Annonymous exposes Steubenville Rape Case (2 Viewers)

[Rayderr]

You claim to have been "fixing" The translation of Bob's statement, not making your own statement. I can buy that. But in what way were you fixing the translation of Bob's statement?

I don't think anyone believe women go to parties to have sex/get raped. But I'm willing to bet most of us believe that there are guys who go to parties hoping to find some chick that's drunk enough to have sex with. Hence "We all know what happens at these parties" = guys take advantage of girls who have had too much to drink.

 

[bigbottom]

You claim to have been "fixing" The translation of Bob's statement, not making your own statement. I can buy that. But in what way were you fixing the translation of Bob's statement?

I don't think anyone believe women go to parties to have sex/get raped. But I'm willing to bet most of us believe that there are guys who go to parties hoping to find some chick that's drunk enough to have sex with. Hence "We all know what happens at these parties" = guys take advantage of girls who have had too much to drink.

So that wasn't a statement you were attributing to Bob, since he said nothing of the sort. Again, like IK, I don't think your posts are worthy of all the outrage, but it seems a bit disingenuous now to try to pawn them off on Bob or Strummer.

 

[Otis]

It's a shame these kids now have a record because some girl is afraid to be called a slut in school. We all know what happens at these parties and she had to come up with an excuse once the pictures starting making the rounds.

What?

Translation: "If she didn't want to get violated, then she shouldn't have gone to the party. She knew the risks."

Again, what?

He's being sarcastic, dummies.

 

[Chaka]

It's a shame these kids now have a record because some girl is afraid to be called a slut in school. We all know what happens at these parties and she had to come up with an excuse once the pictures starting making the rounds.

What?

Translation: "If she didn't want to get violated, then she shouldn't have gone to the party. She knew the risks."

Again, what?

He's being sarcastic, dummies.

Germans?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

He's being sarcastic, dummies.

Glad someone is.

 

[johnnycakes]

It's a shame these kids now have a record because some girl is afraid to be called a slut in school. We all know what happens at these parties and she had to come up with an excuse once the pictures starting making the rounds.

What?

Translation: "If she didn't want to get violated, then she shouldn't have gone to the party. She knew the risks."

Again, what?

He's being sarcastic, dummies.

Tell him to use the next time. Personally, I thought it was with too stinky bait.

 

[Rayderr]

You claim to have been "fixing" The translation of Bob's statement, not making your own statement. I can buy that. But in what way were you fixing the translation of Bob's statement?

I don't think anyone believe women go to parties to have sex/get raped. But I'm willing to bet most of us believe that there are guys who go to parties hoping to find some chick that's drunk enough to have sex with. Hence "We all know what happens at these parties" = guys take advantage of girls who have had too much to drink.

So that wasn't a statement you were attributing to Bob, since he said nothing of the sort. Again, like IK, I don't think your posts are worthy of all the outrage, but it seems a bit disingenuous now to try to pawn them off on Bob or Strummer.

The "We all know what happens at these parties" was from Bob. And if you go back to my response to henry's statement, you'll see that I even stated then that I was not the one he should be targeting. But thank you for not thinking that people should protect themselves is worthy of the outrage.

 

[bigbottom]

Some of you people need to calm down a little and actually listen to what Rayderr is saying instead of responding to what you're imagining that he's saying. Sheesh. As a father of a middle-school girl, I'm definitely going to try to teach her to watch out for herself and not always rely on the kindness and good graces of others. That shouldn't be even remotely controversial.

My niece is 15, is a cheerleader, runs with the popular crowd at her very large high school, and is out drinking at high school parties many if not most weekends. Her parents say they can't stop her from drinking so they've resigned themselves to her partying ways. I sat down and had a conversation with her that if she drinks so much that she doesn't know what is going on, the chances that she is raped or sexually assaulted in some way goes up appreciably. Not sure whether I got through. I sure hope so because her parents have their heads in the sand.

 

[Henry Ford]

It's a shame these kids now have a record because some girl is afraid to be called a slut in school. We all know what happens at these parties and she had to come up with an excuse once the pictures starting making the rounds.

What?

