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Andrew Luck..... Love fest inside.... (1 Viewer)

Any chance this is one of those weird situations where he is way less healthy than they're (not) saying?  And his season is in doubt?  Not sure why they'd avoid the PUP if that was the case, but maybe they're deciding on another surgery or don't want the fans/public to go nuts if they announce that now?

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Is it crazy to draft Zeke and Luck both at a discount this year?  What a 2nd half of the year that would be.
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I did this is a low buy-in work league where I'm trying to threepeat.  Comfortable taking some risks because I can in-season manage circles around most of these guys.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Is it crazy to draft Zeke and Luck both at a discount this year?  What a 2nd half of the year that would be.
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This is what I did in my local 12tm Superflex league.  Starting requirements are 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 2FLX 1SFLX.

Drafted Zeke in the 2nd (RB6) and Luck in the 5th (QB19).  

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Is it crazy to draft Zeke and Luck both at a discount this year?  What a 2nd half of the year that would be.
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I tried to do it in one league. Zeke went for 15% - just outside my budget for him - while I did get Luck for 1% (he got nominated very late when everyone else either had 2-3 QBs or no money left). 

 
Colts acquired Jacoby Brissett from the Patriots in exchange for Phillip Dorsett.

Brissett lit up the Giants in the final preseason game, completing 28-of-39 passes for 341 yards and five total touchdowns. That was apparently enough to convince Indy he is a better option than Scott Tolzien, but there is almost no chance Brissett is ready to start Week 1. This move suggests the Colts think Andrew Luck could miss a significant chunk of the season.

Related: Patriots

Source: Field Yates on Twitter 

Sep 2 - 1:55 PM
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Ian Rapoport  @RapSheet

The #Colts have officially taken QB Andrew Luck off the PUP list, as they planned to do.

 
jerry jones said:
Why is "4 games most likely"

you some kinda expert on this?
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I don't think it's 4 games either. Probably 2 games now that passed the physical and has been taken off PUP. At this point, its about getting practice reps,timing, and back to game speed. And that's going to happen sooner than 4 weeks time. I think they keep him out against the Rams and Cards and he starts against the Browns in week 3. 

 
zoonation said:
 Zeke looks sweet right now.  

Luck looks to be an impending headache. Even if he comes back I have serious concerns (multiple).  No thanks.  
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Yeah but who don't you have concerns about in the 9th round or wherever Luck is dropping to now?

Seems to me like Luck is a much better bet to be a fantasy difference maker down the stretch than the Marvin Jones' and Jeremy Hill's (both of whom have ADP within a couple picks of him) of the world.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Yeah but who don't you have concerns about in the 9th round or wherever Luck is dropping to now?

Seems to me like Luck is a much better bet to be a fantasy difference maker down the stretch than the Marvin Jones' and Jeremy Hill's (both of whom have ADP within a couple picks of him) of the world.
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Would rather have both Hill or Jones there. No brainer for me.  

The questions re Luke right now are so massive.  I think there is something serious going on and that his season (career?) is being considered here in the rehab.  There has been no positive news.  In fact, the secrecy of all screams bigger concern than hiding pez candies. 

Indint think he can throw.  Even if he gets in there, how is he going to look? Behind a still crap oline.  I don't like what I see.   The Colts are going to brutal.  

Dont need any part of this headache; gimme Jones and his upside WR3/Flex potential all day here. 

 
In my 12 team Super-flex, PPR redraft yesterday Luck was drafted at 4.2 as the #16 QB off the board (E.Manning & C.Palmer were the only other QBs of note still on the board).

Seems like a good time to take a risk on him.

 
Colts GM Chris Ballard ruled out Andrew Luck (shoulder) for Week 1.

This is not a surprise, but it is concerning Luck continues to have no timeline for when he will return to practice, although Ballard said the team is just being extra cautious. Keeping him off the PUP means the Colts think he will be back before Week 7, but it looks like he could miss a few more games after the opener. Scott Tolzien will start with Luck sidelined.

