this point, with how bad the Colts are, you have to be concerned that there is a very real chance the Colts decide to just shut him down for the year.

 
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ConnSKINS26 said:
So by not putting him on PUP or IR, the Colts organization was obviously swindling the fanbase and trying to give this year some type of hope that it didn't really have, right? Keeping more casual fans interested? Its a downright irresponsible use of a roster spot, and it seems many turned on them for this much earlier than this news, but how pissed are Colts fans? 
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Maybe I'm naive, but I have a hard time thinking this has all been an orchestrated ploy to ensure ticket sales through the year by holding out hope that Luck returns even though privately, they knew he wouldn't. Seems ill-advised given the near and longer term PR blowback -- just doesn't seem worthwhile. 

Then again, I'm not Irsay, who may indeed value the short term value of sales in hand than a lost season. 

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
So by not putting him on PUP or IR, the Colts organization was obviously swindling the fanbase and trying to give this year some type of hope that it didn't really have, right? Keeping more casual fans interested? Its a downright irresponsible use of a roster spot, and it seems many turned on them for this much earlier than this news, but how pissed are Colts fans? 
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Yeah pretty much this. They really seem to be a poorly run organization. It's probably not the worst front office in the NFL, but definitely bottom 5. 

 
TwinTurbo said:
Yeah pretty much this. They really seem to be a poorly run organization. It's probably not the worst front office in the NFL, but definitely bottom 5. 
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The Texans once gave David Carr a pretty rich extension.  :bag:

The difference between the two division rivals is that one of them has had the 1st overall pick at just the right time twice. Other than that, both are pretty poorly run but have been fortunate enough to play in the same division as the Jags and Titans.

 
Just dropped Luck for Davis in a redraft with IR slot. I have my doubts he plays again this year.

 
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ConnSKINS26 said:
So by not putting him on PUP or IR, the Colts organization was obviously swindling the fanbase and trying to give this year some type of hope that it didn't really have, right? Keeping more casual fans interested? Its a downright irresponsible use of a roster spot, and it seems many turned on them for this much earlier than this news, but how pissed are Colts fans? 
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While I'd normally be all about piling on this dumpster fire of a job they are doing running this franchise, there didn't really seem to be any kind of clarity in to how long it would take to heal.  It certainly seemed like something where they were hoping he'd be ready faster than he actually was, not some nefarious plot to undermine their own already poor team.

 
FF Ninja said:
The Texans once gave David Carr a pretty rich extension.  :bag:

The difference between the two division rivals is that one of them has had the 1st overall pick at just the right time twice. Other than that, both are pretty poorly run but have been fortunate enough to play in the same division as the Jags and Titans.
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Yes lucking out twice with Manning and Luck is about as good as it gets. Any team and any coach would have looked good with Manning. Even Caldwell made it to a Superbowl.

 
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