Translation: "If she didn't want to get violated, then she shouldn't have gone to the party. She knew the risks."

Again, what?

He's being sarcastic, dummies.

That's good. It would be nice if the gentleman from Oakland were also being sarcastic.

 

[Ignoramus]

It's a shame these kids now have a record because some girl is afraid to be called a slut in school. We all know what happens at these parties and she had to come up with an excuse once the pictures starting making the rounds.

It's a shame these kids aren't going to a maximum security adult facility where they would be raped every day for 20 years.

I think I never will understand some dudes' fascination with another dude being raped.

 

[Henry Ford]

It's a shame these kids now have a record because some girl is afraid to be called a slut in school. We all know what happens at these parties and she had to come up with an excuse once the pictures starting making the rounds.

It's a shame these kids aren't going to a maximum security adult facility where they would be raped every day for 20 years.

I think I never will understand some dudes' fascination with another dude being raped.

Never?

 

[Otis]

The real screwup here was not the two animal kids but the parents of the two animal kids. You've generally got to be pretty bad at parenting to raise a young man who would do something like that to a teenage girl. I have no problem with these two being disciplined and taken off the streets and likely having their lives derailed. What they did was pretty horrible. But ultimately their parents failed them, and failed that poor girl.

 

[Henry Ford]

The real screwup here was not the two animal kids but the parents of the two animal kids. You've generally got to be pretty bad at parenting to raise a young man who would do something like that to a teenage girl. I have no problem with these two being disciplined and taken off the streets and likely having their lives derailed. What they did was pretty horrible. But ultimately their parents failed them, and failed that poor girl.

I totally get where you're comig from, ut I also know some really good parents who have some f'd up kids. Sometimes one or two amazing, change-the- world level good kids and one who turns out to be a complete scumbag. I think, as awful as it is, some kids get screwed up no matter how good the parent is.

 

[Tibetan Sherpa]

Some of you people need to calm down a little and actually listen to what Rayderr is saying instead of responding to what you're imagining that he's saying. Sheesh. As a father of a middle-school girl, I'm definitely going to try to teach her to watch out for herself and not always rely on the kindness and good graces of others. That shouldn't be even remotely controversial.

My niece is 15, is a cheerleader, runs with the popular crowd at her very large high school, and is out drinking at high school parties many if not most weekends. Her parents say they can't stop her from drinking so they've resigned themselves to her partying ways. I sat down and had a conversation with her that if she drinks so much that she doesn't know what is going on, the chances that she is raped or sexually assaulted in some way goes up appreciably. Not sure whether I got through. I sure hope so because her parents have their heads in the sand.

Does your niece live with her parents? If so, how does she get to these parties?

 

[bigbottom]

She has friends who drive.

 

[Otis]

I thought this was great.

http://gawker.com/5991003/cnn-reports-on-the-promising-future-of-the-steubenville-rapists-who-are-very-good-students

 

[HellToupee]

Some of you people need to calm down a little and actually listen to what Rayderr is saying instead of responding to what you're imagining that he's saying. Sheesh. As a father of a middle-school girl, I'm definitely going to try to teach her to watch out for herself and not always rely on the kindness and good graces of others. That shouldn't be even remotely controversial.

My niece is 15, is a cheerleader, runs with the popular crowd at her very large high school, and is out drinking at high school parties many if not most weekends. Her parents say they can't stop her from drinking so they've resigned themselves to her partying ways. I sat down and had a conversation with her that if she drinks so much that she doesn't know what is going on, the chances that she is raped or sexually assaulted in some way goes up appreciably. Not sure whether I got through. I sure hope so because her parents have their heads in the sand.

With all due respect your neice has lousy parents.

 

[Godsbrother]

The real screwup here was not the two animal kids but the parents of the two animal kids. You've generally got to be pretty bad at parenting to raise a young man who would do something like that to a teenage girl. I have no problem with these two being disciplined and taken off the streets and likely having their lives derailed. What they did was pretty horrible. But ultimately their parents failed them, and failed that poor girl.

Probably but not necessarily. Not every criminal had bad parents.