Source: Mike Chappell on Twitter 

Sep 4 - 11:08 AM
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It seems bizarre to me that the Colts only had one veteran backup in training camp, then they traded for an unproven Jacoby Brissett just a few days before the season starts. Talk about being unprepared!

 
Just got him off waivers for a meager 5% of my FAAB budget in a 2 QB league. Hopefully, he'll be ready to go by week 4.

 
I think this isn't the worst news. As a Luck owner, let him heal up, knock of the rust and miss that week 4 game at Seattle. Want no part of exposing him to that D. Being him back Week Oct. 8 vs the Niners.

 
NREC34 said:
If they lose their first 3-4 I could see them just holding him out all year and taking a high pick. 
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Interesting....This is how they landed Luck in the 1st place....unless they are in the mix early I can see them holding him out and tanking...get a top pick...then fleece some poor team like the Jets that love to win meaningless games for a bounty for the top pick.  Without Luck this is a bad team.....

 
rawdog said:
I think this isn't the worst news. As a Luck owner, let him heal up, knock of the rust and miss that week 4 game at Seattle. Want no part of exposing him to that D. Being him back Week Oct. 8 vs the Niners.
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with that Seattle matchup i'd say there's a 0% chance he plays before week 5.

 
This report gives you insight as to the Colts thinking.  Keeping him on PUP would have disallowed practice which Luck obviously will require coming back.  

Week 5/6 return likely, but no waythey sit him for the season if healthy.  Go back to 2003 when Mike Vick broke his leg.  He played final 4 games despite Falcons being hopelessly out of it.

 
I'm not sure what kind of "strengthening"anyone can expect in 4 or 5 weeks. to be honest, cant really exepct to go from "npt strong enough to throw a football well/accurately" to "ready to go on the highest stage in footbal" in 4 weeks...

his surgery is done healing. was done a while ago. can't really say waiting a month is going to "strengthen" that. 

to be honest, I think something is seriously wrong and it wouldn't surprise me if he needed another surgery... if he's on the pup he can't practice and they can't make this assessment. since he can.practice and they are giving him time I'm betting they are trying to determine if he needs another surgery. 

just my professional opinion... something isn't right and this makes way too much sense. if he's out for the year with another surgery might as well give it a month to see if you can avoid it

 
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They would have put him on PUP if they had no hope for him this season. I think week 5 or 6 is reasonable for his return.

 
Saboo said:
They would have put him on PUP if they had no hope for him this season. I think week 5 or 6 is reasonable for his return.
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I'll try to explain a bit better I guess... 

if he was on the PUP he'd be unable to practice. by taking him off the PUP they can have him practice and see if he can work through any presumed sorenss, weakness, issue that has not allowed him to come back. if he's on the pup they have no idea if hes ready 

9 months is a long time after any shoulder surgery. to be honest he should have been throwing at least 3 months ago. if he can't work through his stuff they IR him and he has surgery. if he can, great, maybe he's back by week 5 or 6. I'm just sharing my opinion and take it for what it's worth. I was right last time this happened with Peyton manning and everyone gave me crap before he had another surgery. go look in the gronk thread and you'll see how much crap I got for predicting what I did. only been 1 game but I look more correct than not on that one. 

I'm sure I could be wrong and they're just being precautious... but it seems more likely, to me, something is wrong rather than everything is fine and they're being cautious for strength

 
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Dr. Dan said:
I'll try to explain a bit better I guess... 

if he was on the PUP he'd be unable to practice. by taking him off the PUP they can have him practice and see if he can work through any presumed sorenss, weakness, issue that has not allowed him to come back. 9 months is a long time after any shoulder surgery. to be honest he should have been throwing at least 3 months ago. if he can't work through his stuff they IR him and he has surgery. if he can, great, maybe he's back by week 5 or 6. I'm just sharing my opinion and take it for what it's worth. I was right last time this happened with Peyton manning and everyone gave me crap before he had another surgery. go look in the gronk thread and you'll see how much crap I got for predicting what I did. only been 1 game but I look more correct than not on that one. 