 

[NCCommish]

BTW for everyone blaming the girl. The suspicion is that she may have been drugged. Can't prove it as the drugs clear the system to quickly. Now carry on with the veiled blame game.

 

[NCCommish]

Candy Crowley has got to be kidding. Going on and on about the poor boys and their ruined lives without so much as a mention of the girl after the verdicts. Yeah those poor rapists. Someone should get fired.

 

[Keerock]

Candy Crowley has got to be kidding. Going on and on about the poor boys and their ruined lives without so much as a mention of the girl after the verdicts. Yeah those poor rapists. Someone should get fired.

Obama?

 

[bigbottom]

Candy Crowley has got to be kidding. Going on and on about the poor boys and their ruined lives without so much as a mention of the girl after the verdicts. Yeah those poor rapists. Someone should get fired.

Sacramento Bob?

 

[Henry Ford]

Candy Crowley has got to be kidding. Going on and on about the poor boys and their ruined lives without so much as a mention of the girl after the verdicts. Yeah those poor rapists. Someone should get fired.

Sacramento Bob?

I'm guessing he was watching the coverage when the verdict came down. After reading the article Otis posted, had I also been watching CNN at the time, his sarcasm would have been funny.

 

[NCCommish]

Candy Crowley has got to be kidding. Going on and on about the poor boys and their ruined lives without so much as a mention of the girl after the verdicts. Yeah those poor rapists. Someone should get fired.

Obama?

Sure that leaves Joe in charge. Hilarity ensues. I'm in.

 

[NCCommish]

Candy Crowley has got to be kidding. Going on and on about the poor boys and their ruined lives without so much as a mention of the girl after the verdicts. Yeah those poor rapists. Someone should get fired.

Sacramento Bob?

Can he be fired?

 

[bigbottom]

Candy Crowley has got to be kidding. Going on and on about the poor boys and their ruined lives without so much as a mention of the girl after the verdicts. Yeah those poor rapists. Someone should get fired.

Sacramento Bob?

Can he be fired?

Pretty sure now that he's Candy in disguise. And that's one big disguise.

 

[Guest]

She has friends who drive.

Is it not cool to ground a kid from going out anymore?

 

[Smack Tripper]

Were the boys drunk?

Would this have mattered if so?

And I say this having not really followed this case, but I hear about a "drunken crazy party" and a plainly drunken girl, but were these boys lit up too?

 

[NCCommish]

Candy Crowley has got to be kidding. Going on and on about the poor boys and their ruined lives without so much as a mention of the girl after the verdicts. Yeah those poor rapists. Someone should get fired.

Sacramento Bob?

Can he be fired?

Pretty sure now that he's Candy in disguise. And that's one big disguise.

True

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Were the boys drunk?Would this have mattered if so?And I say this having not really followed this case, but I hear about a "drunken crazy party" and a plainly drunken girl, but were these boys lit up too?

I've been drunk lots of times. Even at my drunkest, I'm aware that raping somebody is wrong. Being drunk isn't an excuse.

 

[Keerock]

Were the boys drunk?

Would this have mattered if so?

And I say this having not really followed this case, but I hear about a "drunken crazy party" and a plainly drunken girl, but were these boys lit up too?

I've been drunk lots of times. Even at my drunkest, I'm aware that raping somebody is wrong. Being drunk isn't an excuse.

Yet you did it anyway.

 

[McGarnicle]

Were the boys drunk?Would this have mattered if so?And I say this having not really followed this case, but I hear about a "drunken crazy party" and a plainly drunken girl, but were these boys lit up too?

I've been drunk lots of times. Even at my drunkest, I'm aware that raping somebody is wrong. Being drunk isn't an excuse.

Yeah, I recall lots of high school parties where beer was flowing and there were hot girls. It's hard for me to imagine a scenario amongst the kids I knew where a group of boys would be carrying around an unconscious girl from party to party to be raped, while others took pictures and laughed about it, and NOT ONE person stepped in to try to put a stop to it. I don't understand it in a way -- is everyone in the school a frigging sociopath?

 

[Smack Tripper]

Were the boys drunk?Would this have mattered if so?And I say this having not really followed this case, but I hear about a "drunken crazy party" and a plainly drunken girl, but were these boys lit up too?

I've been drunk lots of times. Even at my drunkest, I'm aware that raping somebody is wrong. Being drunk isn't an excuse.

True confession, I've never been drunk or done a drug in my life. I truly can't relate to this, thankfully, in anyway. But that being said...Why is the girls drunken state so relevant to this state of affairs whereas the boys potential drunken status would not be?Not absolving, just outside and independent. Why does it matter if the girl was drunk if it doesn't matter if the boys were drunk? It would seem a universal byproduct of intoxication is impaired judgement. And this is in no way absolving the boys, I'm just wondering to what degree, we can assign any responsibility to the girl as a hypothetical.

 

[NCCommish]

Were the boys drunk?Would this have mattered if so?And I say this having not really followed this case, but I hear about a "drunken crazy party" and a plainly drunken girl, but were these boys lit up too?

I've been drunk lots of times. Even at my drunkest, I'm aware that raping somebody is wrong. Being drunk isn't an excuse.

Yeah, I recall lots of high school parties where beer was flowing and there were hot girls. It's hard for me to imagine a scenario amongst the kids I knew where a group of boys would be carrying around an unconscious girl from party to party to be raped, while others took pictures and laughed about it, and NOT ONE person stepped in to try to put a stop to it. I don't understand it in a way -- is everyone in the school a frigging sociopath?

Lots of experimental work out there on how people act when in a crowd.

 

[simey]

Why is the girls drunken state so relevant to this state of affairs whereas the boys potential drunken status would not be?

The girl was incapacitated.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Were the boys drunk?Would this have mattered if so?And I say this having not really followed this case, but I hear about a "drunken crazy party" and a plainly drunken girl, but were these boys lit up too?

I've been drunk lots of times. Even at my drunkest, I'm aware that raping somebody is wrong. Being drunk isn't an excuse.

True confession, I've never been drunk or done a drug in my life. I truly can't relate to this, thankfully, in anyway. But that being said...Why is the girls drunken state so relevant to this state of affairs whereas the boys potential drunken status would not be?Not absolving, just outside and independent. Why does it matter if the girl was drunk if it doesn't matter if the boys were drunk? It would seem a universal byproduct of intoxication is impaired judgement. And this is in no way absolving the boys, I'm just wondering to what degree, we can assign any responsibility to the girl as a hypothetical.

You may need to step away from that super magnet. Your moral compass seems to have lost true north here.

 

[NCCommish]

Were the boys drunk?

Would this have mattered if so?

And I say this having not really followed this case, but I hear about a "drunken crazy party" and a plainly drunken girl, but were these boys lit up too?

I've been drunk lots of times. Even at my drunkest, I'm aware that raping somebody is wrong. Being drunk isn't an excuse.

True confession, I've never been drunk or done a drug in my life. I truly can't relate to this, thankfully, in anyway.

But that being said...

Why is the girls drunken state so relevant to this state of affairs whereas the boys potential drunken status would not be?

Not absolving, just outside and independent. Why does it matter if the girl was drunk if it doesn't matter if the boys were drunk? It would seem a universal byproduct of intoxication is impaired judgement.

And this is in no way absolving the boys, I'm just wondering to what degree, we can assign any responsibility to the girl as a hypothetical.

How about none? It doesn't matter how much she drank, it doesn't matter what she wore. What matters is that these "people" carried her from party to party and raped her repeatedly.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Were the boys drunk?

Would this have mattered if so?

And I say this having not really followed this case, but I hear about a "drunken crazy party" and a plainly drunken girl, but were these boys lit up too?

I've been drunk lots of times. Even at my drunkest, I'm aware that raping somebody is wrong. Being drunk isn't an excuse.

True confession, I've never been drunk or done a drug in my life. I truly can't relate to this, thankfully, in anyway.

But that being said...

Why is the girls drunken state so relevant to this state of affairs whereas the boys potential drunken status would not be?

Not absolving, just outside and independent. Why does it matter if the girl was drunk if it doesn't matter if the boys were drunk? It would seem a universal byproduct of intoxication is impaired judgement.