I'm sure I could be wrong and they're just being precautious... but it seems more likely, to me, something is wrong rather than everything is fine and they're being cautious for strength
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Take it easy Dr Dan. Wasn’t trying to offend...Thank you so much for your tremendous explanation. I shall note this and refer to it often when contemplating the future of Andrew Luck.

 
Saboo said:
Take it easy Dr Dan. Wasn’t trying to offend...Thank you so much for your tremendous explanation. I shall note this and refer to it often when contemplating the future of Andrew Luck.
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I think it's reasonable to expect him week 6 too. I'm just pointing out that there's smoke here and where there's smoke there's fire. something doesn't seem right at all... 

I hope I'm wrong and he's fine. I'm invested in Lucks health unfortunately with Hilton. 

if Tolzien can do well, as I think he will, I think they take their time. if he's terrible maybe they try to push him back. who knows. 

 
It is boarding on criminal the way the Colts front office neglected upgrading the oline in front of Luck. I see his absence due to injury as poetic justice for the front office incompetence. 

 
Dr. Dan said:
I think it's reasonable to expect him week 6 too. I'm just pointing out that there's smoke here and where there's smoke there's fire. something doesn't seem right at all... 

I hope I'm wrong and he's fine. I'm invested in Lucks health unfortunately with Hilton. 

if Tolzien can do well, as I think he will, I think they take their time. if he's terrible maybe they try to push him back. who knows. 
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I agree with you.  I think there is lots of smoke here.  I also invested heavily in the colts offense because we hold our draft in July.  I think it will be my downfall

 
Willingly opening the season with Scott Tolzein as your starting QB, knowing he will have to play "several weeks" means one of two things:

1) Either they are absolutely tanking this season.

2) They are the most incompetent franchise in the NFL.

Either way Lasciate Colts fans speranza, voi ch'intrate.

 
Chaka said:
Willingly opening the season with Scott Tolzein as your starting QB, knowing he will have to play "several weeks" means one of two things:

1) Either they are absolutely tanking this season.

2) They are the most incompetent franchise in the NFL.

Either way Lasciate Colts fans speranza, voi ch'intrate.
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I agree.  They would be a pretty good team with either Barkley or Kaepernick back there

 
killface said:
I agree.  They would be a pretty good team with either Barkley or Kaepernick back there
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I don't know aboot pretty good but they would be a damn sight better with almost any other QB.

Hell, they'd be better with Brett Favre's cup at QB.

 
Tool said:
No they wouldn't.
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Spare me. Going into the season with Scott Tolzein as your QB was quitting, plain and simple. The entire organization should be embarrassed by what happened today. Like Cersei walking through the streets level of "SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!"

And yes, absolutely a QB of even below average ability would have kept them in this game.  

One of the worst QB performances I have ever seen.

Pathetic.

 
At least the Jets had the balls to all but declare they are tanking long before the season began. The Colts lied up until the last minute.

 
Magic_Man said:
So what is Luck's value in dynasty now?
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He is still a top 5 qb, I think I would put him 2nd or 3rd. Behind Rodgers, for sure then it goes to your preference. When he is healthy the only guy that is a bigger difference maker at the QB position is Rodgers. He is right there with Brady and Brees and is a decade younger.

 
Chaka said:
Spare me. Going into the season with Scott Tolzein as your QB was quitting, plain and simple. The entire organization should be embarrassed by what happened today. Like Cersei walking through the streets level of "SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!"

And yes, absolutely a QB of even below average ability would have kept them in this game.  

One of the worst QB performances I have ever seen.

Pathetic.
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If they were quitting they would have put Luck on season long IR.

 
Chaka said:
Spare me. Going into the season with Scott Tolzein as your QB was quitting, plain and simple. The entire organization should be embarrassed by what happened today. Like Cersei walking through the streets level of "SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!"

And yes, absolutely a QB of even below average ability would have kept them in this game.  

One of the worst QB performances I have ever seen.

Pathetic.
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They wouldn't be "pretty good" with either of those guys. Hate to be the one to break it to you but the rest of their team just isn't good. 

 
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