And this is in no way absolving the boys, I'm just wondering to what degree, we can assign any responsibility to the girl as a hypothetical.

Because if she's passed out drunk, it's not possible for her to consent to sex. Having sex with an unconscious is rape, basically by definition.In other words, it's relevant because there's no possibility here of the boys claiming that she consented and the girl denying it (he said -- she said). The fact that she was passed out makes it clear-cut.

 

[Henry Ford]

Were the boys drunk?Would this have mattered if so?And I say this having not really followed this case, but I hear about a "drunken crazy party" and a plainly drunken girl, but were these boys lit up too?

I've been drunk lots of times. Even at my drunkest, I'm aware that raping somebody is wrong. Being drunk isn't an excuse.

True confession, I've never been drunk or done a drug in my life. I truly can't relate to this, thankfully, in anyway. But that being said...Why is the girls drunken state so relevant to this state of affairs whereas the boys potential drunken status would not be?Not absolving, just outside and independent. Why does it matter if the girl was drunk if it doesn't matter if the boys were drunk? It would seem a universal byproduct of intoxication is impaired judgement. And this is in no way absolving the boys, I'm just wondering to what degree, we can assign any responsibility to the girl as a hypothetical.

Incidentally, for those wondering why everyone gets upset about veiled victim blame, it's because this is the next logical step. And somebody always takes it.

 

[Godsbrother]

Candy Crowley has got to be kidding. Going on and on about the poor boys and their ruined lives without so much as a mention of the girl after the verdicts. Yeah those poor rapists. Someone should get fired.

Definitely surprised by this as well.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Were the boys drunk?Would this have mattered if so?And I say this having not really followed this case, but I hear about a "drunken crazy party" and a plainly drunken girl, but were these boys lit up too?

I've been drunk lots of times. Even at my drunkest, I'm aware that raping somebody is wrong. Being drunk isn't an excuse.

True confession, I've never been drunk or done a drug in my life. I truly can't relate to this, thankfully, in anyway. But that being said...Why is the girls drunken state so relevant to this state of affairs whereas the boys potential drunken status would not be?Not absolving, just outside and independent. Why does it matter if the girl was drunk if it doesn't matter if the boys were drunk? It would seem a universal byproduct of intoxication is impaired judgement. And this is in no way absolving the boys, I'm just wondering to what degree, we can assign any responsibility to the girl as a hypothetical.

You may need to step away from that super magnet. Your moral compass seems to have lost true north here.

Hypothetically speaking, do you feel there is absolutely no delineation between being blotto drunk and being raped as opposed to being sober and being accosted. Maybe my moral compass is off, I think its "worse", relative to a concept, to be sober. Not to say I don't have sympathy for this girl, nor do I think it absolves the creeps who did this. But I think an equivalency with the brutality of a consciously realized rape is a false one. I do.

 

[B-Deep]

You'd think he would have given up by now....

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Candy Crowley has got to be kidding. Going on and on about the poor boys and their ruined lives without so much as a mention of the girl after the verdicts. Yeah those poor rapists. Someone should get fired.

Definitely surprised by this as well.

I think people are also being too hard on Crowley. At least for me personally, I have no problem agreeing with the verdict/sentence and also feeling sick for the perpetrators. These two kids (and they are kids) made some decisions that they're going to regret for the rest of their lives and that can never be undone. I don't see why it takes all that much imagination to feel some sympathy for them even if you completely support the outcome of the criminal justice system in this case.

 

[Henry Ford]

Were the boys drunk?Would this have mattered if so?And I say this having not really followed this case, but I hear about a "drunken crazy party" and a plainly drunken girl, but were these boys lit up too?

I've been drunk lots of times. Even at my drunkest, I'm aware that raping somebody is wrong. Being drunk isn't an excuse.

True confession, I've never been drunk or done a drug in my life. I truly can't relate to this, thankfully, in anyway. But that being said...Why is the girls drunken state so relevant to this state of affairs whereas the boys potential drunken status would not be?Not absolving, just outside and independent. Why does it matter if the girl was drunk if it doesn't matter if the boys were drunk? It would seem a universal byproduct of intoxication is impaired judgement. And this is in no way absolving the boys, I'm just wondering to what degree, we can assign any responsibility to the girl as a hypothetical.

You may need to step away from that super magnet. Your moral compass seems to have lost true north here.

Hypothetically speaking, do you feel there is absolutely no delineation between being blotto drunk and being raped as opposed to being sober and being accosted. Maybe my moral compass is off, I think its "worse", relative to a concept, to be sober. Not to say I don't have sympathy for this girl, nor do I think it absolves the creeps who did this. But I think an equivalency with the brutality of a consciously realized rape is a false one. I do.

Have we stopped trying to say they aren't responsible and moved on to "she wasn't hurt as badly as you think" now? Are you a defense attorney by any chance?

 

[Henry Ford]

Candy Crowley has got to be kidding. Going on and on about the poor boys and their ruined lives without so much as a mention of the girl after the verdicts. Yeah those poor rapists. Someone should get fired.

Definitely surprised by this as well.

I think people are also being too hard on Crowley. At least for me personally, I have no problem agreeing with the verdict/sentence and also feeling sick for the perpetrators. These two kids (and they are kids) made some decisions that they're going to regret for the rest of their lives and that can never be undone. I don't see why it takes all that much imagination to feel some sympathy for them even if you completely support the outcome of the criminal justice system in this case.

I agree to some extent, but the decision we are talking about is so heinous that I think it's inappropriate to focus on that during the moment where this girl gets the tiny piece of justcie she can get out of this situation.

 

[kentric]

I'm not sure of the laws in the area this happened, but where I live, its against the law for alcohol to be served to underaged children on your premises. One way of stopping something like this happening is to come down hard on the people whose homes this occured in. It may be a bit harsh on the individuals whose homes this occured at (if they weren't home and were unaware of this happening, that should definately impact the penalty), but by coming down hard, it would definately have an impact on future instances of drunken, underage rape happening.

 

[NCCommish]

Candy Crowley has got to be kidding. Going on and on about the poor boys and their ruined lives without so much as a mention of the girl after the verdicts. Yeah those poor rapists. Someone should get fired.

Definitely surprised by this as well.

I think people are also being too hard on Crowley. At least for me personally, I have no problem agreeing with the verdict/sentence and also feeling sick for the perpetrators. These two kids (and they are kids) made some decisions that they're going to regret for the rest of their lives and that can never be undone. I don't see why it takes all that much imagination to feel some sympathy for them even if you completely support the outcome of the criminal justice system in this case.

Yeah if she had done that fine. But she went on and on about how THEIR lives were ruined and how they were such great kids who had this great future and now it was all gone. Not one mention of the girl they raped on video and how her life is a whole lot worse now as well. Sorry I have zero sympathy for these kids. None. They were proud of what they did. They thought it was funny. Now they get to really enjoy it. They should have been tried as adults and they should be doing adult jail time.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Were the boys drunk?

Would this have mattered if so?

And I say this having not really followed this case, but I hear about a "drunken crazy party" and a plainly drunken girl, but were these boys lit up too?

I've been drunk lots of times. Even at my drunkest, I'm aware that raping somebody is wrong. Being drunk isn't an excuse.

True confession, I've never been drunk or done a drug in my life. I truly can't relate to this, thankfully, in anyway.

But that being said...

Why is the girls drunken state so relevant to this state of affairs whereas the boys potential drunken status would not be?

Not absolving, just outside and independent. Why does it matter if the girl was drunk if it doesn't matter if the boys were drunk? It would seem a universal byproduct of intoxication is impaired judgement.

And this is in no way absolving the boys, I'm just wondering to what degree, we can assign any responsibility to the girl as a hypothetical.

Because if she's passed out drunk, it's not possible for her to consent to sex. Having sex with an unconscious is rape, basically by definition.In other words, it's relevant because there's no possibility here of the boys claiming that she consented and the girl denying it (he said -- she said). The fact that she was passed out makes it clear-cut.

Agreed on all counts. But, we have degrees of incidence, apparently, in this country. Not that I agree with them at all times in all places, but we simply have them. How we can have "vehicular manslaughter" in a DUI case as opposed to say third degree murder astounds me. And this is conceivably a delineation we make of adults if they are of driving age, in most cases, not minors who we have decided as a society need to be specially delineated as being not of a full spectrum of judgement, but at the same time not entirely absent responsibility.

But again, AS A SOCIETY, based on these laws, there are cirucmstances where we say due to impairment, a wrongful death may not be murder, it may be the accidental consequence/happenstance of intoxication. I'm wondering where/if this line extends elsewhere. And once again, I'm not even necessarily saying it SHOULD, but wondering more in the vein of if.

And this is not directed at you IK, but as a general construct, this case has generated a lot of attention. Which always makes me wonder how justice might skew without this focus and prism of attention. But when I see people saying they want to see these boys raped for 20 years, based on being 16 years old and making a terrible decision, I'm left to wonder if same mindset doesn't exist here in some perverse converse of the way this entire peer group conducted themselves after the party. It all wreaks of jackalism and is the ugliest mankind has to offer.

I guess I'm wondering what is justice and what is balance in this life. And for the record, I've been on the record in here, if you are bored enough to look through my previous posts, of arguing rape and molestation is WORSE than murder as the violation is a permanent one.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Were the boys drunk?Would this have mattered if so?And I say this having not really followed this case, but I hear about a "drunken crazy party" and a plainly drunken girl, but were these boys lit up too?

I've been drunk lots of times. Even at my drunkest, I'm aware that raping somebody is wrong. Being drunk isn't an excuse.

True confession, I've never been drunk or done a drug in my life. I truly can't relate to this, thankfully, in anyway. But that being said...Why is the girls drunken state so relevant to this state of affairs whereas the boys potential drunken status would not be?Not absolving, just outside and independent. Why does it matter if the girl was drunk if it doesn't matter if the boys were drunk? It would seem a universal byproduct of intoxication is impaired judgement. And this is in no way absolving the boys, I'm just wondering to what degree, we can assign any responsibility to the girl as a hypothetical.

You may need to step away from that super magnet. Your moral compass seems to have lost true north here.

Hypothetically speaking, do you feel there is absolutely no delineation between being blotto drunk and being raped as opposed to being sober and being accosted. Maybe my moral compass is off, I think its "worse", relative to a concept, to be sober. Not to say I don't have sympathy for this girl, nor do I think it absolves the creeps who did this. But I think an equivalency with the brutality of a consciously realized rape is a false one. I do.

Have we stopped trying to say they aren't responsible and moved on to "she wasn't hurt as badly as you think" now? Are you a defense attorney by any chance?

No, I'm not, and no one is absolving them. But are these now allowable questions to consider? This case is tried and done. What can be learned from this experience.

 

[Godsbrother]

Candy Crowley has got to be kidding. Going on and on about the poor boys and their ruined lives without so much as a mention of the girl after the verdicts. Yeah those poor rapists. Someone should get fired.

Definitely surprised by this as well.

I think people are also being too hard on Crowley. At least for me personally, I have no problem agreeing with the verdict/sentence and also feeling sick for the perpetrators. These two kids (and they are kids) made some decisions that they're going to regret for the rest of their lives and that can never be undone. I don't see why it takes all that much imagination to feel some sympathy for them even if you completely support the outcome of the criminal justice system in this case.

Yeah if she had done that fine. But she went on and on about how THEIR lives were ruined and how they were such great kids who had this great future and now it was all gone. Not one mention of the girl they raped on video and how her life is a whole lot worse now as well. Sorry I have zero sympathy for these kids. None. They were proud of what they did. They thought it was funny. Now they get to really enjoy it. They should have been tried as adults and they should be doing adult jail time.

This isn't the case of making bad decisions. These punks carried an unconscious girl from party to party, raped her, took pictures, sent texts bragging about it, joke about and pissed on her naked body. They were absolutely brutal and I cannot feel any sympathy for them at all.If this had been my daughter I would probably be sitting in jail for trying to kill one or both of these "kids".